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Dear pine-infoers,

I wanted to post an answer to my previous Pine problem so that it will
exist in the archive.  All of the brain power in the answer is due to
Eduardo Chappa and I am just recounting the solution that he showed to me
(Thanks!).

SYMPTOM:

A Unix version of Pine stalls when accessing a folder on an msdos
partition.  After a while it goes in to

"Mailbox </msdos_partition/a_folder>, locked will override in ### seconds"

mode.  Finally it does access the folder but it takes way to long for
practical usage.


CAUSE:

I'm fuzzy on this but it has to do with the way that Pine tries to make
lock files.  If the mailbox exists on the msdos (e.g. some kind of FAT)
partition it can't set the permissions on the file (because msdos file
systems don't support permissions).  Evidently, it is hanging as it fails
to set the permissions.


FIX:

You will need to rebuild Pine and make sure that the build option CRXTYPE
is set to "std" and not to "nfs".  I changed this by editing the Makefile
in /pinesrc/imap/src/osdep/unix/.  You need to be a little careful because
there is platform dependent switches in the makefile, so make sure that
you are setting the switch in the right place (ie. for the right
platform).  A good way to verify this is by deleting the file crx_nfs.c to
make sure that you are using crx_stdc.  I believe that it is also possible
to set this option at build-time by,

./build <build_name> CRXTYPE=std <... other options>

Either way, rebuild and see if it works (it did for me).


CAUTIONARY

I have no sense of the security issues associated with this change.


OPED

Unix pine with mailboxes on a FAT partition is a sweet way to share
mailboxes across partitions on a multiboot computer.


Thanks again Eduardo,
Brian

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I am using Procmail to create two different .mbx folders
which several users access at the same time.

These two folders belong to 2 different users:
/home/requests/incoming.mbx, and
/home/confirm/confirmation.mbx

My problem is that when I send messages from either of these
.mbx folders, Pine fcc's to the same folder (sent-mail is the default, or
if I specify a different one in Config, they both send it there).

Is there a way to prompt the user for the fcc location, or better yet to
determine fcc location based on which .mbx folder the user is in?

Any help is much apprecited!


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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Marci Burgess wrote:

> Is there a way to prompt the user for the fcc location, or better yet
> to determine fcc location based on which .mbx folder the user is in?

I'm not sure if what I'm saying is available in 4.21, but it works in
the latest version (4.44)

Set up roles for each folder with the following settings:

Current Folder Type = Specific (specify the mbx mailbox here)
Set Fcc: (specify the Fcc mailbox for this role)

Tweak the remaining setings for your preferences.

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I just started at this place, and they're a Windows (MS-Exchange/MS-LookOut!)
shop. I've been able to get to my E-mail OK, but:

 - Every message read pops up that warning from pine (4.33 ane 4.43)
 - Saving of attachments results in short files

Is there some sort of workaround in M-S-C to deal with Yet Another Microsoft Bug?

	-Kenny

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From: Tony Tung <tonytung@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Marci Burgess wrote:

> I am using Procmail to create two different .mbx folders
> which several users access at the same time.
>
> These two folders belong to 2 different users:
> /home/requests/incoming.mbx, and
> /home/confirm/confirmation.mbx
>
> My problem is that when I send messages from either of these
> .mbx folders, Pine fcc's to the same folder (sent-mail is the default, or
> if I specify a different one in Config, they both send it there).
>
> Is there a way to prompt the user for the fcc location, or better yet to
> determine fcc location based on which .mbx folder the user is in?
>
> Any help is much apprecited!

Perhaps what you want is this in the pine config:

fcc-name-rule            =
            Set    Rule Values
            ---  ----------------------
                <----- snip ----->
            ( )  current-folder

Tony


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Hi,

I recently received an HTML encoded email which pine did not render using
its html filter.  Instead, the message was displayed along with its tags.
The key difference between this email and another which was rendered as
expected was a line in the header "Mime-Version: 1.0".  In fact, when I
added this line to the incorrectly-rendered email's header, it worked
fine.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Thanks,
Tony


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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tony Tung wrote:
> expected was a line in the header "Mime-Version: 1.0".  In fact, when I
> added this line to the incorrectly-rendered email's header, it worked
> fine.
>
> Is this a bug or a feature?


It is a bug for a HTML message to lack a Mime-Version header.

It is a feature for a mail reader to assume a message is plain text
if the message is not properly labeled as anything else.  Lack of a
Mime-Version header means that the message was not properly labeled.


Sincerely,
 Jacob Morzinski                                jmorzins@mit.edu



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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jacob Morzinski wrote:

> On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tony Tung wrote:
> > expected was a line in the header "Mime-Version: 1.0".  In fact, when I
> > added this line to the incorrectly-rendered email's header, it worked
> > fine.
> >
> > Is this a bug or a feature?
>
> It is a bug for a HTML message to lack a Mime-Version header.
>
> It is a feature for a mail reader to assume a message is plain text
> if the message is not properly labeled as anything else.  Lack of a
> Mime-Version header means that the message was not properly labeled.

Ah, I see.
Is there some RFC or documentation concerning this that I can present to
the sender of the mail?

Thanks.


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On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tony Tung wrote:
> Is there some RFC or documentation concerning this that I can present to
> the sender of the mail?

The most directly relevant documentation is RFC 2045, the MIME
specification.  Section 4 specifies:

   Messages composed in accordance with this document MUST include such
   a header field, with the following verbatim text:

     MIME-Version: 1.0


Most mail readers know how to decode MIME-compliant messages, but
a message that doesn't even _label_ itself as mime-compliant is
certainly not compliant.

(A Content-Type header by itself isn't good enough because there is
more than one type of Content-Type headers, _even for email_, and the
mail reader doesn't know which way to interpret the header until told
that the message is MIME.)


Regards,
 Jacob Morzinski                                jmorzins@mit.edu


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I read at

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that "Rules-based filtering can now set message state (Important, Deleted,
...)". However, I can't figure out how to do this. With pine 4.44, in the
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like to do). I have enable-flag-cmd set (though I don't know if that makes
a difference).

Any help is appreciated!

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Jessica Perry Hekman wrote:

> that "Rules-based filtering can now set message state (Important,
> Deleted, ...)". However, I can't figure out how to do this. With pine
> 4.44, in the menu for editing a role,

Umm, you're looking at the menu for editing a ROLE. You need to be
making a FILTER. The web page talks about Rules-based FILTERING.

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, Gopi Sundaram wrote:

> Umm, you're looking at the menu for editing a ROLE. You need to be
> making a FILTER. The web page talks about Rules-based FILTERING.

Indeed! It works beautifully. Thanks -- and sorry I didn't investigate 
more before bugging this list.

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From: "William D. Colburn (aka Schlake)" <wcolburn@nmt.edu>
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I'm trying to make pine and imap work together with STARTTLS.  I have a
real key from Thawte, and I put it where the docs told me to.  I
compiled imap-2001a with the SSL stuff.  I have a macintosh that seems
to be able to do STARTTLS with the server, but neither pine or eudora
work.

I sniffed the transaction between pine/imap and got this:
>* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] localhost IMAP4rev1 2001.315 at Tue, 7 May 2002 09:25:44 -0600 (MDT)
>00000000 LOGOUT
>* BYE mailhost IMAP4rev1 server terminating connection
>00000000 OK LOGOUT completed

>From what I can tell, imapd is advertising STARTTLS, but pine is
ignoring it and immediately disconnecting.  Here is some of what the
debug file pine produced:

>IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [127.0.0.1]
>IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log ERROR: Unable to negotiate TLS with this server

If I try to connect to the imapd with Eudora (and sniff the network) I
see that Eudora does a STARTTLS, and after a few handshakes of garbage
goes back and forth Eudora reports that the negotiated key size is -1.

I use the same certificate/key with the Qualcomm qpopper and sendmail,
and STARTTLS works correctly in both of those.

Any help would be appreciated.

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From: Joel Boonstra <jboonstra@gospelcom.net>
To: Pine Discussion Forum <pine-info@u.washington.edu>
Subject: being friendly with alternate editors
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Hey folks,

I recently switched to using vim all the time for composing emails -- I
don't think I'll ever go back to pico, no offense to the developers.

There are, of course, tradeoffs to using a different editor in pine.
The major one that I see is that as soon as I enter my message text, I
can no longer see the headers of the email that I'm
composing/replying-to, so I have to end my editor, check that out, and
then go back to editing.

If I have a short attention span, I find myself doing this often.

I realize that it's probably not at all feasible to try and come up with
a generic way to embed my favorite editor into the pine window, so those
headers would be available to me.  Given that many editors are
definitely not text-only, this probably doesn't make sense to think
about.

However, would there be a way to, when invoking the alternate editor,
package up all the currently set headers and send them to the alternate
editor, along with whatever's going to be edited?  They could appear as
simply as Header: value, perhaps linewrapped in some manner.

Many problems come up immediately, of course.  What happens if I edit a
header in my alternate editor -- should pine try to parse my tmp file
after I save it and munge the headers appropriately?  What if I remove
all the headers?  Won't it be a pain to have all that header information
at the top of the message, thus making one move the cursor to where
message composition should start?   I don't know.  Probably.

