From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 00:38:22 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g817cM2P027455 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:38:22 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 00:38:21 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g817cF07018905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:38:15 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g817bSk6034860; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:37:28 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g817Z897072398 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:35:08 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 00:35:07 2002 -0700 Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g817Z7s8032538 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:35:07 -0700 Received: from 213-78-86-218.friaco.onetel.net.uk ([213.78.86.218]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AKE08625; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:33:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:43:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Flag messages as not-new when put into sent-items In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Technical Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 31 Aug 2002 Gopi Sundaram (gopalan@cs.sc.edu) wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Richard Reed wrote: > > > I'm using Pine 4.44, and don't want the messages that I have written > > to be flagged as 'new' in the sent-items folder. > > Set the Fcc: to your INBOX. Then, add a filter to move messages that > are From: you in the INBOX to the sent-mail folder, and in the filter > action, unset the New flag. Or wait for 4.50, which has this option. -- Nancy McGough Infinite Ink From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 04:12:27 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g81BCR2P001289 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:12:27 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 04:12:26 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81BCPEN022129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:12:26 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81BBb0j031092; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:11:37 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81B9o97112680 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:09:51 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 04:09:50 2002 -0700 Received: from infiniverse.dyndns.org (rdu163-44-102.nc.rr.com [24.163.44.102]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81B9nbq012135 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 04:09:50 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (ns.reed.home [192.168.1.3]) by infiniverse.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BA34AC57 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 07:09:44 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Richard Reed To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Flag messages as not-new when put into sent-items In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-To: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 9/1/02 3:43 AM, "Nancy McGough" wrote: > On 31 Aug 2002 Gopi Sundaram (gopalan@cs.sc.edu) wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Richard Reed wrote: >> >>> I'm using Pine 4.44, and don't want the messages that I have written >>> to be flagged as 'new' in the sent-items folder. >> >> Set the Fcc: to your INBOX. Then, add a filter to move messages that >> are From: you in the INBOX to the sent-mail folder, and in the filter >> action, unset the New flag. > > Or wait for 4.50, which has this option. I dare not ask when that's slated to arrive... ;) -Rich From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 07:40:53 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g81Eeq2P008934 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:40:52 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 07:40:46 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81EekEN025709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:40:46 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81EdoOm083556; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:39:51 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81EbT97056028 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:37:29 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 07:37:28 2002 -0700 Received: from gilmore.ael.be (gilmore.ael.be [158.64.60.71]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81EbRR8021231 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:37:28 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.ael.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971F3173465 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gilmore.ael.be (Postfix, from userid 519) id 6CC9A173465; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.ael.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6846B17F405 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:09 +0200 (CEST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Alexandre Dulaunoy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Message-ID creation and configuration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailbox-Line: From adulau@foo.be Sun Sep 1 16:37:09 2002 X-X-Sender: adulau-conos@gilmore.ael.be X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dear All, Is there a way to change the prefix generated by pine for the Message-ID ? The prefix is generally composed of Pine.[plaform].[version].[id]@FQDN Is there a directive in the configuration for doing that ? I didn't see anything in the FAQ about that. The purpose of that is to hide the MUA in use in our internal network and to provide an unified prefix id from our network (for some Header check in the backend MTA). If it's not available, do you plan to add this feature ? Thanks. adulau -- Alexandre Dulaunoy -- http://www.foo.be/ 3B12 DCC2 82FA 2931 2F5B 709A 09E2 CD49 44E6 CBCD --- AD993-6BONE "People who fight may lose. People who not fight have already lost." Bertolt Brecht -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 12:11:59 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g81JBx2P013343 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:11:59 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 12:11:58 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81JBpEN029889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:11:51 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81JAqk6019256; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:10:52 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g81J7r97157420 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:07:53 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 12:07:53 2002 -0700 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g81J7qs8031557 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:07:52 -0700 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA22800; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.71]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA17966; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cutter-john.mit.edu (CUTTER-JOHN.MIT.EDU [18.187.1.62]) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA17948; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jmorzins@localhost) by cutter-john.mit.edu (8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15248; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:07:50 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 15:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jacob Morzinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Message-ID creation and configuration In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Alexandre Dulaunoy X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Alexandre Dulaunoy wrote: > Is there a way to change the prefix generated by pine for the > Message-ID A cursory search through the source found the function generate_message_id() in pine/reply.c, which contains: sprintf(id,"", It doesn't look like there is any config-file variable, but if you compile your own Pine you could simply alter this format string. Sincerely, Jacob Morzinski jmorzins@mit.edu From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 18:32:02 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g821W12P019854 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:32:02 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 18:32:01 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g821W0EN003560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:32:00 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g821Nm4G014934; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:23:49 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g821MO97040458 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:22:24 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 18:22:23 2002 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g821MNJX020302 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:22:23 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 18:22:22 2002 -0700 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g821MLEM003424 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:22:21 -0700 Received: from Ojuroejo ([63.188.1.188]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020902012157.GXOQ310.out006.verizon.net@Ojuroejo> for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:21:57 -0500 Message-Id: <20020902012157.GXOQ310.out006.verizon.net@Ojuroejo> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:22:20 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: gray To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PLUGINSPAGE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=NLM5845rCk802IAL45n0a8X27Ie41s8O9eg X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello, a message sent to by with the subject PLUGINSPAGE was scanned and found to contain a virus called "Exploit-MIME.gen.exe" . The infected part of the message was Cleaned and Quarantined before delivery to user. . -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 22:04:47 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8254l2P023384 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:04:47 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 22:04:46 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8254aEN006895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:04:36 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g82528k6020746; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:02:08 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g824xm97052818 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:59:48 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 21:59:48 2002 -0700 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g824xZJX008497 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:59:47 -0700 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-247.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.247]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:59:23 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3927B2677D; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:01:02 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:01:34 +0800 (WST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bret Busby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: cert (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Can someone please explain why my messages are being interpreted as an unknown character set, when I forward messages from the CERT? As far as I am aware, the CERT advisories are in plain text format, as viewing them indicates nothing else, and I have my settings configured for plain text. Anything other than plain text foramt, is usually prefaced by a message indicating that it is of another character set (eg ISO 8859-1). I have my character set, set as US-ASCII, to ensure that outgoing messages are sent in plain text, but get the following occurring. I have deleted the email address of the person who sent me the error message, and, the To: address, to which I had sent the message. Thanks in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:17:50 +0800 To: "Bret Busby " Subject: cert Bret, Your CERT mail was in an unknown character set - can you check your settings. Anne Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by webperth.power.net.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id QR69KDWC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:20:47 +0800 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-183.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.183]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:20:24 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C832677D; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:22:02 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:22:31 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby To: Subject: CERT Summary CS-2002-03 (fwd) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-unknown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by courier 0.37.2 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:39:39 -0400 From: CERT Advisory To: cert-advisory@cert.org Subject: CERT Summary CS-2002-03 ................................................. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun Sep 1 22:05:33 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8255W2P023431 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:05:32 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 22:05:31 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8255REN006914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:05:27 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g825330j032806; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:03:03 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8252b97052860 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:02:37 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 01 22:02:36 2002 -0700 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8252UR8013492 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:02:36 -0700 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-247.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.247]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:02:23 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B672677D; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:03:33 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:04:06 +0800 (WST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bret Busby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PLUGINSPAGE In-Reply-To: <20020902012157.GXOQ310.out006.verizon.net@Ojuroejo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , gray X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, gray wrote: > Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:22:20 -0500 > From: gray > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: PLUGINSPAGE > [NON-Text Body part not included] What is this about? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 2 00:21:04 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g827L32P026858 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:21:04 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 02 00:21:02 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g827L207009907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:21:02 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g827Jd0j014920; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:19:40 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8272C97112868 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:02:12 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 02 00:02:12 2002 -0700 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8272Bs8004307 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:02:11 -0700 Received: from 213-78-72-76.friaco.onetel.net.uk (213-78-72-76.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.72.76]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AKK94074; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:01:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:11:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: cert (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 2 Sep 2002 Bret Busby (bret@busby.net) wrote: > > I have my character set, set as US-ASCII, to ensure that outgoing > messages are sent in plain text, but get the following occurring. I don't what's wrong with the cert message but if you read Pine's Help on character-set, you'll see that setting it to US-ASCII does not ensure that messages are sent in plain text. Here's the relevant excerpt: OPTION: Character-Set [...] If this option is not set and the message text you are sending or any text attachments are found to contain non US-ASCII (or "8-bit") characters, then Pine will label the text as "X-UNKNOWN". So it seems likely that there is an 8-bit character in the message and I recommend that you set character-set to whatever is the character coding that you use for most of your correspondence. For example, if you usually correspond in a Western European language, such as English, you will probably set it to ISO-8859-1, which is also known as 揑SO Latin 1. I discuss character-set here And on my main Pine page, I have this Pine wish: * Clean up the way the character-set variable works in Pine. At a minimum, tell the user if a message she is about to send will be labeled as something other than US-ASCII. That and my other Pine wishes are here: HTH, Nancy -- Nancy McGough Infinite Ink From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Mon Sep 2 02:11:43 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g829Bg2P029434 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:11:42 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 02 02:11:41 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g829BU07011662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:11:31 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g828kB4G015600; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:46:11 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g828id97073232 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:44:39 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 02 01:44:39 2002 -0700 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g828iQR8006589 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:44:38 -0700 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-171.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.171]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:44:23 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF382677D; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:47:51 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:48:24 +0800 (WST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bret Busby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: cert (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Nancy McGough wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:11:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > From: Nancy McGough > Subject: Re: cert (fwd) > > On 2 Sep 2002 Bret Busby (bret@busby.net) wrote: > > > > I have my character set, set as US-ASCII, to ensure that outgoing > > messages are sent in plain text, but get the following occurring. > > I don't what's wrong with the cert message but if you read Pine's > Help on character-set, you'll see that setting it to US-ASCII > does not ensure that messages are sent in plain text. Here's the > relevant excerpt: > > > OPTION: Character-Set > > [...] > If this option is not set and the message text you are sending or > any text attachments are found to contain non US-ASCII (or > "8-bit") characters, then Pine will label the text as > "X-UNKNOWN". > > > So it seems likely that there is an 8-bit character in the > message and I recommend that you set character-set to whatever is > the character coding that you use for most of your > correspondence. For example, if you usually correspond in a > Western European language, such as English, you will probably set > it to ISO-8859-1, which is also known as 揑SO Latin 1. I discuss > character-set here > Thanks, Nancy. Deleted US-ASCII from character setting; it defaulted to ISO 8859-1 (help page said that it would default to US-ASCII (?) ), set it to that, and I have just received confirmation that it worked okay. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... 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From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 4 12:45:17 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g84JjH2P029178 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:45:17 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 04 12:45:12 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g84JjBEN025210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:45:12 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g84Jgc0j015036; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:42:38 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g84JeF97049844 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:40:19 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 04 12:40:14 2002 -0700 Received: from techunix.technion.ac.il (techunix.technion.ac.il [132.68.1.28]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g84JeAJX023795 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:40:14 -0700 Received: from ae-xfv0dyu5qjt6 (unknown [132.68.252.29]) by techunix.technion.