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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:32:38 -0700
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On Thu, 30 May 1996, Jeff Finkelstein wrote:
> Has anyone modified pine to deal with decnet-style addressing, e.g.
> node::user? I would hate to reinvent the wheel ;-)

Pine only supports Internet RFC-822 addressing syntax.

DECnet syntax is particularly problematic, since it collides with RFC-822
group syntax and source route syntax.

I suggest that you use sendmail rules to rewrite DECnet syntax into
Internet syntax, and use Internet syntax exclusively.

-- Mark --

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From: macvsog@mercury.gaianet.net (Leroy Brown)
Subject: Re: Marking text for deletion
Date: 1 Jun 1996 10:16:30 GMT
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Vladimir V. Piterbarg (vladimir@drb-mathsun3.usc.edu) wrote:
: Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@unibw-muenchen.de> writes:

: >macvsog wrote:
: >> 
: >> I am using pine 3.91 and I can't figure out how to mark text and then
: >> delete it. The help guide says to use "^^" to mark the text and then
: >> delete it. I tried putting the marks at the beginning of the text and atYou did that alright. To continue, you must move the cursor -notice that the 

: I think your problem is that you TYPE "^^" (two symbols "^" in a row). But
:  first "^" is not a character you should type, but rather indicates that you 
: have to hold <CONTROL> key while typing "^". So, in other notation, to start
: marking text, type
: <CTRL>-^
: and then move cursor to where you what the block of text to end. Then type
: <CTRL>-K
: to delete it.

: If you knew that and didn't type two "^" in a row, I am sorry. I didn'y mean 
: to insult you.

: -Vladimir

Ok, that was the problem. Thanks for the help.





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From: thu@satellite.oulu.fi (Thomas Ulich)
Subject: Re: TERM problem
Date: 28 May 1996 07:55:49 GMT
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Dr. Jigang Liu (jigang@canes.gsw.peachnet.edu) wrote:
: Can anybody tell me how to setup the TERM if I want to invoke "pine" on
: an IBM RS/6000 with AIX3.2 machine over a SUN workstation with the "openwin"?
: 
: vt100, vt220, vt320, ansi, network, sun. This IBM machine does not have
: "sun-cmd" type.

Don't try it with the command window or anything, open an xterm and invoke
pine within that.  Ideally you can invoke the xterm on the RS6k and let it
start pine right away:

/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -e /usr/local/bin/pine

I am not sure with the paths, it may be different for you, but you can check 
the dirs.  You can even configure your desktop menu on the Sun so you can
invoke pine with one mouse click, but it implies you need to have an .rhosts
file on the RS6k which allows you to login w/o password (only YOU of course!).
Read about this file in the manual pages: 

	man rhosts

You menu entry on the Sun (in .openwin-menu) could then look like this:

"Pine..." exec rsh name_of_rs6000 -l your_login_name /usr/X11/bin/xterm -e\
	/usr/local/pine

(As one single line, I had to break the line, so take the \ away and join
it back together.

Ok, I hope this helps.  Good luck,

-- 
Thomas Ulich  NEW e-mail: thomas.ulich@sgo.fi  www: http://cc.oulu.fi/~thu/
 
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From: "Ashish S. Nadkarni" <ashish@physics.unipune.ernet.in>
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dear friend
	write the domain name in your global pine.conf file in the /etc
directory.that will fix the problem for every user.or use brute force and 
change the setup for ever user.
ashish



On Tue, 28 May 1996, Chavalit Srisathapornphat wrote:

> Sawasdee (hello in Thai),
> 
> I face this problem too. I don't know the real reason! but I can correct
> it for myself by use S-SETUP command and change config in the second line
> "user-domain" to mydomain. It can correct this problem.
> 
> But this method don't fix the problem of every user!!
> 8>
> 
> =====================================================
>  Chavalit Srisathapornphat.
> 
>  Department of Computer Science,
>  Fac.of Science, Kasetsart University.
>  E-mail Address: fscicls@nontri.ku.ac.th
> 		 lit@eng.chula.ac.th
>  Homepage      : http://www.sci.ku.ac.th/~fscicss
>                  http://www.eng.chula.ac.th/~lit
> =====================================================
> 
> On 21 May 1996, Tim Porter wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have just upgraded from Pine 3.91 to Pine 3.93 on my Sun SPARC system (running 
> > SunOS 4.1.3).
> > 
> > When I start up Pine, I get the message 'Incomplete maildomain "myhost."'. It used
> > to work fine with 3.91. Is there a configuration option I should have set? 
> > 
> > Can anyone help? I read the FAQ, but couldn't find anything about this.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> >  Tim Porter
> > 
> > -- 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Tim Porter                                   t.porter@fcrd.gov.uk
> > Forestry Commission, Research Division
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 

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Hi !

I'm using PCPine 3.93 (32-bit-Version, I think) with WIN 3.11 as an 
offline-mail-manager.
At the university I work with Pine under Unix and it works fine, but from 
time to time I have to copy some folders onto my home-PC (My PC has no 
net-connection, so Pine starts with a "Cannot connect"-Error).

I have configured my folder-collection like this:
Desktop D:\Mail\[]

It is possible to read the folders, but they are all readonly, so I 
cannot delete messages. But it is curiously possible to save messages 
into the other readonly folders which Pine has marked as readonly...

And it is also impossible to create new folders: Pine 
writes empty folderfiles onto my harddisk but is neither able to open 
them nor to save messages into.

When I save the first message from a folder A into a folder B, so the 
message will be added, but the line with the "From ..."-mark which marks 
the begin of a new message, has a new character at its beginn, so that 
Pine doesnt find this message.

Are there any suggestions to solve this problem ?

Thanx,

- Mark



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From: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm)
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>That is a bug that will be fixed in 3.94.  If all goes well we hope to
>have 3.94 out by the end of next week.

Will PinePGP be part of the distribution ? It's a nice perl
filter script, that does the PGP support nearly as fine as
elm-2.4ME+19, where the pgp support is builtin.

A wish of mine would be pgp support like a new function:
	- add my public key as attachement
	- fetch others pgp public key from attachement and
	  feed it to pgp -ka to add it to the personal public
	  key ring.

Thanks

	Andreas ///

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Hello, awhile back when 3.93 first came out I was sent a message with
details on how to continue using 3.91 if I chose----like a dummy I didn't
save the message. Does anyone out there have those instructions????? I use
pine to post to usenet groups a lot and I just can't afford the 2-3
minutes that it takes 3.93 to validate the newgroup when I'm posting.
Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but at this point I want my 3.91 back.
Please help. thanks, Joseph.

P.S. If you wouldn't mind emailing me any responses that would ge great.



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Can anyone tell me in plain English what the pipe command does?  I have 
tried it and I don't see what happens.

Thanks in advance!


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      





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Joseph,
Have you tried setting the "news-post-without-validation" feature?

-teg

On Fri, 31 May 1996, Joseph and Figen Tek-Puentes wrote:

> 
> Hello, awhile back when 3.93 first came out I was sent a message with
> details on how to continue using 3.91 if I chose----like a dummy I didn't
> save the message. Does anyone out there have those instructions????? I use
> pine to post to usenet groups a lot and I just can't afford the 2-3
> minutes that it takes 3.93 to validate the newgroup when I'm posting.
> Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but at this point I want my 3.91 back.
> Please help. thanks, Joseph.
> 
> P.S. If you wouldn't mind emailing me any responses that would ge great.
> 
> 



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Mark,
I can explain some, but not all, of what you are seeing.

The usual mailbox format used on Unix systems uses "From " lines as
message separators.  The PC-Pine mailbox driver for this format is
a READ-ONLY driver; that is, PC-Pine is not capable of appending
messages to folders in this format, nor updating their status fields.

The native mailbox PC-Pine uses is called "MTX" and it does not use
the "From " lines as message separators (it has a different separator
format with length and flag info in it.)

I don't know why PC-Pine is letting you append to a READ-ONLY folder,
nor do I understand why creating and using a new local folder is not
working for you.  If you have any additional data on those points,
please let us know.

Note that PC-Pine is not yet designed for off-line use, so you are
swimming upstream to a certain extent, but it should be possible to
save all the messages from a Unix-style folder that is READ ONLY into
a new native/local MTX folder, and have full R/W access to that MTX
folder.

-teg

On Fri, 31 May 1996, Mark Henning wrote:

> Hi !
> 
> I'm using PCPine 3.93 (32-bit-Version, I think) with WIN 3.11 as an 
> offline-mail-manager.
> At the university I work with Pine under Unix and it works fine, but from 
> time to time I have to copy some folders onto my home-PC (My PC has no 
> net-connection, so Pine starts with a "Cannot connect"-Error).
> 
> I have configured my folder-collection like this:
> Desktop D:\Mail\[]
> 
> It is possible to read the folders, but they are all readonly, so I 
> cannot delete messages. But it is curiously possible to save messages 
> into the other readonly folders which Pine has marked as readonly...
> 
> And it is also impossible to create new folders: Pine 
> writes empty folderfiles onto my harddisk but is neither able to open 
> them nor to save messages into.
> 
> When I save the first message from a folder A into a folder B, so the 
> message will be added, but the line with the "From ..."-mark which marks 
> the begin of a new message, has a new character at its beginn, so that 
> Pine doesnt find this message.
> 
> Are there any suggestions to solve this problem ?
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> - Mark
> 
> 



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> If this is in a FAQ, please forgive me.
> Is there a way to change a default editor to something else (i.e. emacs)?
> I changes it in my .pinerc, but I have to use "^-_" to start it.
> Please reply me by email if you can.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> -- 
> - Youngser Park

Yes.  In the configuration screen, usually at the bottom of the selections, 
there is a line that says:

editor       = <No Value Set>  

type A to add a value then type in emacs.
Then set the feature enable-alternate-editor-implicity
this will atuomatically activate the editor you typed in above when you 
enter into the composer.  This way you will not have to use the ^_ command.

Hope this helps!!


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      






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> I've seen the ability to forward email mentioned in some of the online
> documentation for PINE, but I've not been able to fine the procedure
> detailed.
	Was this documentation on forwarding your pine account to another 
	account?
> I have a new email account, and I'd like to automatically forward all
> incoming messages to this new account.  Is this something PINE can
> handle?  If so, how do I do it?

	Not that I know of.  From what I know you have to set your 
forwards on the other accounts that you have.  But if Pine is able to do 
this I would like to know as well.

> Thanks very much.
> 
> VRH
> ____________________
> Vaughn R. Hamilton
> Hamilton@utc.campus.mci.net


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      





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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:48:09 +0200
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macvsog wrote:
> 
> I am using pine 3.91 and I can't figure out how to mark text and then
> delete it. The help guide says to use "^^" to mark the text and then
> delete it. I tried putting the marks at the beginning of the text and atYou did that alright. To continue, you must move the cursor -notice that the 
marked text being highlighted follows the cursor movement- to the last 
character of the part you want to erase. Now comes the "^K". Pressing "^^" a 
second time undoes mark set without any further action. ^K without a marked 
text erases the line where the cursor is located

> the end and when I used ^K to delete the text, only the line the cursor
> was on got deleted.


-- 
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Hi very time i open my mail e mail on carson I get the following
message-can't open mail box lock. access is read only. I am unable to
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Subject: Re: Marking text for deletion
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Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@unibw-muenchen.de> writes:

>macvsog wrote:
>> 
>> I am using pine 3.91 and I can't figure out how to mark text and then
>> delete it. The help guide says to use "^^" to mark the text and then
>> delete it. I tried putting the marks at the beginning of the text and atYou did that alright. To continue, you must move the cursor -notice that the 

I think your problem is that you TYPE "^^" (two symbols "^" in a row). But
 first "^" is not a character you should type, but rather indicates that you 
have to hold <CONTROL> key while typing "^". So, in other notation, to start
marking text, type
<CTRL>-^
and then move cursor to where you what the block of text to end. Then type
<CTRL>-K
to delete it.

If you knew that and didn't type two "^" in a row, I am sorry. I didn'y mean 
to insult you.

-Vladimir


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vaw@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Vickie Ann Woods) writes:


>Is there a way to have mail from certain addresses automatically go to a
>different file(a different inbox set aside for that address)?


Yes there is, but to do that, you need to use a separate filter program.
The one I use is called, well, "filter" and comes with "elm" distribution.
If you have elm on your system, then you have this filter program; if not,
maybe your sysadm installed something similar, and you should check with him.

-Vladimir



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Clint Danbury (danbury@ssnshirt.com) wrote:



: Is there a legal way for my to change my name from 
: "To: comp.mail.pine" to "clint" ?







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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:07:13 +0700
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I've builded pine3.93, but it do not work correctly.  When I compose
message, after I confirm to send the message by press 'Y' ,pine will
suddently stop and has some error message like "received abort signal".
How can I solve this problem ?

Any suggestion would be highly appreciated,
Suwat P.

The following is debug file. (level 9)
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Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 9).  Version 3.93

--- snip ---

 0 (null)  (null)     0
 1 ^C      Cancel     0
 2 Y       [Yes]      14
 3 N       No         14
 4 (null)  (null)     28
 5 (null)  (null)     28
 6 (null)  (null)     42
 7 (null)  (null)     42
 8 (null)  (null)     56
 9 (null)  (null)     56
10 (null)  (null)     70
11 (null)  (null)     70
row: -2, real_row: 22, column: 0
poll event 1, timeout 600
poll on tty returned 1, events 1
Read char returning: 121 y
Want_to read: y (121)
resume_busy_alarm
... composer returns (0x4)
new win size -----<24 80>------
init_signals()
busy_alarm(1, Busy, 0, 0)
busy_alarm(1, Busy, 0, 0)
busy_alarm(1, Busy, 0, 0)
-- pine_encode_body: 0
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
=== sending: busy_alarm(1, Busy, 0, 0)
find_folders_in_context: mail/[]
====== context_mailbox: (sent-mail)
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
Sending mail...
busy_alarm(1, Sending mail, 0, 1)
q_status_message(Sending mail     )
output_message(Sending mail     )
STATUS cmd:120, max:1, min0
call_mailer: via pipe
Opening pipe: "/usr/lib/sendmail -bs -odb -oem" (WRNP)
PID: 22933, COMMAND: /usr/lib/sendmail -bs -odb -oem
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From: Timothy Chan <trchan@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
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In the version of PINE which the admin has recently installed, a feature
is missing which I found really useful in the previous version.  When you
have a "mailing list" in the address book, and you want to add only ONE of
the addresses in the list to a Cc: you cannot.  It used to be that you can
press "s" for select, and only the name you hi-lighted would be entered
into the message.  Now it's the entire list which is entered into the
message.
--
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Subject: Re: Inability to post to newsgroups
Date: 28 May 1996 03:35:14 GMT
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Doug Reade <readebks@wolfenet.com> wrote:
>I've been trying to post to newsgroups on Seattle Community Network >(SCN) for about two months now.  Every post is bounced back to=
 my files, >and I get the message "sh xxxx Memory fault", where the x's are some >random number.
>

Just to be precise, the last three times I tried to post, the messages I 
got were:

   sh: 20153 Memory fault
   sh: 20395 Memory fault
   sh: 20912 Memory fault

Is this any help?

Doug




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How can I get linux to maintain a list of active newsgroups?  When I try
to subscribe to a new group, pine has to check the nntp server for the
active groups.  If I want a list of available groups, pine must get the
list from the server and then get it again when I actually select the
group I want to subscribe to.  There has to be a way of speeding this up.
I run on a 28.8 connection.





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On Fri, 31 May 1996, Joseph and Figen Tek-Puentes wrote to pine-info:

> Hello, awhile back when 3.93 first came out I was sent a message with
> details on how to continue using 3.91 if I chose----like a dummy I didn't
> save the message. Does anyone out there have those instructions????? I use
> pine to post to usenet groups a lot and I just can't afford the 2-3
> minutes that it takes 3.93 to validate the newgroup when I'm posting.
> Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but at this point I want my 3.91 back.
> Please help. thanks, Joseph.
 
Joseph, the pine-info mailing list is an international list for Pine users
and administrators odf systems using Pine.  The folks on the list have no
idea how we have things configured here.  If you have problems with any
aspect of your BCPL account, please contact the BCPL Help Desk at
oz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us, or call 887-3297.
 
If you really want to go back to Pine 3.91, you may do so by entering
"pine391" at the UNIX shell prompt instead of just "pine". However, try
this before you go back to the old version: 
 
o Start up pine (not pine391).
o At the main menu enter "SC" to go to Pine's configuration screen.
o Scroll down until "news-post-without-validation" is highlighted.
o Press "X" to enable that option.
o Press "E" to exit configuration mode.
o Press "Y" to save the modified configuration.

That should speed things up somewhat.
 
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Reference PC Pine for Windoze version 3.91.

1.  In the setup for PC pine, it should be clearer that 
inbox needs {imapserver.domain}inbox.  I suggest that if it's not
set, that it default to sendmail relay host. (I bet there aren't a 
lot of places that use a different relay host from the machine running
imapd.)

2.  Folder collections don't seem to be able to take IMAP'd collections.
E.g. The following doesn't work.
folder-collections  = c:\mail
                      {mailhub.aardvark.com}~/mail

This is a real inconvenience, as users won't be at the same machine
all the time. At present goto works for this, but I've yet to figure
out a way to get a list of my unix based message folders.

3.  For use in the goto, it would be convenient if there was some
abbreviation for your imap host. E.g. go to $sent-mail, the $ would
stand for whatever imap host had your mailbox.

4.  Export needs to be able to export either on the remote machine
or on the local machine.  Similarly for import in editing.  These
would both be tricky. 


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When I start pine under Linux 1.2.6, there is a start message
"Error saving configuration in file .pinerc Permission denied."
All actions on this file are refused.
The Permisions of .pinerc are 644.
What can I do?


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HI,

i guess you could only use the mark option when composing a mail.  To 
edit parts of your email messages, try forwarding it to yourself.  This 
brings up the original mail in edit mode, then you can use the mark 
option to chop out parts.

/Emmanuel


On 30 May 1996, Mark Jenks wrote:

> Bob Vail (sffa3t@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us) wrote:
> : I would like to sometimes print part of a Pine e-mail message. What is the
> 
> Pine support: How about using the Mark option? Print marked text, or full
> message? Sounds possible to me.. What do you think?
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 


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Please include me in your respons what the pipe command does.  Thanks!
Henry

On Fri, 31 May 1996, Beth Peterson wrote:

>
> Can anyone tell me in plain English what the pipe command does?  I have
> tried it and I don't see what happens.
>
> Thanks in advance!
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From: scancm@biobase.dk (Christian Mondrup)
Subject: Re: Receiving 8-bits characters
Date: 29 May 1996 07:59:27 GMT
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Arild Skalmeraas (arild@nt.fylkesbibl.no) wrote:
: This is probably a question which has a very obvious answer. However, I 
: couldn't find an answer to it in the comp.mail.pine FAQ.