At risk of invoking mutt, I do know that mutt uses vi implicitly, but I
don't know what its integration is like.  I'm not advocating a shift
towards being like mutt, since if I wanted mutt, I'd use it.  But have
other alternate-editor users run across similar wishes?  How have you
solved the problem?  Or should I just learn to live with it?

Joel

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> Another approach would be to not blank out all the
> headers when displaying the "Invoking alternate editor..."
> message - instead, put that message below the headers.

True, although that only is really helpful if my alternate editor spawns
a new window.  In the case of terminal vim, this probably would be small
consolation.

I know it's outlandish, but wouldn't it be cool if vim and Pine combined
forces, and made an embeddable version of vim for Pine?  Users could
choose to use either pico or vim as their stock editor, and use the
alternate-editor command otherwise.

Obviously, it's tough to draw the line then at what editors you start
embedding.  But perhaps then some hooks to pine to allow a generic
editor to be compiled in to pine, so anyone with enough knowledge could
hook their favorite editor in to pine.  That'd be cool...

Anyway, probably not realistic.  But it'd be cool, nonetheless.

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Don't forget about Emacs.  I personally think the editor is stupid, but
its a religious thing.

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote:

> > Another approach would be to not blank out all the
> > headers when displaying the "Invoking alternate editor..."
> > message - instead, put that message below the headers.
>
> True, although that only is really helpful if my alternate editor spawns
> a new window.  In the case of terminal vim, this probably would be small
> consolation.
>
> I know it's outlandish, but wouldn't it be cool if vim and Pine combined
> forces, and made an embeddable version of vim for Pine?  Users could
> choose to use either pico or vim as their stock editor, and use the
> alternate-editor command otherwise.
>
> Obviously, it's tough to draw the line then at what editors you start
> embedding.  But perhaps then some hooks to pine to allow a generic
> editor to be compiled in to pine, so anyone with enough knowledge could
> hook their favorite editor in to pine.  That'd be cool...
>
> Anyway, probably not realistic.  But it'd be cool, nonetheless.
>
>


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If I have an E-mail with:

   ...

at the beginning of the line, Pine only displays:

   ..

always one less period than sent. Does anyone know why this is?

	-Kenny

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On May 7, 2002, 12:16 (-0700) Kenneth Crudup <kenny@panix.com> wrote:

> If I have an E-mail with:
>
>    ...
>
> at the beginning of the line, Pine only displays:
>
>    ..
>
> always one less period than sent. Does anyone know why this is?

Are you sure that it is pine that eats them? Have you looked at the mail
file?

At the SMTP communication, the end of message is signalled by an empty dot
on the last line, that is "<CR><LF>.<CR><LF>" is sent. To be able to
include a line with just one dot, two dots are sent to the SMTP server,
and one dot is remove by the server. To be able to send two dots, three
dots are sent to the SMTP server....

How is the message created and entered into the mail system?


Mats

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> Are you sure that it is pine that eats them? Have you looked at the mail
> file?

Nah, I didn't even suspect. How could I do that?

> How is the message created and entered into the mail system?

"C", then "vi" is invoked, if I then type a line like this:

... this line should have a leading ellipsis (three periods). It'll probably
show up with just two.

	-Kenny, naturally scared when there's missed periods :-)

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Kenneth Crudup wrote:
> ... this line should have a leading ellipsis (three periods). It'll probably
> show up with just two.

It showed up fine in my system, so pine is doing all the right things
to your mail when it sends it out.  You may have some local
misconfiguration in your mail system (not necessarily involving pine)
stripping leading periods when you receive mail.

In a day or two your message should reach the list archives,
 ( http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2002.05/threads.html )
and you'll be able to see for yourself that the periods were preserved.


-- 
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From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" <arthur@linuxbox.nu>
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Basically.  It doesnt bother me at all.

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On Wed, 8 May 2002, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:

> Ye 2002-05-07 14:52 -0400, Arthur H. Johnson II skribis:
>
> > Don't forget about Emacs.  I personally think the editor is stupid, but
> > its a religious thing.
>
> I don't think Pico is stupid, but I also use Emacs as my Pine
> editor.  I don't want to use a variety of different editors for
> different things.  I think the original complaint is rather trivial.
> It might be a slight inconvenience to not have the headers present
> while he's typing the body, but he'll get over it.
>


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On May 7, 2002, 12:32 (-0700) Kenneth Crudup <kenny@panix.com> wrote:

> > Are you sure that it is pine that eats them? Have you looked at the mai=
l
> > file?
>
> Nah, I didn't even suspect. How could I do that?

Well, now you have all reason to be in doubt.

> > How is the message created and entered into the mail system?
>
> "C", then "vi" is invoked, if I then type a line like this:
>
> ... this line should have a leading ellipsis (three periods). It'll proba=
bly
> show up with just two.

There are three dots just as there should be. It must be on a line by
itself with NO white space after if it is to be effected by the
SMTP-server. I will create three lines, with one, two and three dots,
respectively:

=2E
=2E.
=2E..

And there was no white space after.



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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Mats Dufberg wrote:

> .
> ..
> ...
> And there was no white space after.

Grumble. I got all three of those. I guess it's on Panix' end, then?

	-Kenny

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Hello -

I find myself in a situation where I would like to have several different
SMTP servers used depending upon the role patterns being matched. For
example, if the message being sent matches "From: foo@bar.com" I want it
to use the "smtp.bar.com/user=foo" smtp server, but if it matches "From:
bar@foo.com" then it happens to use "smtp.someplace.else.com/user=me".

My digging through the pinerc and archived mailing list leads me to
believe that this is not possible. Before I give up hope, I thought that I
would send a message to this list.

I guess as a worst case solution, I could craft a special sendmail-path
program that parses the header of the message and makes its own decisions.
I am not thrilled about this solution because of the need to separate the
rules and actions, e.g. I couldn't put them in the .pinerc together.

Thanks in advance - Marc

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Could this be a reason for not getting responses to postings?
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From: Mike Walker <walker@usc.edu>
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Subject: Re: being friendly with alternate editors
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pico is essentially an emacs subset.

It's not so much religous as entrenched.  It's over 20 years old.
I used full-screen emacs emulators like FINE back when line editors
like SOS were common.  That was a BIG step up then.  Is it dumb that
I  can still use it today on all platforms?

Why would I want to learn a mouse based editor that not extensible
always requires a bitmapped display, not available on all platforms,
and won't be around in a couple years?

But if you have any doubts that I'm a luddite (:-), I've also used
Frame Maker since '84.  Most of the emacs commands worked with it
before Adobe bought it.

>Don't forget about Emacs.  I personally think the editor is stupid,
>but its a religious thing.
>
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>On Tue, 7 May 2002, Joel Boonstra wrote:
>
>> > Another approach would be to not blank out all the
>> > headers when displaying the "Invoking alternate editor..."
>> > message - instead, put that message below the headers.
>>
>> True, although that only is really helpful if my alternate editor spawns
>> a new window.  In the case of terminal vim, this probably would be small
>> consolation.
>>
>> I know it's outlandish, but wouldn't it be cool if vim and Pine combined
>> forces, and made an embeddable version of vim for Pine?  Users could
>> choose to use either pico or vim as their stock editor, and use the
>> alternate-editor command otherwise.
>>
>> Obviously, it's tough to draw the line then at what editors you start
>> embedding.  But perhaps then some hooks to pine to allow a generic
>> editor to be compiled in to pine, so anyone with enough knowledge could
>> hook their favorite editor in to pine.  That'd be cool...
>>
>> Anyway, probably not realistic.  But it'd be cool, nonetheless.
>>
>>
>


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[please put your question in the body, not the subject]

On Wed, 8 May 2002, dfp10 wrote:

> Could this be a reason for not getting responses to postings?

No. To answer your question, FAQ.

http://www.cse.sc.edu/~gopalan/Pine/read.html#indexname

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote:

> Basically.  It doesnt bother me at all.
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote:
>
> > I don't think Pico is stupid, but I also use Emacs as my Pine
> > editor.  I don't want to use a variety of different editors for
> > different things.  I think the original complaint is rather trivial.
> > It might be a slight inconvenience to not have the headers present
> > while he's typing the body, but he'll get over it.

While I agree that the absence of the headers is not very significant,
there is a significant drawback to using an alternate editor that
integration could solve -- namely that one does not get new mail
notification while in the alternate editor.  Often I will be writing an
email when I receive some incoming email which has higher priority.

An alternative solution is an asynchronous composition facility.  By this,
I mean that it will fork a process that calls the editor.  While the
editor is running, the main process continues.  Once the editor finishes,
the child process signals the main process and returns to the default pine
composition window.  Of course, this is contingent on the appropriate
facilities being present -- such as X or screen active -- such that the
editor and pine can coexist.

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Someone said...

> > > I think the original complaint is rather trivial.  It might be a
> > > slight inconvenience to not have the headers present while he's
> > > typing the body, but he'll get over it.

Then Tony said...