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B93F1538C for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:40:05 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:40:45 +0200 (Jerusalem Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Micha Wolfshtein To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: save problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: aer0902@aerodyne.technion.ac.il X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I am facing a strange problem which I do not understand. Perhaps somebody can help? THE PROBLEM: I try to save a message in a mail folder. I press "S" and then choose or type a folder name and press OK. Pine issues the following line: Message to save shrank #12 1538 --> 0 Then it tells me that teh save operation failed. Any help? Micha Wolfshtein Faculty of Aerospace Engineering, Technion Tel 972 4 8292309 Fax 972 4 8231848 E-mail aer0902@aerodyne.technion.ac.il ----------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Wed Sep 4 16:48:32 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g84NmW2P008261 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:48:32 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 04 16:48:31 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g84NmQ07002448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:48:27 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g84NlO4G017536; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:47:24 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g84Njo97054742 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:45:50 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 04 16:45:49 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g84Njns8014116 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:45:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 1164 invoked by uid 1828); 4 Sep 2002 23:45:49 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This is with pine 4.33 So it's a spam message, thus I don't want to see it anyway (except to complain about it).. But I was wondering why it wasn't showing the text content.. Here's a bit of the header and what I see: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary = "--bfc992a0200916ebb07c4700103223da0" [ Part 1, Text/PLAIN 87 lines. ] [ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ] There is only one part, and I double-checked, I do have prefer plain text turned on in the configuration. But why is it not showing this to me? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 5 08:00:10 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g85F0A2P029445 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:00:10 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 08:00:09 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85F0807020625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:00:08 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Ewu0j030988; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:58:57 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Eug97034018 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:56:42 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 07:56:41 2002 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (nimbus.anzio.com [66.129.212.98]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85Eues8006063 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:56:41 -0700 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (nimbus.anzio.com [66.129.212.98]) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g85Et0W1016329 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:55:00 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Handling of apostrophes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN When Pine (4.42, on Linux) displays a message that contains both an HTML part and a plainteext part, it tries to parse the HTML part, to some degree. In doing so, if it finds '&' character entities that it can't handle, it displays them in numeric form. A common problem I see is with apostrophes and "smart quotes", such as in messages created with Microsoft Word. These render in numeric form, and really impede readability. A simple suggestion for Pine: have it maintain a very short list of fallback characters, starting with the 4 or so smart quote characters, and display normal quotes in these cases. You can't solve ALL the problems, but you can solve the most common and annoying ones. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 5 09:00:42 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g85G0f2P031730 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:00:41 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 09:00:41 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85G0a07022492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:00:37 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Fxa4G022530; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:59:37 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Fvq97083752 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:57:52 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 08:57:52 2002 -0700 Received: from mail.isg.siue.edu (mail.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85FvpR8018055 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:57:51 -0700 Received: from WEBSHIELD1.isg.siue.edu (webshield1.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.149]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17773 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:57:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: FROM mail.isg.siue.edu BY WEBSHIELD1.isg.siue.edu ; Thu Sep 05 10:57:47 2002 -0500 Received: from cougar (cougar [146.163.5.29]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17688 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:57:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:57:40 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: The Teach To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Setting up the URL browser (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ababion@cougar.isg.siue.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I am using PCPine 4.4 on my computer. I want to use Netscape to activate URLs. Although the path for netscape.exe is listed in my configuration, Pine insists on loading Explore, but does not insert the URL. I have to copy/paste the URL into the location bar. Any suggestions on how to get the URL to pop up in Netscape and find automatically? alex babione -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 5 13:53:36 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g85KrZ2P011354 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:53:35 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 13:53:35 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85KrOEN030651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:53:25 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Kno4G016808; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:49:51 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Klp97072328 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:47:51 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 13:47:51 2002 -0700 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85KloR8017431 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:47:50 -0700 Received: from autopub.psc.bellhow.com (autopub.psc.bellhow.com [165.215.212.16]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10072 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by autopub.psc.bellhow.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15183 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: How do I make Pine use LDAP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: autopub.psc.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@autopub.psc.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Everyone else uses OutLook, but the company-wide addressbook is accessible through LDAP. I just configure the fully qualified domain name of the company LDAP server into Netscape Preferences and it does look ups for me (so I can use Netscape to look up addresses and type them into pine, but ...!). When I configure a new Global AddressBook in Pine (4.21 on Solaris) and then try to use it to look up an address, I get [Error opening/creating address book {ldap.company.com}] After I entered the list address into this message, Pine asked me for my username and password and then reported that same error, adding "". Anonymous look ups will return a hundred matches, which is probably all I'll ever need, but I don't know how to tell Pine to do anonymous lookups. So, I have tried putting my Windows NT domain name backslash my username in when Pine asks for username (domain\me) and end up with the same result. So, Help, please, with How do I tell Pine to do anonymous LDAP? or How do I get Windows NT domain\user authentication to go through Solaris Pine? and How do I tell Pine not to look everything up in the global addressbook so I don't have to go through the authentication step *all* the time? dan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 5 15:47:52 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g85Mlq2P016642 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:47:52 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 15:47:51 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85Mlo07004382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:47:50 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85Mju4G028218; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:45:56 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85MhS97141982 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:43:29 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 15:43:27 2002 -0700 Received: from mule.its.vu.edu.au (mule.its.vu.edu.AU [140.159.30.9]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85MhPbr009651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:43:27 -0700 Received: from centaur.its.vu.edu.au (centaur.its.vu.edu.au [140.159.60.107]) by mule.its.vu.edu.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g85Mgxms022769; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:42:59 +1000 Received: from cerberus.its.vu.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by centaur.its.vu.edu.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85Mfdc23156; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:41:39 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:42:59 +1000 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Stewart James To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: How do I make Pine use LDAP? In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: stewart@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Global address books (at least in my copy of pine 4.44) are for globally accessable IMAP address books. For LDAP you need to go into Main Menu -> Setup -> Directory which will probably only be there if you have ldap compiled into pine, once in there you sound like you'll know the fields its asking for. Cheers, Stewart On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) > From: daniel lance herrick > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: How do I make Pine use LDAP? > > Everyone else uses OutLook, but the company-wide > addressbook is accessible through LDAP. > > I just configure the fully qualified domain name > of the company LDAP server into Netscape > Preferences and it does look ups for me (so I can > use Netscape to look up addresses and type them > into pine, but ...!). > > When I configure a new Global AddressBook in Pine > (4.21 on Solaris) and then try to use it to look > up an address, I get > > [Error opening/creating address book {ldap.company.com}] > > After I entered the list address into this > message, Pine asked me for my username and > password and then reported that same error, > adding "". > > Anonymous look ups will return a hundred matches, > which is probably all I'll ever need, but I don't > know how to tell Pine to do anonymous lookups. > > So, I have tried putting my Windows NT domain name > backslash my username in when Pine asks for > username (domain\me) and end up with the same > result. > > So, Help, please, with > > How do I tell Pine to do anonymous LDAP? > or > How do I get Windows NT domain\user > authentication to go through Solaris Pine? > > and > > How do I tell Pine not to look everything up in > the global addressbook so I don't have to go > through the authentication step *all* the time? > > dan > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Thu Sep 5 15:51:06 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g85Mp52P016821 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:51:05 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 15:51:05 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85Mp0EN002268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:51:00 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85MoE4G028240; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:50:14 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g85MnW97029290 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:49:32 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 05 15:49:31 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g85MnVs8022575 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:49:31 -0700 Received: from eng-23.pacdigital (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A5948786 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: How do I make Pine use LDAP? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@eng-23.pacdigital X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Stewart James wrote: > For LDAP you need to go into Main Menu -> Setup -> Directory which will > probably only be there if you have ldap compiled into pine, once in there > you sound like you'll know the fields its asking for. No, there's more to it than that. Thanks anyway .... -Kenny, also trying to get authenticated access to LDAP via Pine -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home: 3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (888) 454-8181 Work: 2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905 (949) 252-1111 X240 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 6 02:19:15 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g869JE2P031585 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:19:14 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 02:19:10 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g869J907018324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:19:10 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g869I64G019994; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:18:07 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g869GN97113290 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:16:23 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 02:16:22 2002 -0700 Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g869GLR8021548 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:16:22 -0700 Received: from 213-78-85-9.friaco.onetel.net.uk (213-78-85-9.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.85.9]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AKV15217; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:14:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:25:55 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Nancy McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Setting up the URL browser (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Message-Flag: Worried about Outlook viruses? Switch to Mac/Unix/PC Pine! Info @ www.ii.com X-X-Sender: nancy@imap.iecc.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 5 Sep 2002 The Teach (ababion@siue.edu) wrote: > > I am using PCPine 4.4 on my computer. I want to use Netscape to > activate URLs. Although the path for netscape.exe is listed in my > configuration, Pine insists on loading Explore, but does not insert > the URL. I have to copy/paste the URL into the location bar. The easiest way is to set up your Windows system so that Netscape is the default web browser. Then leave the PC-Pine url-viewers variable set to . I discuss this, and a lot more, here: HTH, Nancy -- Nancy McGough Infinite Ink From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 6 10:27:49 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g86HRm2P013520 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:27:48 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 10:27:47 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g86HRg07030197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:27:43 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g86HQMOm092396; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:26:22 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g86HLd97123882 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:39 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 10:21:39 2002 -0700 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g86HLcR8018649 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:38 -0700 Received: from eng-23.pacdigital (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B171C98436 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463790076-269864640-1031332889=:16491" X-X-Sender: kenny@eng-23.pacdigital X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. 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---1463790076-269864640-1031332889=:16491-- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Fri Sep 6 13:45:43 2002 -0700 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g86Kjg2P022036 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:45:42 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 13:45:42 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g86Kjb07005196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:45:38 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g86KiN4G024654; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:44:23 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g86KdD97029188 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:39:13 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 06 13:39:12 2002 -0700 Received: from smtp1.ias.edu (smtp1.ias.edu [192.16.204.22]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g86KdAs8030226 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:39:11 -0700 Received: from yttrium.net.ias.edu (yttrium.net.ias.edu [198.138.241.39]) by smtp1.ias.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g86Kc1pF010062 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pico.admin.ias.edu ([198.138.242.10]) by yttrium.net.ias.edu (NAVGW 2.5.2.9) with SMTP id M2002090616342200330 ; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:34:22 -0400 Received: by PICO with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:39:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9B3CEA6AE680D41190DB00508B0EA5DC01B76463@PICO> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:39:05 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Hong Tian To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: folder list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: "'htian@ias.edu'" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I have an email file on /home/peter/dave_email_file. I can use "pine -f dave_email_file" to process the email. Now I add a folder list named dave_email on Pine. The question is how to link /home/peter/dave_email_file to the folder list dave_email? I want to read the dave's email on FOLDER LIST by Pine instead of typing command "pine -f". Thanks, Hong -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g883sg2P030606 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:54:42 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 07 20:54:41 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g883sV07009761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:54:32 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g883mJ0j017926; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:48:19 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g883ib97011218 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:44:37 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 07 20:44:36 2002 -0700 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g883iPJX007675 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:44:36 -0700 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-77.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.77]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:44:23 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC17C2677D; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:46:49 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:47:44 +0800 (WST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bret Busby To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kenneth Crudup > To: Pine Discussion Forum > Subject: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 > > > Wow! This shouldn't happen! > > -Kenny > > The message, when received as being distributed by the mailing list, had an attachment. Mailing lists should not distribute attachments. Could the list administrator please configure the mailing list application so as to reject messages with attachments? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8882Q2P003853 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:02:26 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 08 01:02:20 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8882KEN010640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:02:20 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g887ug0j014156; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:56:42 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g887rc97020802 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:53:38 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 08 00:53:37 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g887rbR8000925 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:53:37 -0700 Received: from 209-162-41-113.thegrid.net (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EC348A26 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 03:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Bret Busby wrote: > Mailing lists should not distribute attachments. True enough, but I wanted to make sure that the pine folks would be able to download the message in its entirety, w/o any possible manipulation by the mail software (I never "forward as attachment" otherwise). -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home: 3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (888) 454-8181 Work: 2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905 (949) 252-1111 X240 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g88GAm2P018487 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:10:48 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 08 09:10:47 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g88GAi07022705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:10:44 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g88G3F4G029224; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:03:16 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g88G0Y97099188 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:00:34 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 08 09:00:34 2002 -0700 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g88G0Xbq019707 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:00:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (mharris@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g88G0WB26584; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:00:32 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Mike A. Harris" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kenneth Crudup X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: mharris owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: mharris@devserv.devel.redhat.com X-Unexpected-Header: The Spanish Inquisition X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:21:29 -0700 (PDT) >From: Kenneth Crudup >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; > BOUNDARY="-1463790076-269864640-1031332889=:16491" >Subject: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 > > >Wow! This shouldn't happen! Using Red Hat Linux 7.1 with the currently released PINE 4.44, your message did not crash PINE. I tested it also on a 7.2 and 7.3 system, and with current rawhide PINE. Either we've patched whatever bug is causing PINE to crash, or something is different in your configuration of PINE, or possibly your binaries are messed up, or built incorrectly. You might wish to download our sources and patch pine with our patches to see if that solves the problem for you or not. Note: To report bugs to the PINE team, send your bug report emails, with file attachments to: pine@cac.washington.edu Hope this helps. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer XFree86 maintainer Red Hat Inc. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g89H7c2P026592 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:38 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 09 10:07:37 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g89H7a07001388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:07:36 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g89H67Om020620; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:06:07 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g89H1397020326 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:01:04 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 09 10:01:03 2002 -0700 Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g89H12s8002170 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:01:03 -0700 Received: from eng-23.pacdigital (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB08F36 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@eng-23.pacdigital X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote: > Using Red Hat Linux 7.1 with the currently released PINE 4.44, > your message did not crash PINE. I tested it also on a 7.2 and > 7.3 system, and with current rawhide PINE. I highly suspect the version of the OS has nothing to do with this. > Either we've patched whatever bug is causing PINE to crash Possibly; I built pine from the initial 4.44 source release, sans patches. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home: 3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (888) 454-8181 Work: 2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905 (949) 252-1111 X240 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8BM1n2P005966 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:01:49 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 11 15:01:48 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8BM1j07021299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:01:46 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8BM0w4G030496; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:00:58 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8BLwS97054992 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:58:28 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 11 14:58:27 2002 -0700 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8BLwRs9012370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:58:27 -0700 Received: from mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.18]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8BLwQt6018360 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:58:26 -0700 Received: FROM smtp.washington.edu BY mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 11 14:58:26 2002 -0700 Received: from pigeon.cac.washington.edu (pigeon.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.112]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8BLwPTb029718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:58:26 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jeff Franklin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: This E-mail blows up pine 4.44 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kenneth Crudup X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote: > Wow! This shouldn't happen! Hi Kenny, Thanks for pointing this one out to us. There was a problem with Pine's HTML-rendering, and a fix for it will be available in the next release, which is due out not too long from now. Jeff -- Jeff Franklin Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8BMEP2P006574 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:14:25 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 11 15:14:21 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8BMEK07021733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:14:20 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8BMDb4G022640; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:13:37 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8BMCZ97149998 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:12:39 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 11 15:12:31 2002 -0700 Received: from otaku.freeshell.org (otaku.freeshell.org [207.202.214.131]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8BMCVs8016129 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:12:31 -0700 Received: by otaku.freeshell.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) id g8BMCF611340; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:12:15 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Art McGee To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Undefined PLT Symbol under NetBSD In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Folks, I know this is a known problem, so I'm checking to see if anyone has addressed it: How do you build Pine 4.44 under NetBSD (Alpha) so that you don't get the crashing with "Undefined PLT Symbol" errors? I don't have this problem on Linux or Solaris systems, only NetBSD. I've seen it documented as a known problem, but I can't remember what the solution was. Thank you. Art -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8D0Ob2P026819 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:24:37 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 12 17:24:36 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8D0OW07030802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:24:33 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8D0Nq4G028470; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:23:53 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8D0KE97098850 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:20:14 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 12 17:20:14 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8D0KDs8020226 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:20:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 25607 invoked by uid 1828); 13 Sep 2002 00:20:12 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: three unrelated issues. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I did a search for "duplex" in all message text, it found one message. I open the message, type wduplex.. -> it finds one occurrance "on line 2" (actually line 4 of the screen, but I guess it's only counting the message display lines). I hit w it says: [Found on line -215 on screen] and it's putting the cursor at the beginning of line 3 (message display lines). pine4.44 on Mac OS X. and an unrelated issue.. This may be worded improperly, but is there any way I can make pine include separate text parts in the *reply* to a message, not as attachments? That is, I can read a message, and I'll see one text field when I view it.. But if I reply, it ends up with only part of the message in my editor, and other text parts are attachments, I think. Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam emails (actually report them, but I use reply and change the To address) and have the raw html included in the reply. That doesn't work. It shows me the formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply, manually copy and paste the crap into a new message.. (For example, I complain to the websites mentioned in the email, uce@ftc.gov, etc.. -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this are not necessary) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DDEZ2P012170 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:14:35 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 06:14:34 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DDEVEN008367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:14:31 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DDDe4G012784; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:13:40 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DDBS97152684 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:11:28 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 06:11:27 2002 -0700 Received: from smtp.gospelcom.net (joppa.gospelcom.net [204.253.132.6]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DDBRbq016940 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:11:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 13:11:26 -0000 Received: from jabbok.gospelcom.net (HELO amos.gf.gospelcom.net) (204.253.132.4) by smtp.gospelcom.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 13:11:26 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joel Boonstra To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: joel@amos.gf.gospelcom.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam > emails (actually report them, but I use reply and change the To > address) and have the raw html included in the reply. That doesn't > work. It shows me the formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply, > manually copy and paste the crap into a new message.. (For example, I > complain to the websites mentioned in the email, uce@ftc.gov, etc.. > -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this are not necessary) To do this, I turn on full headers, then forward. It asks me if I'd like to "forward message as attachment". I say 'n', and it inlines the HTML in the text of the forward. This has been sufficient for spam reporting (to spamcop.net, at least). I don't know if replying has a similar feature. Can I comment on the effectiveness of reporting spam? We've had one case where several of us reported similar spam, and were replied with a note from the provider asking us to sign sworn statements saying that we didn't request the email, or give our addresses to them. Since the addresses that were being spammed were something like 'MAILER-DAEMON@gospelcom.net', it was pretty obvious that we didn't sign them up. Apparently, the hosting company was involved in litigation with their customer, and the host was soliciting witnesses against their customer. So sometimes it works (sorta). -- [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DETq2P013801 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:29:52 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 07:29:52 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DETg07014757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:29:42 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DESrOm092432; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:28:53 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DERe97177530 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:27:40 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 07:27:39 2002 -0700 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DERcJX005890 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:27:39 -0700 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17391; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA08774; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Reply vs. Forward (was: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Joel Boonstra X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Reply prunes a lot of headers. Forward preserves a lot of headers. I don't believe the state of the full headers toggle has any effect on what headers get preserved in either case. The "raw html" (generally very raw) and other mime attachments are preserved in a forward. Attachments are dropped in a reply, presumably the author of the original message already has them. For showing someone else a complete message that you received, you want to forward it. For responding to the author of a message you received, you want to reply to it. dan On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote: > > > Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam > > emails (actually report them, but I use reply and change the To > > address) and have the raw html included in the reply. That doesn't > > work. It shows me the formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply, > > manually copy and paste the crap into a new message.. (For example, I > > complain to the websites mentioned in the email, uce@ftc.gov, etc.. > > -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this are not necessary) > > To do this, I turn on full headers, then forward. It asks me if I'd > like to "forward message as attachment". I say 'n', and it inlines the > HTML in the text of the forward. This has been sufficient for spam > reporting (to spamcop.net, at least). > > I don't know if replying has a similar feature. > > Can I comment on the effectiveness of reporting spam? We've had one > case where several of us reported similar spam, and were replied with a > note from the provider asking us to sign sworn statements saying that we > didn't request the email, or give our addresses to them. Since the > addresses that were being spammed were something like > 'MAILER-DAEMON@gospelcom.net', it was pretty obvious that we didn't sign > them up. Apparently, the hosting company was involved in litigation > with their customer, and the host was soliciting witnesses against their > customer. > > So sometimes it works (sorta). > > -- > [ joel boonstra | jboonstra@gospelcom.net ] > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DG5P2P016956 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:05:25 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 09:05:24 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DG5C07017508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:05:14 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DG4Ck6028190; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:04:12 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DG0P97175752 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:00:25 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 09:00:19 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DG0Ds8019454 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:00:18 -0700 Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DG03Y5000283; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: KHLsv Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Beartooth To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Reply vs. Forward (was: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: karhunhammas@saltmine.radix.net X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote: > Reply prunes a lot of headers. > > Forward preserves a lot of headers. > > I don't believe the state of the full headers > toggle has any effect on what headers get > preserved in either case. (snipperoo) If that last is true, I've been going to a lot of wasted trouble for a lot of years! Suppose it is; A forwards message XKQJ to B, without turning on full headers; what does B do to see the full headers that A got? -- Beartooth the Stubborn Linux hatchling w/ RH, YDL, & OSX; Pine 4.43; Pan 0.11.2; Privoxy 3.0.0, Opera 6.03, Galeon 1.2.5, Mozilla 1.0 Delenda est MegaSleazo! http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DHhE2P021489 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:14 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 10:43:12 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DHh5EN016517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:43:05 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DHgC0j017320; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:42:13 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DHc397143884 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:38:08 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 10:38:02 2002 -0700 Received: from mail.bellhow.com (fw.bellhow.com [63.121.54.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DHc1JX024893 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:38:02 -0700 Received: from wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (wgs.apps1.bellhow.com [192.168.70.70]) by mail.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20062 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (herrick@localhost) by wgs.apps1.bellhow.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA25237 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: daniel lance herrick To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Reply vs. Forward (was: Re: three unrelated issues. (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-Warning: wgs.apps1.bellhow.com: herrick owned process doing -bs X-Sender: herrick@wgs.apps1.bellhow.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I was just wrong. the forward below was done after turning on viewing of full headers and saying don't hide it in an attachment. When I didn't turn on the viewing of full headers, the quoted message did not include the Received: headers or a few others. Reminds me of Socrates declaring that, obviously, women have fewer teeth than women. (Without, of course, asking Mrs. Socrates to open her mouth.) dan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from mailgw.bellhow.com ([63.121.54.79]) by RFEXC1.psc.bellhow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SZ58LT0T; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:14 -0400 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by mailgw.bellhow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13969 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DG03Y5000283; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Beartooth Sender: karhunhammas@saltmine.radix.net Reply-To: KHLsv To: daniel lance herrick cc: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Reply vs. Forward (was: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote: > Reply prunes a lot of headers. > > Forward preserves a lot of headers. > > I don't believe the state of the full headers > toggle has any effect on what headers get > preserved in either case. (snipperoo) If that last is true, I've been going to a lot of wasted trouble for a lot of years! Suppose it is; A forwards message XKQJ to B, without turning on full headers; what does B do to see the full headers that A got? -- Beartooth the Stubborn Linux hatchling w/ RH, YDL, & OSX; Pine 4.43; Pan 0.11.2; Privoxy 3.0.0, Opera 6.03, Galeon 1.2.5, Mozilla 1.0 Delenda est MegaSleazo! http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DHxQ2P022493 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:26 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 10:59:20 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DHxJ07021895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:59:20 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DHwok6041416; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:58:50 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DHv497092580 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:04 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 10:57:03 2002 -0700 Received: from oontz.dissonant.org (dissonant.org [207.246.139.40]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DHv3JX030479 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (gse@localhost) by oontz.dissonant.