: So here goes: How do I configure Pine to receive 8 bit characters 
: instead of the usual 7 bits?  I need to do so to view/send the special 
: Nordic characters correctly. I'm using a Unix machine.

: Could anyone give me a hand? Thanks.

Get pine version >= 3.92 and mark the enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation feature 
list item.

: Arild Skalmeraas   E-mail: arild@nt.fylkesbibl.no

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On Thu, 23 May 1996, LostDeath wrote:

> 
> 	a month ago i started to use pine to get access to newsgroups...
> however i've now a problem ... i'm subscibed to some newsgroups that have 
> thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
> delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....
> 
hi!
Well, I used tin to delete. I deleted the groups by pattern using tin.
They will be automatically deleted from your pine session.
I did.
You can...
Regards...
						CENGIZ



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Could you pleas send me the latest release of pine. Mine 3.91 has been 
having problem. When I send a message it is received cryptic and garbled 
half way though. Thank you.


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    Maybe I have all along been missing something that has been staring
me right in the face, but in all the time I have been using Un*x Pine,
I have not found a way to convert back to 8-bit characters those
characters that come in a quoted-printable form in email or news, for
example, =AF or =B3 or whatever in the text.

    With my particular hardware and software setup (I am using Un*x
Pine 3.93 as part of the software), I can display full 8-bit characters
in any one of the ISO-8859-x character sets.  Some newsgroups and even
some mailing lists send full 8-bit characters, and I see them
appropriately.  However, sometimes characters come in already in
quoted-printable form.  If possible, I would like Pine to turn those
=XX forms back into 8-bit characters so I can view them properly.

    Does anybody know how this can be done?  Have I been missing
something all along?

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From: magnio@datter.pvv.unit.no (Magni Onsoien)
Subject: Re: Receiving 8-bits characters
Date: 2 Jun 1996 19:42:49 GMT
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In article <4oh04v$6jv@bioalp.biobase.dk>,
Christian Mondrup <scancm@biobase.dk> wrote:

>: So here goes: How do I configure Pine to receive 8 bit characters 
>: instead of the usual 7 bits?  I need to do so to view/send the special 
>: Nordic characters correctly. I'm using a Unix machine.

As far as I know pine is 8 bits? (Maybe except the header)

>: Could anyone give me a hand? Thanks.
>
>Get pine version >= 3.92 and mark the enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation feature 
>list item.

(Sorry I don't reply to the original message but I didn't see this 
question until now)

I'm using pine 3.91 for unix, and I have no problems with 8bit characters.

But it might depend on telnet and what telnetprogram you are using.
try configure your telnetprgram for 8bit charachters.

Instead of telnet you may also use rlogin <hostname> -l <username> 

(these things depends on how you use the unix system, if you log in from 
a remote machine, fex a PC with telnet, or if you are directly on the 
unix machine.

-- Magni

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I read the clarinet news  groups using pine. On some articles (I think 
ones with pictures attached) i'm prompted to 'use mime display [y/n]'(or 
something similar).

When I hit Y it comes up with an error message about 'metamail not 
found',  does not display the picture but does go on to  display any test 
in the article.

Can someone let me know what this means and what i need to do to fix it?

Thanks, 

Ps  - can you copy me any replies by email as my news feed isnt always 100%.



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I am trying to correct a problem with replying to a dumb mailer. When I 
try to reply from Pine I get the text Warning: No addresses to reply to!
Is there something I need to change in the pine.conf? I can get this to 
work with elm ok.
Also I notice with this particular dumb mailer the second From: area is 
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Any help appreciated.
Thanks!


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Where is it that you want to change your name?  Are you talking about 
when someone receives your messages?  Because your name shows up as:

	 93  May 24 Clint Danbury      Legal Name change ?

> Is there a legal way for me to get my name changed from "To:comp.etc"
> the good old fashioned "Clint" ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ;-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ;                                                                        -
> ;                                                                        -
> ;        danbury@ssnShirt.com     Clint Danbury                          -
> ;                                 Box 742226                             -
> ;                                 Dallas, TX  75374-2226                 -
> ;                                                                        -
> ;-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      





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As you read news articles use the "D" command to "Delete" them from the
list.  They then won't be displayed when you next read the newsgroup,
unless...

...If you wish to view all available articles still available in the
newsgroup on your news server (including those you have "Deleted"
previously) use the "&" (Unexclude) command. 

If you want to hide "deleted" articles without leaving and returning to
the newsgroups use the opposite command: "X" (Exclude).

You may also find the Tab command useful, which advances to the next New
or Recent message.

All this, and more, is explained in Pine's main help section: "?" at the
Main Menu.  Look down for "Reading News" (or go there fast by using the
"W" command to search for the string "Reading News").

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 31 May 1996, Phillip Justice wrote:

> 
> **** Dumb New User Question Alert! ****
> 
> I use pine to view multiple newsgroups (including this one).  How do I
> have pine keep track of msgs I've already viewed, then when I reenter the
> newsgroup at a later date, show me previously read msgs or (better!) jump
> to the next unread msg?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Phillip Justice
> 
> 




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From: parky@marge.seas.gwu.edu (Youngser Park)
Subject: Default editor
Date: 31 May 1996 11:41:21 -0400
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Hi!
If this is in a FAQ, please forgive me.
Is there a way to change a default editor to something else (i.e. emacs)?
I changes it in my .pinerc, but I have to use "^-_" to start it.
Please reply me by email if you can.

Thanks a lot.

-- 
- Youngser Park

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parky@seas.gwu.edu              | Dept. of EE & CS
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You don't mention which version of Pine you are using (it always helps to
say, as later versions of any software have different features!)...

It sounds like you have managed to set up the "alternate editor" command
(you mention using ^_ to start the editor), but actually want the thing to
be started automatically to edit your message text.

Assuming you are using version 3.93 (which is the current version) go to
the Setup Configuration screen (at the Main Menu type S then C) then
enable the feature entitled:
	enable-alternate-editor-implicitly

You can see helpful information about this, and any other configuration
option, by putting your cursor on the item and typing a "?".

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 31 May 1996, Youngser Park wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> If this is in a FAQ, please forgive me.
> Is there a way to change a default editor to something else (i.e. emacs)?
> I changes it in my .pinerc, but I have to use "^-_" to start it.
> Please reply me by email if you can.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> -- 
> - Youngser Park
> 
> =======================================================================
> Youngser Park                   | The George Washington University
> parky@seas.gwu.edu              | Dept. of EE & CS
> (202) 994-5373 (O) -0227 (FAX)  | 801 22nd St. NW, Washington, DC 20052
> =======================================================================
> 



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Hello, 

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to block mails from coming from a 
certain address. For instance, if I don't want to get any emails from
the address abc@def.ghi.edu, the mails will be bounced back to "abc" 
whenever "abc" sends me emails.

Thanks in advance.

Gary.




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subscribe pine-info Mike Rogers


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I have not been able to find a way to change my "reply to" address.  If
anyone knows how, I would appreciate your telling me.  If there is
currently no way to do that, I would recommend that that be a future
addition to pine.  I know of at least one person already who has had to
stop using pine and start using emacs to compose his email because he was
also unable to find a way to change the "reply to."

Thanks much.




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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Converting Quoted-Printable Back
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Paul,
If you see raw quoted-printable, it means Pine doesn't think this is a
MIME message --perhaps because a gateway or listserv corrupted the msg
in some way (e.g. stripped the MIME header out.)

In other words, Q-P decoding should be completely transparent, as long
as it is a syntactically correct MIME msg.

-teg

On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

>     Maybe I have all along been missing something that has been staring
> me right in the face, but in all the time I have been using Un*x Pine,
> I have not found a way to convert back to 8-bit characters those
> characters that come in a quoted-printable form in email or news, for
> example, =AF or =B3 or whatever in the text.
> 
>     With my particular hardware and software setup (I am using Un*x
> Pine 3.93 as part of the software), I can display full 8-bit characters
> in any one of the ISO-8859-x character sets.  Some newsgroups and even
> some mailing lists send full 8-bit characters, and I see them
> appropriately.  However, sometimes characters come in already in
> quoted-printable form.  If possible, I would like Pine to turn those
> =XX forms back into 8-bit characters so I can view them properly.
> 
>     Does anybody know how this can be done?  Have I been missing
> something all along?
> 
> Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
> Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
> Home Page:  URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart     
> 
> 
> 



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Subject: Re: How to disable "Reply to all recipient?" ?
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:15:31 +0100
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On 30 May 1996, Vladimir V. Piterbarg wrote:

:>Hi,
:>
:>This problem started when our site moved to Pine 3.92(UNIX). Everytime 
:>I (R)eply to a message, I get asked 
:>"Reply to all recepients?" even though I am the only
:> one recepient. It really annoys me, but I couldn't find any options under 
:>"Config" to disable that. Maybe somebody knows how to get rid of that inquiry?
:>Thanks for help,
:>-Vladimir

It seems likely that Pine is not recognising the address that the sender
put into his To: field as you; may be you (like me) have a number of
possibilities, or your normal To: differs from your normal From:.

To cure this put entries into the alt-addresses field in config.

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I am sorry if this has already been covered.  I have read most of the 
messages in this newsgroup and don't remember.  So if it has been covered 
then just point me to the right place.

When using Pine 3.93 in the composer my typing starts at the bottom of 
the screen, instead of the top, and will typeover what I have just 
typed.  This leaves me with no way to write a message.  If anyone knows 
what the problem could possibly be I would be very happy.  I am using Unix.

Another question:

Is there a way to specify an Fcc folder for a news group so that it will 
be the default and I won't have to keep writing it in?


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      





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HWorking at helpdesks, we have been wanting people to send in their 
request forms using pine. 
I would like to convert forms/charts into templates(files) that can be 
(Read) inserted in message text.  Do I need to put these files in each user's
home directory or can I put into the parent directory?  If the latter, 
Can we set up a short default path/filename(f1, f2 etc.) and novice 
pine users can easily read in files? We are using using pine 3.9 with Unix
shell. Any help is greatly appreciated.




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>......On Thu, 23 May 1996, LostDeath wrote:
>......
>......> 
>......> thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
>......> delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....
>......> 


Yes, it's about a 10 or 20 part recipe..


>From Main menu, enter "Setup"

>From that menu, enter "Config"

You will be presented with a list of fifty zillion totally
incomprehensible terms.

Look for this entry:   enable-aggregate-command-set  

Mark that entry.

Exit the config subset of the setup subset and choose "yes" or whatever it
is that asks you about saving the configuration.

Execute the magic keystroke sequence to get you into the newsgroup which
has the thousands of messages.  

Press the semicolon key ;

(Note.....  it must be the lower-case thing)

Press the following sequence of keys on your keyboard:   aadd

At this point all messages should be marked for deletion.  If they are
not, then something is wrong in my instructions and you should go home and
cry over the lack of clearly understandable terms which is so widespread
and pervasive in pine specifically and unix in general.

Go to another newsgroup.

The  ";aadd" thing (without quotes) should work on that newsgroup also.

Press whatever magic secret keystroke sequence it is on your machine that
causes your machine to exit pine.

Sometimes pine will ask you if you really want to "expunge" (or whatever
word is configured for that day of the week) all the messages in some
specific newsgroup.  Other times, pine will not.  The rules for this are
hidden in a secret vault located in the deep tectonic ridge in the middle 
of the Pacific Ocean.

If the question does appear, answer yes.  (Or "Y" or "y" or whatever is
proper for the given phase of the moon during which you are operating.)

If the above rules are followed, there is an 86.703% statistical
probability that the messages you chose for deletion will go away.

I do not see how in this world you, or anyone else for that matter, could
be so obviously stupid-or-unfit-for-your-job as to not be able to discern,
easily and immediately, these blatantly obvious and simple steps.

If Aesop was alive today, it would be "the emperor's new buzzwords"





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Peter,
This is how it shows up when I look at my listing of messages:

234 May 24 Peter Jaeckel      Why is my address ``To: ...'' with pine 3.93 ? 
             ^     ^
you can see your name and not the news group name.


On Fri, 24 May 1996, Peter Jaeckel wrote:

> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am usning pine3.93. Whenever I send anything to a nesgroup and later
> on check to look for replies, I notice that my message appears in the
> newsgroup with 
> To: <newsgroupname>
> in the field where my name should be.
> 
> I am sending from behind a firewall and I am using a Reply-to: field,
> too, in order to get replies to my other address that I can also
> access from home.
> 
> Perhaps someone knows anything about it ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter Jaeckel
> 
> P.S. the trailer below is automatically added by our site's proxy
> server and there is nothing I can do about it...
> 
> 
> ===============================================================================
>     The above article is the personal view of the poster and should not be
>        considered as an official comment from the JET Joint Undertaking
> ===============================================================================
> 
> 


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      





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Elane from Fort Worth TX I realy like you a lot i wish you could see this.  
I hope you dont stop liking me.  I realy would like to go do somthing.


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Subject: Wyse terminals, again


I know this is a FAQ, but after searching through the archives
I see that it is also a SAQ (Seldom Answered Question).

The problem:  Bad behavior on Wyse-50 terminals.  I was assigned
the task of giving email access to about 75 users on our net, with
a wide variety of levels of expertise and a wide variety of terminals.
I installed Pine, thinking it would do the job.  However (no surprise)
the people running on Wyse-50's are really unhappy.  I don't care if
the arrow keys don't work, but the screens are garbled, the highligting
is all over the screen, etc.  I read the FAQ's which said "Some problems
can be fixed with a proper TERMCAP entry", but of course they don't say
exactly WHAT the proper termcap entry for a Wyse-50 is.  Anybody have
any suggestions?  I've looked at every TERMCAP file I could lay my
hands on, to no avail.

Two more questions on the same topic:

What would it take to *fix* Pine to handle the older terminal types?
I would gladly donate some labor to this task.  Does anybody have a
clear idea what would need to be changed to fix this problem?

Failing that, are there any other easy-to-use email client programs
with a menu-structure and online help, which can actually deal with
Wyse terminals?

Again, sorry for bringing this old, old, topic up again.

I would be extremely grateful for any replies.

Charles G. Waldman
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From: flavell@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Alan J. Flavell)
Subject: Can Save transfer from one mail host to another?
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:55:54 GMT

I'd like to use PINE to transfer email(s) from a folder on
one mail host (say A), to a folder (with same or different name) 
on a different mail host (say B).

Is this possible in principle?  If so, how does the syntax
look for the destination folder on the other host?

All that I have succeeded in achieving so far is creating
some bizarrely-named mail folders on the same host that the
mail is starting from.  I'm a little worried that it might
not be possible at all, judging from the prompt -

  SAVE to folder in <mail/[] on foo.bar.baz> [saved-messages] : 

(where "foo.bar.baz" is the system on which the mail is 
currently sitting, i.e A in the above question).

If it makes any difference, I'm quite happy to log on to A
or to B and run PINE there.  I'm not necessarily trying to do
this from a third host, C!!!  I just want to move these mail
items from one set of mail folders to another.

p.s one of the systems has to be PINE 3.91, as I don't have
a newer version available for it.  If this is an issue.

many thanks
-- 
Alan

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Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 16:50:03 +0000
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Vaughn R. Hamilton wrote:
> 
> I've seen the ability to forward email mentioned in some of the online
> documentation for PINE, but I've not been able to fine the procedure
> detailed.
> 
> I have a new email account, and I'd like to automatically forward all
> incoming messages to this new account.  Is this something PINE can
> handle?  If so, how do I do it?
> 
> Thanks very much.
> 
> VRH
> ____________________
> Vaughn R. Hamilton
> Hamilton@utc.campus.mci.net

I do not think pine can automatically forward the incoming mail. 

Anyway you can try the following

1) if your are in a unix machine:

   put a file with the name .forward in your home directory.  If this
file exists, sendmail redirects your mail to the list of recipients in
the .forward file.

   For example, if you has a .forward file containing:

        jd@company.com
        

     sendmail will redirect all incoming messages  to
     ``jd@company.com'', 

2) if you are in a vms machine use the 
  SET FORWARD command inside the mail utility. For example 
  SET FORWARD NEXUS::LARS will redirec your mail towards NEXUS::LARS.


I hope this help

     Roberto



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From: Mark Henning <mahe0003@stud.uni-sb.de>
To: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
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Hi Terry !

Thanks for your Answer !
You asked for more information about the PCPine-Problem :

I store my UNIX-folder with the extension "MTX", so they are visible in 
Pine's folderlist.
When I chose the command "Add folder" I get the message "Folder XY 
created", and in fact, there is a new file on my harddisc called XY.MTX, 
but it is 0 Bytes long (Is this correct ?).
When I try to go into this folder, I get the error "Not a folder".
Then I tried to go around this problem by saving messages to this 
new folder, but there's also an error occuring : "Indeterminate 
mailbox-format".

Is it possible that I have to install the Microsoft Network ?
Or have I to make any changes in the SYSTEM.INI ?
Maybe PCPine does fileread and filewrite over the network-driver ?
(The filemanager gives an network-like error when I try to open a folder 
which is opened by pine at the same time.)

- Mark

On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:

> The usual mailbox format used on Unix systems uses "From " lines as
> message separators.  The PC-Pine mailbox driver for this format is
> a READ-ONLY driver; that is, PC-Pine is not capable of appending
> messages to folders in this format, nor updating their status fields.
> 
> The native mailbox PC-Pine uses is called "MTX" and it does not use
> the "From " lines as message separators (it has a different separator
> format with length and flag info in it.)
> 
> I don't know why PC-Pine is letting you append to a READ-ONLY folder,
> nor do I understand why creating and using a new local folder is not
> working for you.  If you have any additional data on those points,
> please let us know.
> 
> Note that PC-Pine is not yet designed for off-line use, so you are
> swimming upstream to a certain extent, but it should be possible to
> save all the messages from a Unix-style folder that is READ ONLY into
> a new native/local MTX folder, and have full R/W access to that MTX
> folder.
> 
> -teg
> 
> On Fri, 31 May 1996, Mark Henning wrote:
> 
> > Hi !
> > 
> > I'm using PCPine 3.93 (32-bit-Version, I think) with WIN 3.11 as an 
> > offline-mail-manager.
> > At the university I work with Pine under Unix and it works fine, but from 
> > time to time I have to copy some folders onto my home-PC (My PC has no 
> > net-connection, so Pine starts with a "Cannot connect"-Error).
> > 
> > I have configured my folder-collection like this:
> > Desktop D:\Mail\[]
> > 
> > It is possible to read the folders, but they are all readonly, so I 
> > cannot delete messages. But it is curiously possible to save messages 
> > into the other readonly folders which Pine has marked as readonly...
> > 
> > And it is also impossible to create new folders: Pine 
> > writes empty folderfiles onto my harddisk but is neither able to open 
> > them nor to save messages into.
> > 
> > When I save the first message from a folder A into a folder B, so the 
> > message will be added, but the line with the "From ..."-mark which marks 
> > the begin of a new message, has a new character at its beginn, so that 
> > Pine doesnt find this message.
> > 
> > Are there any suggestions to solve this problem ?
> > 
> > Thanx,
> > 
> > - Mark


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 Apparently my "/var/spool/mail/" file is now
 corrupt since the error message upon starting Pine 3.93
 (Linux) is:

  "inbox is not in proper mail format."

