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Subject: PINE uses 99.5% CPU and/or coredumps.
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A user just sent me a 402 message PINE folder which causes PINE
to core when sorting by thread.  Enter each folder one at a time
then hit $H to sort by thread and with pinecrash-core she cores,
with pinecrash-99-cpu she sits infinitely looping.

I ran gdb on the corefile and I get:

#0  0x8167f96 in ?? ()
#1  0x8168009 in ?? ()
#2  0x8167fca in ?? ()
#3  0x8168009 in ?? ()
#4  0x8167fca in ?? ()
#5  0x8168009 in ?? ()
#6  0x8167fca in ?? ()
#7  0x8168009 in ?? ()
#8  0x8167fca in ?? ()
#9  0x8168009 in ?? ()
#10 0x8167fca in ?? ()

ad infinitum.  I'm going to rebuild pine without stripping
symbols and see if I can track it down.  If this is something
that has been fixed already, or something someone has a patch
for, please send me a patch.  I'll post one if I get to it first.




-- 
Mike A. Harris                  Shipping/mailing address:
OS Systems Engineer             190 Pittsburgh Ave., Sault Ste. Marie,
Red Hat Inc.                    Ontario, Canada, P6C 5B3
http://www.redhat.com           Phone: (705)949-2136


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After trying to search the archives this morning for
about a 1/2 hour on every term imaginable (with NO results)
I finally read the top of the screen and saw they re-index
on the 1st or 2nd!

I have installed pine v4.10 from a pre-compiled binary for
AIX 4.1.5.  (I would install a newer version from source, but
I have no C compiler on this machine).

Everything works fine, except I have the following problem.

The AIX box was purchased as a package with our accounting
and distribution software.  Not only did they only supply
the bare necessities (i.e. no compiler, no man pages, etc.)
They also run ALL users with "superuser" previlages.  They
say it's so that users can do "direct print" to our line
printers(??), but it's causing me major problems with pine.

The problem I have is that any outbound mail appears to
originate as "root", regardless of how the user logs in.
AND when they check mail, all users see the "root" mailbox.

Is there a way to tell Pine to set the user from the pinerc
rather than from the "real" user name?

FYI: If I log in as "bill" and do a "Whoami", it returns
"root", however, a "Who am i" returns "bill".  Is there
an environment variable I could set before launching
pine and return it to "root" upon exiting pine?

TIA

Bill

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Hello,

  This is a suggestion for the Pine team, but I would like to know what
everyone else thinks, so I'm sending it here.

  I have just forwarded a message, and the signature was put at the top,
while my forwarded message at the bottom, regardless of the fact that I
have "signature at bottom" enabled (yes, I know that this is not respected
when forwarding, but keep reading).

  Now, here's the problem. If the person that I forwarded the message to
has  [X]  strip-from-sigdashes-on-reply, then that person will not be
able to quote the forwarded message, because it will be stripped. I have 3
suggestions in order to solve this problem:

 - To make the "strip-from-sigdashes" configuration option, really a
   "strip-paragraph-with-sigdashes" option only.

 - To not to strip from sigdashes for forwarded messages, assuming that
   you can reliably recognize one.

 - Put the signature at the bottom and before the signature add a string
   that says something like "--- End of forwarded message".

  Any comments?

-- 
Eduardo
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*** Eduardo Chappa wrote on 2001-04-02, at 11:57 -0700:

>  - To make the "strip-from-sigdashes" configuration option, really a
>    "strip-paragraph-with-sigdashes" option only.

I think that this might be rather undesirable (for replying).  On some
mailing lists there are a few lines of text (without sigdashes) appended
to every mail, which appear in a paragraph after the signature (if
present).  The signature will be stripped off, but the appended text will
still need to be deleted manually.  Moreover, although RFC1855 suggests
that the signature be short, it's not uncommon to come across real huge
sigs that have blank lines (i.e. more than one paragraph).

>  - To not to strip from sigdashes for forwarded messages, assuming that
>    you can reliably recognize one.

This would definitely be very useful, maybe one additional prompt
(slightly annoying, though)

   strip-from-sigdashes[*]   [Y]es  No

would do the trick.

[*]  The default would be set according to configuration options.

-- 
Mohit


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Eduardo Chappa, at 11:57 -0700 on Mon, 2 Apr 2001, wrote:

      I have just forwarded a message, and the signature was put at the top,
    while my forwarded message at the bottom, regardless of the fact that I
    have "signature at bottom" enabled (yes, I know that this is not respected
    when forwarding, but keep reading).

Perhaps we should fix the problem, not try to alleviate a symptom?
Forwards should have the sig at the bottom (or no sig at all, possibly).

     - To make the "strip-from-sigdashes" configuration option, really a
       "strip-paragraph-with-sigdashes" option only.

Eh, I've seen a lot more than paragraphs in some sigs.  The concept of a
paragrph may not be well-defined, either.  Ah, what I wouldn't give for
email to have semantic markup...

     - To not to strip from sigdashes for forwarded messages, assuming that
       you can reliably recognize one.

Can we say fraught with potential error?  There is no standard.... Once
again, semantics...(or MIME).

     - Put the signature at the bottom and before the signature add a string
       that says something like "--- End of forwarded message".

This is probably the best option.

-- 
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I'm running Pine 4.30 (RedHat RPM update, probably).

If someone forwards me a message, sometimes it arrives as an attachment
e.g. mime type  Message/RFC822

If I need to look at the headers, the configured show-header key doesn't
work inside view-attachment. If I go look a the inbox directly, I can
see them.

Is this a bug/feature/user trouble ?
If it isn't implemented could someone please consider it ?
I need this feature in order to respond to spam and virus questions.

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>EEEKKKK!  I've heard some stupid excuses in my time, but this one
>just might take top prize.  Setting up printers in AIX doesn't
>require a PhD.  Have you suggested to your vendor that they
>consider brain surgery?  :-)

  Actually I'd be happy if they would simply GET a brain! :)

  Yes, I finally found enough info on the u.washington.edu web
  site to get this working.  The trick is in editing the .pinerc
  (or pine.conf for all users) "feature-list" option and add
  "allow-changing-from".  This is what actually makes the addition
  of the "From:" header work.  I had added the From: header within the
  Settings:Configure:customized-hdrs, but it never would use
  it - until I found the "allow-changing-from" option in the .pinerc

  Everything seems to work as expected.  Reply-To: is correct, From:
  is correct and mail bounces to the correct sender if sent to an
  invalid address.  The only other "minimal" problem I still have is
  the X-Sender: still shows <root@mwdental.com>.  For right now, I'm
  just going to live with it.  I'll research how to remove the X-Sender
  header later...

>If you do find that pine uses ~bill/.pinerc under AIX,
>you might also try setting "inbox-path" in ~bill/.pinerc.

  Yes sir!  Although the docs say the "default" IS to use
  /usr/spool/mail/$USER, it always picks up "root" when
  the pine.conf file had _nothing_ listed for "inbox-path".
  I set it specifically to inbox-path=/usr/spool/mail/$USER
  and everybody checks the correct inbox!!!

  Well, I'm finally there... Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions.

Bill


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I still can't reproduce this at will, but yesterday I saw another case of
saving a message from one mailbox to another causing it to be messed up.

I was saving from my suspected_spam mailbox to my INBOX (I had forgotten a
few addresses to add to my filters)..

After saving, in the message list it shows up as:
    2056 Mar 26 Lee Whiteside      (55,177) [sftvschd] SFTV: Upcoming Episode Sc

But a *properly saved* one is:

    2057 Mar 26 Lee Whiteside      (53,051) [sftvschd] SFTV: Upcoming Episode Sc

Note that it's BIGGER than it's supposed to be.


Also, trying to look at the messed up message shows:


Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:23:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Lee Whiteside <leew@goodnet.com>
To: sftvschd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sftvschd] SFTV: Upcoming Episode Schedules & News (March 26, 2001)

    [ The following text is in the "X-UNKNOWN" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "ISO-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]


   [Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]


That's *all* it shows.  There's no way to see any more of the supposedly 55177
byte message.. (it says it's at the end if I try to page down.)

This is pine 4.33, on
% uname -a
SunOS vax 5.6 sun4u sparc

I realize this probably isn't of much use but hopefully it will ring some
bells somewhere.   I guess for now when I save a message to another mailbox
I always have to check before expunging the original.


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On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> A user just sent me a 402 message PINE folder which causes PINE
> to core when sorting by thread.

I may have fixed this bug.  If it's the bug that I'm thinking about, it is
caused by a message that is its own grandparent.  The code is supposed to
check for such circularities but it didn't handle one particular case
properly.

Try rebuilding Pine 4.33 with the latest beta snapshot of imap-2001, on:
	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z

Just delete the current pine4.33/imap thenrename imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-.....
to pine4.33/imap and then rebuild Pine (making sure that all of c-client
is rebuilt).

	"I'm my own grandpa,
	 I'm my own grandpa;
	 It sounds funny I know,
	 But it really is so;
	 I'm my own grandpa..."
			-- Mr. Whitekeys & the Fabulous SPAMtones

-- Mark --

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On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Mark Crispin wrote:

>> A user just sent me a 402 message PINE folder which causes PINE
>> to core when sorting by thread.
>
>I may have fixed this bug.  If it's the bug that I'm thinking about, it is
>caused by a message that is its own grandparent.  The code is supposed to
>check for such circularities but it didn't handle one particular case
>properly.
>
>Try rebuilding Pine 4.33 with the latest beta snapshot of imap-2001, on:
>	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap.tar.Z
>
>Just delete the current pine4.33/imap thenrename imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-.....
>to pine4.33/imap and then rebuild Pine (making sure that all of c-client
>is rebuilt).


Thanks for the quick reply Mark.  I'll try your suggestion, and
let you know if it works after doing some QA on it.

Take care,
TTYL



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Hi,

   When my inbox contains only one message and I try to save it to another
folder, pine crashes and following lines are printed.

"Bad msgno 0 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 1".
Pine Exiting.
Abort

Then when I start pine again, I find that the message has been copied while it
still remains as new on my inbox. i have added the options of deleting the mail
if it is saved.


I am using a precompiled binary of 4.33 for Sun Solaris 8.0

SunOS everest 5.8 Generic_108528-01 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10

Is this a bug?

TIA
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*** Arun Prabhakaran (arunp@alsc.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I am using a precompiled binary of 4.33 for Sun Solaris 8.0

Where did you get this version from. If it's not from the UW site, I think
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Hi all,
	With the switch to Daylight Savings Time (DST), it appears that
our PC-Pine 4.21 clients do not understand the switch.  They understood
the switch last year, but not this year.  PC-Pine 4.3x does understand DST
just fine.  We did upgrade to the latest imapd when PC-Pine 4.33 came out,
but that's the only change in our systems in the last year.

Here's a date stamp from a PC-Pine 4.33 client, sent at 12:20 pm:

Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:20:42 -0700 (PDT)

Here's a date stamp from a PC-Pine 4.21 client, sent at 12:18 pm:

Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:18:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)


Can anyone else replicate this?  Is this a PC-Pine 4.21 bug in general, or
just with the new imapd?

I'll submit a bug report soon, but first wanted to see if anyone has seen
this.

Robert


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Hello to all,

I have a question that I'd like you to help me:

- - I have a FreeBSD console at home with no FQDN or a fixed IP number, so =
I
gived a bogus name to my console: gateway.bogus
- - My real server is pt-quorum.com

My question is:

Can I use my console to send email or should I use my SMTP server? I don't
know if this is relevant to the authentication of email.