> While I agree that the absence of the headers is not very significant,
> there is a significant drawback to using an alternate editor that
> integration could solve -- namely that one does not get new mail
> notification while in the alternate editor.  Often I will be writing
> an email when I receive some incoming email which has higher priority.

Yes, I agree.  That's another problem I came across today.

To defend my header request...

Many times I am replying to an email, but don't know to whom I'm
replying.  Since I answer a lot of email from a lot of different
sources, I consistenly write to different people.  It happens all the
time that I'll start my reply, then have no idea how to address the
person I'm writing to, have to save and quit my composition, glance at
the header, and then continue my composition.

Yes, that's a minor annoyance, perhaps trivial.  It's not going to stop
me from using vim (especially with mail.vim syntax highlighting!), but
it sure would be nice.  I'd imagine there are others in a similar
situation.

Joel

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On May 8, 2002, 23:56 (-0400) Joel Boonstra <jboonstra@gospelcom.net> wrote=
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> Many times I am replying to an email, but don't know to whom I'm
> replying.  Since I answer a lot of email from a lot of different
> sources, I consistenly write to different people.  It happens all the
> time that I'll start my reply, then have no idea how to address the
> person I'm writing to, have to save and quit my composition, glance at
> the header, and then continue my composition.
>
> Yes, that's a minor annoyance, perhaps trivial.  It's not going to stop
> me from using vim (especially with mail.vim syntax highlighting!), but
> it sure would be nice.  I'd imagine there are others in a similar
> situation.

I agree with you. I would have used emacs if the headers follow the mail
to the editor. I often update the headers while writing the mail.


Mats

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From: Marc Rouleau <mer@cinergycom.net>
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Subject: Re: [pine] Re: being friendly with alternate editors
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I haven't heard anyone mention my alt-ed pet peeve.  This is a bug
rather than a desired feature ...

If I have a compose editor open, and I click in the main PC-Pine
window, I get the "PC-Pine is currently waiting for the alternate
editor ..." popup.  I choose OK to continue waiting, complete my
message, and exit vim.

My updates appear in the PC-Pine main window, but another vim starts
up immediately with the contents of my message.  This goes on
perpetually until I click in the main PC-Pine window and choose Cancel
to stop waiting.

Unfortunately, PC-Pine remains confused.  At that point I am unable to
modify the headers.  My only choice is to send, cancel, or postpone,
and PC-Pine continues to exhibit the perpetual alt-ed popup behavior
until I quit entirely and restart.

I get into this situation surprisingly often -- I get interrupted
while composing a message, work in another application or two, and
return directly to PC-Pine without remembering that I was in the
middle of composition.

    -- Marc Rouleau


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On 9 May 2002 Marc Rouleau (mer@cinergycom.net) wrote:
>
> If I have a compose editor open, and I click in the main PC-Pine
> window, I get the "PC-Pine is currently waiting for the alternate
> editor ..." popup.  I choose OK to continue waiting, complete my
> message, and exit vim.

The way I get around the problem you described is

 DON'T TOUCH THAT DIALOG BOX

when I see it and instead use the MS Windows taskbar (or ALT+TAB)
to shift the focus to my alt editor and continue working there.
Usually everything works fine then, no infinite loops! But, I
agree with you that it would be nice if this part of Pine's UI
were fixed, e.g., just a dialog box that says "Go away and deal
with your alt editor; I'm in a state of suspended animation."

Nancy
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On Thu, 9 May 2002, Nancy McGough wrote:

> ...it would be nice if this part of Pine's UI
> were fixed, e.g., just a dialog box that says "Go away and deal
> with your alt editor; I'm in a state of suspended animation."

Add another one who gets hit with this bug every now and then.  Though
how it usually gets me is that I'm replying to something, and flip over
to the message window to check on what the message actually said - and
I need to scroll down to see the text I want to look at.  Oops!

I would think at least the minimum correct behavior would be for the
PC-Pine window to do nothing until you finish editing...

James



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I frequently want to indent quotations copied from
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From: SANJAY CHAUDHARY     /INFRA/INFOTECH
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Sir,

	 I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail
address. They do it bye using the  pine  message postpone feature, user
press the  key sequence "CTRL+o" and postpone their mail. Next time when
user  opens the pine, he is asked the following  question
	"Continue postponed composition (answering "No" won't erase it)?"
 	When  user  presses  "y" on the  keyboard the messages compose
window comes up and it shows  "from" and "to" address. You can actually
change the  "from"  mail id.
	I am  using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21. I have disabled pine
suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.  The pine.conf.fixed
contains: 
 
feature-list=no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd,no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd,no-enabl
e-suspend,no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,auto-move-read-msgs. The
ownerships of files are given below: 

	Could  please  guide me how do I disable postpone  message of  pine.
Please  revert back.


with warm regards
Sanjay C.

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> I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail address.=
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From: Veronica Loell <info@nakawe.se>
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Only disabling the postpone feature will not help totally against people using other peoples addresses on purpose. The "From:" and "Reply-To:" fields will also be presented whenever one uses a "Role" for composing email. Of course they could also easily set up "Roles" with other peoples email-adresses in it. So for the idea to work full out you also need to disable any use of "Roles".
Mightn't this be better handled by interrupting email sent and comparing it to the current user before allowing it to pass on, I'm no expert in pine or unix, but I would think that could be done?
As the use of "Roles" is just as easy to use as the postpone-feature you should at least take this in consideration.

- Veronica Loell

>
>Subject: Disabling "CTRL+O" postpone feature of  pine.
>   From: SANJAY CHAUDHARY     /INFRA/INFOTECH
>	 <sanjay.chaudhary@infotech.icici.com>
>   Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:13:22 +0530
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>	 I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail
>address. They do it bye using the  pine  message postpone feature, user
>press the  key sequence "CTRL+o" and postpone their mail. Next time when
>user  opens the pine, he is asked the following  question
>	"Continue postponed composition (answering "No" won't erase it)?"
> 	When  user  presses  "y" on the  keyboard the messages compose
>window comes up and it shows  "from" and "to" address. You can actually
>change the  "from"  mail id.
>	I am  using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21. I have disabled pine
>suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.  The pine.conf.fixed
>contains: 
> 
>feature-list=no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd,no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd,no-enabl
>e-suspend,no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,auto-move-read-msgs. The
>ownerships of files are given below: 
>
>	Could  please  guide me how do I disable postpone  message of  pine.
>Please  revert back.
>
>
>with warm regards
>Sanjay C.
>
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><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Zurich BT"> I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail address. They do it bye using the&nbsp; pine&nbsp; message postpone feature, user press the&nbsp; key sequence &quot;CTRL+o&quot; and postpone their mail. Next time when user&nbsp; opens the pine, he is asked the following&nbsp; question</FONT></P>
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><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<B> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">&quot;Continue postponed composition (answering &quot;No&quot; won't erase it)?&quot;</FONT></B>
><BR><B><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">When&nbsp; user&nbsp; presses&nbsp; &quot;y&quot; on the&nbsp; keyboard the messages compose window comes up and it shows&nbsp; &quot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; address. You can actually change the&nbsp; &quot;from&quot;&nbsp; mail id.</FONT></P>
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><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">I am&nbsp; using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21.</FONT> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">I have disabled pine suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.&nbsp; The pine.conf.fixed contains: </FONT></P>
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From: Jo Knox <fxjwk@aurora.uaf.edu>
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Unless you have a completely captive environment, disabling this ability
in Pine won't stop someone who really wants to change their return address
from doing so.  You're describing a lot of work to take out a feature
anyone can get just by a telnet to the SMTP port and manually entering
headers and message!

jo

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Veronica Loell wrote:

> Only disabling the postpone feature will not help totally against
> people using other peoples addresses on purpose. The "From:" and
> "Reply-To:" fields will also be presented whenever one uses a "Role"
> for composing email. Of course they could also easily set up "Roles"
> with other peoples email-adresses in it. So for the idea to work full
> out you also need to disable any use of "Roles". Mightn't this be
> better handled by interrupting email sent and comparing it to the
> current user before allowing it to pass on, I'm no expert in pine or
> unix, but I would think that could be done? As the use of "Roles" is
> just as easy to use as the postpone-feature you should at least take
> this in consideration.
>
> - Veronica Loell
>
> >
> >Subject: Disabling "CTRL+O" postpone feature of  pine.
> >   From: SANJAY CHAUDHARY     /INFRA/INFOTECH
> >	 <sanjay.chaudhary@infotech.icici.com>
> >   Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:13:22 +0530
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> >Sir,
> >
> >	 I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail
> >address. They do it bye using the  pine  message postpone feature, user
> >press the  key sequence "CTRL+o" and postpone their mail. Next time when
> >user  opens the pine, he is asked the following  question
> >	"Continue postponed composition (answering "No" won't erase it)?"
> > 	When  user  presses  "y" on the  keyboard the messages compose
> >window comes up and it shows  "from" and "to" address. You can actually
> >change the  "from"  mail id.
> >	I am  using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21. I have disabled pine
> >suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.  The pine.conf.fixed
> >contains:
> >
> >feature-list=no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd,no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd,no-enabl
> >e-suspend,no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,auto-move-read-msgs. The
> >ownerships of files are given below:
> >
> >	Could  please  guide me how do I disable postpone  message of  pine.
> >Please  revert back.
> >
> >
> >with warm regards
> >Sanjay C.
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >"This e-mail message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It
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> >received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient
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> >Group"), are unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views
> >expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of ICICI Group.Before opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects."
> >
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> >Content-Type: text/html;
> >	charset="iso-8859-1"
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
> ><HTML>
> ><HEAD>
> ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> ><META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">
> ><TITLE>Disabling &quot;CTRL+O&quot; postpone feature of  pine.</TITLE>
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> >
> ><P><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">Sir,</FONT>
> ></P>
> >
> ><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Zurich BT"> I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail address. They do it bye using the&nbsp; pine&nbsp; message postpone feature, user press the&nbsp; key sequence &quot;CTRL+o&quot; and postpone their mail. Next time when user&nbsp; opens the pine, he is asked the following&nbsp; question</FONT></P>
> >
> ><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<B> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">&quot;Continue postponed composition (answering &quot;No&quot; won't erase it)?&quot;</FONT></B>
> ><BR><B><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">When&nbsp; user&nbsp; presses&nbsp; &quot;y&quot; on the&nbsp; keyboard the messages compose window comes up and it shows&nbsp; &quot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; address. You can actually change the&nbsp; &quot;from&quot;&nbsp; mail id.</FONT></P>
> >
> ><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">I am&nbsp; using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21.</FONT> <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">I have disabled pine suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.&nbsp; The pine.conf.fixed contains: </FONT></P>
> >
> ><P><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">&nbsp;feature-list=no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd,no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd,no-enable-suspend,no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,auto-move-read-msgs. The ownerships of files are given below: </FONT></P>
> >
> ><P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT FACE="Zurich BT">Could&nbsp; please&nbsp; guide me how do I disable postpone&nbsp; message of&nbsp; pine. Please&nbsp; revert back.</FONT>
> ></P>
> ><BR>
> >
> ><P><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">with warm regards</FONT>
> ><BR><FONT FACE="Zurich BT">Sanjay C.</FONT>
> ></P>
> >
> ><P>
> ><FONT FACE="Zurich BT" SIZE=1 COLOR="#0000ff"><P>"This e-mail message may contain confidential,
> > proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the
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> >sender does so expressly with due authority of ICICI Group.Before opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects."
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> >
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So often I get mail where people write each paragraph on a separate long line,
and people are quoting previous messages, it shows up like this:

>This is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very long line of a previous message from which someone is quoting.

Anyway, pine is properly re-wrapping the line if I resize the window (which
I usually don't, but I wanted to make sure it was really one big long line).

Is there any way that pine's viewer could automatically re-quote the text
too?  That would make it much easier to read..

It'd be great if it could even send the re-quoted version to the editor when I
reply, but that's not necessary, I can reformat the lines in vim if necessary.

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I have this problem with pico.  It doesn't wrap when it's supposed to and 
hence, emails that are one line long are one line long--Pine has no 
problem wrapping...


On Mon, 13 May 2002, Matt Ackeret wrote:

> So often I get mail where people write each paragraph on a separate long line,
> and people are quoting previous messages, it shows up like this:
> 
> >This is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very long line of a previous message from which someone is quoting.
> 
> Anyway, pine is properly re-wrapping the line if I resize the window (which
> I usually don't, but I wanted to make sure it was really one big long line).
> 
> Is there any way that pine's viewer could automatically re-quote the text
> too?  That would make it much easier to read..
> 
> It'd be great if it could even send the re-quoted version to the editor when I
> reply, but that's not necessary, I can reformat the lines in vim if necessary.
> 
> 


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From: Ed Arnold <era@ucar.edu>
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My recollection is that the "allow-changing-from" option has to be enabled in
the code at compile time, -and- the user also has to have it set in .pinerc
or equivalent in order to be able to edit "From:".  Assuming you disabled that
option at compile time, then if Pine is allowing users to set "From:" after a
postpone, it seems to me that must be a bug the developers need to take care of.


> Sir,
> 
> 	 I have found many times user send mails using other users e-mail
> address. They do it bye using the  pine  message postpone feature, user
> press the  key sequence "CTRL+o" and postpone their mail. Next time when
> user  opens the pine, he is asked the following  question
> 	"Continue postponed composition (answering "No" won't erase it)?"
>  	When  user  presses  "y" on the  keyboard the messages compose
> window comes up and it shows  "from" and "to" address. You can actually
> change the  "from"  mail id.
> 	I am  using Solaris 2.6 and pine veer 4.21. I have disabled pine
> suspension in pine.conf.fixed in /usr/local/lib.  The pine.conf.fixed
> contains: 
>  
> feature-list=no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd,no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd,no-enabl
> e-suspend,no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly,auto-move-read-msgs. The
> ownerships of files are given below: 
> 
> 	Could  please  guide me how do I disable postpone  message of  pine.
> Please  revert back.
> 
> 
> with warm regards
> Sanjay C.


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On Tue, 7 May 2002, William D. Colburn (aka Schlake) wrote:
> I'm trying to make pine and imap work together with STARTTLS. I have a
> real key from Thawte, and I put it where the docs told me to.

What is the IMAP server DNS name and IP address, so that I can contact it
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Where did you install the key file?  If you installed using the IP
address based name, then it won't work for localhost unless you also
install it for 127.0.0.1.

> * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] localhost IMAP4rev1 2001.315 at Tue, 7 May 2002 09:25:44 -0600 (MDT)

This indicates that the server is built with SSL/TLS

> From what I can tell, imapd is advertising STARTTLS, but pine is
> ignoring it and immediately disconnecting. Here is some of what the
> debug file pine produced:
>
> IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [127.0.0.1]
> IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log ERROR: Unable to negotiate TLS with this server

What do you get in the mail syslog on the server?  There may be an error
message that explains what's wrong.

-- Mark --

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From: James Dryfoos <James.Dryfoos@wcom.com>
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Subject: Re: Selecting text via mouse in xterm also grabs/inserts whitespace
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Ok, I just discovered this only happens when I enable Kolors. I am using
force-ansi-8color. When I change to no-colors this problem goes away and a
select ends at the end of the line -- not the end of the viewable screen. Could
turning on kolors result in spaces addes at end in order to pad out the line and
therefore show the background color uniformly or something along those lines?

Thanks, Jim


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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, James Dryfoos wrote:

> Hi,
>
> At times I like to cut and paste text from an email (Pine 4.44 on Solaris
> running under xterm or rxvt -- without enable-mouse-in-xterm) into vi, a new
> email message or something else.  Lately, I have been having problem where
> spaces are added at the end of each line up to the edge of the screen. These are
> inserted along with my selected text and cause the lines to be padded out (with
> spaces) longer than should be. This did not used to happen and does not happen
> with other xterms/apps ... I have been trying to figure out if this is a Pine
> thing or something related to my environment. So far, I have only been able to
> duplicate in Pine. It seems like the actual end of line is being lost.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>   -- Jim
>
>
> --
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Marc,

Thanks so much. Now it works. Thanks for the idea of checking mail
syslog. I should have thought of it earlier. From the log, it turned out
that the imap daemon could not load the certificate correctly. And I
double checked the documentation and found that the self-signed
certificate that we created does not have the format that imap requires.

We created the certificate by using the following two commands:

   CA.pl -newreq
   CA.pl -sign

Then we copied the newcert.pem to the certs/ directory without any
modification. That certificate has plain text description and certificate
body, but does not have RSA private key. However imap daemon is looking for a 
certificate comes with RSA private key and certificate body.

Now we are using command 

   openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -out imapd.pem -keyout imapd.pem -days
3650

And that certificate works fine with the imap daemon.

After we configured pine and tell it to continue with self-signed
certificate, it can log onto the mail server and fetch the mail correctly. 

Thanks again for all the help.

Ziying

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On Tue, 7 May 2002, William D. Colburn (aka Schlake) wrote:
> > I'm trying to make pine and imap work together with STARTTLS. I have a
> > real key from Thawte, and I put it where the docs told me to.
> 
> What is the IMAP server DNS name and IP address, so that I can contact it
> and see what may be going on?
> 
> Where did you install the key file?  If you installed using the IP
> address based name, then it won't work for localhost unless you also
> install it for 127.0.0.1.
> 
> > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] localhost IMAP4rev1 2001.315 at Tue, 7 May 2002 09:25:44 -0600 (MDT)
> 
> This indicates that the server is built with SSL/TLS
> 
> > From what I can tell, imapd is advertising STARTTLS, but pine is
> > ignoring it and immediately disconnecting. Here is some of what the
> > debug file pine produced:
> >
> > IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log babble: Trying IP address [127.0.0.1]
> > IMAP 09:25:44 5/7 mm_log ERROR: Unable to negotiate TLS with this server
> 
> What do you get in the mail syslog on the server?  There may be an error
> message that explains what's wrong.
> 
> -- Mark --
> 
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
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HI,

I wondering is somewhere a converter for a converting a pine
configuration file from an UNIX format to the Windows format (the
location prefix substitution)?