 I've had no problems prior to this and I'm using
 a single user system, and no files are changed unless
 I change them...<g>.
 
 Now what?
 


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Hi, pine users!

Is it possible to force a folder to be in a specific format? What I mean
is following:

  the Pine include long list of mailbox drivers for different formats.
  No suppose I go in folder menu and create new folder. How can I say,
  that I want this folder to be in, e.g., TENEX format instead of
  mbox?

  The same question if I S)ave or Fcc message - is it possible to force
  new folder to be in specific format?

thanks in advance

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I am trying to install Pine391 under Red Hat Linux.  I have unzipped
and untarred the appropriate binaries and placed them in usr/local/bin
However, when I type pine to run it I get a message stating that
it can not find "libc.so.4"  How do I get around this?  I do not check 
Usenet often so please e-mail me with any advice at  
smchenry@indiana.edu

Thanks for your help!


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On 3 Jun 1996, Mark Henning wrote:
> I store my UNIX-folder with the extension "MTX", so they are visible in 
> Pine's folderlist.
> When I chose the command "Add folder" I get the message "Folder XY 
> created", and in fact, there is a new file on my harddisc called XY.MTX, 
> but it is 0 Bytes long (Is this correct ?).

Yes, a newly created folder should be 0 bytes long.

I'm confused.  Do you have two files with the name XY?

> When I try to go into this folder, I get the error "Not a folder".
> Then I tried to go around this problem by saving messages to this 
> new folder, but there's also an error occuring : "Indeterminate 
> mailbox-format".

Both of these error messages indicate that the file is not really empty.
Please take a close look at the error message; you should find the file
name in there.

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From: jungshik@net161-61.student.yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Subject: displayfilter in Solaris 2.4
Date: 4 Jun 1996 04:17:02 GMT
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 I found a really strange problem in Pine 3.93 under
Solaris 2.4. I wrote a simple filter to decode 
ISO-2022-KR(7bit) encoded Korean mail back to EUC-KR
(KSC 5601:8bit) and set it as a displayfilter
( "" /full/path/myfilter). It worked very well
under Linux 2.0pre6 and AIX 4.x, but under Solaris 2.4,
it gives me following error messages , the first of
which appears when I try to display the
message and the 2nd of which appears at the end
of 'decoded'(filtered. yes, filter works even with error
messages) message after I hit [return]. 


---------
Pipe command returned error.  Hit return to continue.

[Error: Formatting error: Pipe command returned error.] 
-------------

  Since I know that 'stty' and other terminal related
commands in shell start-up file can be causes of problem,
I removed(well, backed up) all of them(.tcshrc,.cshrc, 
.bashrc,and even irrelvant .login and .profile), but
I get the same error.  More strange is 
'mmencode' works well under Solaris if set as 
displayfilter. Hence, I wonder if there's any
condition to be satisfied by 'filter' other than
that it accepts standard input and writes to standard output.

  On all three platforms, I used binaries available
at ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin.

  For your reference, my filter, "hmconv" is available
at ftp://ftp.korea.stanford.edu/incoming/upload9604/hmconv.c

  I would be greatly obliged to anyone who can enlighten me
on this issue.

      Jungshik Shin









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If a user has two personal names (Prof. A. Jones when writing to students
and Alan Jones when writing to a colleagues) is there a simple way to
change the From: field without having to change the config setup. At
present I copied .pinerc to .pinercb, changed the personal name inside,
and then using an alias I run pine -p pinercb to allow use of the
secondary name in the From field. 

Perhaps a later version will allow this feature in the Compose mode (I'm
using 3.93).

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Hello,
	My brother is using Pine in India and wants an idea of online 
command arguments in order to write scripts. Any idea where I can find 
such info? What are the file names? I have alreadt visited the ftp site 
but did not find the right stuff.
					Arun
					chandrak@njmsa.umdnj.edu
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just testing
-- 
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|                                                                |
|          A mechanism of world inter-communication              |
|         will be devised, embracing the whole planet,           |
|         freed from national hindrances and restrictions,       |
|         and functioning with marvellous swiftness and          |
|         perfect regularity.                                    |
|                                                                |
|            Shoghi Effendi (1936) in World Order of Baha'u'llah |
|                                                                |
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Just testing
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|         and functioning with marvellous swiftness and          |
|         perfect regularity.                                    |
|                                                                |
|            Shoghi Effendi (1936) in World Order of Baha'u'llah |
|                                                                |
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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Charles G Waldman wrote:

> I know this is a FAQ, but after searching through the archives
> I see that it is also a SAQ (Seldom Answered Question).

Well, to me this is starting to become a Frequently Answered Question :-)

To try to determine what your problems are, it is essential to know 
what your environment looks like. So, could you please tell:

- What version of Pine you are using
- For which system you are building it

This could answer if you are using terminfo instead of termcap, in which
case another Wyse 50 tic source might help. 

Also, Pine versions 3.92 and up do have keyboard support for Wyse like
terminals with a proper termcap / terminfo (ahem..), but this does require
a configuration change prior to building it.

I'll be happy to try to help you, but please supply some more info first.

> Charles G. Waldman
> Senior Software Engineer
> Princeton Gamma-Tech, Inc.
> 
> cgw@pgt.com

Regards,

- Richard Gering.

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| Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear:  |
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Is there anywhere a working PINE for VMS version available? I got the 
version 3.91 but this distribution only builds PICO but for the C-Client 
and PINE some files are missing.


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From: djmer@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au (Darren Merritt)
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Could anyone help me please?

I'm using Pine 3.90 under Linux.

Whenever I enter a value for read-message-folder, it doesn't work as it 
should and I get the following error on exit:

Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
Exiting pine.
IOT trap/Abort

Any advice much appreciated.

Darren Merritt
djmer@melbourne.dialix.oz.au




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	Does Pine Support Bulk Mailing.   Does anybody know of a really good
bulk mailing program.
= PhOeNiX =




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I'd like to upgrade 3.90, so I grabbed 3.93 (pine-bin.linux) and 
couldn't help noticing that it's a 3.8MB executable. I'm not going to 
fire up this program without knowing what it's going to do. Is it a 
self-install? Anyone know? (I'm using Linux 1.2.13.)

Thanks!

-Steve



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On Fri, 24 May 1996, Peter Jaeckel wrote:

> I am usning pine3.93. Whenever I send anything to a nesgroup and later
> on check to look for replies, I notice that my message appears in the
> newsgroup with 
> To: <newsgroupname>
> in the field where my name should be.

It only looks that way to you because _you_ sent it. If you go to your
sentmail folder, you'll see that _all_ outgoing email from you looks that
way.  It looks completely normal to the rest of us.

Easy enough, huh?...laters...

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*:  <<Virtual Joe  -=> http://www.creighton.edu/~jduche/>> :*
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	Does Pine Support Bulk Mailing.   Does anybody know of a really good
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= PhOeNiX =




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From: lswillia@indiana.edu (Lisa S Williams)
Subject: Re: Displaying complete header?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 03:07:40 GMT
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S. Lanyon (103123.512@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
: When reading messages in Pine, is there a way to display the 
: complete header (i.e. path, etc.)? I've looked through some FAQs 
: and help files but I haven't managed to find an answer, so any 
: help here would be appreciated.


Whoa, guys, I've seen various answers here, and I think maybe S. Lanyon
may be being misread, not careless. I'm here for what is likely the same
question. I *HAVE* enabled full headers through Configuration. My problem
is that "full headers" doesn't include the *complete* path of a received
message. What I'm needing right now is the info on the full path that the
message followed. I know that some people's mail programs have that info,
plus the time that the mail was actually sent, not just the time it was
received at my local host. I'm running Pine 3.91. Someone has indicated
to me that perhaps this feature is available on 3.93 and that I'd have to
try to exit Pine and edit my mail folder to get the *complete* header
info in 3.91. Unfortunately, I know how to edit mail files outside of
pine, but I don't know what I'd have to do to a Mail folder to get that
info. For all I know, this may even be a problem related to the system
here at my institution--perhaps they have set it up so as not to display
all the info for an incoming message if full header mode--just the local
machine info. 

I've read helpfiles and archives and updates and tried to find this info
in a FAQ, and I'm stymied. Anybody got an answer?

--Bou


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Dear LostDeath,

What's tin?

Pl enlighten.
Thanks in advance.

Dr S.////

On Thu, 30 May 1996, Cengiz Acarturk wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 23 May 1996, LostDeath wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	a month ago i started to use pine to get access to newsgroups...
> > however i've now a problem ... i'm subscibed to some newsgroups that have 
> > thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
> > delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....
> > 
> hi!
> Well, I used tin to delete. I deleted the groups by pattern using tin.
> They will be automatically deleted from your pine session.
> I did.
> You can...
> Regards...
> 						CENGIZ
> 
> 


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From: Jungshik Shin <jungshik@net161-61.student.yale.edu>
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:11:07 -0400
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  I like 'displayfilter' added in Pine 3.92 or later very much and
I think it would be nice to have 'printfilter' as well.
I'm aware that alternative print command can be used, 
but 'printfilter' can be handy if one uses Pine on
remote host via dial-up connection(just Unix shell access) and
wants to print out with a printer attached to a local 
computer(print via 'attached ANSI'). In that case, command like
'filter | lpr' doesn't work and need for 'printfilter' 
arises. It'd be also nice if one can specify more than one
printer filter and is prompted for selection.

   Jungshik Shin



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From: oerjan@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
Subject: Why does pine use Q-P internally?
Date: 4 Jun 1996 21:55:20 GMT
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References: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960602173344.2927A-100000@access2.digex.net> <Pine.ULT.3.94.960603082637.7146f-100000@shiva2.cac.washington.edu>

In article <Pine.ULT.3.94.960603082637.7146f-100000@shiva2.cac.washington.edu>,
Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu> wrote:
>Paul,
>If you see raw quoted-printable, it means Pine doesn't think this is a
>MIME message --perhaps because a gateway or listserv corrupted the msg
>in some way (e.g. stripped the MIME header out.)
>
>In other words, Q-P decoding should be completely transparent, as long
>as it is a syntactically correct MIME msg.

Which reminds me, why does pine use Q-P in its folder format? I sometimes
use "less" to browse through a saved mail folder, and it would be more
useful to have the folder in 8bit format, even if the original message
was received as Q-P. Nowadays this is becoming less of an issue for me
as our sendmail already converts incoming Q-P messages, but my sent-mail
folders still contain Q-P.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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Subject: Re: Can Save transfer from one mail host to another?
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:28:29 +0000
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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Alan J. Flavell wrote:

:>I'd like to use PINE to transfer email(s) from a folder on
:>one mail host (say A), to a folder (with same or different name)
:>on a different mail host (say B).
:>
:>Is this possible in principle?  If so, how does the syntax
:>look for the destination folder on the other host?
:>

Well, here is one way of doing it.
Declare a folder collection on the target system. Quit and reenter if
necessary (which will at some point cause you to quuote the password for
the target system).

select the individual or group of messages to be Saved, but instead of
responding to the prompt us the "To Folders" option (^T), move to the
relevant collection, give a name, and it will all happen.

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From: aa5gle@zen.sunderland.ac.uk (gary.lemmon)
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Date: 4 Jun 1996 11:58:10 GMT

--
I have a bit of an odd situation here! My sysop doesn't know how to enable
user access to the cgi-bin directory so that I can uset GET/POST from my
website. 

I am calling upon you to let me know how this guy can go about letting me
use cgi scripts e.t.c. Because he doesn't seem to know really. 

eMail me on aa5gle@zen.sunderland.ac.uk if u like...

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        Fun!       (__\	                  /__)      Gary   8-)
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From: aaron@xmission.com (Aaron M. Scarisbrick)
Subject: Re: Wyse terminals, again
Date: 4 Jun 1996 16:49:59 GMT
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Charles G Waldman (cgw@pgt.com) wrote:
: I know this is a FAQ, but after searching through the archives
: I see that it is also a SAQ (Seldom Answered Question).
: 
: The problem:  Bad behavior on Wyse-50 terminals.  I was assigned

Funny you should ask, as I just had to do this.  The fix to my problem was
two things:

1) In pine/makefile.xxx and pico/makefile.xxx (where xxx is sv4 or whatever
your system is) on the STDCFLAGS line add -DTERMCAP_WINS and this will make
the arrow keys work on the Wyse terminals.  Be advised that they will have
to use the "Delete" key for deleting characters because "Backspace" is the
exact same control sequence as the left arrow key.  Also, because ^K is the
up arrow key, you will have to use the Esc-Esc-K equivalent for "Cut Text".
My makefile line looked like:

STDCFLAGS=      -Dsv4 -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DTERMCAP_WINS

2) I also had weird (what looked like) termcap problems, but what it turned
out to be was that pine & pico were swallowing the XON/XOFF characters, and
thus screwing up the display to varying degrees. What I had to do to fix it
was in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf I added to the "feature-list" line the
preserve-start-stop-characters and assume-slow-link options, and that fixed
up the Wyse terminals nicely. My pine.conf line looked like:

feature-list= preserve-start-stop-characters, assume-slow-link

After re-building with the new makefile options, and the new options in the
pine.conf file, everything now works great!  As a final sidebar, if you are
trying to build pine3.93 on a pyramid running dcosx, make sure you have the
latest cc from pyramid (4.0 I think), otherwise you're in for SEGV city ;-)

FWIW,

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Does anyone know how to show the size (in bytes) of messages in a newsgroup ?
I have set index-format to "STATUS MSGNO FROM SIZE SUBJECT", but Pine only
shows the message size when I'm reading my incoming folders.

Is this a bug of some sort or are there some Pine flags which I'm currently
unaware of %-)

Thanks in advance,

- Robin
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Vladimir,

Thanks for the info. I don't have the right software, yet this 
information will come in handy in the near future.

Vickie

On 31 May 1996, Vladimir V. Piterbarg wrote:

> vaw@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Vickie Ann Woods) writes:
> 
> 
> >Is there a way to have mail from certain addresses automatically go to a
> >different file(a different inbox set aside for that address)?
> 
> 
> Yes there is, but to do that, you need to use a separate filter program.
> The one I use is called, well, "filter" and comes with "elm" distribution.
> If you have elm on your system, then you have this filter program; if not,
> maybe your sysadm installed something similar, and you should check with him.
> 
> -Vladimir
> 
> 


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STILL HAVING TROUBLE?  PERHAPS CTRL-6 INSTEAD OF TWO UPPERCASE 6 KEYS IS
YOUR PROBLEM?  just a thought...when you said "marks" (plural) i started
thinking...(which i try to avoid, generally)...Yea or Nay? -30-

On Wed, 29 May 1996, macvsog wrote:

> I am using pine 3.91 and I can't figure out how to mark text and then
> delete it. The help guide says to use "^^" to mark the text and then
> delete it. I tried putting the marks at the beginning of the text and at
				 *****
> the end and when I used ^K to delete the text, only the line the cursor
> was on got deleted.
> I would appreciate any help on this.
> Thanks
>
>
>




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I didn't see anything in the config screen (in 3.91) where you can send a 
message without confirming.  Does anyone know if there is a way to do this?

Thanks in advance!!!


Beth Peterson           
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This problem will be addressed in Pine 3.94 with some new options.... 

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Jacques Talbot wrote:

> From: Jacques Talbot <J.Talbot@frec.bull.fr>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: by-nick-of-from behavior is strange in 3.93
> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:41:42 +0200
> Organization: Bull Open Systems Platforms Business Unit
> Message-ID: <31B53A36.FF6@frec.bull.fr>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: egalmc2.frec.bull.fr
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; U; AIX 1)
> 
> The behavior of the by-nick-of-from option in the saved-msg-name-rule
> in the config menu of pine 3.93 is not what I would expect:
> 
>   if the from: field is in the .addressbook, pine saves to nickname: OK
>   if the from: field is not in the .addressbook, pine saves in
>   the default "saved-messages" folder, while I would expect it to save to
>   name derived from the by-from option. Looks more intuitive
>   Somehow the option should be named: by-nick-of-from-then-from
> 
> Before submitting a Bug report, I would like to be sure I am not
> missing something.
> 
> Thanks for your collective help
> --
> Jacques Talbot   Bull   1 rue de Provence BP208  38432 Echirolles CEDEX France
> Email:J.Talbot@frec.bull.fr               DOAS:  /BULL/FRECX/TALBOT J.
> Phone: +33 7629 7519                      FAX: +33 7629 7089
> 
> 



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References: <Pine.A32.3.91.960530220704.98537H-100000-100000@rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr> <Pine.OSF.3.91.960605082708.17305B-100000@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>

Dr Shilpa Pratap (shilpa@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in) wrote:

: What's tin?

tin is a Unix newsreader. I use it to read /respond to the newsgroups in 
prefernce to PINE.

Like the rest  of the unix world (to an outsider , at least) it has its 
share of odd features - but once you get used to it its fine.

For me the major advantage over Pine is the way it groups postings and 
responses in 'threads' so you can quickly follow or skip all the posts on 
a particular subject.

Hope that helps..

clam




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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Steve Cabito wrote:

> I'd like to upgrade 3.90, so I grabbed 3.93 (pine-bin.linux) and 
> couldn't help noticing that it's a 3.8MB executable. I'm not going to 
> fire up this program without knowing what it's going to do. Is it a 
> self-install? Anyone know? (I'm using Linux 1.2.13.)
> 
> Thanks!

Let's see... On my Linux 1.2.13 system the Pine executable I just built
(bin/pine) is sized 5136382 bytes. That's 4.89Mb. I win! :-) 

I don't know if the pine-bin.linux you downloaded is self extracting or
not (where did you get it from?), but it could very well just be a pine
binary with some debug symbol leftovers. Try to run "strip" on it and see
if it shrinks. Over here, this will reduce the size of the binary to 1.6Mb. 

Regards,

- Richard.


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On 4 Jun 1996, Orjan Johansen wrote:
> Which reminds me, why does pine use Q-P in its folder format? I sometimes
> use "less" to browse through a saved mail folder, and it would be more
> useful to have the folder in 8bit format, even if the original message
> was received as Q-P. Nowadays this is becoming less of an issue for me
> as our sendmail already converts incoming Q-P messages, but my sent-mail
> folders still contain Q-P.

Your real question is: "Why doesn't Pine rewrite folders to convert Q-P to
8bit"?

The answer is that we think it's morally wrong to tamper with message
internals.   We leave it in the same text that it arrived.

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.



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If you have been using the searchable full-text index of the Pine
Discussion Forum archives on the World Wide Web -- 

URL:   http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ 

-- to search for previous discourse on a topic of interest, you may have
found that your query retrieved many messages of little relevance to the
subject.  For example, your query on "PGP" ("pretty good privacy" 
encryption) might have retrieved a message that has nothing to do with that
topic, but contained a 'signature' with the message sender's PGP key. 