Thanks very much,

- --
Nuno Teixeira
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http://www.pt-quorum.com/pgp/nunoteixeira.asc

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Well, I downloaded it from the UW ftp site.

I am using the "mbox" file. So all the mails form the mail server are downloaded
into the mbox file in my home. Now, until last week, I used to keep all read
messages in the mbox. But after that I made a filter so that all messages which
are NOT NEW will be moved to another folder. This filter is apart from the
filters that I have for mailing lists. It was after I made this filter that it
began to crash every time I saved a message to another folder.

But now, it seems that even if there are more than one messge, pine crashes
producing the same error as described in my previous mail.

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Arun



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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> *** Arun Prabhakaran (arunp@alsc.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
> :) I am using a precompiled binary of 4.33 for Sun Solaris 8.0
>
> Where did you get this version from. If it's not from the UW site, I think
> you'll have to contact your vendor, who must have probably modified the
> source code, and inducing that bug.
>
>

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From: Andreas Fehr <andreas@mrs.ch>
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Subject: Error compiling pine 4.33 on Linux
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Hi

I did browse the pine-info archive but did not find anything similar to
that. So this might be a problem with my compiler.

I tried to compile pine4.33 with 'build sl5' (I tried all alternatives
for Linux, always the same result). I get the following error:


<snip>

`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` smanager.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` `cat OSCFLAGS` -c osdep.c
In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/asn1.h:62,
                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/objects.h:960,
                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/evp.h:138,
                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:67,
                 from auth_ssl.c:22,
                 from auths.c:2,
                 from env_unix.c:116,
                 from osdep.c:42:
/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit
declaration
auth_md5.c:132: warning: previous implicit declaration of `time'
/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: `time' was previously implicitly
declared to return `int'
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` utf8.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` siglocal.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` dummy.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` pseudo.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` netmsg.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` flstring.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` fdstring.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` rfc822.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` nntp.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` smtp.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` imap4r1.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` pop3.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` unix.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` mbox.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` mbx.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` mmdf.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` tenex.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` mtx.c
`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` news.c
news.c: In function `news_open':
news.c:330: warning: passing arg 3 of `scandir' from incompatible
pointer type
news.c: In function `news_header':
news.c:472: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a
cast
news.c:473: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
news.c:473: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
news.c:474: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
news.c:475: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
news.c:475: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
news.c:476: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
make[3]: *** [news.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/andreas/tmp/else/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
make[2]: *** [sl5] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/home/andreas/tmp/else/pine4.33/imap/c-client'
make[1]: *** [OSTYPE] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/andreas/tmp/else/pine4.33/imap'
make: *** [sl5] Error 2

I'm not familiar with the includes of pine, but it looks as either pine
does not include time.h or more likely, my include path is somehow
wrong.

I have all the output of 'build' if needed.

Any ideas??
Thanks,
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Andreas Fehr wrote:

>I did browse the pine-info archive but did not find anything similar to
>that. So this might be a problem with my compiler.

No, it is just a change in headers.  <sys/time.h> no longer
automatically includes <time.h>.

Presumeably for standards compliance, but I'm not sure.

>I tried to compile pine4.33 with 'build sl5' (I tried all alternatives
>for Linux, always the same result). I get the following error:
>
>
><snip>
>
>`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` smanager.c
>`cat CCTYPE` -c `cat CFLAGS` `cat OSCFLAGS` -c osdep.c
>In file included from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/asn1.h:62,
>                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/objects.h:960,
>                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/evp.h:138,
>                 from /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/x509.h:67,
>                 from auth_ssl.c:22,
>                 from auths.c:2,
>                 from env_unix.c:116,
>                 from osdep.c:42:
>/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit
>declaration
>auth_md5.c:132: warning: previous implicit declaration of `time'
>/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: `time' was previously implicitly
>declared to return `int'

Use the attached patch, which is taken from our Red Hat Linux
pine-4.33-6 package.  It should fix the problem for you.



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Hello,

Does anyone found a way to be able to read uuencoded attachements
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Bertrand PEREZ, at 10:31 +0200 on Thu, 5 Apr 2001, wrote:

    Does anyone found a way to be able to read uuencoded attachements
    within pine without having to save the attachement and uudecode
    it externally from pine ?

Try Pine's pipe command to view the uudecode'd message inline?

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On 2001-04-05, 04:18, Mike A. Harris wrote:

MAH> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Andreas Fehr wrote:
MAH>
MAH> >I did browse the pine-info archive but did not find anything similar to
MAH> >that. So this might be a problem with my compiler.
MAH>
MAH> No, it is just a change in headers.  <sys/time.h> no longer
MAH> automatically includes <time.h>.

OK, I see.

<snip>

MAH> >/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit
MAH> >declaration
MAH> >auth_md5.c:132: warning: previous implicit declaration of `time'
MAH> >/usr/include/time.h:166: warning: `time' was previously implicitly
MAH> >declared to return `int'
MAH>
MAH> Use the attached patch, which is taken from our Red Hat Linux
MAH> pine-4.33-6 package.  It should fix the problem for you.
MAH>

This did fix it.

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Hi,

I tryed to sorting my mails using "tHread" metod, but I always got
crash and this kind of error message:

	Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
	Pine Exiting.
	Arithmetic Exception (core dumped)

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe I should set something first
(like scores?)?

This is a bug or not?

My configuration is:

	SunOS 5.6 Generic_105181-03 sun4u sparc
	PINE: binaries v4.33

Regards

Murphy

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Hi,

I tryed to imagine how to efective using scores for...Yes - for what?
Maybe somebody knows where I can find good explanation for this topic?

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I had a similar problem, which I am told has been fixed if you rebuild
Pine with the latest c-client from the IMAP distribution....

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Murphy wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I tryed to sorting my mails using "tHread" metod, but I always got
> crash and this kind of error message:
>
> 	Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
> 	Pine Exiting.
> 	Arithmetic Exception (core dumped)
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe I should set something first
> (like scores?)?
>
> This is a bug or not?
>
> My configuration is:
>
> 	SunOS 5.6 Generic_105181-03 sun4u sparc
> 	PINE: binaries v4.33
>
> Regards
>
> Murphy
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, David L. Miller wrote:

>I had a similar problem, which I am told has been fixed if you rebuild
>Pine with the latest c-client from the IMAP distribution....

Thank's but usually I download recompiled versions because I don't
have too much time to do this thinks. Maybe next version will resolve
this problem.

By the way, for what is used this option?

Regards

Murphy

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*** Murphy (murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I tryed to sorting my mails using "tHread" metod, but I always got
:) crash and this kind of error message:
:)
:) 	Problem detected: "Received abort signal".
:) 	Pine Exiting.
:) 	Arithmetic Exception (core dumped)

This is a different bug that the one reported by Mike a few days ago, it
may have been fixed in the new release of the imap server (can't test it
if I don't have a folder to test with), but I tried Mikes example with the
new imap and that still crashes, for a different reason to the original
bug though.

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*** Murphy (murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I tryed to imagine how to efective using scores for...Yes - for what?
:) Maybe somebody knows where I can find good explanation for this topic?

There are a few reasons why one would like to use scores:

 - Say you are reading a high volume mailing list (newsgroup), like
comp.lang.c. You can use scores (and then sort by scores) to put the most
interesting threads to you in the very top (or bottom) of the index. In
some way you can use scoring to sort your folder by some kind of degree of
"interestingness" of messages in that folder. In a way, scores are very
dynamic.

 - Another application of scores is to use to filter messages, whenever
you want to filter a message that does not match a pattern, instead of
one that actually does (for example, something like "a message from a
specific domain which is not from sender@domain.com). In that case you can
two score rules, one which assignes a score of 10 say to
"sender@domain.com" and another one (after this), that assigns a score of
-5 to anyone from "domain.com". In that way, messages from
"sender@domain.com" get a score of 5, and others from that domain get a
score of -5 (assuming no other score rules affect them). In that way, you
can use scores to filter messages by saying "save a message with this
score into this folder" or "delete a message with this score".

  These are just the ideas that come to my mind. I am sure others have
better ideas than these.

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System:

imap server:  Pine 4.33 distribution imap with openssl,openldap,
              gcc 2.7.2.3, on SunOS4.1.4
client:  PCpine 4.33

PCpine 4.33 is working great on several Win98/Win95 boxes with "imaps"
selected through the "/ssl" imap specifier in the various config file
(pineconf, pinerc, pinercex).  (Note: one should be careful to add
the "/ssl" specifier to all "imap" resource configurations, like
addressbooks and foldercollections, otherwise an additional
authentication is done to the normal imap service which is in
cleartext along with everything else involving that resource.
Admittedly this is an obvious consequence,  but initially I only
thought to add the "/ssl" to the inbox-path specification.)

However, one Win95 machine fails at the initial authentication (when
pcpine is doing the authentication before checking the inbox
through the SSL "imaps" connection), giving the following error:

      [Unexpected SChannel error 80090302 - report this]

which then seems to alternate with

     [Can't establish SSL session to math.orst.edu / imaps,993]

until it gives up trying.

The imapd server writes the following syslog messages for the
authentication attempt:

Apr  4 15:18:51 amamama imapd[24994]: imaps alternative service init \
					 from 128.193.80.152
Apr  4 15:18:51 amamama imapd[24994]: Command stream end of file, \
		while reading line user=??? host=edwards.MATH.ORST.EDU \
						[128.193.80.152]


If the "/ssl" specifier is removed from the configuration files, then
PCpine works just fine on this machine, except of course it is then
just using the normal unencrypted "imap" service.

Somehow, I expect that "reinstalling/upgrading" the Win9x OS would
make this problem go away.  Reinstalling PCpine does not help.


Russell Ruby   russ@math.orst.edu
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*** Matt Ackeret (mattack@area.com) wrote in the pine-info list on Apr 3, 2001:

:) Also, trying to look at the messed up message shows:
:)
:)    [Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]

Matt,

I have a patch that may help you figure out what the message says, which
you can get from my web site, or consider using another MUA to read this
message (e.g. mutt does not have problems with this kind of messages).
I think it's in the plan of the pine-team to solve this problem, but of
course you never know when that will happen, just that it will.

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>:) I tryed to imagine how to efective using scores for...Yes - for what?
>:) Maybe somebody knows where I can find good explanation for this topic?
>
>There are a few reasons why one would like to use scores:

[cut]

Thanks for your explanation. I must try this feature because it looks
that may be very usefull.

Regards

Murphy

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From: Matt Ackeret <mattack@area.com>
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>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:33:05 +0200 (MET DST)
>From: Murphy <murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl>
>To: NEWS - Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Which reason is good for using "scores"
>Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.33.0104051430060.5284-100000@cactus.sonytel.be>
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>Hi,
>
>I tryed to imagine how to efective using scores for...Yes - for what?
>Maybe somebody knows where I can find good explanation for this topic?

I use scores for only one purpose, filtering.

I have a SetScores filter that sets the score to 100 if a *new* message
is to me or any of the mailing lists I am signed up for (using the "Recip"
field which means To or Cc).

Then I have a Filter based upon scores:
Score interval  = (-INF,99)
for message in INBOX, that are new, that are not deleted...

Move them to suspected_spam folder.

Note, I only set this up because I wasn't able to simply make a filter
that would move messages if the message was _NOT_ To/Cc me or my mailing
lists.

But this is an ok workaround, and works pretty well, except when I go through
my suspected_spam folder and every once in a while find a message there
from a mailing list I forgot about.