For example I would like to change the "/home/murphy" into a "T:\mail",
but it is not so easy using some editor because some of the elements are
related not only to the folders/directories, and some are also specially
commented (like "\/").

Is something like this exists?

Regards,
Murphy

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On 16 May 2002 Murphy (murphy@pulstar.albedo.art.pl) wrote:
> I wondering is somewhere a converter for a converting a pine
> configuration file from an UNIX format to the Windows format (the
> location prefix substitution)?
>
> For example I would like to change the "/home/murphy" into a "T:\mail",
> but it is not so easy using some editor because some of the elements are
> related not only to the folders/directories, and some are also specially
> commented (like "\/").


I suggest that you copy your Unix pinerc file to your PC and then
over-ride the settings that are specific to your PC by using a
pinercex (pinerc exceptions) files. There are not that
many setting that you'll need to set in pinercex, basically the
following:

  --- begin pinercex template ---
  smtp-server=
  nntp-server=
  newsrc-path=
  inbox-path=
  postponed-folder=
  editor=
  file-directory=

  folder-collections=INHERIT,
     Local folder collections,
     Other folder and news collections that I can access from only this machine

  incoming-folders=INHERIT,
       {local.news.server/nntp}#news.comp.mail.pine,
       other incoming-folders that I can access only from this machine

  news-collections=INHERIT,
       {local.news.server/nntp}#news.[],
       other news collections that correspond to the nntp-servers in this file

  # Set this to the url-viewer you use on this machine
  # To use the default browser in MS Windows, leave this blank
  ## url-viewers=
  --- end pinercex template ---


For settings that you want to append to the pinerc setting, you
can use the INHERIT token. I go into great detail about all this
in

 Compartmentalizing and Sharing Your Pine Configuration
 <http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/sharing/>


Hope this helps,
Good luck,
Nancy


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Ok, I found a user who has ssl problem.  The mailserver is still
mailhost.nmt.edu.

On a Windows 95 box, there is one user who cannot start PC pine.  It
gives an error:

>There was an SSL/TLS failure for the server
>
>                                 mailhost.nmt.edu
>
>The reason for the failure was
>
>                        Acquire credentials handle failed
>
>This is just an informational message. With the current setup, SSL/TLS
>will not
>work. If this error re-occurs every time you run Pine, your current
>setup is not
>compatible with the configuration of your mail server. You may want to
>add the
>option
>
>                                      /notls
>
>to the name of the mail server you are attempting to access. In other
>words,
>wherever you see the characters
>
>                                 mailhost.nmt.edu
>
>in your configuration, replace those characters with
>
>                              mailhost.nmt.edu/notls
>
>Type RETURN to continue.

I had him try another machine, same problem.  I was able to use the
first machine he tried with no problem.  I removed both mine and his
pinerc files to make sure that it wasn't a problem inside there.  After
enough retries, my account now produces the same error on one machine,
but not on the machine next to it.  I thought maybe I was out of
entropy, but I tried exhausting the entropy manually and there seemed to
be quite a bit there.  I have no quota, and he has at least 10 Mb free
in his quota.  The pine is version 4.44.

I set the imapd to use "-d 99", but it produced no useful log messages.
I set the pine to use "-d9" it produced a lot of useless log messages.

Here is the pinedebug.txt, followed by the measly two messages the
imapd created (successful negotiations produce a lot of messages, so I
know they are not being dropped by the syslogd):


10:40:42
Debug output of the Pine program (debug=9 debug_imap=4). Version 4.44
Thu May 16 10:40:42 2002


10:40:42
Debug file: u:\pinedebg.txt (level=9 imap=4)

10:40:42
 
"Y:\NETWORK\PINE\PINE.EXE" "-d9"


10:40:42
Setting home dir from $HOME: "u:"

10:40:42

 -- init_pinerc --

Personal config not set on cmdline, checking for $PINERC
  yes, personal config "u:\.pinerc" comes from $PINERC
Using directory "u:\" for auxiliary files
Global config not set on cmdline, checking for $PINECONF
  yes, global config "y:\Network\pine\pineconf" comes from $PINECONF
Exceptions config not set on cmdline, checking for $PINERCEX
  no, checking for default "u:\PINERCEX" in pinerc dir
  no, there is no exceptions config

  Global config:     y:\Network\pine\pineconf
  Personal config:   u:\.pinerc
  Exceptions config: <none>


10:40:42
init_vars:

10:40:42
reading_pinerc "y:\Network\pine\pineconf"

10:40:42
Read 386 characters:

10:40:42
           inbox-path : {mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/$USER

10:40:42
          user-domain : nmt.edu

10:40:42
          smtp-server : mailhost.nmt.edu

10:40:42
       signature-file : u:\.signature

10:40:42
          default-fcc : sent-mail

10:40:42
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages

10:40:42
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs

10:40:42
         address-book : .addressbook

10:40:42
          newsrc-path : u:\.newsrc

10:40:42
   folder-collections : UNIX {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/${USER}/mail/[]

10:40:42
     rsh-open-timeout : 0

10:40:42
reading_pinerc "u:\.pinerc"

10:40:42
Read 15204 characters:

10:40:42
    last-version-used : 4.44

10:40:42
            font-size : 12

10:40:42
         cursor-style : Block

10:40:42
read_pinerc: time_pinerc_written = 1021566528

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=90, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=66, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=67, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=folder-collections

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=4, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=nntp-server

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=68, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=news-collections

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=5, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=2, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=36, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=32, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=33, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=34, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=157, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=ldap-servers

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=103, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=94, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=personal-print-command

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=71, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=standard-printer

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=93, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=72, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=37, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=38, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=40, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=41, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=42, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=43, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=39, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
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10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=8, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=10, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=11, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=12, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=29, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=editor

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=30, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=35, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=64, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=url-viewers

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=3, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=smtp-server

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=17, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=default-composer-hdrs

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=18, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:42
is_list: name=customized-hdrs

10:40:42
set_current_val(var num=74, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=46, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=display-filters

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=47, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=sending-filters

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=48, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=alt-addresses

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=49, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=addressbook-formats

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=75, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=50, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=95, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=51, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=52, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=31, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=53, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=91, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=92, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=76, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=54, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=77, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=78, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=79, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=83, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=86, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=80, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=55, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=56, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=57, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=9, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=104, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=105, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=14, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=13, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=28, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=70, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=global-address-book

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=69, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=address-book

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=44, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=forced-abook-entry

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=88, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=disable-these-drivers

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=89, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=disable-these-authenticators

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=96, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=97, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns-roles

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=98, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns-filters

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=99, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns-scores

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=100, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns-indexcolors

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=101, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=patterns-other

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=19, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=viewer-hdrs

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=58, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=59, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=60, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=61, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=62, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=63, expand=1, cmdline=1)

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set_current_val(var num=82, expand=1, cmdline=1)

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set_current_val(var num=152, expand=1, cmdline=1)

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set_current_val(var num=153, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=154, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=73, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=102, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=108, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=112, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=113, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=114, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=115, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=116, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=117, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=118, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=119, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=120, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=121, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=122, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=123, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=124, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=125, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=132, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=133, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=134, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=135, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=136, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=137, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=138, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=139, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=140, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=141, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=142, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=143, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=144, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=145, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=146, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=147, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=148, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=viewer-hdr-colors

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=126, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=127, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=128, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=129, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=130, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=131, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=7, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=pruned-folders

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=6, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=incoming-archive-folders

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=65, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=incoming-folders

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=22, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=20, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=21, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=23, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=111, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=24, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=26, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=27, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=25, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
set_current_val(var num=16, expand=0, cmdline=1)