To overcome that problem, the WWW Pine Discussion Forum archives now
include a searchable index of ONLY the subject lines of messages (based on
the assumption that the subject line adequately summarizes most messages'
content). 

On the page at the aforementioned URL, you will now find two "search" 
links: one for the familiar full-text index, and a new one (below it) for
the subject-line-only index.  If you encounter any problems with, or have
comments about, this new feature, please write to: PIC@cac.washington.edu

 ------------------------------------------------------------
  Stefan Kramer                   skramer@cac.washington.edu
  Network Information Center  http://www.washington.edu/nic/
  Computing & Communications        University of Washington    
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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
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Orjan,
While I agree with Mark that an MUA shouldn't modify the CTE of messages
in incoming mailboxes, I'd like to add a comment regarding outgoing
(sent-mail) folders: We've found that it's *really* handy to have in
the sent-mail folder an exact copy of the message as given to the MTA.

I believe that if you use a modern sendmail and a recent Pine with
8BITMIME negotiation enabled, you will have what you want in your
sent-mail folder.

-teg

On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On 4 Jun 1996, Orjan Johansen wrote:
> > Which reminds me, why does pine use Q-P in its folder format? I sometimes
> > use "less" to browse through a saved mail folder, and it would be more
> > useful to have the folder in 8bit format, even if the original message
> > was received as Q-P. Nowadays this is becoming less of an issue for me
> > as our sendmail already converts incoming Q-P messages, but my sent-mail
> > folders still contain Q-P.
> 
> Your real question is: "Why doesn't Pine rewrite folders to convert Q-P to
> 8bit"?
> 
> The answer is that we think it's morally wrong to tamper with message
> internals.   We leave it in the same text that it arrived.
> 
> -- Mark --
> 
> DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> 
> 



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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, J P Slater wrote:

> Can anyone help me with setting up a killfile in PINE 3.91? Thanks.

    Pine does not have killfile capability.  For incoming email (at
least on Un*x systems), you can set up a mail filtering program such as
procmail or (Elm) filter to preprocess (and discard, if you want) mail
messages.  For newsgroups, I have never heard of anything that works
with Pine.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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When I use Pine to post binaries to newsgroups, the header or beginning is
always missing. As a result, the binary is unusable. 

Am I missing a step? Help!


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Sherwood Botsford <sherwood@deimos.space.ualberta.ca>
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Sherwood,
Folder collections most assuredly do work with IMAP servers, but do
look at the help text for the folder-collections variable, as the syntax
is non-obvious.  In your example, you would need:

 folder-collections= c:\mail\[],
                     {mailhub.aardvark.com}mail/[]

Once you have these working, then your GOTO problem should also be solved,
since you can then use ^p or ^n to select the collection you want.

-teg

On 31 May 1996, Sherwood Botsford wrote:

> Reference PC Pine for Windoze version 3.91.
> 
> 1.  In the setup for PC pine, it should be clearer that 
> inbox needs {imapserver.domain}inbox.  I suggest that if it's not
> set, that it default to sendmail relay host. (I bet there aren't a 
> lot of places that use a different relay host from the machine running
> imapd.)
> 
> 2.  Folder collections don't seem to be able to take IMAP'd collections.
> E.g. The following doesn't work.
> folder-collections  = c:\mail
>                       {mailhub.aardvark.com}~/mail
> 
> This is a real inconvenience, as users won't be at the same machine
> all the time. At present goto works for this, but I've yet to figure
> out a way to get a list of my unix based message folders.
> 
> 3.  For use in the goto, it would be convenient if there was some
> abbreviation for your imap host. E.g. go to $sent-mail, the $ would
> stand for whatever imap host had your mailbox.
> 
> 4.  Export needs to be able to export either on the remote machine
> or on the local machine.  Similarly for import in editing.  These
> would both be tricky. 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Sherwood Botsford |Unsolicited email that advertises commercial 
> Physics Dept      |activities will consitute a request for 
> U of Alberta      |spellchecking of all words of less than three 
> Edmonton, AB,     |characters.  I charge $US500 for this service. 
> T6G 2J1		  |There is no warranty of correctness of this service. 
> 
> 



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From: jhd@Radix.Net (Joseph Davidson)
Subject: Convert between Pine and Eudora
Date: 6 Jun 1996 02:05:13 GMT
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I have Perl scripts to convert address lists from Pine to Eudora and Eudora 
to Pine.  They are at the bottom of my Web page at www.interguru.com



Note: I want to write scripts to conver to and from Netscape. Can someone 
send me a Netscape address file (address.htm)

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From: gsully@gsully.osha.igs.net (Greg Sullivan)
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Date: 3 Jun 1996 23:21:21 GMT
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On 3 Jun 1996 07:57:20 -0700, S.A.C. <sac@clark.net> wrote:

>I have not been able to find a way to change my "reply to" address.  If
>anyone knows how, I would appreciate your telling me.  If there is
>currently no way to do that, I would recommend that that be a future
>addition to pine.  I know of at least one person already who has had to
>stop using pine and start using emacs to compose his email because he was
>also unable to find a way to change the "reply to."

     Check out the `customized-hdrs' and `default-composer-hdrs' options 
in the Pine Setup.  Basically `customized-hdrs=Reply-to:you@here' will 
change your default reply to address [replace you@here with the e-mail 
address that you wish to use.


-- 
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From: Jean Richelle <jean@ucmbsun1.ulb.ac.be>
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:11:13 +0200
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Hi,

I just installed the 3.93 version of pine and have been very pleased to
read that it support x functionalities.

I can verify that it was the case for
	enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon

But for enable-mouse-in-xterm, I couldn't notice nothing new.
The explanation in the help is not sufficient for me to understand what I
can gain.
 
This feature controls whether or not an X terminal mouse can be used with
Pine.  If set, and the $DISPLAY variable indicates that an X terminal is
being used, the left mouse button on the mouse can be used to select text
or commands. 
 
Note: if this feature is set, the behavior of X terminal cut-and-paste is
also modified.  It is necessary to hold the shift key down while clicking
left or middle mouse buttons for the normal xterm cut/paste operations.
 

I have the impression that discussion took place around cut&paste, sorry
to raise again this issue, but what I read is not sufficient for me.

More specifically, can anybody tell how I can "select commands" ?

I would like to know if something is not wrong in the installation here.


Thank you for any type of help

Jean

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Some users on our machine are running into this problem.  If they quit
suddenly (e.g., turning computer off), pine then becomes a runaway process
invisible to the use (see example below)--unless they run "ps -aux".  The
runaway process then deletes (so it appears, I have not been able to
confirm that yet) the user's mail as it arrives.  Is there something wrong
with the way pine was installed on our system?  I've used pine on many
machines and it's only at Rutgers that I noticed this problem. 
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Beth Peterson wrote:
> 	(snip)
> This is another question that I think is not possible but, I gotta ask.  
> Is there a way, that when you receive a message from a person who is 
> sending a message to a distribution list, so that you won't have to see 
> all 100 and some other names that the message was sent to?
> 
	Sure: write to the sender to say that (s)he should be
using pine 3.93 with Lcc: in the default headers, and putting
the nickname for that list into it! 
	Of course, if said sender is pine-deprived, this will
decrease your popularity .... ;-) 

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I am a student at the university of illinois at chicago.  I am in a class
where we are dealing with searching the net and stuff and submitting our
class assignments to each other on listserve.  For this reason we had to
open icarus accounts.  I did, but I seem to be having a problem with
getting mail from people. 













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Pine users:

Is there any way to not display the entire list of recipients when 
reading mail on Pine 3.92? Most of our messages have 2 pages worth of 
Recipients, so we have to page forward to get to the message (which is 
usually much short than the recipient list).

Thanks in advance,

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Hi all...

I have a problem sending mail remotely using Pine- if i am rlogged in to 
my terminal and try sending mail thru Pine, I get an erro.  can do 
everything else- read mail, file it, etc... 
Is this a Pine problem or a configuration problem or a system problem ?

I'm using Pine-3.93, btw.

Thanks !

..Hrishi

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Date: 3 Jun 1996 13:44:10 GMT
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Magni Onsoien (magnio@datter.pvv.unit.no) wrote:
: In article <4oh04v$6jv@bioalp.biobase.dk>,
: Christian Mondrup <scancm@biobase.dk> wrote:

: >: So here goes: How do I configure Pine to receive 8 bit characters 
: >: instead of the usual 7 bits?  I need to do so to view/send the special 
: >: Nordic characters correctly. I'm using a Unix machine.

: As far as I know pine is 8 bits? (Maybe except the header)

: >: Could anyone give me a hand? Thanks.
: >
: >Get pine version >= 3.92 and mark the enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation 
: > feature list item.

: (Sorry I don't reply to the original message but I didn't see this 
: question until now)

: I'm using pine 3.91 for unix, and I have no problems with 8bit characters.

That's true if your sendmail handles 8bit characters correctly. But you will
not be able to use 8bit characters in mail headers - e.g. the subject 
header - without using pine version >= 3.92.

: But it might depend on telnet and what telnetprogram you are using.
: try configure your telnetprgram for 8bit charachters.

: Instead of telnet you may also use rlogin <hostname> -l <username> 

: (these things depends on how you use the unix system, if you log in from 
: a remote machine, fex a PC with telnet, or if you are directly on the 
: unix machine.

: -- Magni

: -- 
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On 28 May 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:

> Please do not imbed control characters in headers OR in the body of a news
> article.  The results are unpredictable on some terminals, and irritating on
> others.
 
And when you reply to such a message, edit out the control characters so
your reply doesn't do the same damage you're cautioning against!  :-)
 
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chip Old wrote:

> On 28 May 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:
> 
> > Please do not imbed control characters in headers OR in the body of a news
> > article.  The results are unpredictable on some terminals, and irritating on
> > others.
>  
> And when you reply to such a message, edit out the control characters so
> your reply doesn't do the same damage you're cautioning against!  :-)


These control characters are a real pain.  Shouldn't Pine display them
as \xXX escape sequences or something, instead of sending them
straight to the terminal?

What do the Pine developers say?


--  Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>



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LostDeath <l42498@alfa.ist.utl.pt> writes:

Please do not imbed control characters in headers OR in the body of a news
article.  The results are unpredictable on some terminals, and irritating on
others.

 >	a month ago i started to use pine to get access to newsgroups...
 >however i've now a problem ... i'm subscibed to some newsgroups that have 
 >thousands of messages....i would like to know if there are any way to 
 >delete them at once instead of deleting one by one.....

 >			thanks in advance :

 >					     Rui Miguel Sequeira        
 >					     L42498@alfa.ist.utl.pt       
 >				             rmcss@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt     
 >					     http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/~l42498


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From: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
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Can a folder's name be changed?  Or alternatively, is there a way to move
a *set* of mssgs from one folder to another?

For any help, thanks in advance.





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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Pat Schmidt wrote:

> If there is an answer to my question on a FAQ somewhere, please point me
> to it.  I wish to be able to filter incoming mail into pre-chosen folders.

    If you have a World Wide Web browser, browse my home page and
follow the link on mail filtering and such to Nancy McGough's pages. 
She has a great deal of good, useful material on mail filtering.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Can anyone help me with setting up a killfile in PINE 3.91? Thanks.




              J.P. Slater       +   "It's not our fault!!"  
              UW-Milwaukee      +                             
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Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:00 +0200
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> > On Fri, 24 May 1996, Peter Jaeckel wrote:
> >
> > > I am using pine3.93. Whenever I send anything to a newsgroup and later
> > > on check to look for replies, I notice that my message appears in the
> > > newsgroup with
> > > To: <newsgroupname>
> > > in the field where my name should be.

I had just the same problem. Fact is, Pine defaults to showing a FROMORTO field
in your message index, instead of a FROM field. Every message you sent is thus
marked with the "To:" field instead of your own name.

You can change this by setting
   index-format=STATUS MSGNO DATE FROM(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%)
in your Pine configuration.

Hope this helps

-Robin

Microsoft: "One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
            One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
                                                        -- apologies to tolkien





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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Virtual Joe wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 1996, Peter Jaeckel wrote:
> 
> > I am using pine3.93. Whenever I send anything to a newsgroup and later
> > on check to look for replies, I notice that my message appears in the
> > newsgroup with 
> > To: <newsgroupname>
> > in the field where my name should be.
> 
> It only looks that way to you because _you_ sent it. If you go to your
> sentmail folder, you'll see that _all_ outgoing email from you looks that
> way.  It looks completely normal to the rest of us.
> 
> Easy enough, huh?...laters...

     Thanks, I was just about to ask the same question.  So, why does
Pine act this way?  Is the intentional or just a weird behavior?
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Hi all,

 how can I change the from header with pine? I use a ppp account, and
  my address is not the same always. I use right now reply-to header,
  but some people don't use it, so I don't get replies..
 when I tried to change the from header with cutomized-hdrs in .pinerc
  pine didnt let me (it refuses to change the from header).
 can I fix it? please e-mail me.

Thanks,
Shay.


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Hi,
  I am using A workstation, however, all my mails resides in B server
(mail server)... in the past, I used PC mailing client to access my
mails... now, I wish to use pine to access it ... can I do that?  the
mail server uses pop3.

Thanks..

Cheers,
Ken

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Hello sir or ms
	I want detail of mail program and pine program
	but I cant clearly understand on your letter 
	Can you tell me if you are robot or human?
					sincere
					student


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From: caron@jade.jouy.inra.fr (Christophe Caron)
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When I try to reply to a mail with this header :

From: toto
To: caron@jouy.inra.fr

Pine asks me always:

Reply to all recipients? 

But I have only one recipient....
If i reply yes I receive the reply .....


Any Idea
thanks



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Yes, Pine's behaviour *is* intentional, to present you with the maximum
amount of information within the space available.

I believe the thought pattern goes domething like this:

*  When someone sends you a message it is most useful to see who it is
   _from_ in the Index.

*  For messages you _send_ there is little to be gained from putting the
   sender's (your own) e-mail address in the Index:

      -  The presence of your name in the Index list merely shows the
         message was sent by yourself.

      -  There is no indication as to whether the message was one you sent
         to yourself (eg, to remind you to do something the next day), or
         just CC'd to yourself?

*  Instead how about displaying who the message was sent _to_ in the
   Index?

      +  The presence of the "To:" prefix shows the message was sent by
         yourself.

      +  You also get to see who the message was sent _to_.

So you benefit by getting more information conveyed to you through the
Index listing.  (Just remember that if you see a "To:" prefix it means you
sent this message ... should be obvious, huh? :-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Rick O'Sullivan wrote:

> Easy enough, huh?...laters...
>      Thanks, I was just about to ask the same question.  So, why does
> Pine act this way?  Is the intentional or just a weird behavior?



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: J P Slater <jps@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
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1.  No versions of Pine yet support killfiles.

2.  The current version of Pine is 3.93; you should look at upgrading to
    that or the nearing Pine 3.94 in order to take advantage of bug fixes
    and many improvements.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, J P Slater wrote:

> 
> Can anyone help me with setting up a killfile in PINE 3.91? Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>               J.P. Slater       +   "It's not our fault!!"  
>               UW-Milwaukee      +                             
>             jps@csd.uwm.edu     +       -Kei and Yuri..."the Lovely Angels"- 
> 
> 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Shay Cohen <shay@aquanet.co.il>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: From header
In-Reply-To: <4p4fqk$k70@post.tau.ac.il>
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This is not something that is controllable vie command line or
configuration file options.

Instead you will need to make a change to the source code and recompile
Pine.

Go to the pine/osdep/ directory and edit the os-XXX.h file for your
platform.  Look through it for a commented out line saying:

/* #define ALLOW_CHANGING_FROM  /* comment out to not allow changing From */

Uncomment the line, then recompile Pine.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 5 Jun 1996, Shay Cohen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
>  how can I change the from header with pine? I use a ppp account, and
>   my address is not the same always. I use right now reply-to header,
>   but some people don't use it, so I don't get replies..
>  when I tried to change the from header with cutomized-hdrs in .pinerc
>   pine didnt let me (it refuses to change the from header).
>  can I fix it? please e-mail me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Shay.
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: "Eberto de Armas, Jr." <eberto@earthlink.net>
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Not much that you can do once such a message has been received.

Instead, however, help everybody the message goes to by contacting the
sender and suggesting they start using the "Bcc" field to enter the list
of recipients rather than the "To:" field.

Hint #1: Make sure a valid "To:" field is still given -- either their own
e-mail address or something magical like this "Recipient List:;" (it's the
":;" that's magical).

Hint #2: If they're using Pine AND are sending to a distribution list in
their Address Book THEN use the "Lcc" field instead of "Bcc".  (The main
difference is that the name of the list will be copied from the Lcc field
to the To field along with the magical ":;".)

Hint #3: With Pine you can get to see/use the Bcc and Lcc fields by:
starting to compose your message, put the cursor on any header field,
typing ^R.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Eberto de Armas, Jr. wrote:

> Pine users:
> 
> Is there any way to not display the entire list of recipients when 
> reading mail on Pine 3.92? Most of our messages have 2 pages worth of 
> Recipients, so we have to page forward to get to the message (which is 
> usually much short than the recipient list).
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Eberto
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> Can a folder's name be changed?

(I'm constantly amazed by how unadventurous or unobservant some people
are... :-)

1.  At the Main Menu type "L" to go to the Folder List screen.
    (This lists your folders(!) and lets you open/manipulate them.)

2.  Move the highlight onto the folder in question.

3.  Gaze thoughtfully at the command menu at the bottom of the screen:

    ? Help       M Main Menu  P PrevFldr   - PrevPage D Delete R Rename
    O OTHER CMDS V [ViewFldr] N NextFldr Spc NextPage A Add    ^^^^^^^^

    ("Gosh! I wonder what that 'Rename' command does!" ;-)

> Or alternatively, is there a way to move
> a *set* of mssgs from one folder to another?

Admittedly this is slightly less intuitive in the first instance...

0.  (A once and for all step).  At the Main Menu go to the Setup
    Configuration screen by typing "S" then "C".  Look down the list of
    options and make sure "enable-aggregate-command-set" is selected (we
    configure Pine so that this is the systemwide default).

1.  Go to the Folder Index screen, which summarises the messages in your
    folder.

2.  Use the Select (;) command to choose an appropriate set of messages.
    Eg, ";A" will select all messages.

3.  Apply a command to the selected set using the Apply (A) command.
    Eg, "AS" will apply a Save command to every selected message, allowing
    you to move them en bloc to another folder.