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   Hi,

   I have a problem that's been teasing my brain for days now, and I hope
   one of you could help me a bit...

   I use pine to read my email on my computer that's connected to the
   internet with a cable modem. I have a dynamic ip.

   The problem is, when I send a mail to certain hosts (like hotmail -
   and some others, too), my message bounces with the following error
   message:
   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
   <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
   451 <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>... cocaine.c17h21no4.net: Name server
   timeout
   ... while talking to mc1.law13.hotmail.com.:
   >>> DATA
   <<< 554 Transaction failed

   554 <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>... Service unavailable

   cocaine is my localhost. I suspect that some mta's are configured to
   check the 'sender'-tag, and pine puts my local (internal, fictious)
   domain name there, and the mta can't resolve it obviously.
   When I take "127.0.0.1 cocaine.c17h21no4.net cocaine localhost" out of
   my /etc/hosts (at least the cocaine part), some other programs (like
   wget) complain that they cannot determin local ip address...
   But my mail works to all hosts (sender - tag in pine is marc@cocaine,
   no fully resolvable address).

   When there's "cocaine.c17h21no4.net cocaine" too, everything else
   works (like wget), but mail to certain hosts (hotmail, pandora, ...)
   bounces - while others arrive without a problem.
   The problem is the 'sender'-tag, I think... What should I do? There is
   no option in pine to fake the header tag ('custom headers' doesn't
   work for the 'sender'-tag, it always gets replaced).
   Other people using pine on a host with a dynamic ip must have the same
   problem...

   Marc.


   PS: I use a customized 'from'-line, but that doesn't work for
   'sender'... I hope there is another way to fix this (am I overlooking
   something here?) than to mess with sendmail.cf rulesets...

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Frank Tobin wrote:

ft> Bertrand PEREZ, at 10:31 +0200 on Thu, 5 Apr 2001, wrote:
ft> 
ft>     Does anyone found a way to be able to read uuencoded attachements
ft>     within pine without having to save the attachement and uudecode
ft>     it externally from pine ?
ft> 
ft> Try Pine's pipe command to view the uudecode'd message inline?
ft> 

  Hate to sound stupid, but, huh?? How's this done, I have the image and
url viewers setup, and have editor setup, but how would you go about doing
what you describe above?

ft> 

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S.Toms, at 00:36 -0700 on Sat, 7 Apr 2001, wrote:

    ft> Try Pine's pipe command to view the uudecode'd message inline?
    ft>

      Hate to sound stupid, but, huh?? How's this done, I have the image and
    url viewers setup, and have editor setup, but how would you go about doing
    what you describe above?

Look in the Pine configuration for "enable-unix-pipe-cmd", and the
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inbox-path = {imap.server.domain/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=chris}INBOX

Is it possible to set /user= to the UNIX variable $USER?

Greets Chris - Sysadmin

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*** Christian Nygaard (chris@math.uu.se) wrote in the pine-info list on Apr...:

:) inbox-path = {imap.server.domain/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=chris}INBOX
:)
:) Is it possible to set /user= to the UNIX variable $USER?

Sure, try /user=${USER}. Pine should expand it at the beginning of the
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Try updating the following distribution-list entry in Pine 4.33 Linux and
Pine will crash. This seems to be due to some bug handling the ISO-8859
characters.

Contents of .addressbok:

test	test	(test1@test1.com,
   Test S=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=derlund <test@test.com>)	test

- Greets Chris



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Hi,

I found strange behaviour in PCPine 4.33. When I try open empty
directory, means directory without any mail and internal pine data, I
can't open directory like this. In this case I get error message which
saying that I can't open this directory. I prefer to have empty
directory files, means "zero size" files and I didn't have this kind
of problems with UNIX pine. Why this doesn't work in PCPine?

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*** Christian Nygaard (chris@math.uu.se) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Try updating the following distribution-list entry in Pine 4.33 Linux and
:) Pine will crash. This seems to be due to some bug handling the ISO-8859
:) characters.

I've read about this bug before but I've never been able to reproduce it.
I can update this entry in the addressbook normally as any other. Are
there any other conditions that you think are relevant to reproduce this?

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*** Christian Nygaard (chris@math.uu.se) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Try updating the following distribution-list entry in Pine 4.33 Linux and
:) Pine will crash. This seems to be due to some bug handling the ISO-8859
:) characters.

Trying to reproduce this bug, I found another one. Essentially the problem
was produced because pine did not notice that I had changed my
addressbook. This is what happened:

 - I added manually the entry posted here to my addressbook in the correct
format.

 - I tested that the entry was correctly entered, and it was. Pine did not
crash.

 - Then I thought about having an addressbook with only that one entry, so
I quitted Pine, backed up my addressbook (cp .addressbook backup), edited
the addressbook, deleted everthing except one entry and saved the changes.

  - I repeated the process to check that the entry was correctly entered,
pine did not give me any problem, so I quitted Pine.

  - I thought I had failed to reproduce the bug above, so I decided to
restore my addressbook,  (mv backup .addressbook).

  - I restarted pine, and to my surprise my addressbook contained just one
entry, which was the first #DELETED entry in it!, somehow Pine did not
notice that I had changed my addressbook. I fixed this by deleting the
.addressbook.lu file.

  Also, I would like to suggest that the amount of time that the deleted
entries in the addressbook are kept be configurable, the entries I saw had
been deleted more than a month ago. I believe that's more than enough
time to be really gone away.

   Thanks for your consideration.

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The accounting package we are using checks
for new "mail" each time a user returns to
the main menu.  It then displays the word
"MAIL" on each sub-menu to inform the user
of new incoming mail.

I recently installed pine as our mail client
to give my user better features, but since
pine stores some of the settings in the mail
entry titled "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE..."
our accounting system ALWAYS thinks there is
mail for the user.  If we delete it, the "MAIL"
message goes away on our accounting menu, but
obviously pine will recreate it with default
values the next time pine is used.

This "MAIL" feature on our accounting package
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when using pine.

Any suggestions?

Also, is there any particular reason pine stores
"whatever it stores" in an email entry?

Bill Andersen

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*** Bill Andersen (bill@mwdental.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I recently installed pine as our mail client to give my user better
:) features, but since pine stores some of the settings in the mail
:) entry titled "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE..." our accounting system
:) ALWAYS thinks there is mail for the user.  If we delete it, the
:) "MAIL" message goes away on our accounting menu, but obviously pine
:) will recreate it with default values the next time pine is used.

If the message is deleted then Pine should not recreate it (at least in
version 4.33). The message should only be created when a new folder is
created. You should also set the [X] quell-folder-internal-msg
configuration option in your pine.conf file.

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Eduardo,

  Thanks for the help.  I deleted the message for each user
  then added the quell-folder-internal-msg to pine.conf under
  feature-list...

  It seems to have corrected the problem.

Bill

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*** Bill Andersen (bill@mwdental.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) I recently installed pine as our mail client to give my user better
:) features, but since pine stores some of the settings in the mail
:) entry titled "DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE..." our accounting system
:) ALWAYS thinks there is mail for the user.  If we delete it, the
:) "MAIL" message goes away on our accounting menu, but obviously pine
:) will recreate it with default values the next time pine is used.

If the message is deleted then Pine should not recreate it (at least in
version 4.33). The message should only be created when a new folder is
created. You should also set the [X] quell-folder-internal-msg
configuration option in your pine.conf file.

-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/






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I am using pine v4.1 on AIX 4.1.5

We use FacetTerm to allow multiple "Windows"
on our dumb terminals.  I have set up pine on
our 4th window, but every time pine checks for
mail (as set by "mail-check-interval"), the
FacetTerm windows goes idle - as if pine either
crashed or exits.

If timed the crashes/exits and the correspond to
the setting of my "mail-check-interval".  Changing
the interval changes the "crash" time also.

I read a FAQ with the question "Why do I have
to exit pine in order to check mail?".  It explained
why, but yet I find the "mail-check-interval" setting
within pine.  If you have to exit pine in order to
check for new mail (as explained in the FAQ), then
why have a "mail-check-interval" setting?

OR, does the "mail-check-interval" simply have pine
exit and re-run automatically?  If this is the case,
then it would explain why my FacetTerm goes to idle
on each mail check - as pine cannot re-run within
FacetTerm's "idle" environment.

Of course, I may be WAY off base here too... ;)

Any thoughts?

Bill

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Bill Andersen wrote:

> I am using pine v4.1 on AIX 4.1.5

Please upgrade. It will fix all your problems ;-)

> If you have to exit pine in order to check for new mail (as
> explained in the FAQ), then why have a "mail-check-interval"
> setting?

You only have to close and reopen mailboxes accessed through the POP
protocol to get new mail. Because of the way Pine handles Inboxes, you
have to quit and restart to check for new mail if your INBOX is
accessed via POP.

You can learn how to get around this problem here:

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/other.html#newmail

If you use IMAP, Pine will honor the mail-check-interval.

I have no idea what is causing your problem though.

[Sorry if this breaks your threading. My mail config has recently
changed and the masquerading broke my posting address. This is a
resend]

-- 
Gopi Sundaram
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Gopi Sundaram wrote:
>Please upgrade. It will fix all your problems ;-)

Oh, if only it were only that easy!  I'd love to upgrade,
but the latest version of pine I can find for AIX 4.1.5
in a "smit" installable format is pine v4.1 from freeware.bull.net

OK, before everyone goes "come on guy, compile the dang code!",
here's why I need a pre-compiled version...

1) I have no compiler on this machine.  It was supplied
   by our software vendor and even though I realize I could
   get GNU C or such, my software vendor won't allow me to
   add the compiler (I have asked).

2) My support contract DOES state the above also... dang!

3) Yes, I know, I _should_ trash my software vendor.
   Maybe some day...

4) It took an act of congress to get them to agree to putting
   pine on the machine one I found the "smit" installable version.
   Hey, I am counting my blessings I even  _have_ email on my
   dumb terminals.

>You only have to close and reopen mailboxes accessed through the POP
>protocol to get new mail. Because of the way Pine handles Inboxes, you
>have to quit and restart to check for new mail if your INBOX is
>accessed via POP.

Thanks for the explaination, however, I'm not using POP to access
the INBOX.  pine is simply running on the AIX box and accessesing
/usr/spool/mail/$USER.  Why then, does new mail not show up until
I quit and re-run pine?  On a single terminal (without FacetTerm),
I can run pine and let it set there for hours without any new mail
showing up in the INBOX.  Quit pine and re-run and there might be
30 messages?

I checked out the URL you sent earlier (thanks), but it was related
to POP/IMAP mail notificiation.  My AIX uses sendmail to receive the
mail, so pine simply accesses directly on the machine.

Am I lost without the upgrade or can I make v4.1 work somehow?

Bill


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Hi,

I have the same problem with "From" and "Sender" tags.

I use a bogus domain and the sender is always like "user@bogus.domain".
I've read the RFC822 to see the differences between the "From" and
"Sender" but it becomes confused when we have dynamic IPs and bogus
machine names.

When I found this problem I put the same question for the sendmail. The
question is: does the email sent by a machine with a dynamic IP and a
bogus name is a valid email message?