10:40:43
is_list: name=initial-keystroke-list

10:40:43
======= Current_val options set =======
          user-domain : nmt.edu
          smtp-server : mailhost.nmt.edu
           inbox-path : {mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/roopesh
          default-fcc : sent-mail
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       signature-file : u:\.signature
         feature-list : allow-changing-from
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
     folder-sort-rule : alphabetical
    goto-default-rule : inbox-or-folder-in-recent-collection
 incoming-startup-rul : first-unseen
         pruning-rule : ask-ask
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
         reply-leadin : default
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : u:\.newsrc
       mail-directory : mail
   folder-collections : UNIX {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/roopesh/mail/[]
         address-book : .addressbook
     standard-printer : lpr
    last-version-used : 4.44
   user-input-timeout : 0
     rsh-open-timeout : 0
 remote-abook-history : 3
 remote-abook-validit : 5
              printer : attached-to-ansi
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
 current-indexline-st : flip-colors
 normal-foreground-co : black
 normal-background-co : white
 keylabel-foreground- : black
 keylabel-background- : white
 selectable-item-fore : black
 selectable-item-back : white
            font-name : ""
            font-size : 12
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
         cursor-style : Block
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (u:\.pinerc) =======
    last-version-used : 4.44
            font-name : ""
            font-size : 12
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
         cursor-style : Block
======= PostloadUser_val options set (postload) =======
======= Global_val options set (y:\Network\pine\pineconf) =======
          user-domain : nmt.edu
          smtp-server : mailhost.nmt.edu
           inbox-path : {mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/$USER
          default-fcc : sent-mail
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       signature-file : u:\.signature
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
     folder-sort-rule : alphabetical
    goto-default-rule : inbox-or-folder-in-recent-collection
 incoming-startup-rul : first-unseen
         pruning-rule : ask-ask
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
         reply-leadin : default
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : u:\.newsrc
       mail-directory : mail
   folder-collections : UNIX {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/${USER}/mail/[]
         address-book : .addressbook
     standard-printer : lpr
   user-input-timeout : 0
     rsh-open-timeout : 0
 remote-abook-history : 3
 remote-abook-validit : 5
              printer : attached-to-ansi
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
     folder-extension : MTX
 current-indexline-st : flip-colors
 normal-foreground-co : black
 normal-background-co : white
======= Fixed_val options set (NO FIXED) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-alternate-compose-menu
  no-compose-cut-from-cursor
  no-compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-send-offers-first-filter
  no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd
  no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
  no-enable-search-and-replace
  no-enable-sigdashes
  no-quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
  no-enable-reply-indent-string-editing
  no-include-attachments-in-reply
  no-include-header-in-reply
  no-include-text-in-reply
  no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
  no-signature-at-bottom
  no-strip-from-sigdashes-on-reply
  no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
  no-enable-delivery-status-notification
  no-enable-verbose-smtp-posting
  no-fcc-on-bounce
  no-fcc-only-without-confirm
  no-fcc-without-attachments
  no-use-sender-not-x-sender
  no-combined-subdirectory-display
  no-combined-folder-display
  no-enable-dot-folders
  no-enable-incoming-folders
  no-enable-lame-list-mode
  no-expanded-view-of-folders
  no-quell-empty-directories
  no-separate-folder-and-directory-entries
  no-single-column-folder-list
  no-vertical-folder-list
  no-combined-addrbook-display
  no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
  no-ldap-result-to-addrbook-add
  no-auto-open-next-unread
  no-continue-tab-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-enable-cruise-mode
  no-enable-cruise-mode-delete
  no-mark-for-cc
  no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
  no-enable-msg-view-attachments
  no-enable-msg-view-urls
  no-enable-msg-view-web-hostnames
  no-enable-msg-view-addresses
  no-enable-msg-view-forced-arrows
  no-prefer-plain-text
  no-pass-control-characters-as-is
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-enable-8bit-nntp-posting
  no-news-approximates-new-status
  no-news-deletes-across-groups
  no-news-offers-catchup-on-close
  no-news-post-without-validation
  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-quell-extra-post-prompt
  no-enable-print-via-y-command
  no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
  no-print-includes-from-line
  no-print-index-enabled
  no-print-formfeed-between-messages
  no-enable-aggregate-command-set
  no-enable-arrow-navigation
  no-enable-arrow-navigation-relaxed
  no-enable-bounce-cmd
  no-enable-exit-via-lessthan-command
  no-enable-flag-cmd
  no-enable-flag-screen-implicitly
  no-enable-full-header-cmd
  no-enable-goto-in-file-browser
  no-enable-jump-shortcut
  no-enable-partial-match-lists
  no-enable-tab-completion
  no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
  no-auto-unzoom-after-apply
  no-auto-zoom-after-select
  no-check-newmail-when-quitting
  no-confirm-role-even-for-default
  no-disable-keymenu
  no-disable-take-last-comma-first
  no-enable-dot-files
  no-enable-fast-recent-test
  no-enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-mouse-in-xterm
  no-enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
  no-enable-rules-under-take
  no-enable-suspend
  no-enable-take-export
  no-enable-tray-icon
  no-expose-hidden-config
  no-expunge-only-manually
  no-expunge-without-confirm
  no-expunge-without-confirm-everywhere
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-quell-content-id
  no-quell-folder-internal-msg
  no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
  no-quell-ssl-largeblocks
  no-quell-status-message-beeping
  no-quit-without-confirm
  no-save-will-advance
  no-save-will-not-delete
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
  no-select-without-confirm
  no-show-cursor
  no-show-plain-text-internally
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
  no-try-alternative-authentication-driver-first
  no-use-current-dir
  no-use-subshell-for-suspend
  no-use-function-keys
     allow-changing-from
  no-cache-remote-pinerc
  no-disable-busy-alarm
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-password-caching
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-pipes-in-sigs
  no-disable-pipes-in-templates
  no-disable-roles-setup-cmd
  no-disable-roles-sig-edit
  no-disable-roles-template-edit
  no-disable-shared-namespaces
  no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
  no-enable-mailcap-param-substitution
  no-quell-berkeley-format-timezone
  no-quell-imap-envelope-update
  no-quell-news-envelope-update
  no-quell-partial-fetching
  no-save-aggregates-copy-sequence
  no-selectable-item-nobold
  no-termdef-takes-precedence

10:40:43
any_patterns(0x1810)

10:40:43
open_any_patterns(0x20010)

10:40:43
open_any_patterns(0x40010)

10:40:43
Userid: 
Fullname: ""

10:40:43
IMAP 10:40:43 5/16 mm_log tcp: DNS lookup of local name

10:40:43
IMAP 10:40:43 5/16 mm_log tcp: DNS lookup of local name done

10:40:43
User domain name being used "nmt.edu"

10:40:43
Local Domain name being used "nmt.edu"

10:40:43
Host name being used "fomalhaut.nmt.edu"

10:40:44
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"nmt.edu"

10:40:44
Context {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/roopesh/mail/%s: serv:mailhost.nmt.edu, ref:"", view: ""

10:40:44
init_signals()

10:40:44
Context {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/roopesh/mail/%s: serv:mailhost.nmt.edu, ref:"", view: ""

10:40:44
set_current_val(var num=68, expand=1, cmdline=1)

10:40:44
is_list: name=news-collections

10:40:44

***** context {mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/roopesh/mail/%s
LABEL: Folders on mailhost.nmt.edu in /u/roopesh/mail/
  1) {mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/roopesh

10:40:44
q_status_message(Debug file: u:\pinedebg.txt (level=9 ima)

10:40:44
set_titlebar - style: 1  current message cnt:1
10:40:44
  current_pl: 0  total_pl: 0

10:40:44
 0 ?       Help       0

10:40:44
 1 O       OTHER CMDS 0

10:40:44
 2 (null)  (null)     14

10:40:44
 3 >       [ListFldrs 13

10:40:44
 4 P       PrevCmd    27

10:40:44
 5 N       NextCmd    27

10:40:44
 6 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:44
 7 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:44
 8 R       RelNotes   55

10:40:44
 9 K       KBLock     55

10:40:44
10 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:44
11 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:44
row: -2, real_row: 32, column: 0

10:40:44
About to open folder "INBOX"    inbox: "INBOX"

10:40:44
busy_alarm(1, Opening "INBOX", 00000000, 1)

10:40:44
q_status_message(Opening "INBOX"     )

10:40:44
output_message(Debug file: u:\pinedebg.txt (level=9 imap=4))

10:40:44
STATUS cmd:120, max:5, min3

10:40:44
pine_mail_open: opening "{mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/roopesh" (stream was NULL)

10:40:44
same_stream: {mailhost.nmt.edu}/usr/spool/mail/roopesh == NULL

10:40:44
same_stream: no dice

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: DNS resolution mailhost.nmt.edu

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: DNS resolution done

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Stream open and ready for read

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Reading TCP data

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Successfully read TCP data

10:40:44
IMAP DEBUG 10:40:44 5/16: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] mailhost IMAP4rev1 2001.315 at Thu, 16 May 2002 10:40:44 -0600 (MDT)

10:40:44
IMAP DEBUG 10:40:44 5/16: 00000000 STARTTLS

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Writing to TCP

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: successfully wrote to TCP

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Reading TCP data

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log tcp: Successfully read TCP data

10:40:44
IMAP DEBUG 10:40:44 5/16: 00000000 OK STARTTLS completed

10:40:44
IMAP 10:40:44 5/16 mm_log babble: Winsock cleanup

10:40:44
sslfailure: host=mailhost.nmt.edu reason=Acquire credentials handle failed

10:40:44
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:44
@@@@ current:0

10:40:44
set_titlebar - style: 3  current message cnt:1
10:40:44
  current_pl: 25  total_pl: 25

10:40:44
 0 (null)  (null)     0

10:40:44
 1 (null)  (null)     0

10:40:44
 2 (null)  (null)     14

10:40:44
 3 C       [Continue] 13

10:40:44
 4 (null)  (null)     27

10:40:44
 5 (null)  (null)     27

10:40:44
 6 -       PrevPage   43

10:40:44
 7 Spc     NextPage   41

10:40:44
 8 (null)  (null)     55

10:40:44
 9 (null)  (null)     55

10:40:44
10 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:44
11 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:44
row: -2, real_row: 32, column: 0

10:40:44
STATUS: diff:3, displayed: 1021567244, now: 1021567244

10:40:44
output_message(Debug file: u:\pinedebg.txt (level=9 imap=4))

10:40:44
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:44
Read command returning: 0 ^@