Hint: As well as Select (;) and Apply (A) there is also Zoom (Z), which
temporarily hides all unselected messages from the Index listing.  A
second Zoom will include them again.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Hrishikesh Dixit <hrishi@dri.cornell.edu>
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There is no way of us knowing until you share the exact wording of the
error message with us (and when it occurs: immediately you type ^X?
returned to you as an e-mail a few minutes after you sent your message?)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Hrishikesh Dixit wrote:

> Hi all...
> 
> I have a problem sending mail remotely using Pine- if i am rlogged in to 
> my terminal and try sending mail thru Pine, I get an erro.  can do 
> everything else- read mail, file it, etc... 
> Is this a Pine problem or a configuration problem or a system problem ?
> 
> I'm using Pine-3.93, btw.
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> ..Hrishi
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Hrishikesh Dixit                        H:           607-277-8581
> Xerox Design Research Institute         O:           607-254-8653
> Cornell University                 E-mail: hrishi@dri.cornell.edu
> Ithaca, NY 14853          URL: http://dri.cornell.edu/pub/hrishi/
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>
Cc: Pine Information List <pine-info@cac.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Control characters (Re: Newsgroups & Pine).
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Pine 3.92 and later suppress them in the message's body (unless you have
the "pass-control-characters-as-is" set).

However they weren't detected/suppressed from the Subject text.

I reported this as a Bug (using Pine's very handy Bug (B) command) a few
days ago after getting fed up with having my terminal set into bold all
the time by replies to the "Newsgroups & Pine" thread.

They quickly acknowledged my report and indicated it will be fixed in Pine
3.94.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Ravi Krishna wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Chip Old wrote:
> 
> > On 28 May 1996, R. Stewart Ellis wrote:
> > 
> > > Please do not imbed control characters in headers OR in the body of a news
> > > article.  The results are unpredictable on some terminals, and irritating on
> > > others.
> >  
> > And when you reply to such a message, edit out the control characters so
> > your reply doesn't do the same damage you're cautioning against!  :-)
> 
> 
> These control characters are a real pain.  Shouldn't Pine display them
> as \xXX escape sequences or something, instead of sending them
> straight to the terminal?
> 
> What do the Pine developers say?
> 
> 
> --  Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Christophe Caron <caron@jade.jouy.inra.fr>
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Subject: Re: pine 3.93 and reply
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As you might be able to see in this message, your e-mail address on
outgoing messages (and presumably interpreted by Pine) is
"caron@jade.jouy.inra.fr".

However in the message you quote the To line is to "caron@jouy.inra.fr"

Without assistance Pine has no way of knowing that these two machines --
jade.jouy.inra.fr and jouy.inra.fr -- are one and the same (at least as
far as mail is concerned).

Some things for you to try changing in the Setup Configuration screen (S
then C from the Main Menu)...


1.  Set "use-only-domain-name" to "Yes".  This strips off the current host
name (jade) from the fully qualified domain leaving just "jouy.inra.fr".

Check whether this has worked:

A.  The Index screen should show a "+" at the extreme left hand side of
the line summarising your message.

B.  When you start a Reply (there's no need to actually send it) you
should NOT be prompted whether you want to reply to all recipients.


2.  If this didn't work, try setting the value back to "No".  Now try
setting the "user-domain" variable to "jouy.inra.fr".

Check whether this has now worked.


3.  If it hasn't then resort to persuading Pine you are known by other
e-mail addresses too (set up the "alt-addresses" variable with a list of
your (full) other e-mail addresses).


Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 7 Jun 1996, Christophe Caron wrote:

> 
> When I try to reply to a mail with this header :
> 
> From: toto
> To: caron@jouy.inra.fr
> 
> Pine asks me always:
> 
> Reply to all recipients? 
> 
> But I have only one recipient....
> If i reply yes I receive the reply .....
> 
> 
> Any Idea
> thanks
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> =========================================================
> = Christophe Caron	Unite Informatique de Jouy	=
> = I.N.R.A.		Domaine de Vilvert		=
> = 78352 Jouy-en-Josas	email : caron@jouy.inra.fr	=
> =========================================================
> 



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Hi !

> On 3 Jun 1996, Mark Henning wrote:
> > I store my UNIX-folder with the extension "MTX", so they are visible in 
> > Pine's folderlist.
> > When I chose the command "Add folder" I get the message "Folder XY 
> > created", and in fact, there is a new file on my harddisc called XY.MTX, 
> > but it is 0 Bytes long (Is this correct ?).
> 
> I'm confused.  Do you have two files with the name XY?

No, I don't. There are some folders in my directory and I create a new 
one called XY. A folder called XY doesn't exist at this moment.

> > When I try to go into this folder, I get the error "Not a folder".
> > Then I tried to go around this problem by saving messages to this 
> > new folder, but there's also an error occuring : "Indeterminate 
> > mailbox-format".
> 
> Both of these error messages indicate that the file is not really empty.
> Please take a close look at the error message; you should find the file
> name in there.

The name is correct: "D:/Daten/Mail/XY" and when I observe the folders 
with Windows' filemanager or from the DOS-prompt, the file is listed with 
0 Bytes.
Very confusing...

- Mark


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This is a limitation fo current versions of Pine.  Pine is not able to
determine message size accurately or quickly and therefore does not
display it...

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Robin Verduijn wrote:

> From: Robin Verduijn <rverduij@cs.ruu.nl>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Displaying SIZE for messages in newsgroups
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:54:31 +0200
> Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.92.960605154946.6600D-100000@wagner.cs.ruu.nl>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: wagner.cs.ruu.nl
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how to show the size (in bytes) of messages in a newsgroup ?
> I have set index-format to "STATUS MSGNO FROM SIZE SUBJECT", but Pine only
> shows the message size when I'm reading my incoming folders.
> 
> Is this a bug of some sort or are there some Pine flags which I'm currently
> unaware of %-)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> - Robin
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                         Microsoft Word for Win95
>                 From the people who brought you "edlin"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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I have on several machines, It just worked!!

The binaries for Pine3.91 are on 
ftp.novell.co.uk/pub/unixware/freebird/pine

Give it a try, it works with no problems





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Subject: FROM: field changed to TO: field in 3.93's Newsgroups?
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:17:27 -0400
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Hi!

Our sysop just installed 3.93 on our unix lan, and I noticed something I
don't like very much.  Maybe someone can help me to get back things like
they used to be in 3.92? ;-)

What happens is that, for the letters _I_ post only, the FROM: field in
the index of the newsgroup is changed into the TO: field.  Here's an
example:

      4 Jun  5 To: ott.general,mtl.g Re: Doug Young
      5 Jun  5 To: Martin Ramshaw    Re: Doug Young
      6 Jun  5 Daniel A. Szpiro      Re: Doug Young
      7 Jun  5 Elie Charest          Re: Doug Young

As you see above, messages number 4 and 5 are mine, number 6 and 7 aren't.
What I awaited to see is:

      4 Jun  5 Patrick Dery          Re: Doug Young
      5 Jun  5 Patrick Dery          Re: Doug Young
      6 Jun  5 Daniel A. Szpiro      Re: Doug Young
      7 Jun  5 Elie Charest          Re: Doug Young

Any idea?  I played with the "view header" thing in the config menu, but
without success.  

Thanks!

--
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From: williame@cs.unca.edu (Earl Williams)
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Date: 7 Jun 1996 14:42:00 GMT
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I have browsed this newsgroups backlogs and searched for a way to easily
incorporate pgp into pine via the send filters, but I haven't seen an easy
way.

Could someone post the best way to do this?

Thanx
Earl
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Hola!  I have recently subscribed to this newsgroup.  I have a friend in
Mexico and she needs information about the former Mexican general
brigadier, Jose Francisco Gallardo Rodriguez who is now inprisoned in
Mexico D.F.  Can anybody tell me how I get information about him???   

MAKO




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From: Steve Lowe <slowe@admin.aurora.edu>
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Is there an easy way to transfer one's *IX* Pine393 mail folders for use
with PCPine3.93?

I ftp'd several folders to my PC mail directory.  PCPine3.93 detects the
folders but marks them as being READONLY -- hence no maintenance on the PC
folder is allowed.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

 -- Steve Lowe
    Aurora University                            slowe@admin.aurora.edu




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From: Hrishikesh Dixit <hrishi@DRI.cornell.edu>
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To: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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Yes- it is immediately after I do ^X - there is a funny beep, and it
simply says "Error sending". I CAN send mail directly from the command
line so I dont think its an SMTP server problem...

Thanks.

..Hrishi 


On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> There is no way of us knowing until you share the exact wording of the
> error message with us (and when it occurs: immediately you type ^X?
> returned to you as an e-mail a few minutes after you sent your message?)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Hrishikesh Dixit wrote:
> 
> > Hi all...
> > 
> > I have a problem sending mail remotely using Pine- if i am rlogged in to 
> > my terminal and try sending mail thru Pine, I get an erro.  can do 
> > everything else- read mail, file it, etc... 
> > Is this a Pine problem or a configuration problem or a system problem ?
> > 
> > I'm using Pine-3.93, btw.
> > 
> > Thanks !
> > 
> > ..Hrishi
> > 
> > -- 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Hrishikesh Dixit                        H:           607-277-8581
> > Xerox Design Research Institute         O:           607-254-8653
> > Cornell University                 E-mail: hrishi@dri.cornell.edu
> > Ithaca, NY 14853          URL: http://dri.cornell.edu/pub/hrishi/
> > 
> 
> 



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For those of us who keep large amounts of correspondence - who could
use nested (contained-in-more-contained...) folders:  any hope soon?

Or is it to extract and take it off PINE?  /But Emacs perhaps....







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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Masako Kanazawa wrote:

> Hola!  I have recently subscribed to this newsgroup.  I have a friend in
> Mexico and she needs information about the former Mexican general
> brigadier, Jose Francisco Gallardo Rodriguez who is now inprisoned in
> Mexico D.F.  Can anybody tell me how I get information about him???

	Yes, he is a frequent user of pine.  His phone number is
+52-988-555-5498.

	Regards,

		Ed

Edward M. Greshko                       Technical Manager, Electronic Commerce
                                        Control Data Asia/Pacific Region
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:55:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
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Where is the view-header option in config menu?





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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Definitely planned... maybe even in the next major release (4.0x)
In the mean time you can create folder collections that are actually
subdirectories of your main collection  --not ideal, but perhaps useful
in the interim.

-teg

On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> For those of us who keep large amounts of correspondence - who could
> use nested (contained-in-more-contained...) folders:  any hope soon?
> 
> Or is it to extract and take it off PINE?  /But Emacs perhaps....



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I want to send an attachmet along with a message on PINE.  How do I do
this.  I could not find an answer on the online help.

gvp

-- 
Knowledge is power.


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From: LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF CHOCLATE <advise05@rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr>
Subject: Re: Auto-Forwarding???
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:18:05 +0400
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in order to forward mail to new address you have to creat ".forward" file
in your root directory .
          write 
             pico .forward
       after that write following lines in that file for example you want to
    forward me you all mail so you includea line like.

             advise05@rorqual.cc.metu.edu.tr
   hope you will get right result.

On Thu, 30 May 1996, Vandan Parikh wrote:

> 
> 	Is there any way to make my account automatically forward all 
> incomming mail to a new e-mail address.  If so please notify me as soon 
> as possible.  Thanks,
> 			Van Parikh
> 
> IMPORTANT: please E-mail me at <vparikh@us.oracle.com>
> 
> Vandan Parikh-Junior @ *University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign*
> 
> WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~v-parikh/myhomepage.html
> 
> 
> 


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I may be wrong but it could be something with your system.  I am using 
pine 3.91 to read this group and when I display the full header the path 
is as follows for this group of messages:

Path:
fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.inte
rnetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!not-for-mail

so maybe you can look at the path your system gives for the same messages.
I hope this helped at least a little.

On 4 Jun 1996, Lisa S Williams wrote:

> S. Lanyon (103123.512@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
> : When reading messages in Pine, is there a way to display the 
> : complete header (i.e. path, etc.)? I've looked through some FAQs 
> : and help files but I haven't managed to find an answer, so any 
> : help here would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Whoa, guys, I've seen various answers here, and I think maybe S. Lanyon
> may be being misread, not careless. I'm here for what is likely the same
> question. I *HAVE* enabled full headers through Configuration. My problem
> is that "full headers" doesn't include the *complete* path of a received
> message. What I'm needing right now is the info on the full path that the
> message followed. I know that some people's mail programs have that info,
> plus the time that the mail was actually sent, not just the time it was
> received at my local host. I'm running Pine 3.91. Someone has indicated
> to me that perhaps this feature is available on 3.93 and that I'd have to
> try to exit Pine and edit my mail folder to get the *complete* header
> info in 3.91. Unfortunately, I know how to edit mail files outside of
> pine, but I don't know what I'd have to do to a Mail folder to get that
> info. For all I know, this may even be a problem related to the system
> here at my institution--perhaps they have set it up so as not to display
> all the info for an incoming message if full header mode--just the local
> machine info. 
> 
> I've read helpfiles and archives and updates and tried to find this info
> in a FAQ, and I'm stymied. Anybody got an answer?
> 
> --Bou
> 
> 


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      




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From: Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Timothy Chan wrote:

> In the version of PINE which the admin has recently installed, a feature
> is missing which I found really useful in the previous version.  When you
> have a "mailing list" in the address book, and you want to add only ONE of
> the addresses in the list to a Cc: you cannot.

That is a bug which will be fixed in version 3.94.  Thanks.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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I have been testing PCPine for Windows today.  I am trying to determine
the limitations.

My platform is a 486/33 with 8MB memory -- plenty of disk space available.
The system appears to hang when I have a large INBOX.  My first tests were
226 messages - 3.5MB INBOX.  My last test was over two hundred mail
messages but the INBOX size was 677K.

Any suggestions?  More memory??

Thanks in advance.

 -- Steve Lowe
    Aurora University         slowe@admin.aurora.edu




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Does anyone know of a modification of pine which allows offline 
reading/writing?

Also if my company wanted to give pine this capability, where would
we hire a freelance programmer capable of this ?

Thank You

Asim



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Hi all!

I have many printers at my location. Is there a way to make pine ask for 
a printer name instead of scrolling through all of the defined printers?

I tried to write a shell script that would prompt for the printer name, 
but I can't get it to work.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Eberto


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From: xxfdh@omega.uta.edu (Mr. Dustin Fu)
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Stephen Fu (cswkfu@cityu.edu.hk) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: As my boss want to get a copy of everybody's email and save it for review (for 
: 
: security reason), what is needed to change in the sendmail.cf file. I know 
: that there is a 'Bcc'. But How to use it and what is the ?flag? I should use ?

If you can get your hands on a book from O'Rielly & Associates, the
title called 'sendmail' (ISBN 1-56592-056-2).  It has detail information
regarding how to configure sendmail.

: Thanks.
: 
: Stephen
: e-mail: cswkfu@cityu.edu.hk

-- 
Dustin Fu
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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Eberto de Armas, Jr. wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> I have many printers at my location. Is there a way to make pine ask for 
> a printer name instead of scrolling through all of the defined printers?

There is a pine feature called "print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt" which you
should turn on.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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Are any spell checkers available for the 32 bit
version of WinSock PC-Pine?


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
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Asim,
Offline operation (and later, disconnected operation as well) is
definitely planned, and is a high priority for us.

It won't be in the first 4.0x release, but I hope one soon after that.

-teg

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Waqar  Asim wrote:

> Does anyone know of a modification of pine which allows offline 
> reading/writing?
> 
> Also if my company wanted to give pine this capability, where would
> we hire a freelance programmer capable of this ?
> 
> Thank You
> 
> Asim
> 
> 



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From: oerjan@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
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Date: 6 Jun 1996 05:21:00 GMT
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References: <Pine.NXT.3.94.960605132519.4539B-100000@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <Pine.ULT.3.94.960605165118.3337J-100000@shiva2.cac.washington.edu>

In article <Pine.ULT.3.94.960605165118.3337J-100000@shiva2.cac.washington.edu>,
Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu> wrote:
>Orjan,
>While I agree with Mark that an MUA shouldn't modify the CTE of messages
>in incoming mailboxes, I'd like to add a comment regarding outgoing

It occured to me that there are some cases where decoding might be
dangerous, like "=46rom ". I still think it is ugly. Imagine how much
simpler all this would be if files had been based on recursive lists of
bytes rather than a flat string where division markers cannot be reliably
distinguished from the text itself.

>(sent-mail) folders: We've found that it's *really* handy to have in
>the sent-mail folder an exact copy of the message as given to the MTA.
>
>I believe that if you use a modern sendmail and a recent Pine with
>8BITMIME negotiation enabled, you will have what you want in your
>sent-mail folder.

Possibly. At the moment my situation is that I have Pine 3.93 on all
my accounts except the one with 8BITMIME sendmail, so I haven't tested
that yet.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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From: abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy)
Subject: Saving e-mail
Date: 7 Jun 1996 18:18:08 GMT
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Can somone tell me if there is an easier way to save e-mail messages so I 
can download them to my computer.  I am just using a regular Unix 
account, text-based.

In Pine, I can press E to export 1 message into my directory for later 
downloading.  But I have to type the filename each time.  It is a lot of 
work to do that for 10 or 20 messages.  Is there anyway I can save a 
whole bunch of messages?  Just tag off whichever ones I want to save and 
use one command to save them all?  Must be some way.

- Adam


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Subject: Re: any way to use my addressbook on my IMAPd server from remote?
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I would like to suggest a possible workaround for the remote addressbook
issue, which is a big issue at our site as well:

What about changing the addressbook format to that of a standard mail
folder with dummy headers at the top, then standard addressbook format
below?  This would permit remote addressbooks using the folder operations
that IMAP already knows about, without having to wait for someone to
finish implementing an all-new protocol.

PINE could be programmed to:

1.	Keep that folder in the usual folder-collections directory, i.e.,
	mail/[], or even a local folder if the user preferred

2.	Not show that folder in the list of available folders, since it
	is a "special" folder

3.	Prohibit the user from creating his/her own folder called "addrbook"
	(though few users would be likely to do this)

The first time such a version of PINE were run, it would copy any
existing addressbook data to the new addrbook folder.

Thoughts?  I might be willing to volunteer for this programming task
if the CAC guys are interested, and if they think it will be a while until
the newer remote-addressbook-capable protocol(s) and associated version(s)
of PINE appear.

Malcolm


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: "Malcolm L. Carlock" <malc@unr.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: any way to use my addressbook on my IMAPd server from remote?
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Malcolm,
On more than one occasion, we have discussed the possibility of using
IMAP or FTP to access a remote addressbook, as an interim solution until
ACAP is ready for prime-time.  Indeed, the UW IMAP server can already
present an arbitrary file as a MIME attachment to a pseudo-message...

The thing that has usually quenched that idea is the realization that 
we wouldn't have a good way to provide full read-write access with
appropriate safeguards against multiple sessions smashing addrbk data.
Also we still hold the view that the "correct" (ACAP) solution is just
around the corner... :)

We've definitely learned that people get cranky if they don't have
write-access to their address book: in a recent PC-Pine version we had
a bug that made addressbooks accessed via a remote filesystem protocol
read-only, and campers were not happy...