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8DHv3P31822 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:57:03 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Scott Evans To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: dates and timezones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: gse@oontz.dissonant.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Does pine have a way to display all header dates in one time zone (mine)? I've done a bunch of Google searches but haven't turned up an answer. -- scott evans :: www.antisleep.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DI5t2P022889 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:05:55 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 11:05:54 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DI5m07022146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:05:49 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DI46Om083884; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:04:06 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DI3A97029486 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:03:10 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 11:03:09 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DI38bq031621 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:03:09 -0700 Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DI35Y5016644; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: KHLsv Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Beartooth To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Reply vs. Forward (was: Re: three unrelated issues. (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: karhunhammas@saltmine.radix.net X-To: daniel lance herrick X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, daniel lance herrick wrote: > I was just wrong. > Reminds me of Socrates declaring that, obviously, > women have fewer teeth than women. (Without, of > course, asking Mrs. Socrates to open her mouth.) Hey, it happens to every one of us occasionally; meanwhile, we're all more sure of what really happens. And thanks for checking! I was too frenetically busy to do the self-forwards and other effort it must've taken you. -- Beartooth the Stubborn Linux hatchling w/ RH, YDL, & OSX; Pine 4.43; Pan 0.11.2; Privoxy 3.0.0, Opera 6.03, Galeon 1.2.5, Mozilla 1.0 Delenda est MegaSleazo! http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJ6c2P025644 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:06:38 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:06:37 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJ6bEN019768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:06:37 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJ5x0j010444; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:05:59 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJ4q97073370 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:52 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:04:51 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJ4pR8022046 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 3914 invoked by uid 1828); 13 Sep 2002 19:04:51 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote: >mattack wrote: > >> Also, if I'm viewing in full header mode, I wish I could reply to spam >> emails (actually report them, but I use reply and change the To >> address) and have the raw html included in the reply. That doesn't >> work. It shows me the formatted html, so I have to cancel the reply, >> manually copy and paste the crap into a new message.. (For example, I >> complain to the websites mentioned in the email, uce@ftc.gov, etc.. >> -- comments about the ineffectiveness of this are not necessary) > >To do this, I turn on full headers, then forward. It asks me if I'd >like to "forward message as attachment". I say 'n', and it inlines the >HTML in the text of the forward. This has been sufficient for spam >reporting (to spamcop.net, at least). This actually doesn't work, as Joel confirmed. It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML source in a message. Forwarding works, but then I don't see the Received headers to complain to the site it really came from. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJVB2P026680 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:31:11 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:31:11 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJVA07025174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:31:11 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJUWOm090872; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:30:32 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJTM97082528 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:29:22 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:29:22 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJTLs8017455 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:29:21 -0700 Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DJTJY5028019; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: KHLsv Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Beartooth To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Forwarding headers (was Re: three unrelated issues) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: karhunhammas@saltmine.radix.net X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: mattack@vax.hanford.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, wrote: > It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML > source in a message. I can't speak to that. > Forwarding works, but then I don't see the Received headers to > complain to the site it really came from. You don't??! With apologies for top-posting, what do you see below?? -- Beartooth ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DJ73V2021909 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rye.elite.net (rye.elite.net [67.118.192.8]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DJ71Y4025114 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lserv@localhost) by rye.elite.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31655 for karhunhammas@radix.net; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by rye.elite.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31629 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJ5Z4G021990; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:05:35 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJ4q97073370 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:52 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:04:51 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJ4pR8022046 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 3914 invoked by uid 1828); 13 Sep 2002 19:04:51 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, wrote: It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML source in a message. Forwarding works, but then I don't see the Received headers to complain to the site it really came from. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJpe2P027634 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:51:40 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:51:39 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJpc07025829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:51:39 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJn1k6024810; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:49:02 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJmJ97073350 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:19 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:48:18 2002 -0700 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJmIR9001928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:18 -0700 Received: from mailscan-out2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan-out2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.17]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJmICP009328 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:18 -0700 Received: FROM smtp.washington.edu BY mailscan-out2.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:48:17 2002 -0700 Received: from pigeon.cac.washington.edu (pigeon.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.112]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJmDCR030990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:17 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jeff Franklin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: three unrelated issues. In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote: > It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML source in a > message. Hi Matt, In the next release, there will be a feature, enable-full-header-and-text, which will allow someone to view the raw message body along with the full headers. Forwarding and Replying will forward/reply the raw message body (including MIME headers and attachments), which sounds like what you are trying to accomplish. Jeff -- Jeff Franklin Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJv62P027937 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:57:06 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:57:06 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJv2EN021477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:57:03 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJuK0j010332; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:56:20 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJte97089934 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:55:40 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:55:39 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DJtdR8003760 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:55:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 16889 invoked by uid 1828); 13 Sep 2002 19:55:38 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Forwarding headers (was Re: three unrelated issues) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Beartooth , X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Beartooth wrote: >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:29:19 -0400 (EDT) >From: Beartooth >To: Pine Discussion Forum >Cc: mattack@vax.hanford.org >Subject: Forwarding headers (was Re: three unrelated issues) > > >On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, wrote: > >> It would be cool if there were a way to inline the raw HTML >> source in a message. > > I can't speak to that. > >> Forwarding works, but then I don't see the Received headers to >> complain to the site it really came from. > > You don't??! With apologies for top-posting, what do you >see below?? -- Beartooth Sorry, I misspoke. I meant -- When forwarding _as an attachment_, then the headers of the message, including Received, aren't visible to track the spam. Thanks for apologizing for top-posting! Unfortunately that practice looks like it's becoming even more prevalent. (Unfortunately partially because of Mail.app on OSX.) From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DK1G2P028251 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:01:16 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 13:01:15 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DK1E07026140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:01:15 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DK0MOm092464; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:00:22 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DJxC97156992 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:59:13 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 12:59:11 2002 -0700 Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DJxAs8025329; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:59:11 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176DA43F0F7; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:59:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12666; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:59:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:59:04 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: two lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , , , X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is there any way to turn off the repeating of the last two lines of the screen in the first two lines of the next page when writing a msg? pine used to do this as well when reading msgs, but at some point a feature was added to turn this off. I haven't found such a feature yet for the compose menu. If I haven't overlooked something, can it please be added to a future version? Thanks. Bruce Cohen -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8DK5g2P028487 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:05:43 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 13:05:42 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DK5eEN021737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:05:41 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DK3k0j014890; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:03:46 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8DK3C97087830 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:03:12 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 13 13:03:11 2002 -0700 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8DK3AR8005836 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:03:11 -0700 Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DK37Y5002340; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: KHLsv Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Beartooth To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Forwarding headers (was Re: three unrelated issues) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: karhunhammas@saltmine.radix.net X-To: Matt Ackeret X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote: > > You don't??! With apologies for top-posting, what do you > >see below?? -- Beartooth > > Sorry, I misspoke. > > I meant -- When forwarding _as an attachment_, then the headers > of the message, including Received, aren't visible to track the > spam. Oh. Sorry. > Thanks for apologizing for top-posting! Unfortunately that > practice looks like it's becoming even more prevalent. > (Unfortunately partially because of Mail.app on OSX.) Damn. It would. Inherent cussedness of things in general. But I understand you can run *p*i*n*e* under OSX! (I won't, I hope; I like running it on my ISP's machine, and keep a second ISP because it gives me a shell account to ssh into.) -- Beartooth the Stubborn Linux hatchling w/ RH, YDL, & OSX; Pine 4.43; Pan 0.11.2; Privoxy 3.0.0, Opera 6.03, Galeon 1.2.5, Mozilla 1.0 Delenda est MegaSleazo! http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8E9pp2P019497 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:51:51 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 02:51:50 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8E9pnEN006677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:51:50 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8E9p3Om094904; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:51:03 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8E9nl97017166 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:49:47 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 02:49:46 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8E9nkR8022447 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:49:46 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF173833E; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15882; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:49:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:49:44 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Mark, A few weeks ago my provider finally updated their pop3 servers, now running imap4 as well. Unfortunately, this has also caused problems with pine 4.33 (SunOs 5.7), which was running quite stable most of the time. Since the update any session over about 5 minutes runs into major problems (either pop3 or imap!) - at some point pine and the popper lose connection (waited 15 seconds for server reply, etc. followed by Mailbox closed due to access error) - very occasionally this is major: abort and core dump. Once the connection problem has occured, then the popper is locked for about 30 minutes and I can't log back on during that time. The pop3 and imap4 announce v.3.0.0. Do you have any idea what is going on? Why does the popper (and I'm pretty sure it is the popper) throw out the pine connection and is there anything that can be done to solve this? Would an update to a later pine version maybe help? Even if a connection seems to be stable and has been so for several minutes, it will eventually be broken at some point either by sending mail or if new mail comes in. Unfortunately, my provider only provides marginal support as far as getting pine running properly is concerned...they have been aware of the problem for a few weeks but have not really investigated the matter - I may be one of the last few pine users they have. Thanks for any help or advice you can offer. Bruce Cohen On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:30 +0100 (MET), Bruce Cohen wrote: > > So why the abort and core dump -any ideas? > > > > You seem to imply that it shouldn't have happened... > > That's right. An abort/dump should never happen. > > As for "why"...do you have a stack trace or any other form of gdb/dbx analysis > of the dump? Many times, problems such as this aren't reproducable here. > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8EAsG2P021152 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:54:17 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 03:54:16 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EAsA07012315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:54:11 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EArV0j027494; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:53:31 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EAph97155520 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:51:43 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 03:51:43 2002 -0700 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EApgs8013520 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:51:43 -0700 Received: from cain.quartz.gly.fsu.edu (pcp653527pcs.tharpe01.fl.comcast.net [68.35.230.176]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H2F008HKCU58Q@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020914064704.040635d0@127.0.0.1> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:51:35 -0400 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Joseph Cain To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Importing Eudora address lists MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sender: cain@quartz.gly.fsu.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is it possible to import an address list from the Eudora mailer into the pine addresses? Besides names and addresses, they are also grouped into subdirectories with one file for each sublist. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8EDMx2P024513 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:22:59 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 06:22:58 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EDMoEN010211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:22:51 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EDMEk6040468; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:22:14 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EDKv97077144 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:20:57 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 06:20:56 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EDKtbq020500 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:20:55 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD5536B05; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:20:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16852; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Forgot to mention: one of the error messages I get after it has happened is "UID sequence not valid" (but it was, I was logged in!) Bruce Cohen On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > Mark, > > A few weeks ago my provider finally updated their pop3 servers, now > running imap4 as well. Unfortunately, this has also caused problems with > pine 4.33 (SunOs 5.7), which was running quite stable most of > the time. > > Since the update any session over about 5 minutes runs into major problems > (either pop3 or imap!) - at some point pine and the popper lose connection > (waited 15 seconds for server reply, etc. followed by Mailbox closed due > to access error) - very occasionally this is major: abort and core dump. > > Once the connection problem has occured, then the popper is locked for > about 30 minutes and I can't log back on during that time. > > The pop3 and imap4 announce v.3.0.0. > > Do you have any idea what is going on? Why does the popper (and I'm pretty > sure it is the popper) throw out the pine connection and is there anything > that can be done to solve this? Would an update to a later pine version > maybe help? > > Even if a connection seems to be stable and has been so for several > minutes, it will eventually be broken at some point either by sending mail > or if new mail comes in. > > Unfortunately, my provider only provides marginal > support as far as getting pine running properly is concerned...they have > been aware of the problem for a few weeks but have not really investigated > the matter - I may be one of the last few pine users they have. > > Thanks for any help or advice you can offer. > > Bruce Cohen > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:30 +0100 (MET), Bruce Cohen wrote: > > > So why the abort and core dump -any ideas? > > > > > > You seem to imply that it shouldn't have happened... > > > > That's right. An abort/dump should never happen. > > > > As for "why"...do you have a stack trace or any other form of gdb/dbx analysis > > of the dump? Many times, problems such as this aren't reproducable here. > > > > > > > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8EFve2P027096 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:57:40 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 08:57:39 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EFvcEN012836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:57:39 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EFu2k6011094; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:56:02 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EFsm97164374 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:54:49 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 08:54:47 2002 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (ikkoku-kan.panda.com [206.124.149.114] (may be forged)) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EFsks8018992 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:54:47 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM [192.107.14.50]) by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM id IAA28290; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: Mark Crispin X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum , Pine Team X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Unfortunately, there isn't enough information in your message for me to know what is going on. Here's the best that I can offer you in response now, pending further clarification from you. Have you tried the most recent release (Pine 4.44) or the pre-release of Pine 4.50? If the problem happens in 4.33 but not in 4.44 or 4.50, then it's likely to be a problem which we have already fixed, and our answer would be "upgrade to the most recent version." What was the exact and complete text (no paraphrasing) of the error message that you got? There is no such error message as "UID sequence not valid" in Pine, but perhaps such a message came from the IMAP server. There is a "UID sequence invalid" error message in Pine, which occurs only when an attempt is made to use a unique identifier of zero. Since zero is not permitted as a value, this indicates some major problem. But it could also be a wild goose chase if that wasn't the message. When you say "popper", do you mean to say "POP3 server", or are you referring to the popper program, which is one of many implementations of POP3 server? I have nothing to do with the popper program or its performance. You say "any session over about 5 minutes", and imply that the sesion is disconnected. Is it possible that the POP3 server has been modified by the ISP to set a 5 minute inactivity autologout timer? If so, that POP3 server is non-compliant with the POP3 standard (RFC 1939) which stipulates that the minimum inactivity autologout timer is 10 minutes. There isn't much we can do if external software violates the standards. You say "the pop3 and imap4 announce v.3.0.0" but no other identifying details. That is not a version number that my server implementations have used. I have no idea what POP3 or IMAP server implementation this is. More details are needed, such as the full greeting banner when you connect to the server, or the DNS name of the server system. In conclusion: Pine should never crash and core dump. But if it does, just saying "Pine crashed and core dumped" isn't very helpful; as I indicated in my 3 Jan 2002 message we need a stack trace or other form of gdb/dbx analysis, or alternatively a reliable way to reproduce the problem. This is particularly important if it happens on a system that we don't use here, such as SunOS. I think, but do not know, that the POP3 and/or IMAP server implementation that you are using is not the one provided by us. I don't know if the server implementation you are using is standards-compliant or not, since I don't even know which one it is. But the suggestion of a 5-minute autologout timer on the POP3 server suggests a non-compliant server. It could very well be that the server is non-compliant in other ways, and that non-compliance confuses Pine sufficiently that Pine crashes. Even with a non-compliant POP3/IMAP server, Pine should not crash. But if that is what is happening, we need to know what the non-compliant POP3/IMAP server is doing in order to know why it causes a Pine crash. To make matters worse, even after we fix the problem that causes Pine to crash with the non-compliant POP3/IMAP server, that does not mean that it will work for you. We can't guarantee any good results with a non-compliant server. We don't know that the POP3/IMAP server is non-compliant. It may be perfectly compliant, and we're on the wrong track because your message misled us. That's why we need more and better information: . stack traces or other crash analysis . pine-debug files from a session that crashed, preferably with protocol telemetry ("pine -d imap=4") . complete and exact text of all error messages, with no paraphrasing . full identity of the POP3/IMAP server so we know what we're dealing with at the other end. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8EGce2P027981 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:38:40 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 09:38:40 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EGcaEN013479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:38:37 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EGc1k6041026; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:38:01 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EGbG97102248 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:37:17 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 09:37:16 2002 -0700 Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EGbFbq016019 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:37:15 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F22636E0C; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:37:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17644; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:37:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:37:03 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum , Pine Team X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, Mark, Thanks for such a speedy reply. Here's what I have so far: if I telnet to io 110 or io 143 I will connect to io.worldonline.nl, and the server calls itself Tiscali POP server (v.3.0.0) (or Tiscali IMAP4 server) (tiscali took over worldonline some time ago). The DNS is 195.241.48.143 yesterday the dns for pop3.worldonline.nl was 195.241.76.34 pop3.tiscali.nl was 195.241.77.228 imap.tiscali.nl was 195.241.77.229 today these all seem to point to 195.241.76.34 (or anything up to and including 195.241.76.40 pop3-1 is 34, pop3-7 is 40) You're right, it is UID sequence invalid (I did it from memory, sorry!) popper: not sure what I mean, really (I was referring to the POP3 server, I thought). Does pine connect directly to the POP3 server, or can there be an additional program running (interfering) between the two? 5 or 10 minute inactivity: I assume you mean that nothing is written to the POP3 or IMAP in that time (flag change, etc.). Even if the session is disconnected by the POP3 side, shouldn't pine recover and be able to renew the connection (at least in IMAP4???). I'll try to start timing it more closely, but it is difficult - I've been on now for way over 10 minutes without any error messages whatsoever (POP3-3), but I'm sure that once this is sent they will appear, probably without abort and core dump is my guess. No, I have not tried a later version than 4.33. I would have to ask them to update, and really would like to avoid doing that unless I am very sure that it will fix the problem. Stack trace - believe I could not find gdb/dbx last time around, haven't looked again this time. Will collect a couple of debug files and send them on. Bruce On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > Unfortunately, there isn't enough information in your message for me to know > what is going on. Here's the best that I can offer you in response now, > pending further clarification from you. > > Have you tried the most recent release (Pine 4.44) or the pre-release of Pine > 4.50? If the problem happens in 4.33 but not in 4.44 or 4.50, then it's > likely to be a problem which we have already fixed, and our answer would be > "upgrade to the most recent version." > > What was the exact and complete text (no paraphrasing) of the error message > that you got? There is no such error message as "UID sequence not valid" in > Pine, but perhaps such a message came from the IMAP server. > > There is a "UID sequence invalid" error message in Pine, which occurs only > when an attempt is made to use a unique identifier of zero. Since zero is not > permitted as a value, this indicates some major problem. But it could also be > a wild goose chase if that wasn't the message. > > When you say "popper", do you mean to say "POP3 server", or are you referring > to the popper program, which is one of many implementations of POP3 server? I > have nothing to do with the popper program or its performance. > > You say "any session over about 5 minutes", and imply that the sesion is > disconnected. Is it possible that the POP3 server has been modified by the > ISP to set a 5 minute inactivity autologout timer? If so, that POP3 server is > non-compliant with the POP3 standard (RFC 1939) which stipulates that the > minimum inactivity autologout timer is 10 minutes. There isn't much we can do > if external software violates the standards. > > You say "the pop3 and imap4 announce v.3.0.0" but no other identifying > details. That is not a version number that my server implementations have > used. I have no idea what POP3 or IMAP server implementation this is. More > details are needed, such as the full greeting banner when you connect to the > server, or the DNS name of the server system. > > In conclusion: > > Pine should never crash and core dump. But if it does, just saying "Pine > crashed and core dumped" isn't very helpful; as I indicated in my 3 Jan 2002 > message we need a stack trace or other form of gdb/dbx analysis, or > alternatively a reliable way to reproduce the problem. This is particularly > important if it happens on a system that we don't use here, such as SunOS. > > I think, but do not know, that the POP3 and/or IMAP server implementation that > you are using is not the one provided by us. I don't know if the server > implementation you are using is standards-compliant or not, since I don't even > know which one it is. But the suggestion of a 5-minute autologout timer on > the POP3 server suggests a non-compliant server. It could very well be that > the server is non-compliant in other ways, and that non-compliance confuses > Pine sufficiently that Pine crashes. > > Even with a non-compliant POP3/IMAP server, Pine should not crash. But if > that is what is happening, we need to know what the non-compliant POP3/IMAP > server is doing in order to know why it causes a Pine crash. > > To make matters worse, even after we fix the problem that causes Pine to crash > with the non-compliant POP3/IMAP server, that does not mean that it will work > for you. We can't guarantee any good results with a non-compliant server. > > We don't know that the POP3/IMAP server is non-compliant. It may be perfectly > compliant, and we're on the wrong track because your message misled us. > That's why we need more and better information: > . stack traces or other crash analysis > . pine-debug files from a session that crashed, preferably with > protocol telemetry ("pine -d imap=4") > . complete and exact text of all error messages, with no paraphrasing > . full identity of the POP3/IMAP server so we know what we're dealing with > at the other end. > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8EIBo2P030138 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:11:50 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 11:11:49 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EIBjEN015301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:11:46 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EIBAOm086184; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:11:10 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8EI9G97158030 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:16 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 11:09:15 2002 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (ikkoku-kan.panda.com [206.124.149.114] (may be forged)) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8EI9Ds8005800 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:14 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM [192.107.14.50]) by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM id LAA28461; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: Mark Crispin X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum , Pine Team X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I took a look at those servers. It appears that the IMAP server is based upon an old version of UW imapd, but has been substantially hacked. I don't know what was hacked in it. I could not determine anything about the POP3 server. If you use the /pop3 switch in the mailbox specifier in Pine, Pine directly connects to the POP3 server. "popper" is the name of a program which implements a POP3 server; it does not mean "POP3 server". Not all POP3 servers are popper. So, unless you know that the POP3 server is based on popper, it is better not to use the term "popper" since that just confuses matters. Yes, an "inactivity autologout timer" refers to the session being disconnected after some period of inactivity. The minimum timer is 10 minutes in POP3, and 30 minutes in IMAP. Any ISP which hacks the timers to be less than that is in violation of the standards. If the ISP refuses to comply with standards, you should fire them and get one that will comply. However, before you accuse an ISP of something as serious as standards non-compliance, it is necessary to make sure that is really the problem. Pine typically communicates with a POP3 or IMAP server no less often than every 3 minutes. So inactivity autologout timers should not be an issue with Pine. However, I have heard of an ISP (now out of business) which set the timer to 1 minute specifically to block Pine. Such idiocy defies comprehension, but that's one of the reasons why that ISP is out of business. No, Pine does not "renew" the connection. Nor is "renewing" the connection a meaningful concept in IMAP. IMAP sessions have state; tear down the IMAP connection and the state is lost. A new IMAP connection has entirely new state, and any previous state is invalidated. There is one other possibility which you should investigate. Is there any possibility that you might be inadvertantly opening more than one POP3 or IMAP session to the mailbox simultaneously? A background "check for new mail" program may do this, or possibly running another mail reading program while you are running Pine? If so, that may explain the disconnects but it would not explain the Pine crashes. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8F5eo2P009612 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:40:50 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 22:40:49 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F5ejEN026646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:40:46 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F5eHOm080126; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:40:17 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F5bA97093880 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:37:10 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 22:37:10 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F5b9R8008955 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:37:09 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F7F38572; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:37:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20696; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:37:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:37:02 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum , X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi Mark, negative. These things happen while only pine is running (at least as far as I am concerned - I have no idea if the ISP has anything else running simultaneously.). Fire the ISP - have wanted to many times, but keep having to remind myself that if I want a unix shell and pine, lynx, etc. that I damn well better stick with them, because they are virtually the only ones left that will give me that possibility at all. Pine communicating with the server every three minutes or so...like even if I don't tell it to, and am doing other things like writing messages??? Is there something I should look for in the pine configuration to make sure that pine contacts the pop3 or imap4 often enough to make sure that the disconnect doesn't happen? I had a connection yesterday that did seem to renew itself after I got a Mailbox locked due to access error message: I think I was configured at the time for pop3.tiscali.nl/imap, which at that time would have been 195.241.77.228 or 229. After the access error message appeared I was for the first time able to go back to the INBOX and access msgs (as I recall with an opening INBOX msg but without having to login/password, etc.). Is there any way to force a mailbox lock to disappear immediately? I basically have to be patient and just wait until it decides to release, which can be very irritating if one has important msgs waiting that need immediate action. Bruce On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > I took a look at those servers. > > It appears that the IMAP server is based upon an old version of UW imapd, but > has been substantially hacked. I don't know what was hacked in it. I could > not determine anything about the POP3 server. > > If you use the /pop3 switch in the mailbox specifier in Pine, Pine directly > connects to the POP3 server. "popper" is the name of a program which > implements a POP3 server; it does not mean "POP3 server". Not all POP3 > servers are popper. So, unless you know that the POP3 server is based on > popper, it is better not to use the term "popper" since that just confuses > matters. > > Yes, an "inactivity autologout timer" refers to the session being disconnected > after some period of inactivity. The minimum timer is 10 minutes in POP3, and > 30 minutes in IMAP. Any ISP which hacks the timers to be less than that is in > violation of the standards. If the ISP refuses to comply with standards, you > should fire them and get one that will comply. However, before you accuse an > ISP of something as serious as standards non-compliance, it is necessary to > make sure that is really the problem. > > Pine typically communicates with a POP3 or IMAP server no less often than > every 3 minutes. So inactivity autologout timers should not be an issue with > Pine. However, I have heard of an ISP (now out of business) which set the > timer to 1 minute specifically to block Pine. Such idiocy defies > comprehension, but that's one of the reasons why that ISP is out of business. > > No, Pine does not "renew" the connection. Nor is "renewing" the connection a > meaningful concept in IMAP. IMAP sessions have state; tear down the IMAP > connection and the state is lost. A new IMAP connection has entirely new > state, and any previous state is invalidated. > > There is one other possibility which you should investigate. Is there any > possibility that you might be inadvertantly opening more than one POP3 or IMAP > session to the mailbox simultaneously? A background "check for new mail" > program may do this, or possibly running another mail reading program while > you are running Pine? If so, that may explain the disconnects but it would > not explain the Pine crashes. > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8F6Qo2P010885 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:26:50 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 23:26:49 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F6QmEN027378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:26:48 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F6Pt0j010360; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:25:55 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F6ME97040410 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:22:14 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sat Sep 14 23:22:13 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F6MBR8015239 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:22:12 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F70D38713; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:22:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20859; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:22:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:22:11 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-851401618-1032070931=:20856" X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-851401618-1032070931=:20856 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Mark, Here's a debug file on an imap connection that failed typically - is this OK or do you need a higher level debug? Bruce On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > Unfortunately, there isn't enough information in your message for me > to know what is going on. Here's the best that I can offer you in > response now, pending further clarification from you. > > Have you tried the most recent release (Pine 4.44) or the pre-release of Pine > 4.50? If the problem happens in 4.33 but not in 4.44 or 4.50, then it's > likely to be a problem which we have already fixed, and our answer would be > "upgrade to the most recent version." > > What was the exact and complete text (no paraphrasing) of the error message > that you got? There is no such error message as "UID sequence not valid" in > Pine, but perhaps such a message came from the IMAP server. > > There is a "UID sequence invalid" error message in Pine, which occurs only > when an attempt is made to use a unique identifier of zero. Since zero is not > permitted as a value, this indicates some major problem. But it could also be > a wild goose chase if that wasn't the message. > > When you say "popper", do you mean to say "POP3 server", or are you referring > to the popper program, which is one of many implementations of POP3 server? I > have nothing to do with the popper program or its performance. > > You say "any session over about 5 minutes", and imply that the sesion is > disconnected. Is it possible that the POP3 server has been modified by the > ISP to set a 5 minute inactivity autologout timer? If so, that POP3 server is > non-compliant with the POP3 standard (RFC 1939) which stipulates that the > minimum inactivity autologout timer is 10 minutes. There isn't much we can do > if external software violates the standards. > > You say "the pop3 and imap4 announce v.3.0.0" but no other identifying > details. That is not a version number that my server implementations have > used. I have no idea what POP3 or IMAP server implementation this is. More > details are needed, such as the full greeting banner when you connect to the > server, or the DNS name of the server system. > > In conclusion: > > Pine should never crash and core dump. But if it does, just saying "Pine > crashed and core dumped" isn't very helpful; as I indicated in my 3 Jan 2002 > message we need a stack trace or other form of gdb/dbx analysis, or > alternatively a reliable way to reproduce the problem. This is particularly > important if it happens on a system that we don't use here, such as SunOS. > > I think, but do not know, that the POP3 and/or IMAP server implementation that > you are using is not the one provided by us. I don't know if the server > implementation you are using is standards-compliant or not, since I don't even > know which one it is. But the suggestion of a 5-minute autologout timer on > the POP3 server suggests a non-compliant server. It could very well be that > the server is non-compliant in other ways, and that non-compliance confuses > Pine sufficiently that Pine crashes. > > Even with a non-compliant POP3/IMAP server, Pine should not crash. 