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B
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Marc Owen wrote:

>
>    Hi,
>
>    I have a problem that's been teasing my brain for days now, and I hope
>    one of you could help me a bit...
>
>    I use pine to read my email on my computer that's connected to the
>    internet with a cable modem. I have a dynamic ip.
>
>    The problem is, when I send a mail to certain hosts (like hotmail -
>    and some others, too), my message bounces with the following error
>    message:
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>    <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>    451 <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>... cocaine.c17h21no4.net: Name server
>    timeout
>    ... while talking to mc1.law13.hotmail.com.:
>    >>> DATA
>    <<< 554 Transaction failed
>
>    554 <joker_of_love@hotmail.com>... Service unavailable
>
>    cocaine is my localhost. I suspect that some mta's are configured to
>    check the 'sender'-tag, and pine puts my local (internal, fictious)
>    domain name there, and the mta can't resolve it obviously.
>    When I take "127.0.0.1 cocaine.c17h21no4.net cocaine localhost" out of
>    my /etc/hosts (at least the cocaine part), some other programs (like
>    wget) complain that they cannot determin local ip address...
>    But my mail works to all hosts (sender - tag in pine is marc@cocaine,
>    no fully resolvable address).
>
>    When there's "cocaine.c17h21no4.net cocaine" too, everything else
>    works (like wget), but mail to certain hosts (hotmail, pandora, ...)
>    bounces - while others arrive without a problem.
>    The problem is the 'sender'-tag, I think... What should I do? There is
>    no option in pine to fake the header tag ('custom headers' doesn't
>    work for the 'sender'-tag, it always gets replaced).
>    Other people using pine on a host with a dynamic ip must have the same
>    problem...
>
>    Marc.
>
>
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I wonder if the following is a known problem.  (I am using version 4.33 with 
Kerberos5 option enabled.)

1.  I subscribe to a few newsgroups.
2.  Arbitrarily choose one of the newsgroups and flag every message as deleted.
3.  Quit pine.
4.  Restart pine.  All the newsgroups except the ones whose messages were 
flagged as deleted in step 3 are gone!

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I deleted ~/.newsrc* and now things are back to normal (or so it seems).

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Teramo, 14 apr 2001

I have a problem with PINE version <4.00

How can I see the all IMAP folders created on the server ?? (I can see
the INBOX naturally...). With the PINE versions >4.00 it's possible with
CollectionList option but with version <4 it'is impossible for me

I have tried (without success) with "folder-collection" option (in
setup) specifying {server-imap-name}inbox[] or
{server-imap-name}Maildir/[] or {server-imap-name}/[] and so on...

I have downloaded from internet many manual written by System Managers
of American Universities for PINE configuration but I haven't found the
solution!!

Where is the solution or is there the solution ?? thanks.


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Hi,
I'm new here.

I'm trying to install pine on my new osX box.
According to this web page it is supported
<http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/ports.html>

however when building the bin I get the following error:

Making Pine.
make CC=cc -f makefile.osx
make: makefile.osx: No such file or directory
make: *** No rule to make target `makefile.osx'.  Stop.

and indeed that makefile is not there.
mtest
imapd
pico
pilot

all build and make correctly

Is pine not supported under osX?

   -Erich
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> [...]
>   - I thought I had failed to reproduce the bug above, so I decided to
> restore my addressbook,  (mv backup .addressbook).
>
>   - I restarted pine, and to my surprise my addressbook contained just one
> entry, which was the first #DELETED entry in it!, somehow Pine did not
> notice that I had changed my addressbook. I fixed this by deleting the
> .addressbook.lu file.

It is using the modification date of the addressbook file. If the
addressbook.lu file has been modified since the addressbook file, then it
thinks it is up-to-date.

>   Also, I would like to suggest that the amount of time that the deleted
> entries in the addressbook are kept be configurable, the entries I saw had
> been deleted more than a month ago. I believe that's more than enough
> time to be really gone away.

I think it is 100 days. But this doesn't seem like it is worth making it
runtime configurable. Not many people look in their addressbook file, and
if they do, they can ignore the extra deleted entries. So if you really
want to change this parameter, change ABOOK_DELETED_EXPIRE_TIME in
pine/adrbklib.h.

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From: "Michael J. Pape" <papem@union.edu>
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Subject: nul characters
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For some yet undetermined reason, our mail system (Compaq Tru64 v5.1) is
randomly placing line(s) of nul characters (displayed as ^@^@^@ in emacs and
Pico) at mail message boundaries in some of our users' spool files. This is
of course a matter for the Compaq Engineers to solve, and to date they have
been little help.

While most mail readers don't have a problem with the nul characters
(including imap clients using UW-imap daemon), Pine (v4.33) does. At first
reading, Pine will correctly read the messages in the spool file. However,
after reading, deleting, moving... messages and exiting Pine, the spool file
is rewritten, and the nul characters cause Pine to rewrite the file
incorrectly. The From line of the message following the message with
trailing nul characters is rewritten with a double "F", i.e., "FFrom...".
This of course effectively causes the two messages to be concatenated.
Below is an example of two messages before and after reading in Pine...

Has anyone experienced this? Is there a way to make pine interpret the
trailing nul characters a blank lines?

Thanks,
Michael J. Pape
Union College Academic Systems Administrator
Schenectady, NY 12308
518-388-6665
papem@union.edu


BEFORE READING WITH PINE (two separate messages):

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Status: RO
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test
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael J. Pape" <papem@union.edu>
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Status: RO
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test


AFTER READING WITH PINE (effectively one message):

>From root Wed Apr 11 15:42:59 2001
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Status: RO
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test
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Pine 4.33 compiling errors on Solaris 8 Ultra 5
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Hi all.  I'm having problems compiling pine 4.33 on Solaris 8 on Ultra
5...

[130]root@nemo:/export/src/pine4.33$ build gs5
make args are CC=gcc

Including SSL functionality
Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
make CC=gcc SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS=ssl gso
make build EXTRACFLAGS='' EXTRALDFLAGS='' EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS='' SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS=
'ssl' PASSWDTYPE=std EXTRASPECIALS='' OS=gso
Building c-client for gso...
echo GSSDIR=/usr/local  > c-client/SPECIALS
cd c-client;make gso EXTRACFLAGS=''\
 EXTRALDFLAGS=''\
 EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'\
 EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS=''\
 SPECIALAUTHENTICATORS='ssl'\
 PASSWDTYPE=std\
 GSSDIR=/usr/local
make build EXTRACFLAGS='' EXTRALDFLAGS='' EXTRADRIVERS='mbox'
EXTRAAUTHENTICATORS='' PASSWDTYPE=std SPECIAL
AUTHENTICATORS='ssl' `cat SPECIALS` OS=sol \
 SIGTYPE=psx CHECKPW=psx CRXTYPE=nfs \
 SPOOLDIR=/var/spool MAILSPOOL=/var/mail \
 ACTIVEFILE=/usr/share/news/active \
 RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh \
 BASECFLAGS="-g -O2" \
 BASELDFLAGS="-lsocket -lnsl -lgen" \
 RANLIB=true CC=gcc
sh -c 'rm -rf auths.c crexcl.c flockbsd.c linkage.[ch] siglocal.c
osdep*.[ch] *.o ARCHIVE *FLAGS *TYPE c-cl
ient.a || true'
Once-only environment setup...
echo gcc > CCTYPE
echo -g -O2 '' > CFLAGS
echo -DCREATEPROTO=unixproto -DEMPTYPROTO=unixproto \
 -DMAILSPOOL=\"/var/mail\" \
 -DANONYMOUSHOME=\"/var/mail/anonymous\" \
 -DACTIVEFILE=\"/usr/share/news/active\" -DNEWSSPOOL=\"/var/spool/news\" \
 -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" -DLOCKPGM=\"/etc/mlock\" > OSCFLAGS
echo -lsocket -lnsl -lgen  > LDFLAGS
echo "ar rc c-client.a mail.o misc.o newsrc.o smanager.o osdep.o utf8.o
siglocal.o  dummy.o pseudo.o netmsg
.o flstring.o fdstring.o  rfc822.o nntp.o smtp.o imap4r1.o pop3.o  unix.o
mbox.o mbx.o mmdf.o tenex.o mtx.o
 news.o phile.o mh.o mx.o;true c-client.a" > ARCHIVE
./drivers mbox imap nntp pop3 mh mx mbx tenex mtx mmdf unix news phile
dummy
./mkauths  md5 ssl log
echo -DMD5ENABLE=\"/etc/cram-md5.pwd\" >> OSCFLAGS
echo -I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/local/ssl/include/openssl
-DSSL_CERT_DIRECTORY=\"/usr/local/ssl/certs\
" >> OSCFLAGS
echo -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -lssl -lcrypto  >> LDFLAGS
:mail.c:22: ctype.h: No such file or directory
mail.c:23: stdio.h: No such file or directory
In file included from mail.c:25:
osdep.h:21: string.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:24: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:25: dirent.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:26: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:27: unistd.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:28: time.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:29: utime.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:30: syslog.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:31: sys/file.h: No such file or directory
osdep.h:32: ustat.h: No such file or directory
mail.c:26: time.h: No such file or directory
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `mail.o'
Current working directory /export/src/pine4.33/imap/c-client
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `gso'
Current working directory /export/src/pine4.33/imap/c-client
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `OSTYPE'
Current working directory /export/src/pine4.33/imap
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `gso'
In file included from attach.c:30:
headers.h:29: stdio.h: No such file or directory
In file included from headers.h:31,
                 from attach.c:30:
os.h:25: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
os.h:28: dirent.h: No such file or directory
os.h:29: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
os.h:30: string.h: No such file or directory
os.h:34: pwd.h: No such file or directory
os.h:35: sys/wait.h: No such file or directory
os.h:36: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
os.h:37: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
os.h:38: netdb.h: No such file or directory
os.h:43: locale.h: No such file or directory
os.h:49: time.h: No such file or directory
os.h:51: sys/time.h: No such file or directory
os.h:56: signal.h: No such file or directory
os.h:100: termios.h: No such file or directory
In file included from attach.c:30:
headers.h:64: ctype.h: No such file or directory
headers.h:65: errno.h: No such file or directory
headers.h:66: setjmp.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/math.h:231,
                 from
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.7/2.95.1/include/math.h:5,
                 from attach.c:31:
/usr/include/floatingpoint.h:14: stdio_tag.h: No such file or directory
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `attach.o'
In file included from headers.h:59,
                 from addrbook.c:48:
../pico/headers.h:29: stdio.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../pico/headers.h:31,
                 from headers.h:59,
                 from addrbook.c:48:
../pico/os.h:25: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:28: dirent.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:29: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:30: string.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:34: pwd.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:35: sys/wait.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:36: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:37: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:38: netdb.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:43: locale.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:49: time.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:51: sys/time.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:56: signal.h: No such file or directory
../pico/os.h:100: termios.h: No such file or directory
In file included from headers.h:59,
                 from addrbook.c:48:
../pico/headers.h:64: ctype.h: No such file or directory
../pico/headers.h:65: errno.h: No such file or directory
../pico/headers.h:66: setjmp.h: No such file or directory
In file included from os.h:43,
                 from headers.h:64,
                 from addrbook.c:48:
../c-client/osdep.h:21: string.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:24: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:25: dirent.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:26: fcntl.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:27: unistd.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:28: time.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:29: utime.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:30: syslog.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:31: sys/file.h: No such file or directory
../c-client/osdep.h:32: ustat.h: No such file or directory
In file included from headers.h:64,
                 from addrbook.c:48:
os.h:230: sys/param.h: No such file or directory
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `addrbook.o'
size: bin/pine: cannot open
size: bin/mtest: cannot open
size: bin/imapd: cannot open
size: bin/pico: cannot open
size: bin/pilot: cannot open
echo "void ssl_onceonlyinit (void);" >> linkage.h
[131]root@nemo:/export/src/pine4.33$

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Subject: confused by roles
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I made this rule

Nickname        = opera
To pattern      = opera-users@opera.no
>From pattern    = opera-users-admin@opera.no
Cc pattern      = opera-users@opera.no
News pattern    = <No Value Set>
Subject pattern = [Opera-users]
Recip pattern   = opera-users@opera.no
Partic pattern  = opera-users@opera.no
AllText pattern = http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-users
Score interval  = <No Value Set>

why doesn't a message with these headers match?