One possibility for an interim solution in the *Unix* Pine context where
NFS access is not available would be to put a wrapper around Pine that did
an rcp of the addressbook.  For PC-Pine users, we have some folks using
SMB (the Microsoft remote file access protocol) to get at address books
stored on Unix servers, but not everyone can use that solution.

-teg

On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Malcolm L. Carlock wrote:

> I would like to suggest a possible workaround for the remote addressbook
> issue, which is a big issue at our site as well:
> 
> What about changing the addressbook format to that of a standard mail
> folder with dummy headers at the top, then standard addressbook format
> below?  This would permit remote addressbooks using the folder operations
> that IMAP already knows about, without having to wait for someone to
> finish implementing an all-new protocol.
> 
> PINE could be programmed to:
> 
> 1.	Keep that folder in the usual folder-collections directory, i.e.,
> 	mail/[], or even a local folder if the user preferred
> 
> 2.	Not show that folder in the list of available folders, since it
> 	is a "special" folder
> 
> 3.	Prohibit the user from creating his/her own folder called "addrbook"
> 	(though few users would be likely to do this)
> 
> The first time such a version of PINE were run, it would copy any
> existing addressbook data to the new addrbook folder.
> 
> Thoughts?  I might be willing to volunteer for this programming task
> if the CAC guys are interested, and if they think it will be a while until
> the newer remote-addressbook-capable protocol(s) and associated version(s)
> of PINE appear.
> 
> Malcolm
> 



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From: billd@voicenet.com (Bill D)
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References: <31B4B151.68FC@cvn.com> <Pine.SCO.3.93.2.960605211240.22352C-100000@pulsar.ciint.nl>

In article <Pine.SCO.3.93.2.960605211240.22352C-100000@pulsar.ciint.nl> in
newsgroup comp.mail.pine, Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) wrote: 

: On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Steve Cabito wrote:

: > I grabbed 3.93 (pine-bin.linux) and 
: > couldn't help noticing that it's a 3.8MB executable. 

: it could very well just be a pine
: binary with some debug symbol leftovers. Try to run "strip" on it and see
: if it shrinks. Over here, this will reduce the size of the binary to 1.6Mb. 

I started out with a pine 3.93 binary that was about 3.8M and it stripped
down just as you describe.

Bill

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I'm trying without success to upload a previously downloaded pine message 
file and pine only shows it as a large text file, not as a  folder 
containing individual messages. Is there a way to upload and reuse a 
pine file? Or is there an offline reader I can use to use the folder on 
my Mac?

Thanks, Bill



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This is another question that I think is not possible but, I gotta ask.  
Is there a way, that when you receive a message from a person who is 
sending a message to a distribution list, so that you won't have to see 
all 100 and some other names that the message was sent to?

Once again, thanks in advance.


Beth Peterson           
bethp@fnal    
Physics Department      




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Steve Cabito wrote:
> 
> I'd like to upgrade 3.90, so I grabbed 3.93 (pine-bin.linux) and
> couldn't help noticing that it's a 3.8MB executable. I'm not going to
> fire up this program without knowing what it's going to do. Is it a
> self-install? Anyone know? (I'm using Linux 1.2.13.)

No, it is the actual program. 
$ ll `which pine`
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      3868281 Apr 21 02:20 /usr/bin/pine*

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Hi,

As my boss want to get a copy of everybody's email and save it for review (for 

security reason), what is needed to change in the sendmail.cf file. I know 
that there is a 'Bcc'. But How to use it and what is the ?flag? I should use ?

Thanks.

Stephen
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Hello all,

I would like to use pine as a news reader.  News arives at ibbs from
a UUCP link.  How can I get pine to act as a news reader?  I have 
played with the options and it still can't find the newsgroups.

Any ideas?


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From: Tony Costa <tcosta@leucs.med.cornell.edu>
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Speaking of headers is there any customization available for interpreting 
the incoming header?
Specifically the "From: "?
I have a problem on our internal SMTP gateway that it adds a line 
X-Status before the "From: " and pine is not able to read it so I get a 
message that says No Message Text in the index and No recipients to reply 
to when trying to reply.
Any ideas?
Thanks


On 3 Jun 1996, Greg Sullivan wrote:

> On 3 Jun 1996 07:57:20 -0700, S.A.C. <sac@clark.net> wrote:
> 
> >I have not been able to find a way to change my "reply to" address.  If
> >anyone knows how, I would appreciate your telling me.  If there is
> >currently no way to do that, I would recommend that that be a future
> >addition to pine.  I know of at least one person already who has had to
> >stop using pine and start using emacs to compose his email because he was
> >also unable to find a way to change the "reply to."
> 
>      Check out the `customized-hdrs' and `default-composer-hdrs' options 
> in the Pine Setup.  Basically `customized-hdrs=Reply-to:you@here' will 
> change your default reply to address [replace you@here with the e-mail 
> address that you wish to use.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Greg `SULLY' Sullivan | e-mail: gsully@osha.igs.net
>                       |    www: http://www.osha.igs.net/~gsully
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 


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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.960605145056.15975E-100000@fnpx01.fnal.gov>,
Beth Peterson  <bethp@fnal.gov> wrote:
>This is another question that I think is not possible but, I gotta ask.  
>Is there a way, that when you receive a message from a person who is 
>sending a message to a distribution list, so that you won't have to see 
>all 100 and some other names that the message was sent to?

I believe this must be fixed on the sending side.
If the sender is using Pine 3.92 or later, ask him/her to put the addresses in
the Lcc: field rather than the To: or Cc: field.

If the sender is using Pine 3.91 or earlier, or another mail program, ask
him/her to put the addresses in the Bcc: field, _and_ put something like this
in the To: field:

To: The Chosen Few : ;

(The : ; are important.)

It may be that whoever is sending to you is using the second method, but
without the second step.

Greetings,
Ørjan.



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I have a accout with a login xtang, but I set up an alias called rxtang,

So incoming mail addressed to rxtang works fine, but I also want
outgoing mail to be addressed as From: rxtang as oppsed to From: xtang,
which is the default.

I know I can do this if I write raw smtp commands, but can I set it
up so that elm or pine does it??

Thanks, -Richard

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Hi,

I got the same problem here, please let me know if you come up with some kind
of 
solution. Thank you.

Kunyan




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From: MAILER-DAEMON@mx2.cac.washington.edu  (Mary Winters-Meyer)
Subject: printing and other questions
Date: 6 Jun 1996 21:55:06 GMT
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Well, this has probably been answered before, but I hope someone
will be kind enough to answer it again for me. Feel free to e-mail
replies if it's been done to death in the newsgroup!

1) We just set up all of our staff with unix accounts for e-mail, using
Pine, of course. In the course of learning as much as possible about
Pine, I failed to consider printing, since I don't normally print me mail.
When I try to use the prYnt command, it seems to print, but I don't know
where. We're accessing the unix accounts via a telnet session over the
internet. The only thing I can think is that it is printing at the server site.
So the question is how to get it to print locally? 

2) This is more minor, but is there a way to tell Pine not to save a
particular out-going message in the sent-mail folder when you send
a message? Also, is there a way to disable the sent-mail saving
completely?

Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Mary
***********************************************
Mary Winters-Meyer     |  mjwmeyer@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois |  Management Methods Analyst
Urbana - Champaign     |  Department of Student Financial Aid



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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ulrich Klein wrote:

> Is there anywhere a working PINE for VMS version available? I got the 
> version 3.91 but this distribution only builds PICO but for the C-Client 
> and PINE some files are missing.

I assume you are speaking about Yehavi's free port from HUJI.
Take a look at my own experiences/notes at

http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflavell/vms-pine.html

and see whether they help you with your problems building the software
in your environment.  N.B I am no expert in this - I worked on it just
far enough to be able to use PINE as a transition aid in our VMS
environment.

best regards







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Is there any way to have a global style addressbook containing  all
email user addresses on a Unix system appear when a user hits ^T on the 
"To" line when composing a message?  A modified /etc/passwd list would be 
a start.  Any idea's???

TSgt John Webster
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After exiting from newly installed 3.93, my telnet application EWAN (for Windows 3.1) doesn't display the last line of text from the shell.  This never happened with 3.91.  I don't see anything in the setup of either Pine or Ewan that could prevent this.  Anybody got any ideas?

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hi!



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On 6 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> Can a folder's name be changed?  Or alternatively, is there a way to move
> a *set* of mssgs from one folder to another?
> 
> For any help, thanks in advance.

    Sure.  I've changed the name of a folder several times, at least
under different versions of Un*x Pine.  Just remember that to the Un*x
file system, a Pine folder is merely any other file with an internal
structure that means something to the application (Pine) that maintains
it.  If you try to _edit_ a Pine folder you could mess something up,
but merely renaming it doesn't seem to hurt anything.  (At least, it
hasn't for me.)

    Simply quit completely from Pine.  From the shell prompt (assuming
you are using Un*x Pine), cd to the subdirectory in which Pine stores
its folders.  (Again, I am assuming that it is a local collection.)  In
my case it is just $HOME/mail.  Just rename it what you want.  When you
fire up Pine again, it should show up in the folder list under its new
name.  I did it just the other evening.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
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We plan to implement nested folders in Pine 4.... 

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> From: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: nested folders in a mail program? (fwd)
> Date: 7 Jun 1996 10:03:40 -0700
> Organization: PSGnet mail to news gate
> Sender: nobody@psg.com
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> 
> For those of us who keep large amounts of correspondence - who could
> use nested (contained-in-more-contained...) folders:  any hope soon?
> 
> Or is it to extract and take it off PINE?  /But Emacs perhaps....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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I have two pop servers one for unix mail(unix.collider.com) and one for 
bbs mail(bbs.collider.com) is there a way I can make pine poll both servers?
Thanks,
Chad Simmons
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P.s. A email response would be appreciated.



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Subject: How to import a list into addressbook
Date: 9 Jun 1996 03:13:12 GMT
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In 3.91, when trying to add entries to a list, I cannot see how a file 
such as:

john@aol.com,
mary@aol.com,
bob@aol.com

...can be imported into the list.  When I try the add-to-list function, 
it seems to only want to add a single address at a time.  Am I correct?

Bryan


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From: Pat Schmidt <pschmidt@jfku.edu>
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Hello,
If there is an answer to my question on a FAQ somewhere, please point me
to it.  I wish to be able to filter incoming mail into pre-chosen folders.  I
seem to remember (many months ago, the last time I was on this list) that pine
needed some additional software in order to be able to do this.
Thank you very much for you help.
 ______________________________________________________________________

 Patrick J. Schmidt                           (510)-253-2272
 Information Services                         pschmidt@jfku.edu
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From: bschlank@pacificnet.net
Subject: Using .forward at filtering
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 01:02:36 GMT
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My company has an account with an ISP (BEST.COM) and it is set up so
that all the domain email is sent to one POP account.  You can send
messages to anyname@mydomain.com and they are all sent to that one pop
account. This is kind of neat because I can get all the mail for the
office at once without having to have a dedicated server or 50 pop
accounts at my ISP! 
Problems arise when people travel across the country and still want to
get their theirname@mydomain.com email forwarded to their
compuserve/aol/prodigy/whatever email.

 A simple .forward file will not suffice because it will forward
EVERYBODY'S email to that one person.

Q: Is there a way to set up a .forward file to forward mail to
individual boxes based on the name in the TO: field?

My server is using PINE 3.93, ELM 2.4, mailx, procmail...

Any responses would be appreciated! You can send them to me directly
at bschlank@pacificnet.net or here.






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From: vladimir@nunki.usc.edu (Vladimir V. Piterbarg)
Subject: Re: How to import a list into addressbook
Date: 8 Jun 1996 22:06:25 -0700
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wriite@soho.ios.com (Bryan H.) writes:


>In 3.91, when trying to add entries to a list, I cannot see how a file 
>such as:

>john@aol.com,
>mary@aol.com,
>bob@aol.com

>...can be imported into the list.  When I try the add-to-list function, 
>it seems to only want to add a single address at a time.  Am I correct?

I once had a similar problem. What I did is wrote the list directly into the
addressbook. If you haven't changed the name, it is called .addressbook. It is 
just a plain text file, so you can edit it (with little care to preserve
the structure). Start creating list in pine, add 2 or three addresses, then
exit pine and start pico on .addressbook (or whatever you addresbook is called).
Find the place where you list starts, and include (^R in pico) your separate
file with the list you want
in there. Pay special attention to separators. Good luck

-Vladimir

PS You may want to save a copy of .addressbook before messing with it, 
just in case.


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Subject: Re: PCPine32 3.93/Win3.11 - Can't delete mail/create olders
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:02:26 +0200
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Hi !

Maybe I can solve my problem by converting the UNIX-like folkders to 
Pine-folders.
How can I do this ?
What's the difference between both formats ?

Thx in Advance,

- Mark



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From: Ezra Van Everbroeck <ezra@onyx.arts.kuleuven.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Installing 3.93 for Linux
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:03:24 +0200
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References: <31B4B151.68FC@cvn.com> <Pine.SCO.3.93.2.960605211240.22352C-100000@pulsar.ciint.nl> <4papmu$14f@goodnews.voicenet.com>
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On 8 Jun 1996, Bill D wrote:

> : On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Steve Cabito wrote:
> 
> : it could very well just be a pine binary with some debug symbol
> : leftovers. Try to run "strip" on it and see if it shrinks. Over here,
> : this will reduce the size of the binary to 1.6Mb.
> 
> I started out with a pine 3.93 binary that was about 3.8M and it
> stripped down just as you describe.

You can get even smaller binaries by compiling the source yourself:

| onyx:/usr/local/bin$uname -a
| Linux onyx 1.2.13 #23 Sun Mar 24 20:49:45 GMT+0100 1996 i586
| 
| onyx:/usr/local/bin$l pine
| -rwxr-xr-x   1 ezra     admin     1159172 Apr 13 12:49 pine*

>From pine/makefile.lnx :

| OPTIMIZE=    -O2 -s
| PROFILE=     # -pg
| DEBUG=       #-g -DDEBUG

Not that it matters that much any more with the current prices of hard
disks.

Cheers,

Ezra

Ezra Van Everbroeck  -  -  Centre for Computational Linguistics - K.U.Leuven
- - - - - - - - - -   --   - Web: http://onyx.arts.kuleuven.ac.be/~ezra  - -
1972 - - Mbuji-Mayi  -  -  Email: ezra@ccl.kuleuven.ac.be - - - Have e-life.



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From: Jacques Talbot <J.Talbot@frec.bull.fr>
Subject: by-nick-of-from behavior is strange in 3.93
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The behavior of the by-nick-of-from option in the saved-msg-name-rule
in the config menu of pine 3.93 is not what I would expect:

  if the from: field is in the .addressbook, pine saves to nickname: OK
  if the from: field is not in the .addressbook, pine saves in
  the default "saved-messages" folder, while I would expect it to save to
  name derived from the by-from option. Looks more intuitive
  Somehow the option should be named: by-nick-of-from-then-from

Before submitting a Bug report, I would like to be sure I am not
missing something.

Thanks for your collective help
--
Jacques Talbot   Bull   1 rue de Provence BP208  38432 Echirolles CEDEX France
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From: Hans Schleichert <sipsc01@uni-tuebingen.de>
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This is a question about Pine 3.93 (16-bit) under Windows for Workgroups
3.11 and MS TCP. Every time I enter one of the following characters @ [ ]
{ } | ~ ² ³ Pine switches the space key to function as "jump to beginning
of next word." I had the same problem with Pine 3.91. What those
characters have in common is that, to use them on a German keyboard, you
have to press the right Alt key when typing the actual character. Any
comments? Btw, the space bar can be switched back to normal functioning by
typing about any ctrl-character combination.
         -  Hans Schleichert
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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(Institute of Medical Psychology and Behavioural Neurobiology)
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From: matthies@rzserv2.FH-Lueneburg.de (Ralf Matthies)
Subject: Q: forward mail without quotes ?
Date: 9 Jun 1996 14:54:25 GMT
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Hi,

i have to maintain a mailinglist in the near future (with
some moderated lists).

The moderator of the list has to forward/bounce the approved
messages back to the list.
How can i resend the message to the list without leading
quotes (">") ?
Is this possible in UNIX-Pine ?


So short,

(R)alf Matthies
Fachhochschule Nordostniedersachsen, Fachbereich Wirtschaft, Lueneburg,
Germany



PS: I'm using Pine 3.92 on UNIX (AIX 4.1 / RS/6000)


-- 


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From: frnkzk@musenet.org (Kevin Kane)
Subject: Suppressing the From line
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Is there a way to make Pine _not_ add the From: line?  The sendmail
program does this automatically if one does not already exist with the
appropriate name, hostname, etc., and I'd prefer it did, but I cannot
find an option to do this.  Is there one, and how do I use it?
-- 
Kevin Kane (Frnkzk) / Rockville, Maryland, USA / frnkzk@musenet.org



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I am trying to compile Pine 3.93 for vax-ultrix to use the regular
sendmail procedure for sending mail, instead of connecting to the SMTP
server directly like it seems to want to do by default.  However, when
I provide a sendmail-path in the pine.conf, it adds this strange
second 'To' header that says 'Undisclosed recipients' (or something
along those lines), which causes sendmail to generate a MAILER-DAEMON
error.  The message gets sent, but each time this error results, which
makes Pine think the message has not been sent and leaves the sender
in the editor.

Can anyone assist me with this problem?  Many thanks.
-- 
Kevin Kane (Frnkzk) / Rockville, Maryland, USA / frnkzk@musenet.org



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From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to force folder to be in specific format?
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:50:47 -0700
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On 4 Jun 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote:
> Is it possible to force a folder to be in a specific format? What I mean
> is following:
> 
>   the Pine include long list of mailbox drivers for different formats.
>   No suppose I go in folder menu and create new folder. How can I say,
>   that I want this folder to be in, e.g., TENEX format instead of
>   mbox?
>
>   The same question if I S)ave or Fcc message - is it possible to force
>   new folder to be in specific format?

There is no way to do this in Pine, although it can be done in the
low-level libraries used by Pine.  Other than the INBOX, there is no
general way to force alternate formats from Pine.

We recommend that, if you want to change the default folder format, that
you edit the c-client Makefile to set STDPROTO to something else (e.g.
tenexproto) and then rebuild Pine.