10:40:44
@@@@ current:0

10:40:44
STATUS: diff:5, displayed: 1021567244, now: 1021567244

10:40:44
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:44
Read command returning: 0 ^@

10:40:44
@@@@ current:0

10:40:44
STATUS: diff:5, displayed: 1021567244, now: 1021567244

10:40:44
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:47
Read command returning: 0 ^@

10:40:47
@@@@ current:0

10:40:47
STATUS: diff:2, displayed: 1021567244, now: 1021567247

10:40:47
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:48
Read command returning: 99 c

10:40:48
New_mail_count zeroed

10:40:48
PROCESS_CMD return: 1

10:40:48
imap_set_passwd

10:40:48
imap_set_passwd: user= altflag=0

10:40:48
imap_set_passwd: host=mailhost.nmt.edu

10:40:48
Opened folder 00000000 "nil" (context: "{mailhost.nmt.edu}/u/roopesh/mail/%s")

10:40:48
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:48
Old folder: ""

10:40:48
q_status_message(No folder opened)

10:40:48
same_stream: u:\intruptd == NULL

10:40:48
same_stream: no dice

10:40:48
busy_alarm(1, Busy, 00000000, 0)

10:40:48
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:48


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----

10:40:48
new mail called (0 2 3)

10:40:48
set_titlebar - style: 1  current message cnt:1
10:40:48
  current_pl: 0  total_pl: 0

10:40:48
 0 ?       Help       0

10:40:49
 1 O       OTHER CMDS 0

10:40:49
 2 (null)  (null)     14

10:40:49
 3 >       [ListFldrs 13

10:40:49
 4 P       PrevCmd    27

10:40:49
 5 N       NextCmd    27

10:40:49
 6 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:49
 7 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:49
 8 R       RelNotes   55

10:40:49
 9 K       KBLock     55

10:40:49
10 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:49
11 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:49
row: -2, real_row: 32, column: 0

10:40:49
STATUS: diff:-2, displayed: 1021567244, now: 1021567249

10:40:49
d_q_status_message(Debug file: u:\pinedebg.txt (level=9 ima)

10:40:49
d_q_status_message(Opening "INBOX"     )

10:40:49
output_message(No folder opened)

10:40:49
STATUS cmd:120, max:4, min0

10:40:49
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)

10:40:52
Read command returning: 113 q

10:40:52
New_mail_count zeroed

10:40:52


    ---- QUIT SCREEN ----

10:40:52
suspend_busy_alarm

10:40:52
d_q_status_message(No folder opened)

10:40:52
 0 Y       [Yes]      0

10:40:52
 1 N       No         0

10:40:52
 2 (null)  (null)     13

10:40:52
 3 (null)  (null)     13

10:40:52
 4 (null)  (null)     27

10:40:52
 5 (null)  (null)     27

10:40:52
 6 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:52
 7 (null)  (null)     41

10:40:52
 8 (null)  (null)     55

10:40:52
 9 (null)  (null)     55

10:40:52
10 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:52
11 (null)  (null)     69

10:40:52
row: -2, real_row: 32, column: 0

10:40:54
Want_to read: y (121)

10:40:54
resume_busy_alarm

10:40:54
goodnight_gracey:

10:40:54
- completely_done_with_adrbks -

10:40:54
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On Thu, 16 May 2002 11:15:49 -0600, William D. Colburn (aka Schlake) wrote:
> On a Windows 95 box, there is one user who cannot start PC pine.  It
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> >                        Acquire credentials handle failed

That's the key: it's Windows 95, and AcquireCredentialsHandle() failed.

I bet that you'll find that the affected systems have never been upgraded,
particularly not with any of the Internet Explorer upgrades.  The IE upgrades
include important operating system upgrades which are necessary to run Pine
with SSL.

Pine tries to make a runtime test for the necessary SSL support, but it seems
that unupgraded versions of Windows 95 and very early Windows 98 pass the test
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You really do need to install all the upgrades that Microsoft offers.  Even if
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Hi all -

I use Pine's customized headers, roles and so forth to set up the "From:"
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Bounce: command seems to pick up my actual UNIX account name when setting
the Resent-From field, not what I'm set the From: header to.

This bug was noted by Mark Mentovai in the following post:
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/2000.12/msg00201.html
but I didn't see any follow-up answers or responses.

Is this a known bug and is there any workaround? Worst case scenario, is
there any way to "fool" Pine into thinking you are someone else? I tried
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work...

I appreciate any suggestions/assistance.

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How do I find the help for setting up an LDAP
server?

(I've been using pine on Solaris for some months
now in a house where everyone uses OutLook. I now
know there is an LDAP server and I would like to
set up to use it. When I first switched to pine
[from elm] I tried to read all the pine help
topics and that was where I originally learned
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could tell me about the company LDAP server. Now I
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Dear Daniel,

1.  Go to setup and  press "SHITF+D"
2. Press "SHIFT+A"
	Provide the IP address of LDAP server, search base and PORT Number
if not  389.

	 OR	 

Please add following line to  your  pine.conf  file. 

	

ldap-servers=10.16.0.249
"/base=o=ici_user/impl=1/rhs=1/ref=1/nosub=1/type=sur-o
r-given-or-name-or-email/srch=/time=/size=/cust=/nick=ICICIBank Address
Book/mat
r=/catr=/satr=/gatr=",

	  Please change the ip address, search base  and the  port number to
your LDAP servers.


with regards
Sanjay C.

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From: daniel lance herrick [mailto:dan.herrick@pbs.proquest.com]
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To: Pine Discussion Forum
Subject: How do I find the help for...?


How do I find the help for setting up an LDAP
server?

(I've been using pine on Solaris for some months
now in a house where everyone uses OutLook. I now
know there is an LDAP server and I would like to
set up to use it. When I first switched to pine
[from elm] I tried to read all the pine help
topics and that was where I originally learned
about LDAP, but it took longer to find someone who
could tell me about the company LDAP server. Now I
can't find the instructions for using that
information about the server.)

dan


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear Daniel,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1.&nbsp; Go to setup and&nbsp; press &quot;SHITF+D&quot;<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. Press &quot;SHIFT+A&quot;</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Provide the I=
P address of LDAP server, search base and PORT Number if not&nbsp; 389.</FO=
NT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2> OR&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Please add following line to&nbsp; your&nbsp; pine.conf&n=
bsp; file. </FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ldap-servers=3D10.16.0.249 &quot;/base=3Do=3Dici_user/imp=
l=3D1/rhs=3D1/ref=3D1/nosub=3D1/type=3Dsur-o</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>r-given-or-name-or-email/srch=3D/time=3D/size=3D/cust=3D=
/nick=3DICICIBank Address Book/mat</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>r=3D/catr=3D/satr=3D/gatr=3D&quot;,</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; Please =
change the ip address, search base&nbsp; and the&nbsp; port number to your =
LDAP servers.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>with regards</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sanjay C.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: daniel lance herrick [<A HREF=3D"mailto:dan.herric=
k@pbs.proquest.com">mailto:dan.herrick@pbs.proquest.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:49 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Pine Discussion Forum</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: How do I find the help for...?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>How do I find the help for setting up an LDAP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>server?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(I've been using pine on Solaris for some months</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>now in a house where everyone uses OutLook. I now</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>know there is an LDAP server and I would like to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>set up to use it. When I first switched to pine</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[from elm] I tried to read all the pine help</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>topics and that was where I originally learned</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>about LDAP, but it took longer to find someone who</FONT>
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Hi,

Finally getting myself setup to make of PGP using pgpenvelope and
display-filters. Overall it is working well.

However, it would be nice if in pine there was an option to NOT use
display-filters in Forward or Reply so that the original is forwarded.

It appears that bine executes the display-filters on forward and reply
just beofre allowing you to edit the message. This means in the case of a
PGP message, the next recipient gets the output of your filter not the
original conent.

pgpenvelope has an option to prompt you if you want the message filtered
for each message, but as this is done globally it means getting prompted
with a "Do you want this message filtered" when reading as well as
forwarding or replying.

Maybe someone already has a solution that I missed.

Cheers,

Stewart

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I have my messages filtered in pine so that it will only show me the
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Hello,

This may be an easy one. Does anyone out there know how to set a different 
user name when trying to connect to an nntp server that requires 
authentication? My isp requires this, and pine defaults my local user name 
and asks for a password. I can't find anything in the configuration for 
this. tia

- Cameron Stotz
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On Thu, 23 May 2002, Cameron Stotz wrote:

> Does anyone out there know how to set a different user name when
> trying to connect to an nntp server that requires authentication? My
> isp requires this, and pine defaults my local user name and asks for a
> password.

The same as for any other server/folder specification:

    nntp-server =3D your.nntp.server/user=3Dxyzzy

Voil=E0

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I've been attempting to set up the LDAP server, but it appears I have to be
authenticated to it first.

if I use:

  ldapsearch -D "cn=kcrudup" -W  -b "cn=Recipients,ou=IRVINE,o=Pacific Digital" "(sn=crudup)"

I get prompted for my LDAP password (same as my mail password, BTW), and the
search works. If I don't use the "-D" and "-W" authentication options, I get:

  version: 2

  #
  # filter: (sn=crudup)
  # requesting: ALL
  #

  # search result
  search: 2
  result: 50 Insufficient access

  # numResponses: 1

So, even though I try and add the parameter from the "-b" option above to my
M-S-D-<ldap entry>-search-base, it fails 'cause there appears to be no
way to specify the "binddn" ("-D") option's necessary parameter (nor PW,
it appears).