To: opera-users@opera.no
Subject: [Opera-users] Blank Page loads with a link URL
Reply-To: opera-users@opera.no


I checked the FAQ but it seems I'm either the only person who has this
problem or everyone else has some bit of knowledge I am missing.

Thanks
TjL






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Hi,

   All the options in the rules are logically ANDed. So, only if there is a
match in all the patterns specified below that the role will work.


   So, if u want all the patterns below to match, u have to make that many
roles, each with one pattern.

   Please correct me if I am wrong.

HTH
Arun



On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Tim Luoma wrote:

>
> I made this rule
>
> Nickname        = opera
> To pattern      = opera-users@opera.no
> >From pattern    = opera-users-admin@opera.no
> Cc pattern      = opera-users@opera.no
> News pattern    = <No Value Set>
> Subject pattern = [Opera-users]
> Recip pattern   = opera-users@opera.no
> Partic pattern  = opera-users@opera.no
> AllText pattern = http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-users
> Score interval  = <No Value Set>
>
> why doesn't a message with these headers match?
>
> To: opera-users@opera.no
> Subject: [Opera-users] Blank Page loads with a link URL
> Reply-To: opera-users@opera.no
>
>
> I checked the FAQ but it seems I'm either the only person who has this
> problem or everyone else has some bit of knowledge I am missing.
>
> Thanks
> TjL
>
>
>
>
>
>


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>    All the options in the rules are logically ANDed. So, only if there is a
> match in all the patterns specified below that the role will work.
> 
> 
>    So, if u want all the patterns below to match, u have to make that many
> roles, each with one pattern.
> 
>    Please correct me if I am wrong.

Nope, that sounds like my experience, too.  Which brings up a good
question - is there any way to make them OR instead of AND?  That seems
like an intuitive feature to have, but I've never been able to do such a
thing (besides, of course, doing what you suggest and make a different
role for different headers).

[ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ]


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I am running 4.33 on SunOS 5.7, and have been using it for a few months.

I would like to use pine to send out attached files from within a
shellscript or C program.  I would like to do this without pine ever
starting from the user's point of view.  I used to use mailx for this,
e.g. "mailx user@domail < letterfile", but cannot do attachments with
mailx easily.

So far, I have tried "pine user@domain -attach attachfile < letterfile".

This gets everything I want there, and fires up pine in composer mode.  I
really would just like to send the ^X to send the message at that point.

I thought the -I command line option was the answer, but find that you
cannot give the composer commands using it.

Am I missing something?

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From: Eduardo Chappa <chappa@math.washington.edu>
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*** Joel Boonstra (jboonstra@gospelcom.net) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) Nope, that sounds like my experience, too.  Which brings up a good
:) question - is there any way to make them OR instead of AND?

If there was a logical OR, then in order for you to have a match you just
need to match one condition. This seems like an improvement in speed, but
if you wanted to have a match that satisfied "p and q", instead of just
"p", you would have to write the former condition after the latter, and
always use the last match that you find. In another words, it would take
longer to find which role to use, since probably your list of roles would
be longer than what it is today, and finding a non-match means that you
have to test all possible conditions.

Since I am a mathematician I can't avoid making this comment, but it's an
old theorem in logic that says that you can express any logical statement
using just two connectors, one of them being negation and the other can be
either "and", "or", "implication", "equivalence", etc. Pine clearly gives
the "and" part, the "not" part is given by the "score interval", more as a
workaround, than as a real "not".

You can also use "or" within a pattern, by separating each condition by a
comma, so if you have something like:

Header Pattern = a, b, c

it is considered a match if either "a", "b" or "c" is found in that
specific header. Be careful too, once I wrote a "," instead of a ".", and
found myself matching more patterns than what I wanted.

-- 
Eduardo
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*** Dan Bell wrote today at 12:01 -0400:

: I would like to use pine to send out attached files from within a
: shellscript or C program.  I would like to do this without pine ever
: starting from the user's point of view.  I used to use mailx for this,
: e.g. "mailx user@domail < letterfile", but cannot do attachments with
: mailx easily.

: Am I missing something?

Yes, you are.  Check out Eduardo's patch for sending mail from the command
line:

   http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

-- 
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1) First of all, this is a FAQ that was asked only a couple of days ago.
2) You may get a patch to make Pine do what it's not intended to do, or
3) use mpack, a utility for sending mail noninteractively with attachments.

> I am running 4.33 on SunOS 5.7, and have been using it for a few months.
> 
> I would like to use pine to send out attached files from within a
> shellscript or C program.  I would like to do this without pine ever
> starting from the user's point of view.  I used to use mailx for this,
> e.g. "mailx user@domail < letterfile", but cannot do attachments with
> mailx easily.
> 
> So far, I have tried "pine user@domain -attach attachfile < letterfile".
> 
> This gets everything I want there, and fires up pine in composer mode.  I
> really would just like to send the ^X to send the message at that point.
> 
> I thought the -I command line option was the answer, but find that you
> cannot give the composer commands using it.
> 
> Am I missing something?
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Is there a way to get ALL of the headers to appear in a certain color
scheme?

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Good morning,

1. PC Pine 4.33.

2. Seems that if you use CURSORPOS in a literal signature then when
composing mail the signature is prepended two newlines, but the cursorpos
is not, so you always get the cursor two lines above where you wanted it
to be.

These two lines are a bit of a neacance anyway. I wanted to include a
header and a footer to each message and ideally it would be done by a sig
with

"Hi,
_CURSORPOS_
Yours, whoever."

but it won't work.

3. Also, I rememer there once was a feature to allow you to use , and .
instead of < and > on account of being to lazy to hld the shift key, but I
couldn't find it browsing through setup/config. anyone?

Thanks,
-/elad
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*** Elad Eyal (elad@cs.bgu.ac.il) wrote in the pine-info list on Apr 13, 2001:

:) 2. Seems that if you use CURSORPOS in a literal signature then when
:) composing mail the signature is prepended two newlines, but the
:) cursorpos is not, so you always get the cursor two lines above where
:) you wanted it to be.

Hmm I couldn't reproduce this in  unix pine. The position of the cursor
was always where it was meant to be.

:) These two lines are a bit of a neacance anyway. I wanted to include a
:) header and a footer to each message

Every signature is prepended with two empty lines, there's nothing you can
do about it. If your real purpose is this one, then use a role and use a
template file instead. A Template file is not prepended by two empty
lines.

:) 3. Also, I rememer there once was a feature to allow you to use , and .
:) instead of < and > on account of being to lazy to hld the shift key, but I
:) couldn't find it browsing through setup/config. anyone?

[X] enable-arrow-navigation-relaxed

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Good morning,

EC>:) 2. Seems that if you use CURSORPOS in a literal signature then when
EC>:) composing mail the signature is prepended two newlines, but the
EC>:) cursorpos is not, so you always get the cursor two lines above where
EC>:) you wanted it to be.
EC>
EC>Hmm I couldn't reproduce this in  unix pine. The position of the cursor
EC>was always where it was meant to be.

It's very reproducible in here.

EC>:) These two lines are a bit of a neacance anyway. I wanted to include a
EC>:) header and a footer to each message
EC>
EC>Every signature is prepended with two empty lines, there's nothing you can
EC>do about it. If your real purpose is this one, then use a role and use a
EC>template file instead. A Template file is not prepended by two empty
EC>lines.

Hmm, silly me. You're right.

EC>:) 3. Also, I rememer there once was a feature to allow you to use , and .
EC>:) instead of < and > on account of being to lazy to hld the shift key, but I
EC>:) couldn't find it browsing through setup/config. anyone?
EC>
EC>[X] enable-arrow-navigation-relaxed

Right again, but I could not find any hint of this in the help file for
this command. Rather it talks about the left & right arrows. A
documentation bug or a case of user illiteracy?


-/elad
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Good morning,

EC>:) These two lines are a bit of a neacance anyway. I wanted to include a
EC>:) header and a footer to each message
EC>
EC>Every signature is prepended with two empty lines, there's nothing you can
EC>do about it. If your real purpose is this one, then use a role and use a
EC>template file instead. A Template file is not prepended by two empty
EC>lines.

Ha, this works!

I save my template file remotely (of course), and it contains

		Good morning,
		_TO_("","","_CURSORPOS_")

And I still use the (litearl) signature file so that it's at the end of
the message. The second line makes the cursor appear after the greeting if
the mail already has someone in the "To" field (reply or forward or
assumingly even if I start it with 'pine john'), but keeps it on the "To"
field line if its not.

Downside is that taking the template file from remote takes too much time
(and I still haven't tried it offline.


-/elad
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Hi, when pine/pico determines your session has been interrupted (as from a
disconnection) it thoughtfully saves your work in the current directory as
'file.save'.

My question is, how exactly can I force this behavior to happen?  I was
connected to my server via ssh, editing code with pico when I became
disconnected.  Unfortunately pico hasn't realized this yet (it's been 2
hours since I lost the session).  What can I do to make pico realize I'm no
longer there?  Should I kill its parent shell?

The last thing I want to do is kill pico or its parent in a way that will
abort the auto-save feature, and thus lose about 300 lines of code.

Any timely help greatly appreciated.  This is a Linux 2.2.x system running
pico 3.7.

Thanks,
Javier

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, javier wrote:

>Hi, when pine/pico determines your session has been interrupted (as from a
>disconnection) it thoughtfully saves your work in the current directory as
>'file.save'.
>
>My question is, how exactly can I force this behavior to happen?  I was
>connected to my server via ssh, editing code with pico when I became
>disconnected.  Unfortunately pico hasn't realized this yet (it's been 2
>hours since I lost the session).  What can I do to make pico realize I'm no
>longer there?  Should I kill its parent shell?

kill <pid of pico>

>The last thing I want to do is kill pico or its parent in a way that will
>abort the auto-save feature, and thus lose about 300 lines of code.

The above should do it ok.  Start pico in another login and test-
kill the new pico and see what happens.  You should be ok.

>Any timely help greatly appreciated.  This is a Linux 2.2.x system running
>pico 3.7.

That version of pico contains tmpfile races which may be a
security risk on your system.  pico will follow a symlink when
saving the backup file and can overwrite any file to which the
owner of the file being edited has access to.  This is
particularly a concern when editing files in shared directories.

I recommend upgrading to PINE 4.33 right away.

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First of all, I can resist... (as he fears a religious war) check into vim
(like the 'vi' editor, but on steroids.)  It's much more conducive to
writing code.  :) :)

Ok, now your problem...  Try:

$ ps -ef | grep pico
   jared  9555  9554  0 13:59:10 ttys8     0:00 pico
   jared  9554  9669  1 13:59:10 ttypf     0:00 xterm -geometry 82x47+144+0 -e pico
$ kill -15 9555

The '-15' is the SIGTERM signal, which is trappable, allowing pico to exit
gracefully.  I would test this, first, on another pico session.  I tested
it on HP-UX and it worked fine.

jared


On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, javier wrote:

> Hi, when pine/pico determines your session has been interrupted (as from a
> disconnection) it thoughtfully saves your work in the current directory as
> 'file.save'.
>
> My question is, how exactly can I force this behavior to happen?  I was
> connected to my server via ssh, editing code with pico when I became
> disconnected.  Unfortunately pico hasn't realized this yet (it's been 2
> hours since I lost the session).  What can I do to make pico realize I'm no
> longer there?  Should I kill its parent shell?
>
> The last thing I want to do is kill pico or its parent in a way that will
> abort the auto-save feature, and thus lose about 300 lines of code.
>
> Any timely help greatly appreciated.  This is a Linux 2.2.x system running
> pico 3.7.
>
> Thanks,
> Javier
>
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We are using pine on a Solaris system.  One user (with a rather large mail
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WE've tried re-booting, deleting some messages, etc. with no change.
Other users have no problem.  System resources seem fine.