-- Mark --

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From: meacham@teleport.com (Guy Meacham)
Subject: Re: My biggest wish for Pine - can this be done?
Date: 10 Jun 1996 04:01:43 GMT
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David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.apana.org.au) wrote:
: 
: 
: This is my situation: I have both a ppp and shell account with my ISP.
: I use the PPP account for everything but mail, which I do using pine
: on the shell account. The reason I do this is so that I can telnet in
: from other locations if I am away from home and still have access to
: all my old mail. It is important that I always have my mail collection
: available wherever I log in from.
: 
: I would also like to keep a complete record of my mail on my PC as
: well as on my ISP shell account. Using PC pine could I use this as the
: reader I use during my PPP session (at home) and make this so that any
: new mail is copied to both the shell and the PC-Pine directory?
: 
: This way I'll always have a copy of my mail when at home using
: PC-Pine, whether I am logged on or not and I will also have a mail
: record for when I am away and have to telnet into the shell.
: 
: Regards,
: 
: David Maddison
: 
I have never used pc pine but what you want can be done very easily with 
pine on your shell and pegasus on your pc, both work very well together as 
pegasus gives you the option to remove mail from your shell after 
downloading or leave it there.
I use pine 70% of the time but messages I want to keep or reply to offline 
I pick up with pegasus.
Guy.
-- 
>>>>>Guy & Jeanie Meacham...............http://www.teleport.com/~meacham<<<<
>>>>>>Rippingale Nursery......................meacham@teleport.com<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>PO Box 84..............International Plant Propagators Society<<<
>>>>>>>>Boring OR 97009....................."Quaerere et impertire"<<<<<<<<<


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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Ashok Aiyar wrote:

> [This message has also been posted.]
> On Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:15:14 -0400, chad simmons <chads@unix.collider.com> wrote:
> >I have two pop servers one for unix mail(unix.collider.com) and one for 
> >bbs mail(bbs.collider.com) is there a way I can make pine poll both servers?
> 
> How about something like the following in your ~/.pinerc ....
> incoming-folders=Unix-mail{unix.collider.com/pop3}, BBS-mail{bbs.collider.com/pop3}
[This message has also been posted to comp.mail.pine]
This works for anyone who is interested, but is their a way i can make it 
so it wont ask for my login name and password everytime I check for mail?
Chad Simmons
chads@unix.collider.com
and
chads@bbs.collider.com



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: "G. V. Palazzolo" <zosma@lightlink.com>
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Sending an attachment using Pine...

1.  Start your message (Compose, Reply, Forward, etc).

2.  Put cursor on the "Attchmnt:" header line at the top of the screen.

3.  Type ^G (Get help, as shown on menu at foot of screen).

4.  Read instructions.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 6 Jun 1996, G. V. Palazzolo wrote:

> I want to send an attachmet along with a message on PINE.  How do I do
> this.  I could not find an answer on the online help.
> 
> gvp
> 
> -- 
> Knowledge is power.
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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First, a hint...

If you can see/find something in the Configuration screen use the Where
(W) command to search for a string, just as you can in a message or index
screen.

In particular doing a "W header" takes you straight to the option called
"enable-full-header-cmd".  (Then typing a "?" or "^G" displays help about
this feature.)

Having turned on this option you can then use the now-available "H"
command when viewing a message (or in the Index screen).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> 
> Where is the view-header option in config menu?
> 
> 
> 




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On 7 Jun 1996, Adam Vardy wrote:

> Can somone tell me if there is an easier way to save e-mail messages so I 
> can download them to my computer.  I am just using a regular Unix 
> account, text-based.
> 
> [...]

    It may not be _exactly_ what you want, but you can download an
entire folder at once.  To the Unix file system, a Pine folder is
merely any other file with its own internal structure (fortunately,
generally humanly readable).  Just cd to the directory where Pine keeps
its folders (for me it's $HOME/mail) and download the folder/file you
want.  After you have done that, you can edit it on your own computer
to your heart's content to remove what you don't want, and back in Pine
you can delete the messages you don't want.  A bit of a kludge, but it
works.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
----------------------------------------------------------
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
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I could use some help, maybe a reference to the FAQ, maybe a return note.
I just can't figure out an easier way to print my email.

What I have been doing is using the E command to export to my home 
directory.  Then I use the sz command to send it to my PC via zmodem.
Then I need to hangup, exit communication software, enter Wordperfect, 
access the file, and print it.  I can't do this while I'm still connected 
since I don't have enough memeory on this DOS machine.  I could use the 
DOS command "Print" while I am still on-line.  But "Print" won't convert 
he carriage return to carriage return/line feed, so it won't print out.

So, I get anice printed page, but it sure is hard.  What is the easy way out?

jim lindsay
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On 4 Jun 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote:

> > Is it possible to force a folder to be in a specific format? What I m=
ean
> > is following:

> There is no way to do this in Pine, although it can be done in the
> low-level libraries used by Pine.  Other than the INBOX, there is no
> general way to force alternate formats from Pine.
>=20
> We recommend that, if you want to change the default folder format, tha=
t
> you edit the c-client Makefile to set STDPROTO to something else (e.g.
> tenexproto) and then rebuild Pine.

A long time ago someone mailed a sulution that works for me (Pine 9.93)
without recompiling:

Make a file named .mminit in your home directory and put a following line
into it:

set empty-folder-format tenex

It sholud cjange the behaviour of the low-level libraries used by pine.
Hope it helps.=20

V. S.

Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD, =DATIA AV =C8R, Pod vod=E1renskou v=EC=BE=ED 4,
182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
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Howdy folks,
	I've got about 30MB of over 100 Pine folders of files plus 100's
of addresses on my Unix account.  I want to move it all onto my Win95 PC
and use the 32 bit PC Pine 3.93 as efficiently as possible (read: with
very little changes to my usual use of unix Pine, especially use of
folders and old saved mail).  I've got fine internet file transfer
abilities. 
	Anyone wanna tell me the cool way to do it?  Thanks!
		-neo



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I've been noticing that if I postpone a reply to a message that the
message doesn't get flagged as being answered.  In fact it doesn't get
flagged with anything.  Anyone know why?  Thanks.

______
  Ming Ma
  University of Washington
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Subject: URGENT! - Serious bug!
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Hi,

	It seems that pine has problems with big messages when they
are inserted in the mail body via ^R. The problem appeared originally
when I was sending a text with greek chars which was about 7600 chars.
The posting was in MIME format and pine encoded that in BASE64.
Unfortunately from the original message there are characters at the
end of the message which did not arrive.

	I thought that it was a problem with the encoding and,
possibly, the greek chars. However I tried to post to myself the
tech-notes.txt file from the pine3.93 distribution.  The message
that I received had many chars missing after the first 10.000 chars.
Trying to associate that with the greek chars posting I suspect that
the problem with a mail is when its size is around 10.000. So, when
I was trying to post my 7600 greek chars they probably were encoded
at a size around the problematic 10.000.

	This problem made us feel very unsafe about the fate of
our big mails. I would greatly appreciate your comments.

Thank you,

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We read our Unix email using Pine 3.91 and a Windows Telnet application 
called Host Presenter.

Does anyone know how we can get Unix, Pine, or Host Presenter to make our 
PC's beep at us when we get new mail?  We'd like to be able to leave a 
Pine session running in the background during the day but be able to hear 
when we have new mail.

--  Jonathan David Makepeace     Monograph Cataloger/Automation Specialist
    LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton  Tel. (504) 388-3331
    Louisiana State University   Fax. (504) 388-6992
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:26:42 -0700
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On Thu, 30 May 1996, Ed Merrifield wrote:

> I can't get a lock file created on /var/spool/mail/whatever using 3.93. 
> I never received this message with 3.91.  /var/spool/mail is set to
> root/mail with 775 permissions. 

The protection of /var/spool/mail should be set to 1777; that is, public
write with the sticky bit.

You didn't get this message with 3.91 because 3.91 ignored this error
condition.  Ignoring it prevents locking against mail delivery when Pine
is rewriting the mailbox, resulting in lost mail or damaged mail files.
That's why 3.93 doesn't ignore it any more.

As for why it was ignored, it was falsely represented to me many years ago
that 775 protections on /var/spool/mail only occur on systems in which
sendmail uses flock() instead of .lock files for locking.

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
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On Thu, 30 May 1996, Jeff Finkelstein wrote:
> Has anyone modified pine to deal with decnet-style addressing, e.g.
> node::user? I would hate to reinvent the wheel ;-)

Pine only supports Internet RFC-822 addressing syntax.

DECnet syntax is particularly problematic, since it collides with RFC-822
group syntax and source route syntax.

I suggest that you use sendmail rules to rewrite DECnet syntax into
Internet syntax, and use Internet syntax exclusively.

-- Mark --

DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.



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From: Richard Gering <rgering@ciint.nl>
To: Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr
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        dlm@cac.washington.edu, Dimakopoulos Panagiotis <dimakop@cti.gr>
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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 	It seems that pine has problems with big messages when they
> are inserted in the mail body via ^R. The problem appeared originally
> when I was sending a text with greek chars which was about 7600 chars.
> The posting was in MIME format and pine encoded that in BASE64.
> Unfortunately from the original message there are characters at the
> end of the message which did not arrive.
> 
> 	I thought that it was a problem with the encoding and,
> possibly, the greek chars. However I tried to post to myself the
> tech-notes.txt file from the pine3.93 distribution.  The message
> that I received had many chars missing after the first 10.000 chars.
> Trying to associate that with the greek chars posting I suspect that
> the problem with a mail is when its size is around 10.000. So, when
> I was trying to post my 7600 greek chars they probably were encoded
> at a size around the problematic 10.000.

A problem was found in Pine 3.93 that could occur when big files were
being sent on relatively slow systems. This bug would result in strings of
missing characters at seemingly random places in the raw message (it could
therefore also corrupt MIME attachments). To me, this seems to be the
problem you are having.

The problem is related to the alarm() calls that get executed to update
the progress indicator which is displayed while the message is being sent.

This problem will be fixed in the new Pine 3.94 release, which will be
available soon at your regular supplier :-)

Kind regards,

- Richard.

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From: Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Jacques Talbot wrote:

> The behavior of the by-nick-of-from option in the saved-msg-name-rule
> in the config menu of pine 3.93 is not what I would expect:
> 
>   if the from: field is in the .addressbook, pine saves to nickname: OK
>   if the from: field is not in the .addressbook, pine saves in
>   the default "saved-messages" folder, while I would expect it to save to
>   name derived from the by-from option. Looks more intuitive
>   Somehow the option should be named: by-nick-of-from-then-from
> 
> Before submitting a Bug report, I would like to be sure I am not
> missing something.

Both by-nick-of-from and by-nick-of-from-then-from will be available in
3.94, to be released this week.  Thanks.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:59:06 +0200 (METDST), =?ISO-8859-
2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= {Vladimir Solnicky} wrote:
> A long time ago someone mailed a sulution that works for me (Pine 9.93)
> without recompiling:
>
> Make a file named .mminit in your home directory and put a following line
> into it:
>
> set empty-folder-format tenex
>
> It sholud cjange the behaviour of the low-level libraries used by pine.
> Hope it helps.

This particular technique works in Pine 3.93, but it is undocumented and it
probably will not work in future versions of Pine.  I recommend strongly
against relying upon it.



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does any one know of a way to take a VMSmail .DIS file and transfer it
into Unix pine format?  I can transfer an copy the .DIS (distribution
list) to Unix but form there I am stumped.  How do I get this distribution
list into pine format?  I have tried to just copy it into my .addressbook
file but, Pine has its own format for and addressbook with the nickname,
name and then the address.  Is there a way to convert this or do I have to
do this line by line?

Thanks in advance!

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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From: rbasu@caltech.edu (Ramanuj Basu)
Subject: Re: Saving e-mail
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:28:46 GMT
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You can use the ";" command to select a group of messages, either one at a time
or based on common criteria.  Then use the "A" command ("Apply") followed by the
E and the filename to export the whole group of messages to a single file which
you can then download.  The messages are not separated within the file (except
by a CRLF).

-Ram

On 7 Jun 1996 18:18:08 GMT, abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) wrote:

>Can somone tell me if there is an easier way to save e-mail messages so I 
>can download them to my computer.  I am just using a regular Unix 
>account, text-based.

>In Pine, I can press E to export 1 message into my directory for later 
>downloading.  But I have to type the filename each time.  It is a lot of 
>work to do that for 10 or 20 messages.  Is there anyway I can save a 
>whole bunch of messages?  Just tag off whichever ones I want to save and 
>use one command to save them all?  Must be some way.



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  It may sound silly, but I'd like to suggest
that Pine  allow users to optionally use  two separate
character set names for header encoding (=?charset?B?....?= or
=?charset?Q?....?=) and 'charset=' parameter 
of 'Content-Type:' header. With this **optional**
(thus not affecting those who don't need it)
feature, one would be able to send out 
Korean messages strictly conforming to RFC 1557,
which requires that KSC 5601(8bit, EUC-KR) 
in the body of the message is encoded in ISO-2022-KR
(thus in 'Content-Type:' header,paramter 'charset=' 
is to be 'ISO-2022-KR') while EUC-KR characters 
in header are to be B or Q encoded with charset name 
'EUC-KR'. (B encoding is preferred). The same may be
the case for Chinese messages in ISO-2022-CN, for which
RFC is being written(or may have been already written). 


  Enclosed is what Korean message following RFC 1557 looks like
where ^[ stands for ESC(ASCII 27, \033), ^N for SO(ASCII 14),
and ^O for SI(ASCII 15) and 'Korean' means any EUC-KR(8bit)
characters with MSB stripped off to make them 7bit. 
Details are not relevant to this suggestion since code conversion 
can be done by 'sending-filter' in Pine 3.92 or later. 


---------
Subject: =?EUC-KR?B?......?=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-KR
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Other-headers.....

Message body....US-ASCII.....

^[$C)
^NKorean^OUS-ASCII ^NKorean^O US-ASCII ^N
US-ASCII^NKorean^O
-------------

  I would be very grateful for careful consideration of this 
proposal by the Pine team. 

   Jungshik Shin






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Patrick Dery (pdery@ecn.ulaval.ca) wrote:
: Hi!
: What happens is that, for the letters _I_ post only, the FROM: field in
: the index of the newsgroup is changed into the TO: field.  Here's an
: example:

This seems to be a regular Q. 

A. Its meant to be that way- we all see our own posts as "to ...." and
everyone elses seem OK.  But to all of your readers the header looks 
just fine...

Personally I think its the development team doing their bit to foster a
little paranoia among newbies to help keep us in our rightful place......

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Jeff Stillinger (jss@qnet.com) wrote:
: Hello all,

: I would like to use pine as a news reader.  News arives at ibbs from
: a UUCP link.  How can I get pine to act as a news reader?  I have 
: played with the options and it still can't find the newsgroups.

: Any ideas?

This is just a beginner talking - but i think that if you go from the 
main menu into Setup, then Config and trawl through the options you'll 
find one that is 'nntp server' or similar.

Find out the name of your news server from the relevant admin people and 
insert it (ie news.zzz.xxx).

I'm unsure because in the end I went back to using TIN - because I found 
the threading of posts makes it easier to deal with high volume groups.

Hope this helps point you in the right direction.

Malcolm

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I have not been able to receive Text file from Freenet onto my computer.  
I have been able to receive Binary Text, however, I so not know how to 
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::You havent't installed the metamail package that TIN requires. You might
::try using Pine for news; it has Mime built in. 

Or an offline newsreader, like  YARN (Dos) or Eudora (Windows).

    o--------=| Charles Martin |=--o


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On 22 May 1996, S Chan wrote:

> Why is there a difference between the way Pine treats a mimed attachment 
> that originates in pine and one that originates in eudora - and how can I 
> change it ?
> 

Pine does not care about the origin of a MIME message, only the
content.

> I use Pine to mail a simple ASCII file to a colleague in Canada.
> 
> If I send the email to myself with the file attached it arrives OK and I
> can read it in pine (using the Viewer command to see the attachment). 
> 
> When she reads it with Eudora the attachment is incorporated in the body 
> of the message , with various headers attached.  this causes hassle 
> because she has to manually edit the message to separate the attachment.
> 

Eudora expects a Content-Disposition: header, which Pine does not
currently support.  I'm not all that familiar with Eudora, but I would
consider the inability to save parts of a MIME message separately to
be a serious limitation....

> We have the same problem the other way around too. If she sends me a 
> message with a mimed attachment I get lines inserted in the message 
> telling me to use 'munpack' to decode it. 
> 

That sort of informative text belongs in the preamble before the first
MIME part.  If Eudora puts it inside the MIME body, Pine has no way to
suppress it... 

> 
> My question again - 
> Why is there a difference between the way Pine treats a mimed attachment 
> that originates in pine and one that originates in eudora - and how can I 
> change it ?
> 

We will probably add support for Content-Disposition in Pine 4.  That
will hopefully improve compatibility... 

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Subject: Preventing PINE to use maildomains
Date: 11 Jun 1996 10:33:47 GMT
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Greetings,

We are having some problems configuration PINE 3.93. Compilation works
fine, the problem is that PINE 3.93 automatically fills in maildomains
in the From: and Return-Path: headers, which is based on the hostname
and the domainname of the machine.
However, as our system serves users belonging to different maildomains 
(ulb.ac.be, vub.ac.be), we use sendmail to determine the From: and 
Return-Path: for a user; to archieve this, sendmail uses a special 
database which contains which user belongs to which domain.

I have tried to correct some things with the 2 definitions in the PINE 
configuration file which I believe are relevant:

# Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail.
user-domain=

# If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only)
use-only-domain-name=

but setting these in the system's pine.conf file has no effect. With 
pine 3.93, I *can* override the maildomain by setting the "user-domain" 
to a specific value, but I can only define one, either vub.ac.be or 
ulb.ac.be, not both. Agreed, each user can define this for him/herself, 
but PINE uses this maildomain also when mailing to someone having an 
address on the same machine; if the user does not include the maildomain 
in the email address of his correspondent, PINE fills in the maildomain 
of the user sending the message. Again, the user can do something about
that by typing the full email address including the maildomain of course.

I also tried to install PINE 3.91, which has a slightly different way
of filling in the maildomain than in 3.93, but the hostname still gets 
included in the From: address if I do not define the "user-domain".

Is there any easy solution to prevent PINE using this kind of automatic 
maildomain determination without having to "patch" the PINE code itself? 
What I want in fact is that PINE leaves alone any addresses specified by
the user (To, From, Cc, ...), i.e. PINE does not have to resolve the email 
addresses but has to leave it to sendmail to fill those in. Is a patch 
available perhaps? Or did I overlook something? Thanks for any 
suggestions.

Regards,

Peter

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Peter Van Rossem                                    <pvrossem@vub.ac.be>
User Support Group
Brussels Free University Computing Centre         Phone: +32-2-650.37.71
Pleinlaan 2, B-1050 Brussels, Belgium
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Can any one inform about the site, from which 
i can download source code for pine 3.92, which 
I believe, the latest one.
_________________________________________________________________

Shrishail Halyal	Email 	: shail@isac.ernet.in
Engineer, STD/CIG,	Phone	: 080-5267156, 5266251-2476/2583
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Hi,

	I have not been able to make pine to send authentication info
to the news server where it tries to read Usenet news from. This is
necessary as the news server can keep groups/lists which are not
accessible by everyone but only by authorised users. So, a password
mechanism would be necessary, I think.