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List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-851401618-1032076255=:21210" X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-851401618-1032076255=:21210 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, Found a server with different behavior: pop3-1.wolmail.nl/imap 195.241.76.55. Several times now have been able to work for a considerable period of time and have been cleaning up the INBOX (lots of old msgs that now try to automove to mbox - I had been configured pop3 for several months, but obviously the imap read msg flags are set even in pop3 once a msg has been read). This cleaning up is basically moving to folders and deleting. At some point a move fails with the waiting for server reply message, with the option to break the connection after 60 seconds. Then comes the "message to save shrank" error message (haven't had that for ages!), and the MAILBOX closed due to access error msg. (debug file enclosed) At least I can log right back on immediately - so far with this server there seems to be only a broken connection, not a lock. It's more comfortable to work with this server than anything else I've used since the ISP updated, but I've no guarantees this will continue for any length of time. pop3.worldonline.nl and pop3.tiscali.nl are the ones we're supposed to use. Wonder what will happen when I send this - don't know if I'll be able to continue or thrown out with or without a lock. Bruce On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > I took a look at those servers. > > It appears that the IMAP server is based upon an old version of UW imapd, but > has been substantially hacked. I don't know what was hacked in it. I could > not determine anything about the POP3 server. > > If you use the /pop3 switch in the mailbox specifier in Pine, Pine directly > connects to the POP3 server. "popper" is the name of a program which > implements a POP3 server; it does not mean "POP3 server". Not all POP3 > servers are popper. So, unless you know that the POP3 server is based on > popper, it is better not to use the term "popper" since that just confuses > matters. > > Yes, an "inactivity autologout timer" refers to the session being disconnected > after some period of inactivity. The minimum timer is 10 minutes in POP3, and > 30 minutes in IMAP. Any ISP which hacks the timers to be less than that is in > violation of the standards. If the ISP refuses to comply with standards, you > should fire them and get one that will comply. However, before you accuse an > ISP of something as serious as standards non-compliance, it is necessary to > make sure that is really the problem. > > Pine typically communicates with a POP3 or IMAP server no less often than > every 3 minutes. So inactivity autologout timers should not be an issue with > Pine. However, I have heard of an ISP (now out of business) which set the > timer to 1 minute specifically to block Pine. Such idiocy defies > comprehension, but that's one of the reasons why that ISP is out of business. > > No, Pine does not "renew" the connection. Nor is "renewing" the connection a > meaningful concept in IMAP. IMAP sessions have state; tear down the IMAP > connection and the state is lost. A new IMAP connection has entirely new > state, and any previous state is invalidated. > > There is one other possibility which you should investigate. Is there any > possibility that you might be inadvertantly opening more than one POP3 or IMAP > session to the mailbox simultaneously? A background "check for new mail" > program may do this, or possibly running another mail reading program while > you are running Pine? 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(mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8F89u2P013300 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:09:56 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 15 01:09:55 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F89s07001102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:09:55 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F89ROm083532; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:09:27 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8F85e97158080 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:05:40 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 15 01:05:39 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8F85cR8027092 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:05:39 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98BA373A4; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:05:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21337; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:05:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:05:37 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The answer to the question is: was thrown out as usual and the mailbox is locked. there seems to be an authentication server of some kind at 172.16.1.64 and 172.16.1.66 - difficult to capture the entire login in my log, but it looks about like this when the mailbox is locked: [Opening "INBOX" <\> ] [{pop3-1.wolmail.nl/imap}INBOX : [REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@17] [[REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@172.16.1.64/] mailbox locked] [Connection failed to 172.16.1.64,143: Connection timed out] [No folder opened] [{pop3.worldonline.nl/imap}INBOX : [REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@] [[REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@172.16.1.66/] mailbox locked][rsh to IMAP server timed out] [Connection failed to 172.16.1.66,143: Connection timed out] Is there any way to break a lock like this short of waiting for it to happen? Bruce On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > > Mark, > > Found a server with different behavior: pop3-1.wolmail.nl/imap > 195.241.76.55. Several times now have been able to work for a considerable > period of time and have been cleaning up the INBOX (lots of old msgs that > now try to automove to mbox - I had been configured pop3 for several > months, but obviously the imap read msg flags are set even in pop3 once a > msg has been read). > > This cleaning up is basically moving to folders and deleting. At some > point a move fails with the waiting for server reply message, with the > option to break the connection after 60 seconds. Then comes the "message > to save shrank" error message (haven't had that for ages!), and the > MAILBOX closed due to access error msg. (debug file enclosed) > > At least I can log right back on immediately - so far with this server > there seems to be only a broken connection, not a lock. > > It's more comfortable to work with this server than anything else I've > used since the ISP updated, but I've no guarantees this will continue for > any length of time. pop3.worldonline.nl and pop3.tiscali.nl are the ones > we're supposed to use. > > Wonder what will happen when I send this - don't know if I'll be able to > continue or thrown out with or without a lock. > > Bruce > > On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > I took a look at those servers. > > > > It appears that the IMAP server is based upon an old version of UW imapd, but > > has been substantially hacked. I don't know what was hacked in it. I could > > not determine anything about the POP3 server. > > > > If you use the /pop3 switch in the mailbox specifier in Pine, Pine directly > > connects to the POP3 server. "popper" is the name of a program which > > implements a POP3 server; it does not mean "POP3 server". Not all POP3 > > servers are popper. So, unless you know that the POP3 server is based on > > popper, it is better not to use the term "popper" since that just confuses > > matters. > > > > Yes, an "inactivity autologout timer" refers to the session being disconnected > > after some period of inactivity. The minimum timer is 10 minutes in POP3, and > > 30 minutes in IMAP. Any ISP which hacks the timers to be less than that is in > > violation of the standards. If the ISP refuses to comply with standards, you > > should fire them and get one that will comply. However, before you accuse an > > ISP of something as serious as standards non-compliance, it is necessary to > > make sure that is really the problem. > > > > Pine typically communicates with a POP3 or IMAP server no less often than > > every 3 minutes. So inactivity autologout timers should not be an issue with > > Pine. However, I have heard of an ISP (now out of business) which set the > > timer to 1 minute specifically to block Pine. Such idiocy defies > > comprehension, but that's one of the reasons why that ISP is out of business. > > > > No, Pine does not "renew" the connection. Nor is "renewing" the connection a > > meaningful concept in IMAP. IMAP sessions have state; tear down the IMAP > > connection and the state is lost. A new IMAP connection has entirely new > > state, and any previous state is invalidated. > > > > There is one other possibility which you should investigate. Is there any > > possibility that you might be inadvertantly opening more than one POP3 or IMAP > > session to the mailbox simultaneously? A background "check for new mail" > > program may do this, or possibly running another mail reading program while > > you are running Pine? If so, that may explain the disconnects but it would > > not explain the Pine crashes. > > > > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8H2rq2P021028 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:52 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:53:51 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2rm07024970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:49 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H2pCOm083576; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:51:12 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H2mw97154990 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:48:58 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:48:57 2002 -0700 Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2mvbr031327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:48:57 -0700 Received: from mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.18]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8H2mvt6008333 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:48:57 -0700 Received: FROM smtp.washington.edu BY mailscan-out3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:48:56 2002 -0700 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2mtTb015111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:48:55 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:48:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Your message (no subject found) #011227@15:02:32.1096 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: mrc@ndcms.cac.washington.edu X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > Here's a debug file on an imap connection that failed typically - is this > OK or do you need a higher level debug? Your debug file indicates that you opened the IMAP session at 07:57:52. You expunged the mailbox at 07:58:32, and at 08:05:55 a checkpoint occurred. At 08:13:59 it was detected that the IMAP session had abruptly disconnected. Your mail-check-interval is set to 60 seconds, so the IMAP server would have been communicated with at least every minute. In any case, the 16 minutes and 7 seconds between the time you established the connection is less than the 30 minute minimum inactivity autologout interval, not to mention the mere 8 minutes and 4 seconds since the last logged interaction (there probably were other interactions, but weren't logged). This means that something is improperly breaking your connection between client and server. In effect, Pine is complaining that "I got hung up on." The problem is, that's all that Pine knows. We don't know if the server disconnected, or if the disconnection was due to something elsewhere. If the server was responsible for the disconnect, it is a bug in the server. Barring a LOGOUT command from the client or a critical shutdown, no server should ever disconnect a session that was active as recently as 8 minutes and 4 seconds ago. So, you need to check with your server management to see what the server says. All too often, if you find anything useful in the server log, it will be a whine to the effect that "I got hung up on." In other words, both server and client are saying "it wasn't my fault." That means you have to do some network debugging, possibly even packet sniffing. Here's some network issues that have caused problems in the past: Some versions of UNIX TCP have a "feature" in which a "destination unreachable" ICMP message causes the closure of all TCP connections to the IP address in that destination. Needless to say, "destination unreachable" could mean something as insignificant as a router dropping a packet due to excessive traffic. This "feature" should have been exterminated over 10 years ago, but it might still be in the version of Solaris that you are running. A variant of this "feature" has recently come up in NAT boxes; some NAT boxes garbage collect connections by arbitrarily purging memory of all active connections and then recreating the connection if the client initiates some activity. However, if the server initiates the activity (which can happen in IMAP), the server gets a TCP reset from the NAT box, which in turn provokes a TCP reset from the server the next time the client sends anything. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8H2u32P021103 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:56:03 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:56:03 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2u2EN020919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:56:03 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H2rhk6019412; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:43 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H2r697151440 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:06 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:53:05 2002 -0700 Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2r5JY025537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:05 -0700 Received: from mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.17]) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8H2r5CP026052 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:05 -0700 Received: FROM smtp.washington.edu BY mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 19:53:04 2002 -0700 Received: from Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H2r4Tb015173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:04 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:53:06 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: mrc@ndcms.cac.washington.edu X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > [[REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@172.16.1.64/] mailbox locked] You'll need to speak to the management of the tiscali.nl IMAP server. Although that server seems to be based upon the UW IMAP server, the fact that it issues referrals indicates that it has been modified. Also, the "mailbox locked" message is not in the UW server, indicating another modification. The underlying problem may not be in their IMAP server, but they need to be brought into the conversation. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8H6dS2P026306 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:39:28 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 23:39:27 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H6dPEN025426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:39:26 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H6awOm092210; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:36:59 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8H6ZA97135758 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:35:10 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 16 23:35:09 2002 -0700 Received: from mail0.rawbw.com (mail0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.41]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8H6Z8JY000350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:35:09 -0700 Received: from CHRISGRAY (m206-39.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.39]) by mail0.rawbw.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g8H6Z7J88307 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisg@tsoft.com) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:34:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Chris Gray To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Pico Display Width MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: chrisg@imap.rawbw.com X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I didn't get an answer to this before so am re-posting in hopes of a better answer now the list is more active. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:17:13 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Chris Gray To: pine-info@u.washington.edu Subject: Pico Display Width How do I change the default width of the text Pico or Pine displays on the screen? I invoke Pico with the -r72 option so that after justifying all the lines, I get a reasonably good-looking print-out. However, on the screen, I get the $-sign at Column 60 and am then stuck scrolling right/left all the time. I see that the length will change if I reduce the point size of my font, 8 point isn't too bad, but those settings do not seem to last from one session to the next. I am running Pico Version 4.2 under Windows '98 and Pc-Pine Version 4.44. Thanks. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8HLT92P025235 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:29:09 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 14:29:08 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8HLT807021099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:29:08 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8HLQVOm090728; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:26:31 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8HLOs97153524 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:24:54 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 14:24:54 2002 -0700 Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8HLOrs8026474 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:24:53 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A225443FC2; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:24:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06654; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:24:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:24:51 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, Mark, Thanks for your detailed replies. I'll work on trying to find someone responsible at tiscali and try to get them involved. This may take awhile considering how bureaucratic they can be, but I will get back to you. Once again, many thanks. Bruce On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > [[REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@172.16.1.64/] mailbox locked] > > You'll need to speak to the management of the tiscali.nl IMAP server. > Although that server seems to be based upon the UW IMAP server, the fact > that it issues referrals indicates that it has been modified. Also, the > "mailbox locked" message is not in the UW server, indicating another > modification. > > The underlying problem may not be in their IMAP server, but they need to > be brought into the conversation. > > -- Mark -- > > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8I5Jx2P007181 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:19:59 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:19:58 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5Jw07001105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:19:58 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5Gv0j027550; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:16:58 -0700 Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I54o97174304 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:04:50 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:04:50 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I54nR8017030 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:04:49 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978AE38C4D; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08483; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Mark, Just confirmed something I had suspected for a couple of days. If new msgs come in and the index page that they are on has been opened in pine (pop3), then they will show up without the N flag the next time the index of the INBOX is viewed in pine (imap) even if the msgs themselves have not been opened. Is this intentional, a bug in pine 4.33, or is this due to their hacked pop3/imap servers? Bruce On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > Hi, Mark, > > Thanks for your detailed replies. I'll work on trying to find someone > responsible at tiscali and try to get them involved. This may take > awhile considering how bureaucratic they can be, but I will get back to > you. > > Once again, many thanks. > > Bruce > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > > > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Bruce Cohen wrote: > > > [[REFERRAL IMAP://cohenb%40tiscali.nl;AUTH=*@172.16.1.64/] mailbox locked] > > > > You'll need to speak to the management of the tiscali.nl IMAP server. > > Although that server seems to be based upon the UW IMAP server, the fact > > that it issues referrals indicates that it has been modified. Also, the > > "mailbox locked" message is not in the UW server, indicating another > > modification. > > > > The underlying problem may not be in their IMAP server, but they need to > > be brought into the conversation. > > > > -- Mark -- > > > > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc > > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > > > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8I5bC2P007561 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:13 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:37:12 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5bBEN029414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:12 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5Xt0j006240; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:33:55 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5Sx97063462 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:28:59 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:28:58 2002 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (ikkoku-kan.panda.com [206.124.149.114] (may be forged)) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5Svs8003899 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:28:57 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM [192.107.14.50]) by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM id WAA04438; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: Mark Crispin X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Mark Crispin , Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:38 +0200 (MET DST), Bruce Cohen wrote: > Just confirmed something I had suspected for a couple of days. If new > msgs come in and the index page that they are on has been opened in pine > (pop3), then they will show up without the N flag the next time the > index of the INBOX is viewed in pine (imap) even if the msgs themselves > have not been opened. > > Is this intentional, a bug in pine 4.33, or is this due to their hacked > pop3/imap servers? In POP3, obtaining sufficient information about a message to draw the message index has the effect of causing the message to be marked as read. Furthermore, in POP3 there is no way to unmark the "read" status. IMAP has a means to do this without marking the message as read. This is a limitation of POP3. From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8I5qr2P008313 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:52:53 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:52:52 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5qq07001766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:52:52 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5omk6008084; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:50:48 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5no97174114 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:50 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:49:49 2002 -0700 Received: from web11105.mail.yahoo.com (web11105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.152]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8I5nnR8025402 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:49 -0700 Received: from [203.199.176.98] by web11105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:49 PDT Message-Id: <20020918054949.55337.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: V V Raja Rao To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: html messages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hai, For HTML mails, pine shows two attachments for the mail, one is text, the other is HTML. Is it possible to configure pine such that it has only one attachment for HTML messages.(probably only html) TIA, Raja. ............... V V Raja Rao. http://vvrajarao.tripod.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8I5rX2P008316 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:53:33 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:53:32 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5rV07001777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:53:32 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5pM4G028364; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:51:23 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8I5nq97043156 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:52 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 17 22:49:52 2002 -0700 Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8I5nps8007684 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:52 -0700 Received: from shell.tiscali.nl (shell.tiscali.nl [195.241.77.35]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11547382E7; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:49:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (cohenb@localhost) by shell.tiscali.nl (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08665; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bruce Cohen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mark Crispin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tiscali.nl: cohenb owned process doing -bs X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN But if one logs back on in pop3 this doesn't happen...even a msg that has actually been read will show up as New on the next login. I realize that one normally doesn't keep switching back and forth continually between pop3 and imap as I have been doing for the past few days, but it sure would be nice if there were a way for IMAP to work around this. Bruce On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Mark Crispin wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:04:38 +0200 (MET DST), Bruce Cohen wrote: > > Just confirmed something I had suspected for a couple of days. If new > > msgs come in and the index page that they are on has been opened in pine > > (pop3), then they will show up without the N flag the next time the > > index of the INBOX is viewed in pine (imap) even if the msgs themselves > > have not been opened. > > > > Is this intentional, a bug in pine 4.33, or is this due to their hacked > > pop3/imap servers? > > In POP3, obtaining sufficient information about a message to draw the message > index has the effect of causing the message to be marked as read. > Furthermore, in POP3 there is no way to unmark the "read" status. > > IMAP has a means to do this without marking the message as read. > > This is a limitation of POP3. > > From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8IFak2P026253 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:46 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 18 08:36:46 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8IFac07014871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:36:38 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8IFY8k6015282; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:34:09 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8IFVX97048424 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:31:33 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 18 08:31:27 2002 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (panda.com [206.124.149.114]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8IFVRbq030405 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:31:27 -0700 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM [192.107.14.50]) by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM id IAA05000; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Mark Crispin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: progress? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Sender: Mark Crispin X-To: Bruce Cohen X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:49:45 +0200 (MET DST), Bruce Cohen wrote: > But if one logs back on in pop3 this doesn't happen...even a msg that > has actually been read will show up as New on the next login. This also is a limitation of POP3. POP3 does not have "read" status, so all POP3 messages show up as "unread" in Pine. > I realize that one normally doesn't keep switching back and forth > continually between pop3 and imap as I have been doing for the past few > days, but it sure would be nice if there were a way for IMAP to work > around this. It would be nice, but POP3 is too limited. The standard answer is to "stick with IMAP". From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8IJb12P006368 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:37:01 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 18 12:37:00 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8IJap07024319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:36:51 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8IJYVOm079968; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:34:31 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8IJX897143164 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:33:09 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Wed Sep 18 12:33:08 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8IJX7s8028378 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:33:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 9677 invoked by uid 1828); 18 Sep 2002 19:33:07 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PINE-INFO digest 1448 In-Reply-To: <200209180708.g8I78l0j010376@list3.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 pine-info@u.washington.edu wrote: >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:49:49 -0700 (PDT) >From: V V Raja Rao >To: pine-info@u.washington.edu >Subject: html messages >Message-ID: <20020918054949.55337.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> > >Hai, > > For HTML mails, pine shows two attachments for the >mail, one is text, the other is HTML. Is it possible >to configure pine such that it has only one attachment >for HTML messages.(probably only html) Do you mean messages that you receive? The mail *does* have two parts, the plain text part and the html part. If you always want to see the plain text part, you can turn on the pref [X] prefer-plain-text Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean by your question. Do you want it to lie and not show you all parts of the message? From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JCm82P004919 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:48:08 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 05:48:07 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JCm7EN011996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:48:07 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JCjG0j018044; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:45:16 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JChV97017526 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:43:33 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 05:43:30 2002 -0700 Received: from lantana.iitm.ernet.in (lantana.tenet.res.in [202.144.28.166]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JChMJX000488 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:43:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (bharathi@localhost) by lantana.iitm.ernet.in (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g8JCgix25903 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:12:44 +0530 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:12:44 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Bharathi S To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Warping & Moving MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello All, 1. How to force the pine to wrap the text with more then 80 column to 70/75 during the reply ? 2. Now after reading the mail pine moving it to read-message. But I want to move the mails a folder occurding to the SUB ? TIA, -- --==| Bharathi S | BSB-364 DONLab | IIT-Madras |==-- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JDXC2P005980 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:33:12 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 06:33:12 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JDXB07018345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:33:12 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JDVDOm004282; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:31:14 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JDU897138820 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:30:08 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 06:30:07 2002 -0700 Received: from mail.hal-pc.org (mail.hal-pc.org [206.180.145.133]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JDU7s8018911 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:30:07 -0700 Received: from [206.180.133.20] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.hal-pc.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 20587918 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:30:06 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:36:49 -0500 (CDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Steven Whatley To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Warping & Moving In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: swhatley@dewontheweb.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bharathi S wrote: > 1. How to force the pine to wrap the text with more > then 80 column to 70/75 during the reply ? If you are using Pico (the internal Pine editor), then you use ^J to justify the paragraph. It even properly wraps the indention characters like "> " or ": ". But, be careful. You need to put a blank line before and after the paragraph or you will justify more text then you want to. After you justify, then you can remove the extra blank lines. Pico's justify feature is one of the main reasons that I don't use an alternate editor. Later, Steven From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JGlO2P011956 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:47:24 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 09:47:23 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JGlMEN018621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:47:23 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JGieOm083536; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:44:40 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JGgm97040204 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:42:48 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 09:42:48 2002 -0700 Received: from euler.math.washington.edu (euler.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JGgmR8006356 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:42:48 -0700 Received: from goedel2.math.washington.edu (goedel2.math.washington.edu [128.95.224.11]) by euler.math.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JGgkZ57710; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Eduardo Chappa To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Warping & Moving In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steven Whatley X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN *** Steven Whatley (swhatley@hal-pc.org) wrote in the pine-info list today: :) On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bharathi S wrote: :) > 1. How to force the pine to wrap the text with more :) > then 80 column to 70/75 during the reply ? :) :) If you are using Pico (the internal Pine editor), then you use ^J to :) justify the paragraph. It even properly wraps the indention characters :) like "> " or ": ". Only if you use the same quote string in every level (e.g if your quote string is ": ", and you reply to a message that was indented with ": "), Pico does not justify correctly ":) >", but does justify correctly (modulo a small bug, fixed in 4.50) ">>" and "> >", but does not justify correctly ">> ", because it treats each line as a paragraph (that is a bug, in my opinion). -- Eduardo http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/ From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JI2P2P015876 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:02:25 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 11:02:25 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JI2JEN021367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:02:19 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JHxn0j014620; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:59:49 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JHwE97176862 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:58:14 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 10:58:14 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JHwDR8029636 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:58:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 2028 invoked by uid 1828); 19 Sep 2002 17:58:13 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: recognizing a certain spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN One of the virii always shows up something like this: From: dr_eaglevision To: mattack@area.com Subject: MyLinks.sort() Parts/Attachments: 1 OK ~4 lines Text 2 93 KB Audio 3 Shown 0 lines Text 4 1.5 KB Application ---------------------------------------- [ Part 1, Text/HTML 4 lines. ] [ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ] [ Part 2, Audio/X-MIDI 125KB. ] [ Cannot play this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ] [ Part 4, Application/OCTET-STREAM (Name: "mylinks") 2.1KB. ] [ Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file. ] they have different parts and titles, but always has 4 parts (including an empty text/plain). Is there some way I can filter on these emails to move them to my suspected_spam folder? From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JI8e2P016159 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:08:40 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 11:08:40 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JI8d07027026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:08:40 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JI6ZOm082976; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:06:35 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JI5W97143040 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:05:32 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 11:05:31 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JI5VJX017705 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:05:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 3625 invoked by uid 1828); 19 Sep 2002 18:05:30 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: confusing find results MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN pine 4.44 So I'm in the Setup/Configuration screen. I'm "w"-ing for the word "signature". 