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Sorry, the full error message is:

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I think the problem is due to insufficient swap space on the computer (due
to a configuration glitch, one swap file didn't auto mount after the
latest re-boot).  Still strange that not all users were affected.

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Hello,

I use the charset ISO-8859-1.

The preblem that I noted is that when I sent a message with or without a
pgp signature the sent message have a charset of ISO-8859-1. But when I
encrypt and sign a message, the sent message have a charset of US-ASCII.

I see this when I browse the sent items on Pine.

A Pine ou pgp4pine bug?

Thanks very much,

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Hi people,

Just a thought on LDAP functionality, this caught me off guard today and
to be honest is the only thing that seems to be missing from the
pine<>LDAP ties.

After an LDAP search (simple or advanced) there is no option to do
multiple selects. There is for personal address's. This would be great for
instance  where I got caught today was I wanted to send ane mail to all
people Department A at Campus B, so I did a 'complex' search, I got the
results I wanted, but then I couldn't select everyone (or a subset of that
group).

I hope this makes it to the new feature list in version 4.34.

Cheers,

Stewart



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Hi,

I would like to build an addressbook with all the email addresses in mails
received in my Pine/Procmail config. Any suggestion?

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote:
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:15:10 +1000 (EST)
>From: Stewart James <stewart.james@vu.edu.au>
>Subject: LDAP Suggestion
...
>Just a thought on LDAP functionality, this caught me off guard today and
>to be honest is the only thing that seems to be missing from the
>pine<>LDAP ties.
>
>After an LDAP search (simple or advanced) there is no option to do
>multiple selects. There is for personal address's. This would be great for

How do I do an LDAP search at all?

I have known that I can type in an address and then the full name will
get filled in from the LDAP server, but how can I search for a partial username
or even partial real name and get results from the LDAP server?  This'd
be great to have in pine..  (Something similar to the popup that you get
in the Mac OS X Mail.app when you type in a name, but other things about that
program bug me.)


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Once you have a directory setup hit ^T when you are in an address area
when composing a new message. This should bring up your address book, and
down the bottom of the address books should be your directory services,
select one of them.  Enter what you want to search for It replaces spaces
with * internally and also places a * at the start and end of what you
type. To try and clarify, if you were to search for "art ame" it would
actually search for "*art*ame*" which would ofcourse match my name ;)

If you made it that far then hit ^T again and you'll be whisked away to
the complex search.

Hope this helps,

Stewart

On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote:
> >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:15:10 +1000 (EST)
> >From: Stewart James <stewart.james@vu.edu.au>
> >Subject: LDAP Suggestion
> ...
> >Just a thought on LDAP functionality, this caught me off guard today and
> >to be honest is the only thing that seems to be missing from the
> >pine<>LDAP ties.
> >
> >After an LDAP search (simple or advanced) there is no option to do
> >multiple selects. There is for personal address's. This would be great for
>
> How do I do an LDAP search at all?
>
> I have known that I can type in an address and then the full name will
> get filled in from the LDAP server, but how can I search for a partial username
> or even partial real name and get results from the LDAP server?  This'd
> be great to have in pine..  (Something similar to the popup that you get
> in the Mac OS X Mail.app when you type in a name, but other things about that
> program bug me.)
>
>

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Ok, thanks to Stewart James' response, there is apparently a way to
get LDAP support close to the way I wanted it (basically give me a list
of choices that match what I type in).

He explained doing "Setup, Directory".  I have no such item on my Setup
screen.

I am using a version of pine on Mac OS X, so I presume some configuration
wasn't turned on properly when compiling it.  Could someone tell me what I have
to do to turn it on?  (I have previously compiled it on Mac OS X, the current
one was compiled by someone else who made a slight change that apparently
is eventually going to get in the main pine distribution.)

Strangely, I *am* getting some LDAP support.  (There are "ldap" and "ldapsearch"
binaries along with pine from where I run it.)

As I said before, I do get full name filled in if I do a username search.

What do I need to turn on and/or recompile to get this more sophisticated
LDAP searching?

Thanks a lot.

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From: Gopi Sundaram <gopalan@cs.sc.edu>
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Xavier wrote:

> I would like to build an addressbook with all the email addresses
> in mails received in my Pine/Procmail config. Any suggestion?

Take a look at Robin Socha's Pine tips:
http://socha.net/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=4

Scroll down to "The Code". The first script does exactly what you
want.

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From: Jenny Payne <jpayne@mail.wrl.org>
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Hello Pinesters.

I am trying to figure out if there's a way to configure PINE so that when
an incoming mail has a specific header, they can be automatically routed
to a specified folder with the same name.

	(Example, if I were on the 'Bonsai' mailing list, the subject
	might be   Subject: Bonsai: Pruning.  PINE would recognize the
	word 'Bonsai' and put it in the 'Bonsai' folder.)

Any help would be appreciated.  I'm not the highly technical sort, so the
simpler the answers, the better.

Many thanks,
Jenny


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Hi, Jenny,
l for folder list
a to create a folder with a name you can remember, associated with the
folder you're try ing to create.
Using a stocks list, for example, maybe you'd want to nickname the folder
"money".

Then, from Pine's main menu, do this:
s for setup
r for rules
f for filters
a to add a filtering rule
Nickname: Type c to change the text, Give it something you can remember,
like if it's a stocks list,
you might call it "stock1" or something like that.
Up to you. Hit return after the folder name.
Arrow down to where it says "subject", and put in the text which uniquely
identifies that mailing list, if it occurs in every message.
If your subjects normally looks like;
"Subject: [Stock-info] Noon Averages
with the bracketed text on every message, just write:
[Stock-info]
in that field.
There's lots of stuff in this screen for tailoring, but if you're just
trying to move the messages from your inbox to the new folder, all you
need do is move to near the bottom (control-w, then control-v will take
you there), and in the line asking for the folder to move to, just type c,
and enter the name of the folder and hit enter.
Type an e to exit, and answer y to confirm your changes when asked,
and the deed should be done.
Next time you enter Pine, any messages from the designated list should be
moved to the specified folder, if everything was done right.
While in a Pine session, you'll get status messages at the bottom of the
screen when new mail comes and is routed to that particular folder.
Hope this helps.

--Rick




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	Pine has a newsgroup part and my ISP does have all of them on
line. Problem is I have just a passing knowledge of news groups and there
is NO help in pine 4.31 that I'm able to find.

	Can a user happy with newsgroups tell me how to use this in pine?
I have used A and asked for a newsgroup and the download was 15 minutes
and all I get is an empty folder.

Yours Truly,

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Unfortunately the link to the script doesn't work, at least it didn't seem
to.

TjL



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Please quote a little text so that we know what you are replying to.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Timothy Luoma wrote:

> Unfortunately the link to the script doesn't work, at least it
> didn't seem to.

Did you read my message? I said scroll down to "The Code". The script
is part of the web-page.

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After having been away for some time, I am very glad to see a lot of
improvements in PINE.  I am very impressed with PC-PINE too, and am using
that now instead of Outlook.  I like being able to use the same mailer on
Windows and my shell account, and I like being able to do everything with
keystrokes rather than having to use the mouse.

The only shortfall I still see is that when I goto the folders list, I
can't see either of the things I really need to know:

1) How many unread (aka "new") messages in a given folder?

2) How many read messages in a given folder?

I'd also really like to be able to see the total size of the folder in
megabytes (or kb for those who prefer that)

Is there any way to do this currently?
Would it be possible to implement this in the future?

(How does PINE know if a message is 'unread'?  I used to know...)

Thanks

TjL


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I have several custom headers that I would like to be able to see more
than the standard 8 characters.  I have plenty of screen width.  Being
about to see more should be an option, IMO.



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Hello all,

I'm using pine 4.33.  I would like to highlight an email address while
viewing a message and be able to forward the current message to that
address.  In other words, when I hit <enter>, and get the 'Compose mail to
"someone@domain.com"' prompt, I would like to include the current message
as though I just forwarded that message or replied (w/ quoting) to that
person.  I have searched the FAQ and pine-info to no avail.  Does this
ability exist?

Thanks
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Hi,

I'd like to know if it is possible to choose a SMTP server when we send
mail.

I know that we can setup several SMTP servers but I can't find the option
to choose the one that I want to use for a certain role.

Thanks very much,

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*** Nuno Teixeira (nuno.teixeira@pt-quorum.com) wrote in the pine-info list...:

:) I know that we can setup several SMTP servers but I can't find the option
:) to choose the one that I want to use for a certain role.

Unfortunately the answer is no, at this time. I would like to set also
some other variables just depending on the role being used. This one,
however, can be set if you apply a patch that I wrote. The patch is called
"define your own rules...", and in particular allows you to define this
behavior. After you apply the patch and restart pine all you need to do is
press M S C and define the smtp-rules variable as follows:

smtp-rules  =  _ROLE_ == {name of role} => _SMTP_{smtp.server.com}

What will happen will be that Pine will go through all the rules that you
have listed in this variable, when sending the message. If one of them
matches the criteria that you selected (e.g ROLE, TO, etc) it will be
added to your list of smpt servers that you specificied in the smtp-server
variable, and it will be added at the top. When Pine sends the message it
will go through your list of servers from the top and check each one at
the time.  If you do this in the right way, you can always have one server
used to send a message for each message.

  If you are interested, the patch can be obtained from the address below.

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  Hey,

  I've been using pine for some years now (running 4.30 now)-- a
couple almost exclusively since switching to Linux & for some
before via shell accounts.  I've found ispell always very good.

  But lately I've started teaching myself html & have been using
pico since pico is perfect for such simple text documents.
Trouble is, ispell acts very differently in pico than it does in
pine, & I can't find anything -- other than the fact there ~is~
spell check capability -- on spell check in pico.

  Is there any way to get ispell to act in pico as it does in
pine?

  Meph

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On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Timothy Luoma wrote:

>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
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>I have several custom headers that I would like to be able to see more
>than the standard 8 characters.  I have plenty of screen width.  Being
>about to see more should be an option, IMO.

Go into the setup screen and enable aggregate command set, and
you can enable full headers with "H".  Works fine.  You can also
use customized headers, etc.. in setup.


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*** Mike A. Harris (mharris@redhat.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) >I have several custom headers that I would like to be able to see more
:) >than the standard 8 characters.  I have plenty of screen width.  Being
:) >about to see more should be an option, IMO.
:)
:) Go into the setup screen and enable aggregate command set, and
:) you can enable full headers with "H".  Works fine.  You can also
:) use customized headers, etc.. in setup.

Mike,

The point is to see the heaeder when composing, not when reading. Long
headers get cut off at the 8 character limit.

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*** Meph Istopheles (Meph@Aeon-AL.Com) wrote in the pine-info list on Apr...:

:)   Is there any way to get ispell to act in pico as it does in
:) pine?