Any hints?

	-Kenny

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I found a post from last year that states the exact problem I'm trying
to solve, so I'll just copy it here.  Anyone have any ideas?
I took a quick look through the source but didn't find what I was
looking for (er, but I didn't try real hard).


scott


| From: Chris Snow <chris@baldric.uwo.ca>
| Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
| Subject: Message delays
| Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:43:10 -0400
| Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0106011540150.19193-100000@baldric.uwo.ca>
| 
| 
| Since I had such good luck with my last question, I'll try another:
| 
| At certain points when running pine (eg: expunging messages with X
| when it display the "x messages expunged"), there is a delay of 2-3
| seconds before my next keyboard events take place.
| 
| I have set
| status-message-delay     = 0
| 
| in the configuration but it doesn't seem to change all the events.  
| Am I missing something here, or is there no way to set _all_ the
| delay messages to delay=0 ?
| 
| Hopefully what I'm trying to say is clear. If you don't understand,
| let me know....
| 
| 
| Thanks
|
|           Chris


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Attached is a patch to version 4.44 to fix the following bug:

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Something very strange happened as I tried to (T)ake the address below
(from the original msg, of course) and
add it to an existing address list in pine 4.33:

I kept getting segmentation fault - core dumped.

When I edited the capital U with the accent out (at least that is what I
see - should be a small e with an accent) and replaced with just an "e"
everything was fine.

Don't seem to be able to duplicate this working from the text below -
core dump without fail working from the original msg with no changes made
to it as soon as I hit control X however.


Bruce Cohen

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:33:21 +0100
From: "[iso-8859-1] Hampp V=E9ronique" <V-HAMPP@arte-tv.com>
To: "'cohenb@worldonline.nl'" <cohenb@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Teletext

wir freuen uns =FCber Ihr Interesse an unserem Sender. Nun zu Ihren Fragen:

1. Das ausf=FChrliche Nachmittagsprogramm finden Sie im deutschen Teletext =
auf
den Tafeln 700ff., die Wochen=FCbersicht ab Tafel 350.

2. F=FCr die Aufzeichnung von Macbeth hatten Sie den richtigen PDC- bzw.
VPS-Code eingegeben (am 12.01.01: 1615) - dass es dennoch nicht funktionier=
t
hat, liegt eventuell daran, dass Sie das Signal schlecht empfangen.
=DCberpr=FCfen k=F6nnen Sie das auf der Testtafel 199. Diese Tafel besteht =
aus 23
Zeilen, in denen sich jeweils ein wei=DFes Rechteck mit einem sz ("=DF")
abwechselt und jede Zeile mit der betreffenden Zahl (01-23) endet. Ist dies=
e
Tafel bei Ihnen unvollst=E4ndig, so sollten Sie besser alle Sendungen manue=
ll
programmieren. Weist die Tafel keine Fehler auf, dann m=FCsste die =DCbertr=
agung
des Codes fehlerfrei erfolgen.

3. Laut Technik-Abteilung kann ich diese Frage bejahen.

4. Die genauen technischen Angaben f=FCr den Satelliten-Empfang k=F6nnen Si=
e auf
der Tafel 108 abrufen (mit etwas Geduld, es gibt f=FCnf Unterseiten!).


Ich hoffe, ich konnte Ihnen weiterhelfen. F=FCr weitere Fragen stehe ich
selbstverst=E4ndlich zur Verf=FCgung.

Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen
V=E9ronique Hampp
(ARTE, Redaktion deutscher Teletext)


De : Bruce Cohen [mailto:cohenb@worldonline.nl]
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 12 janvier 2001 19:11
=C0 : jp-beinert@arte-tv.com
Objet : Teletext, PDC und Zwei-Ton



1) Warum sind die Vormittagsprogramme nur auf Franzoesisch zu finden???

2) Was waren eigentlich die richtigen PDC-Daten fuer Macbeth heute
(12.1.01)? Ich habe die Oper aufgenommen, aber weder die VPT-Teletext
daten 04.01.01 16:15 noch 12.01.01 16:15 haben funktioniert. Ich habe
schliesslisch die Aufnahme per Hand anfganen muessen...

3) Ist der Zwei-Ton Traeger permanent aktiv?

3a) Auf Welchen Frequenzen laueft was? Tontraeger, meine ich...
(bitte genaue Angaben - ich muss meine dickkoepfige Kabelgesellschaft
auch per Hand fuehren....


Vielen Dank im voraus.





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On Tue, 28 May 2002, Richard Blalock wrote:
> I have been using pine for years.  After a recent system install of
> FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE I have had nothing but problems with pine 4.44.  I am
> attaching the output of "where" from gdb when pointed at the pine.core
> file.  I hope this helps.

Hello -

It appears that you are running a third-party modified version of Pine
that, among other things, uses shared libraries for the c-client library.

Please try running the unmodified UW version of Pine 4.44 from
	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/
and see if that makes your problems go away.

-- Mark --

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	I receive e-mail from many lists and in Linux I use 
procmail to sort the mail using To:, From:, Cc, or other message 
parts that allow getting all the pine messages into a file called 
pine.

	I'm setting up a Windows system and have pcpine version 
4.44 which is the same version as this I'm now using. It looks as 
if my pinerc from linux would work with minor changes in windows.

	How do you get pine without procmail to sort the incoming 
mail as desired?

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Denis, if your so inflexible that you will not port pine to your 
linux using the existing Red Hat rpm packages, I will, with a lot 
of others not touch Mandrake. 

I have had a bad time with Mandrake in the past with claims of 
performance that were not met. Red Hat is not perfect but they 
are getting closer.  


On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Denis HAVLIK wrote:

> Hi, folks
> 
> Unless I can present a nice "shut up and leave the pine in the distro -
> the way you do it now is fine with us - of course you have to add
> patches to rpms - who told you this crap about us not wanting people to
> distribute pine rpms" type of answer to our dear developers, pine WILL be
> dropped from MandrakeLinux distribution.
> 
> In case this isn't clear, MandrakeLinux is the second most used
> Linux distro these days, and considering the fact that we attract much
> more "new users" than any other distribution, we are on the good way to
> become nr. 1.
> 
> I hope some human beeing from Washington.edu actually reads this list,
> and cares enough about seing pine included in a major linux distro
> to answer the question(s), or find someone who is able to answer them.
> 
> I really don't feel like changing to "mutt" after >10 years of
> using pine as my primary (and only) email client. :-(
> 
> thx
> 
> 	Denis
> PS: Suppose I'll be leaving this list in a while (sorry, but I'm
> overloaded as it is...), so please answer to "cooker@linux-mandrake.com",
> and directly to me, rather than answering (only) to this list.
> 

-- 
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Setup > Rules > Filters

Not as powerful as procmail, but useful nonetheless.




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On 29 May 2002 Timothy J. Luoma (luomat@peak.org) wrote:
> Setup > Rules > Filters
>
> Not as powerful as procmail, but useful nonetheless.

Another option is to set up Cygwin on your PC and use Cygwin
Procmail, which was just released on May 17. I give links to
Cygwin and Cygwin Procmail in the News section of my Procmail
Quick Start, which is point to in my sig.

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	I'm a bit confused on how pine gets the e-mail from my server. 
On Linux I use fetchmail which uses sendmail which uses procmail. What 
do I do in Windows to get the e-mail from my server to a file on 
windows? Which directory, \mail?

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	Pretty sure I'm doing something wrong. Trying to sort my mail 
into folders in \mail directory. I start pine 4.44 and then to Setup 
then Rules and then Filter. There I use a=add and after giving the rule 
a name I say e-mail rule, the To and give a part of the e-mail To: to 
make it unambiguous.

	Then down to actions and I use Move and tell it to move these 
e-mails to \mail\name and then a Enter. That works fine but when I say 
to save the record, Windows sends a panel sayuing pine has done wrong 
and must be turned off. Of course I have no idea what the fault is.

	So something about this is not working. Anyone have an idea?

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Hello all,
  I want to save my address book in a file.
  How to do it?

  How to create the mail archive from my
  mail box ? ( viewable by clicking the Subject or
  From field). Any tool is avialable ?

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On Fri, 31 May 2002, Bharathi S wrote:

> Hello all,
>   I want to save my address book in a file.
>   How to do it?

Use M and then A to reach the address book. Ues S to save and then E to 
export. There are 2 types of save files.

> 
>   How to create the mail archive from my
>   mail box ? ( viewable by clicking the Subject or
>   From field). Any tool is avialable ?
> 
	Not sure what you want here. My Indian Hindo is worse than your 
English...


> Thank you,
> 

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Hello

I'm trying to set-up Roles. Everything is ok, except I'm not able to
remove Sender line from headers. I know, I can patch the source, but I
hope there is some 'legal' way to do this. Some hints?

Greetings


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