1) after one search, it finds "literal-signature" 2) on the second search, feature-list = Set Feature Name --- ---------------------- [ Composer Preferences ] [ ] alternate-compose-menu "feature-list" and "[ ] alternate=compose-menu" are hilighted, with [Word found in text above current line] at the bottom of the screen. I honestly don't know how to make it better at the moment, but that's pretty confusing, because "current line" to me means the line that the cursor is on. But it really means above the "feature-list" line, where it found it in: signature-file = Just wanted to mention something fairly confusing. By the way, I was searching for something that doesn't seem to be there, or else I'm misunderstanding something else. I wish that my .signature were added *after* I send it, not in the actual reply I'm editing. I end up just deleting the contents of my .sig most of the time because I simply do a "delete to end" to get rid of the quoted text after what I'm replying to. and my .sig is: top-posting: It's just a bad idea. just had to throw that in! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JIAu2P016314 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:10:56 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 11:10:55 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JIAm07027099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:10:49 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JI8V4G028224; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:08:31 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JI7O97142910 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:07:24 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 11:07:23 2002 -0700 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JI7NJX018491 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:07:23 -0700 Received: from eng-23.pacdigital (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D419981BA for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: recognizing a certain spam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: kenny@eng-23.pacdigital X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote: > One of the virii always shows up something like this: > From: dr_eaglevision > To: mattack@area.com > Subject: MyLinks.sort() > Parts/Attachments: > 1 OK ~4 lines Text > 2 93 KB Audio > 3 Shown 0 lines Text > 4 1.5 KB Application > ---------------------------------------- ... and the forge the From: part- wait 'till you start getting *bounces* (or worse, flame mail) from folks forging you! -Kenny, who wouldn't run "MS LookOut!" if my life depended on it -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home: 3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (888) 454-8181 Work: 2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905 (949) 252-1111 X240 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8JN4x2P028362 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:04:59 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 16:04:58 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8JN4v07004655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:04:58 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JN1Lk6034140; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:01:21 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8JMwb97098988 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:58:37 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 15:58:36 2002 -0700 Received: from pendaran.arborius.net (dsl092-069-177.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.69.177]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8JMwZlu016526 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:58:36 -0700 Received: from pendaran.arborius.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pendaran.arborius.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8JMwZo20166 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: "Jessica P. Hekman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Alt addresses question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.59 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN My spam filter requires me to sometimes use addresses of the form jphekman-dated-1032908181.6ef1cd@arborius.net This address is generated using the hash of some date, so I can't predict ahead of time what it will be. Therefore I can't add it to my alt-addresses list. It's very important to me that all mail sent to addresses such as this be marked by pine as to me (to my normal address or an alt address). Is there any way to make that happen? I'd imagine I'd want to tell pine to treat some wildcarded address like "jphekman-*@arborius.net" as being an alt-address. If there is currently no way to do this, how could I submit a feature request? j -- "Users complain that they receive too much spam, while spammers protest messages are legal." -InfoWorld "You do not have to do everything disagreeable that you have a right to do." -Judith Martin (Miss Manners) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8K57O2P004303 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:07:24 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 22:07:23 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8K57NEN007023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:07:23 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8K54m4G023780; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:04:48 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8K53p97076194 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:03:51 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 22:03:51 2002 -0700 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu (ciao.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.11]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8K53oOS005977 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:03:50 -0700 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ciao.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8K53htT006543; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by ciao.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g8K53bLE006533; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Freda B Birnbaum To: Pine Discussion Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Sender: fbb6@columbia.edu X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Freda B Birnbaum X-Authentication-Warning: ciao.cc.columbia.edu: fbb6 owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Someone with an Earthlink account forwarded me a message, I don't know for sure what mailer the person was using, but this was at the beginning of the email:=A0 Dear xxxxx =A0 Text follows, including items like he is a “ fraud “, and not ... I don’t believe him=A0 If I forward the mail to myself, it reads correctly as he is a " fraud ", I don't believe him both reading it in Pine and after I have extracted it to a file. I discovered this by accident when replying to a long message full of these things and trying to explain to the sender what he was sending me. If I Reply to the message, this also fixes the odd chracters, as does Forwarding it. Does anyone know what causes this and what I can tell people to do so their messages don't include this stuff? Thanks. Freda Birnbaum, fbb6@columbia.edu "Call on God, but row away from the rocks" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8K5882P004315 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:08:08 -0700 Received: FROM mx1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 22:08:07 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8K58707012508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:08:07 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8K56G4G010604; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:06:17 -0700 Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8K55a97099420 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:05:36 -0700 Received: FROM mxu3.u.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Thu Sep 19 22:05:35 2002 -0700 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu (ciao.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.11]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8K55ZOS006373 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:05:35 -0700 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ciao.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8K55XtT006721; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by ciao.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g8K55Vrk006717; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Freda B Birnbaum To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: odd characters right themselves in Reply or Forward MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Sender: fbb6@columbia.edu X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: Freda B Birnbaum X-Authentication-Warning: ciao.cc.columbia.edu: fbb6 owned process doing -bs X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN (Sorry for the previous untitled message, I sent it too soon.) Someone with an Earthlink account forwarded me a message, I don't know for sure what mailer the person was using, but this was at the beginning of the email:=A0 Dear xxxxx =A0 Text follows, including items like he is a “ fraud “, and not ... I don’t believe him=A0 If I forward the mail to myself, it reads correctly as he is a " fraud ", I don't believe him both reading it in Pine and after I have extracted it to a file. I discovered this by accident when replying to a long message full of these things and trying to explain to the sender what he was sending me. If I Reply to the message, this also fixes the odd chracters, as does Forwarding it. Does anyone know what causes this and what I can tell people to do so their messages don't include this stuff? Thanks. Freda Birnbaum, fbb6@columbia.edu "Call on God, but row away from the rocks" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8KHhw2P024802 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:43:59 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 20 10:43:58 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8KHhra4024304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:43:53 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8KHdM4G026902; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:39:22 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8KHbU97094982 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:37:30 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Fri Sep 20 10:37:29 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with SMTP id g8KHbTlu005078 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:37:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 29394 invoked by uid 1828); 20 Sep 2002 17:37:29 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: odd characters In-Reply-To: <200209200707.g8K77Ok6040966@list1.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 fbb6@columbia.edu wrote: >Someone with an Earthlink account forwarded me a message, I don't know >for sure what mailer the person was using, but this was at the beginning >of the email:=A0 > >Dear xxxxx > >=A0"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> > >Text follows, including items like > > he is a “ fraud “, and not ... > I don’t believe him=A0 > > >If I forward the mail to myself, it reads correctly as > > he is a " fraud ", > I don't believe him > >both reading it in Pine and after I have extracted it to a file. > >I discovered this by accident when replying to a long message full of >these things and trying to explain to the sender what he was sending me. >If I Reply to the message, this also fixes the odd chracters, as does >Forwarding it. > >Does anyone know what causes this and what I can tell people to do so >their messages don't include this stuff? I'm kind of amazed it's getting fixed in the reply. It looks to me like they're smart quotes (which show up as "R" and "S" when the high bit is stripped off), but they're in an encoding, I believe "quoted printable". Try telling them to (1) send plain text, and/or (2) turn off smart quotes. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8MNeb2P003341 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:40:37 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 22 16:40:36 2002 -0700 Received: from list4.u.washington.edu (list4.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.167]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8MNeaa4020394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:40:36 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8MNawOm083066; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:36:59 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8MNWV97099058 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:32:32 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Sun Sep 22 16:32:31 2002 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (as1-4-7.spa.s.bonet.se [217.215.27.154]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8MNWJdX032330 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:32:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8MNVxm08918; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:31:59 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Jesper Maartenson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: roles and smtp-server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-To: Marc Evans X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-PGPKeyID: 0xDD2C1C5F X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 8 May 2002, Marc Evans wrote: > I find myself in a situation where I would like to have several different > SMTP servers used depending upon the role patterns being matched. For > example, if the message being sent matches "From: foo@bar.com" I want it > to use the "smtp.bar.com/user=foo" smtp server, but if it matches "From: > bar@foo.com" then it happens to use "smtp.someplace.else.com/user=me". I would also like this, it磗 because of this I digged through my pine-archive and found your mail from may. =) Did you or anyone else find a solution to this problem? If so, care to share it? Regards, Jesper From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8ONDA2P028128 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:13:10 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:13:09 2002 -0700 Received: from list1.u.washington.edu (list1.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.99]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8OND9a4025739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:13:09 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8ONAGk6015174; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:10:17 -0700 Received: from mailscan1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8ON8G97167556 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:16 -0700 Received: FROM mxu4.u.washington.edu BY mailscan1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:08:16 2002 -0700 Received: from mailscan4.cac.washington.edu (mailscan4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.15]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with SMTP id g8ON8GIr007596 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:16 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan4.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:08:15 2002 -0700 Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8ON8Fa4025593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:15 -0700 Received: from mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu (mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.17]) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8ON8FQn013391 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:15 -0700 Received: FROM shiva1.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan-out1.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:08:14 2002 -0700 Received: from localhost (postmast@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with ESMTP id g8ON8EGS018240 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:14 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kumaran Narayanan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Question regarding Message Index marking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-X-Sender: postmast@shiva1.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I have a question regarding the '+' and '-' marking in the message index. In my company where I use Pine, my login name (nkumaran) is different from what I use on "From:" address (knkums - is my email alias). I receive messages using both login name as well as email alias.. i.e. People send me mail using "nkumaran@company.com" as well as "knkums@company.com". The problem is, my unix Pine marks '+' or '-' only for the messages that are addressed to me using my login name. How do I make Pine mark the messages that are using my email alias also? Please reply to me directly, as I am not subscribed to this list. I am using Pine 4.44 on Solaris. thanks, Kumaran __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan6.cac.washington.edu (mailscan6.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.14]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.06) with SMTP id g8ONjr2P029345 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:45:53 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan6.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:45:52 2002 -0700 Received: from list2.u.washington.edu (list2.u.washington.edu [140.142.14.165]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8ONjpa4026656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:45:52 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8ONNE4G017654; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:23:15 -0700 Received: from mailscan5.cac.washington.edu (mailscan5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.14]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8ONM697082104 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:22:07 -0700 Received: FROM mxu2.u.washington.edu BY mailscan5.cac.washington.edu ; Tue Sep 24 16:22:06 2002 -0700 Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8ONM6nf003331 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:22:06 -0700 Received: from [192.168.4.137] (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0958981C3; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Kenneth Crudup To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Question regarding Message Index marking In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Kumaran Narayanan X-Cc: pine-info@u.washington.edu X-X-Sender: kenny@ProStar.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Kumaran Narayanan wrote: > The problem is, my unix Pine marks '+' or '-' only for the messages > that are addressed to me using my login name. How do I make Pine mark > the messages that are using my email alias also? M-S-C, then look for "alt-addresses" > Please reply to me directly, as I am not subscribed to this list. I almost told you to blow off, but I'm being nice today. -Kenny -- Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles, CA Home: 3801 E. Pacific Coast Hwy #9, Long Beach, CA 90804-2014 (888) 454-8181 Work: 2052 Alton Parkway, Irvine, CA 92606-4905 (949) 252-1111 X240 From pinedev@shivax2.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-2000(13) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mailscan3.cac.washington.edu (mailscan3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.15]) by groupms.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.08) with SMTP id g8UHptMb029645 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:51:55 -0700 Received: FROM mx2.cac.washington.edu BY mailscan3.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 30 10:51:55 2002 -0700 Received: from list3.u.washington.edu (list3.u.washington.edu [140.142.8.100]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with ESMTP id g8UHpsa4021649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:51:54 -0700 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by list3.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with SMTP id g8UHmtxQ005514; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:48:56 -0700 Received: from mailscan2.cac.washington.edu (mailscan2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.16]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with SMTP id g8UHkWFD022094 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:46:32 -0700 Received: FROM mxu1.u.washington.edu BY mailscan2.cac.washington.edu ; Mon Sep 30 10:46:31 2002 -0700 Received: from vax.hanford.org (vax.hanford.org [216.218.218.27]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.12.1+UW01.12/8.12.1+UW02.09) with SMTP id g8UHkVdX008510 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:46:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 28669 invoked by uid 1828); 30 Sep 2002 17:46:30 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: (Human contact for the list) List-Post: From: Matt Ackeret To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: lost mail crashing while filtering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: X-X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Someone's been spamming in my name (after I complained about some of their spam). So I've actually been saving up the bounces since one site was going after the real spammer and wanted the evidence. Anyway, this morning I come in first time since Friday and start up pine.. it goes a while, says it filtered or moved 3xyz messages into postmasterspam. then crashed. Or maybe it crashed the second time I ran it. I honestly don't remember. It did say no space left on device, however. So then it said the filter failed. But the messages were apparently deleted anyway. It's no huge deal, I'll probably have another 1000 by tomorrow. But shouldn't it _not_ expunge the originals before the transfer succeeds? -- mattack@vax.hanford.org -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ -----------------------------------------------------------------