Try

pico -s 'ispell [options]' file

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Eduardo Chappa <chappa@math.washington.edu>
>To: Mike A. Harris <mharris@redhat.com>
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>*** Mike A. Harris (mharris@redhat.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:
>
>:) >I have several custom headers that I would like to be able to see more
>:) >than the standard 8 characters.  I have plenty of screen width.  Being
>:) >about to see more should be an option, IMO.
>:)
>:) Go into the setup screen and enable aggregate command set, and
>:) you can enable full headers with "H".  Works fine.  You can also
>:) use customized headers, etc.. in setup.
>
>Mike,
>
>The point is to see the heaeder when composing, not when reading. Long
>headers get cut off at the 8 character limit.

Oh, sorry!  I completely misunderstood.  Big duh..  ;o)  One of
the perils of working 20 hour days..  You get dumb after a
while..  ;o)

Yes, I agree it would be nice to see the full name of each header
item in some situations, but it messes up the orderly display.
Perhaps a spare key could toggle between full name display and
cutoff.

Take care!



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It would be a cool feature to add to the Reply section of setup:

[*] enable-reply-to-all
[*] enable-reply-to-list

The former on "A" for example, and the latter some other random
key perhaps.

The latter would reply to the list address listed in the GNU
mailman headers that PINE knows about.

Just a cool idea I thought might benefit others.



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Good Morning to every1,

Pls let me know about the Debug level set 1-9 option available in
pine 3.96 version..

I wud be happy to learn from U.

Thanks in advance.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Mike A. Harris wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Timothy Luoma wrote:
>
> >I have several custom headers that I would like to be able to see more
> >than the standard 8 characters.  I have plenty of screen width.  Being
> >about to see more should be an option, IMO.
>
> Go into the setup screen and enable aggregate command set, and
> you can enable full headers with "H".  Works fine.  You can also
> use customized headers, etc.. in setup.


My apologies for the confusion

I was talking about how many characters *wide* I could see, i.e. if I have
a Customized Header:

	X-This-is-a-long-header:

all I can see in PINE's compose menu is

	X-This-is:

which isn't very helpful if I happen to have

	X-This-is-another-long-header:

Tim



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Hello,

I use Pine for a long time and I have no problems with attached files
based on MIME types. Today I received a message with an attached file (I
presume) and it looks like:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---

Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: owner-ctm-ports-cur@FreeBSD.ORG
To: ctm-ports-cur@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: ctm-mail ports-cur.3738.gz 1/1

CTM_MAIL BEGIN ports-cur.3738.gz 1 1
H4sIAM9Q5zoCA6yca3PbOJaGP1u/AtXdnpmtGVO8X1zlrXZiJ3GN7WRtpzO7O1sqEAAljnhrk=
pLs
7sr+9j0ASckXSTjq2k5CXfgAeAEcHBwAVL9/uJm8u/x4dUtswyRVWbfNCVvUxAmckNimaZmu7=
dm2
43jWfxFj9P7h5sM9MVibT5qWtouGWKbpdhffdUkQsIhFnDpBQP04om4kEs8JXc/yE9cLObHsM=
ApD
M4B7vhnwJHFYFEaOaTvccmLPJJY3eqlipAq9JZy2NKaNaMZV2bTTWjS/ZsH4hs5FkmbilQ4uG=
I3j
0LHikNo28yI7dpNQ2CEPBBVJSEQUUuo7PI5C1/I8EGIzK0hMS3DbMV2fOKE94h6xRlRefiQ/f=
aiF
eHd/cdo10ni/nL8tiWUEkWrBsemObcgkOIW/nkfKbCqKlFw+VuSnEbdMWYa6fvl893B3+cvV/=
dXn
27MjWXyoypfXL9dX9w+T+6/vzo6+fJx8ubv8cPWPsx9++n394fsPBN5f3b6//npx2d/pP8Gtb=
1cP
nyYP76/ljeH99x9GPFI1VNeqFifisa0pa09BlmwC0OXKwo9+/un3m79fXN19J5BvV9w4S+Nxy=
7Jn
+Y2/TOELy3AguddVS70cHf07Lt24mk+vCi4eDfi8v99lI8M3U/hgNDOjzavslQkkJos8i/Mo9=
iwr
4ZQzy/Mj24o9HpqJE5PYSYRve6Hv+DQWScIdR3gRjz3mmwkVFrGtcMQdWQ/nABPYokxZg2Vts=
Qb/
tTW4qtnk9YjAf3/+b3LCZeN9vDh/OP9O/of86U9EPApGjo+7Bj0+HsPbwQqOj+O0gMInrM0Ij=
NC6
...
l8/2VvB9zqxSt96OICMHRB9IWX1JV/urOHKj3Gywp4zs2GYk6xCjV9Gj8EgGvoJnVz5ir0UUS=
yQP
J0xA9vPYWzkkg7WQkoHdeEZC0K6S63NDGOkWJ8oGa+q4JtixCYzWoNgmkUICPcoJm0tk7/kmP=
LeU
9m9DPa5n87SzlkYwAgnuFAg3qMu5+fMXL43VqOTE5ooEb5xE1fI5qZKhKQxmLoUn2kUdKsRnb=
2Ce
dqMJiXiwp9QBY6V7/+CQhTZ3xhU55+j45AKvAVJlhg0/j93GxKv1byXXttuvz08/DBC31kVpB=
jXc
He9+Vn8FeXfT2HD1eeXwflOkxnSBV5ptrVp3UdfjryP4ntx/adyFHpjsPk71XnlCkJCQH7kHL=
8nE
R2NdYEJGJ02VI8iopE4moN5Q5CalSE6OCdQX1FPcyj63gs+41KzmA6qK9ITVBObnta8n7nazn=
rxk
wPKol4OTt5VgWhCJ1B9JEMZRiwRrAFHU2ASlRNv/A5ufsaKE9AAA
CTM_MAIL END 59353

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---

How do I save the attached file?

Thanks in advance,

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Good day,

> I use Pine for a long time and I have no problems with attached files
> based on MIME types. Today I received a message with an attached file (I
> presume) and it looks like:

The file is "uuencoded".  

Save the file as a text file.  Ensure that the first line is
 
CTM_MAIL BEGIN ports-cur.3738.gz 1 1

and the last line is

CTM_MAIL END 59353

If you are using a Unix system, use "uudecode" to decode the file.

If you are using WinXX then "WinZip" is a good choice.

Ed


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Hi,

Ok. Now I understand it and I can access the attached file. Anyway if the
attachment were on MIME, then Pine should see attached file, isn't it?

Other question: generaly when we sent a message with a binary attach the
file is enconded in Base64 or something like it. Does the
Uuencode/Uudecode and Base64 the same?

Thanks in advance,



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On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Good day,
>
> > I use Pine for a long time and I have no problems with attached files
> > based on MIME types. Today I received a message with an attached file=
 (I
> > presume) and it looks like:
>
> The file is "uuencoded".
>
> Save the file as a text file.  Ensure that the first line is
>
> CTM_MAIL BEGIN ports-cur.3738.gz 1 1
>
> and the last line is
>
> CTM_MAIL END 59353
>
> If you are using a Unix system, use "uudecode" to decode the file.
>
> If you are using WinXX then "WinZip" is a good choice.
>
> Ed
>
>


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Hello,

> Ok. Now I understand it and I can access the attached file. Anyway if the
> attachment were on MIME, then Pine should see attached file, isn't it?

Yes, that's right.

> Other question: generaly when we sent a message with a binary attach the
> file is enconded in Base64 or something like it. Does the
> Uuencode/Uudecode and Base64 the same?

They are similar, but not the same.  As a matter of fact, there is more than one version of uuencoding.  This was one of the reasons
that it wasn't chosen as an encoding method when MIME was developed.  That is, uuencode doesn't have a "standard" while Base64 does.

Regards,

Ed

----
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                                   Syntegra Asia Region


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Hi,

Thanks for your great help.

I have downloaded the RCFs related to MIME to learn more about it.

Bye,

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On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Hello,
>
> > Ok. Now I understand it and I can access the attached file. Anyway if=
 the
> > attachment were on MIME, then Pine should see attached file, isn't it=
?
>
> Yes, that's right.
>
> > Other question: generaly when we sent a message with a binary attach =
the
> > file is enconded in Base64 or something like it. Does the
> > Uuencode/Uudecode and Base64 the same?
>
> They are similar, but not the same.  As a matter of fact, there is more=
 than one version of uuencoding.  This was one of the reasons
> that it wasn't chosen as an encoding method when MIME was developed.  T=
hat is, uuencode doesn't have a "standard" while Base64 does.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed
>
> ----
> Edward M. Greshko                  Technical Manager
>                                    Syntegra Asia Region
>
>


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I'm in a situation where pine can't connect..

I get
              [Unable to create TCP socket: Protocol not supported]

(But many other TCP programs _are_ working..)

Apparently pine is asking for a protocol # that's messed up in my current
config..

But even weirder, once pine is in this situation, only "q" seems
to do anything... for example, hitting ? says:
           [Command "?" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]

This is pine 4.33.

1) is there some hacky way, without recompiling, I can get out of this
situation?  (it's some NetInfo file problem and I have tried various
solutions.)

But mostly I wanted to just mention how pine can get into a very weird zombie
state when it can't make the initial connection.

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*** Matt Ackeret (mattack@area.com) wrote in the pine-info list today:

:) But even weirder, once pine is in this situation, only "q" seems
:) to do anything... for example, hitting ? says:
:)            [Command "?" not defined for this screen. Use ? for help]
:)
:) 1) is there some hacky way, without recompiling, I can get out of this
:) situation?  (it's some NetInfo file problem and I have tried various
:) solutions.)

Matt,

Make sure that you have enabled both of the following features:

        use-subshell-for-suspend,
        enable-suspend,

and press ^Z, then come back to pine, by writing "exit" in the shell
created by Pine. The problem is that Pine is confused about the screen
that it's supposed to be displaying (e.g Pine may think that is displaying
the folder screen when it is actually displaying the index). In this
situation almost no commands work. I am surprised to see that at least one
command is working.

-- 
Eduardo
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Hello to all,

I'd like to know how do I send messages secured by PGP and based on
RFC2015 with Pine for the content types:

application/pgp-encrypted
application/pgp-signature
application/pgp-keys

I'm using PGP4Pine with no problems but I'd like to know if the right use
of mail with PGP should follow the RFC2015 document.

Other question: Does Pine RFC2015 compatible? Does RFC2015 is that
important?


Thanks very much,

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Issue #1) PC-PINE is confused by something in my read message box and will
not open it!  First it says something about

[Invalid UID 00000153 in message 336, rebuilding UIDs]

(it says this for 3-4 messages)

then it says something about "unable to parse internal header" (I can't
read the rest because it doesn't stay around long enough)

So I now cannot read any of the messages in my 'read' mailbox!

How can I solve this?  I have several hundred messages in there that I
need to be able to get at!!!




Larger Issue #2) I have now discovered, much to my horror and dismay, that
PC-PINE (unlike Unix pine) does not store my email messages in plain text,
but in some proprietary format that does not allow me to open my 'read'
mailbox in a text editor and see the text.  WHY IS THAT?!?!??!  Can I make
PC-PINE use regular flat files?


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Well I split the mailbox using sed, formail and procmail, and now have
access to my messages again....

Is there NO way to force PC-PINE to use regular flat files?  (Performance
is not as critical to me as not being locked out of my mailbox ever
again!)


> Larger Issue #2) I have now discovered, much to my horror and dismay, that
> PC-PINE (unlike Unix pine) does not store my email messages in plain text,
> but in some proprietary format that does not allow me to open my 'read'
> mailbox in a text editor and see the text.  WHY IS THAT?!?!??!  Can I make
> PC-PINE use regular flat files?


Thanks
Tim



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*** Nuno Teixeira (nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) wrote on Apr 27, 2001:

:) I'd like to know how do I send messages secured by PGP and based on
:) RFC2015 with Pine for the content types:
:)
:) application/pgp-encrypted
:) application/pgp-signature
:) application/pgp-keys

Dear Nuno,

You can't. There's no way to do this with Pine today.

:) I'm using PGP4Pine with no problems but I'd like to know if the right use
:) of mail with PGP should follow the RFC2015 document.

Everything depends on how you define "right". The common thing I've seen
is that people send encrypted messages or signatures in the body of the
message and that's where software like pgp4pine comes in. My intuition
tells me that it's not the case that people use this method of
communication too much today in the form that you are suggesting, so
probably as of today, using pgp4pine is a good option.

:) Other question: Does Pine RFC2015 compatible? Does RFC2015 is that
:) important?

No, Pine does not know the encodings you mention, so receiving messages
with those encodings must be a pain to read today.

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Hello Family,

In my address book one can do a "list" and do multiple address
selections, is there a way to do that with files ? I just had to
seperately select 10 files from one dir, it seems like I'm missing
something here.

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*** Bill Schoolcraft (bill@wiliweld.com) wrote today:

:) In my address book one can do a "list" and do multiple address
:) selections, is there a way to do that with files ? I just had to
:) seperately select 10 files from one dir, it seems like I'm missing
:) something here.

Hello Bill,

  There's no way to do what you want. You can try attaching the files from
the command line of tar and compress the files before you start the
process of attaching the files, but other than that, there's no way to do
it. I would also like to see this feature included in Pine some day.

-- 
Eduardo
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Hi, everybody
	I always get an error message "[Mail not sent. Sending error: 553 You are not authorized to send mail", even if I have set the smtp-sever to "smtp.my.isp/user=myname" and provided the correct password, why?

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HMJ

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From: Nancy McGough <nm-this-address-is-valid@no.sp.am>
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Subject: Re: PC/PINE will not open my mailbox, help!
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--On Saturday, 28 April, 2001 Timothy Luoma wrote:
> Well I split the mailbox using sed, formail and procmail, and now
> have access to my messages again....
>
> Is there NO way to force PC-PINE to use regular flat files?
> (Performance is not as critical to me as not being locked out of my
> mailbox ever again!)
>
>> Larger Issue #2) I have now discovered, much to my horror and
>> dismay, that PC-PINE (unlike Unix pine) does not store my email
>> messages in plain text, but in some proprietary format that does
>> not allow me to open my 'read' mailbox in a text editor and see
>> the text.  WHY IS THAT?!?!??!  Can I make PC-PINE use regular flat
>> files?


I've had the same frustrations you've had Tim and I refuse to use MBX 
mailboxes until there are tools (for both Unix and Windows) to 
*easily* fix a corrupted MBX mailbox. Another problem with MBX 
mailboxes is that you cannot use any of the tools that assume your 
local mailboxes are in Unix mbox format, for example grepmail (which 
is amazingly cool BTW) and Mulberry [+]. Mulberry -- like all IMAP 
clients -- can access MBX mailboxes using IMAP though. The way that I 
ensure my mailboxes are in Unix mbox format is to:

1) Mainly store my mailboxes on a UW IMAP server that defaults to use 
Unix mbox format.

2) If I need a mailbox on my PC for some reason (e.g. I want to 
access it when I'm offline), I ftp the mailbox from the Unix system 
to my PC.

3) Use Cygwin Pine which defaults to creating local mailboxes in Unix 
mbox format. [+]

4) If I need to create a local mailbox with PC-Pine, I specify the 
mailbox name like this:

     #driver.unix\relative\path\to\mailbox

where the path is relative to %HOME%. Or like this

     #driver.unix\\full\path\to\mailbox

where the full path is on the current drive (usually C:). Or like this

     #driver.unix\D:\full\path\to\mailbox

where the full path is on D drive.

As you can imagine, this is a pain when you want to create a mailbox 
in a /really/long/directory/path/that/is/not/relative/to/HOME. 
Unfortunately, #driver.unix is not aware of the current folder 
collection and gives a message like this

 [Folder "#driver.unix\mailbox" created outside current collection]

if you try to add a mailbox to the current collection.


REQUEST TO PINE DEVELOPERS
==========================
* Have "#driver.unix\relative\path\to\mailbox" be relative to the 
current  collection rather than %HOME%.

* Add a variable to Pine that lets a PC-Pine user specify the default 
mailbox format. I tried doing this:

   disable-these-drivers=mbx

but that didn't work.

* Add information to the Pine web site about #driver.unix. If it's 
already there, change the search engine so that when you do a search 
for "driver.unix", the relevant pages show up. Maybe this is just a 
matter of telling users how to escape a period in the PIC search 
engine???


QUESTION
========
Does anyone know where I can find a precompiled version of UW IMAP 
for Cygwin? This way I could use mbxcopy and mbxcvt to convert MBX 
mailboxes on my PC to Unix mbox format. Also I could access and 
create all my local PC mailboxes using UW IMAP and thus they would 
default to being in Unix mbox format.


Thanks,
Nancy
posted & cc'd

[+] For info about grepmail, Cygwin Pine, a comparison of Pine & 
Mulberry, and lots more Pine info, see

     http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/


-- 
Nancy McGough          http://www.ii.com          Infinite Ink
---== Sent via Mulberry 2.1a5: GUI IMAP for Mac/Win/Unix ==---


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If you're using Pine under UNIX, enable the UNIX pipe command,
then create a script to process it.  You might want to use munpack
to unpack the MIME.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>*** Nuno Teixeira (nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) wrote on Apr 27, 2001:
>
>:) I'd like to know how do I send messages secured by PGP and based on
>:) RFC2015 with Pine for the content types:
>:)
>:) application/pgp-encrypted
>:) application/pgp-signature
>:) application/pgp-keys
>
>Dear Nuno,
>
>You can't. There's no way to do this with Pine today.
>
>:) I'm using PGP4Pine with no problems but I'd like to know if the right use
>:) of mail with PGP should follow the RFC2015 document.
>
>Everything depends on how you define "right". The common thing I've seen
>is that people send encrypted messages or signatures in the body of the
>message and that's where software like pgp4pine comes in. My intuition
>tells me that it's not the case that people use this method of
>communication too much today in the form that you are suggesting, so
>probably as of today, using pgp4pine is a good option.
>
>:) Other question: Does Pine RFC2015 compatible? Does RFC2015 is that
>:) important?
>
>No, Pine does not know the encodings you mention, so receiving messages
>with those encodings must be a pain to read today.
>
>-- 
>Eduardo
>http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
>


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From: Bill Schoolcraft <bill@wiliweld.com>
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Subject: <program name unknows>: error while loading shared...
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Hello Family,

This is a first, EVER. In loading PINE on Mandrake-8.0 (Linux) and
using PINE fine for quite some time I tried to attach a file. I
tried a file, an image, everything, and received this error before
PINE crashed, which is also a first for me:

<begin_error>

<program name unknown>: error while loading shared libraries: <main
program>: undefined symbol: stat

</begin_error>

This now leaves me with my favorite email program working fine
except for attachments. All my co-workers are yelling MUTT and I'm
quite happy with PINE.

Any ideas ?

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

Thanks for your great help. Now I understand better this subject.

Bye,

- --
Nuno Teixeira
Dir. T=E9cnico
pt-quorum.com

On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Michael D. Walker wrote:

> If you're using Pine under UNIX, enable the UNIX pipe command,
> then create a script to process it.  You might want to use munpack
> to unpack the MIME.
>
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> >*** Nuno Teixeira (nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) wrote on Apr 27, 2=
001:
> >
> >:) I'd like to know how do I send messages secured by PGP and based on
> >:) RFC2015 with Pine for the content types:
> >:)
> >:) application/pgp-encrypted
> >:) application/pgp-signature
> >:) application/pgp-keys
> >
> >Dear Nuno,
> >
> >You can't. There's no way to do this with Pine today.
> >
> >:) I'm using PGP4Pine with no problems but I'd like to know if the rig=
ht use
> >:) of mail with PGP should follow the RFC2015 document.
> >
> >Everything depends on how you define "right". The common thing I've se=
en
> >is that people send encrypted messages or signatures in the body of th=
e
> >message and that's where software like pgp4pine comes in. My intuition
> >tells me that it's not the case that people use this method of
> >communication too much today in the form that you are suggesting, so
> >probably as of today, using pgp4pine is a good option.
> >
> >:) Other question: Does Pine RFC2015 compatible? Does RFC2015 is that
> >:) important?
> >
> >No, Pine does not know the encodings you mention, so receiving message=
s
> >with those encodings must be a pain to read today.
> >
> >--
> >Eduardo
> >http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
> >
>
>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP 6.5.8
Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76

iQA/AwUBOuy55o8HcgpjoE/HEQJ0xQCggAZHPHkWHdJAoM2qNBgejUUQ94UAoIW9
+2iygEsdobDpu7FTCitjVPY0
=3DKKAE
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From: Matt_Domsch@Dell.com
To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FW: pine 4.33 whitespace breakage
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Resending, as I wasn't subscribed to pine-info the first time round.

-----Original Message-----
From: Domsch, Matt 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:05 AM
To: pine@cac.washington.edu
Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu; mharris@redhat.com
Subject: pine 4.33 whitespace breakage


This is a bug report against Pine 4.33 as found in Red Hat Linux 7.1,
pine-4.33-8, running on an i386-based platform.

I've run into strange case where pine, when sending mail, mangles
whitespace, in this case, inside of a patch.  Attached are
several files.  patch-before-pine.gz contains the patch as extracted by
diff -bu (compressed for this message to ensure it says the same, but was
included in the message body as text when sent).  patch-after-pine.gz
contains the patch as exported from pine after being sent/received.

In looking at a diff of the hex dump, you'll see that
\n[space]\n[space*7]\n got merged into \n\n\n.  This causes the
patch, when received, to fail to apply.

-0000150   s   [   3   ]   )   )   ;  \n      \n
-0000160      \n   +                           s   c   s   i   _   s   e
+0000150   s   [   3   ]   )   )   ;  \n  \n  \n   +
+0000160       s   c   s   i   _   s   e   t   _   p   c   i   _   d   e


I'd appreciate someone looking into this matter.

Thanks,
Matt

-- 
Matt Domsch
Sr. Software Engineer
Dell Linux Systems Group
Linux OS Development
www.dell.com/linux



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Hello to all,

I'd like to know if it is possible to view (list) the sent-mail folder
with the "To" instead of "From" tag, or see the both tags.

The "From" tag is important to an incoming email and a "To" tag is
important to a sent email organization.


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Subject: Re: Sent-Mail: "To" instead of "From"
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*** Nuno Teixeira (nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) wrote in the pine-info...:

:) Hello to all,
:)
:) I'd like to know if it is possible to view (list) the sent-mail folder
:) with the "To" instead of "From" tag, or see the both tags.

Go to your configuration screen and change your index-format. There is
help there to tell you what to do, if you have not changed it, then it
means that you you are using the default, in whose case I would recommend
that you add your own e-mail address to the "alt-addresseses"
configuration option.

-- 
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/