Thanks,

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Shrishail Halyal <shail@isac.ernet.in>
Cc: Pine-Info <pine-info@cac.washington.edu>
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Actually Pine 3.93 is the current version, and version 3.94 is due out
really soon.

You can get the latest source code kit from ftp.cac.washington.edu
(directory /pine)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Shrishail Halyal wrote:

> 
> 
> Can any one inform about the site, from which 
> i can download source code for pine 3.92, which 
> I believe, the latest one.
> _________________________________________________________________
> 
> Shrishail Halyal	Email 	: shail@isac.ernet.in
> Engineer, STD/CIG,	Phone	: 080-5267156, 5266251-2476/2583
> ISRO Satellite Centre	Fax 	: 080-5217657
> Airport Road,		Resi.Ad.: H-38, 3rd Main, Khadi Layout,
> Bangalore - 560017                Vivekananda nagar Bangalore-85.
> _________________________________________________________________
> 



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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:06:59 +0100 (BST)
From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr
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You didn't mention what version of Pine you are currently using!

Pine 3.93 (the current version) certainly supports authentication for
reading and/or posting Usenet News.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 Pan.Dimakopoulos@cti.gr wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 	I have not been able to make pine to send authentication info
> to the news server where it tries to read Usenet news from. This is
> necessary as the news server can keep groups/lists which are not
> accessible by everyone but only by authorised users. So, a password
> mechanism would be necessary, I think.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>            ------------------------------------------------------
>            | Panos Dimakopoulos             dimakop@cti.gr      |
>            | COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY INSTITUTE                      |
>            | P.O. Box 1122                                      |
>            | 261 10 Patras, Greece                              |
>            | Tel (+30) 61 992061, 994317    Fax (+30) 61 993973 |
>            ------------------------------------------------------
> 



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Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:41:57 GMT
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I've got Pine 3.92 on a system at work. I'd like to use that local
copy of Pine to access my inbox located at an ISP on a system
completely outside my company (different domain). I've tried
modifying the Pine configuration to achieve this but have been
unsuccessful. Is there an easy way to do this? Can somebody advise me
so I don't have to bumble my way through the setup?

Thanks!
-- 
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I monitor two email accounts, one on Homer and one on Carson.  When I
respond to a message in Pine on Homer, the signature line is placed above
the old message and below where the new message goes.  This is the way it
should be.  When I do the same thing in Pine on Carson, the signature
line goes at the end after the old message.  Can you tell me what is
wrong?  Thank you.

*************************************************************************
Linda Page				206/731-3293   Phone
Administrative Assistant		206/731-3483   Fax
AIDS Clinical Trials Unit		lpage@u.washington.edu
1001 Broadway, Suite 218		Box 359929
Seattle, WA  98122
*************************************************************************



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From: asra@VMS.ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU
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I am trying to find out more about PINE.  I would appreciate some help.
Thanks in advance.  I have sent for a FAQ e-mail also.
1.  Is there a way to change the defaults on my e-mail when using PINE?
    I do not want messages automatically deleted upon exit.
2.  How do I delete, then expunge a single message?  I just deleted and 
expunged my entire base of messages and I needed some of the information.
3.  Is there a help manual floating around out there someplace?
    Thanks


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From: Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu (Jeffrey Liu)
Subject: Make a REPLY-TO Field?
Date: 11 Jun 1996 19:42:31 GMT
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Hey all...

I use pop mail.  Since I dial in to retrieve my mail, as much as I 
would love to send mail through pine, I can't because I cannot set my 
return address.  My return address is simply a bogus root@ or user@ 
my machine name.  If there is a way to set a REPLY or REPLY-TO field 
in the header of my outgoing emails through the use of PINE (without 
editing Sendmail.cf) this would be appreciated.  Thanks! :)

Please email me back as I do not have the fortune of reading 
newsgroups everyday :)
-- 
                                          JEFF :O
                                          Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu
                                          
                                          



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From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: mailinglists with pine?
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:58:01 -0400
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jochen Krueger wrote:

> How can I setup pine to sort mails from a certain address in another
> folder than inbox? I'm subscribed to two mailinglists and would like to
> store those mails in seperate folders. 

    Pine by itself will not put incoming mail into different folders
for you.  You have to use some sort of filtering program ahead of Pine,
such as procmail or (Elm's) filter on Un*x systems.  If you have a WWW
browser, browse my home page and follow the link to Nancy McGough's
pages.  She has a lot of good information on mail filtering.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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I'm using the OS/2 port of Pine 3.92.  How do I configure my mail server, which is pop.gate.net?  I get an error message everytime the program starts.  It won't connect to my mail server.




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From: Andy Dustman <andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Removing "Undisclosed Recipients"
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:53:57 -0400
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Josh G Renzema wrote:
>         I seem to have muffed my pinerc file, and now every message
> that I send has a "Undislosed Recipients" line in the To: field - Any
> idea, short of nuking my pinerc file, about how to remove this?

If you did it, you are not alone. I have the same problem with PINE 3.93,
Linux 2.0. It always adds the header line: 

To: Undisclosed recipients: ;

even when there are obviously recipients (in the To: or Cc:). Not fatal, but
annoying.

-- 
Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA
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From: ctorlins@crl.com (Christoph Torlinsky)
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 Whats the schedule and who are "vendors".


 -chris

ps: awaiting it eagerly like the second coming of windows95


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From: "Brad M. Garcia" <bgarcia@fore.com>
Subject: Re: mouse functionnalities in xterm ?
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:42:18 -0400
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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jean Richelle wrote:

> I just installed the 3.93 version of pine and have been very pleased to
> read that it support x functionalities.
<snip>
> But for enable-mouse-in-xterm, I couldn't notice nothing new.
> The explanation in the help is not sufficient for me to understand what I
> can gain.

It appears that this new mouse code is either very buggy or is not
completely implemented.  But while composing a message, you can move
the cursor around by simply clicking at a new position (doesn't always
work correctly - try clicking on the "to" line in the header while the
cursor is in the body).  

To cut and paste, hold down the shift key and use buttons 1 & 2 like you
would in an xterm.  You can then click on "send" at the bottom of the
screen to send the message (But when it asks for confirmation, clicking
on "yes", "no", or "cancel" does not work).

I've been waiting for this functionality.  I hope the maintainers can
get all the bugs worked out.

Brad Garcia



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Subject: pine 3.93 with premail 0.43
Date: 11 Jun 1996 23:39:14 -0400
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Just wondering if anyone out there has gotten these two progams to "play nice" together under Linux 1.2.13 (or any other OS for that matter)?

if you have, please describe exactly what steps you took to arrive at such a happy union... because I am at my wit's end here.

info on premail can be found at http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
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"This week" and "the University of Washington"

-teg

p.s. Will two comings of windows95 be sufficient? :)


On 11 Jun 1996, Christoph Torlinsky wrote:

>  Whats the schedule and who are "vendors".
> 
> 
>  -chris
> 
> ps: awaiting it eagerly like the second coming of windows95
> 



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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Linda Page <lpage@u.washington.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Signature placement
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On your Carson account, go to the Config screen and find the
"signature-at-bottom" feature, then UNset it.

-teg

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Linda Page wrote:

> 
> I monitor two email accounts, one on Homer and one on Carson.  When I
> respond to a message in Pine on Homer, the signature line is placed above
> the old message and below where the new message goes.  This is the way it
> should be.  When I do the same thing in Pine on Carson, the signature
> line goes at the end after the old message.  Can you tell me what is
> wrong?  Thank you.
> 
> *************************************************************************
> Linda Page				206/731-3293   Phone
> Administrative Assistant		206/731-3483   Fax
> AIDS Clinical Trials Unit		lpage@u.washington.edu
> 1001 Broadway, Suite 218		Box 359929
> Seattle, WA  98122
> *************************************************************************
> 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: asra@VMS.ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 asra@VMS.ACAD2.ALASKA.EDU wrote:

> I am trying to find out more about PINE.  I would appreciate some help.
> Thanks in advance.  I have sent for a FAQ e-mail also.

If you have access to a World-Wide Web browser you may also like to check
out the Pine Information Centre at:

	http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/

> 1.  Is there a way to change the defaults on my e-mail when using PINE?
>     I do not want messages automatically deleted upon exit.

If you don't want a message deleting as you leave Pine then don't delete
the message!

Reading a message does NOT automatically delete a message; it simply
removes its "New" status, as indicated by the "N" at the start of its
summary line in the Index screen.

You *request* a message be deleted by using the "D" command.  This puts a
"D" at the start of the summary line in the Index screen for the message.
When you close the folder (eg, by quitting Pine) or ask Pine to expunge
deleted messages (using the "X" command) *then* messages are actually
deleted.

(In fact, if you're doing this by quitting out of Pine then the default
even then is NOT to expunge the folder immediately but to ask you for
confirmation.)

If you're not seeing this action then I suspect Pine's settings have been
changed, either for you along (in your personal settings) or the
system-wide defaults (set up by the system administrator).  You can review
these settings and change them by using the Setup (S) command followed by
Configuration (C) ... use these at Pine's Main Menu screen.

Things to look out for there include:

  * Is "expunge-without-confirm" set?  If so then you WON'T be asked to
    confirm expunging folders as you quit out of Pine: it'll just happen.

  * Is "read-message-folder" set?  If so then any messages you read in
    your INBOX folder will be moved to the named folder and deleted from
    the INBOX.  You will be prompted to confirm this action whenever it
    is about to happen unless the "auto-move-read-msgs" feature is also
    set.

The latter MAY be the cause of your "vanishing messages" ... in fact
they're not really being "deleted" simply moved out of your INBOX into
another folder, where they still remain.  Your systems administrator may
have set this up as standard behaviour to, for example, reduce pressure on
the disk mail is delivered to by moving read messages elsewhere.

> 2.  How do I delete, then expunge a single message?  I just deleted and 
> expunged my entire base of messages and I needed some of the information.

To delete a single message:
  1. Read it (or highlight it on the Index screen) and give the "D"
     command to *request* it be deleted at some point in the future
  2. Expunge the folder by giving the "X" command.  (Note that this will
     *actually delete* ALL messages you have *requested* be deleted.)

> 3.  Is there a help manual floating around out there someplace?

Assuming you are using Pine on a UNIX system you'll probably be able to
get some help on starting Pine by looking at its manual page (if your
systems administrator has installed this page):

	man pine

Otherwise try using the help system built into Pine.  General information
is available by typing "?" at the Main Menu screen.  In virtually every
other place context-sensitive (ie, relevant to what you're currently
doing/have selected) help is available by typing ^G (often the "?" synonym
will also display this help).

Other information is available at the Pine Information Centre on the Web
(see the URL above).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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It is *important* that something is ALWAYS present in the "To:" field. 
(Some people try and send out messages to lists of people by just listing
the recipients in the "Cc:" or (better) "Bcc:" fields.)

HOWEVER when such a message arrives at its destination the delivery
software there MAY do funny things if no "To:" header was present.  The
worst case is when the "Bcc:" field was used to list the recipients, in
which case the delivery software MAY reveal the hidden list by converting
the recipients to a visible list of "Apparently-To:" headers.

To prevent these problems Pine 3.92 onwards always fills in the "To:"
field if you do not do so.  The default text it fills it with is
"Undisclosed recipients" (but you can change this in the Setup
Configuration screen).

You can override it on a poer message basis by filling in the "To:" field
yourself.  You could put a valid e-mail address there (eg, your own to
receive a copy yourself), or a string followed by the magic ":;" sequence
of characters (which then merely acts as a label).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Andy Dustman wrote:

> Josh G Renzema wrote:
> >         I seem to have muffed my pinerc file, and now every message
> > that I send has a "Undislosed Recipients" line in the To: field - Any
> > idea, short of nuking my pinerc file, about how to remove this?
> 
> If you did it, you are not alone. I have the same problem with PINE 3.93,
> Linux 2.0. It always adds the header line: 
> 
> To: Undisclosed recipients: ;
> 
> even when there are obviously recipients (in the To: or Cc:). Not fatal, but
> annoying.
> 
> -- 
> Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA
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> Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net
> http://charon.chem.uga.edu/~andy    mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu    <}+++<
> 



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You can add the "Reply-To" (and any other) custom header by:

1.  Start Pine.
2.  At the Main Menu go to the Setup Configuration screen by typing "S"
    then "C".
3.  Move the highlight down to the "customized-hdrs" item.
4.  Read its help by typing "?"
5.  Exit the help screen and follow its instructions.  :-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 11 Jun 1996, Jeffrey Liu wrote:

> Hey all...
> 
> I use pop mail.  Since I dial in to retrieve my mail, as much as I 
> would love to send mail through pine, I can't because I cannot set my 
> return address.  My return address is simply a bogus root@ or user@ 
> my machine name.  If there is a way to set a REPLY or REPLY-TO field 
> in the header of my outgoing emails through the use of PINE (without 
> editing Sendmail.cf) this would be appreciated.  Thanks! :)
> 
> Please email me back as I do not have the fortune of reading 
> newsgroups everyday :)
> -- 
>                                           JEFF :O
>                                           Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu
>                                           
>                                           
> 



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Date: 11 Jun 1996 14:30:48 GMT
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I have never quite figured out how to correctly print out any e-mail 
messages. While in Pine, the only thing I seem to be able to do is click 
on "turn printer on" - but then it will print everything on the screen, 
including the commands on the bottom of the page. Plus it prints only one 
page at a time, so if there is more, I have to hit return, and it will 
continue - but then these commands wind up in the middle of the message, 
and often it will repeat two lines. 

Can somebody please help me figure out how to print messages neat and clean?
Would I have to save it to somewhere else first, as a file? But then what?
Help!

Simone


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I just realised that window resizing does not work for pine 3.93 built on
an HP: it appears that /usr/include/sys/termio.h is included too late for
the "#ifdef TIOCGWINSZ" line in osdep/os-hpp.h to take effect.
Am I correct?

	Alessandro

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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It sounds like you are using a "Print Screen" button, or perhaps one that
turns the printer on so that EVERY character your terminal program
receives gets printed.  Instead you should....


1.  (Most Important)  Be using a terminal program that supports ANSI
printer control escape sequences.

These are sequences of special characters that Pine CAN send (if told to
do so) before displaying the message.  The sequence it performs is this:
	Send ANSI "Printer ON" code.
	Send message (which gets rerouted fro the screen to the printer).
	Send ANSI "Printer OFF" code.

This will ONLY work if your terminal program knows about and acts on the
Printer On/Off codes.  (If you don't know and can't find out then just try
it and see.)


2.  Tell Pine to use a locallay-attached printer in the above way.

You do this very simply... From the Main Menu go to the Setp Printer
screen ("S" then *"P"*).  Look at the screen descriptions, and select the
appropriate one from this section:

----------
Printer attached to IBM PC or compatible, Macintosh
    This may not work with all attached printers, and will depend on the
    terminal emulation/communications software in use. It is known to work
    with Kermit and the latest UW version of NCSA telnet on Macs and PCs,
    Versaterm Pro on Macs, and WRQ Reflections on PCs.
      Printer: attached-to-ansi
               attached-to-ansi-no-formfeed
----------


3.  Having done this try printing a message.

Do this by reading a message (or just highlighting it in the Index
screen), and then using the "Y" (prYnt) command.

If your terminal program DOES understand ANSI Printer On/Off codes the
message should come out nicely on your printer (assuming you remembered to
turn it on!:-)

If your terminal program DOESN'T understand the control codes then the
message will just go shooting up the screen instead.  Solution?  Obtain
and use a different terminal program that DOES understand the codes(!).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 11 Jun 1996, Simone Shoemaker wrote:

> I have never quite figured out how to correctly print out any e-mail 
> messages. While in Pine, the only thing I seem to be able to do is click 
> on "turn printer on" - but then it will print everything on the screen, 
> including the commands on the bottom of the page. Plus it prints only one 
> page at a time, so if there is more, I have to hit return, and it will 
> continue - but then these commands wind up in the middle of the message, 
> and often it will repeat two lines. 
> 
> Can somebody please help me figure out how to print messages neat and clean?
> Would I have to save it to somewhere else first, as a file? But then what?
> Help!
> 
> Simone
> 



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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> It is *important* that something is ALWAYS present in the "To:" field. 

> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Andy Dustman wrote:
> 
> > even when there are obviously recipients (in the To: or Cc:). Not fatal, but
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, I know. I have been informed that this is a known 3.93 bug which
will be fixed in 3.94.               

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We have disk quota enabled on our Solaris 2.3 system.
When users exceeding disk quota try to delete messages from pine to 
free space, the messages marked D are not deleted upon exist but are 
found to still exist in the inbox when going into pine again.
Can someone help with this problem ?!
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In article <19960611233908.aaaa006pC@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>,
	<lv426@alpha.c2.org> writes:
>Just wondering if anyone out there has gotten these two progams to "play nice" together under Linux 1.2.13 (or any other OS for that matter)?
>

I have done it under Irix5.3 (Pine 3.93) and it worked out very nicely.
Although I do not use premail any more.  To find out what I use now, 
please visit my web page (www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html).

>if you have, please describe exactly what steps you took to arrive at such 
>a happy union... because I am at my wit's end here.
>

It is hard for us to guess what is wrong if you do not tell more about it.
I remember that one has to make the perl script executable, preferrably by
you only (for security), and you have to enter your own ID in the script
before using it, or the default name will be used and cause you a lot of
confusion.  I remember that premail can chain the email through remailers
to hide your identity in addition to PGP operations.  It is very handy for
those who want to avoid persecutions while doing constructive things, or to 
spam some open mailing lists, threatening, insulting, or trick other people, 
or newsgroups for any or no reason.  I tested this feature but never found 
a use for it so far.


Jie
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lv426@alpha.c2.org wrote:
> 
> Just wondering if anyone out there has gotten these two progams to "play nice" together under Linux 1.2.13 (or any other OS for that matter)?
> 
> if you have, please describe exactly what steps you took to arrive at such a happy union... because I am at my wit's end here.
> 
> info on premail can be found at http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html

I did exactly what it said to do in the premail release notes: You have to
set the sendmail-path variable in your .pinerc (you *cannot* set it within
pine's configuration screen; it isn't there) to the path of your premail
with some options for to be passed to the real sendmail. After that, you
will need to configure customized-hdrs in pine to include some of the
headers that premail wants: Sign, Chain, Anon-From, Anon-Reply-To appear to 
be the relevant ones, but I have only used Sign and Chain so far. You will
need to use the Rich Header command (^R) in the header when composing. 
The release notes *are* a bit vague on how to decode. The easiest way is to
pipe (|) to the command "premail -decode". I have only been using premail
for a few days and it makes life with PGP a lot easier. 

FYI, this is under Linux 2.0, but should work as well under 1.2.13.

-- 
Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA
===== For PGP public key:  finger andy@neptune.chem.uga.edu | pgp -fka =====
Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net
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> I need some help with setting up my Pine configuration file so I can use
> it for reading news groups. I have read documentation on Pine and tried
> to set it up with no luck. There is something I'm doing wrong. 

	I don't know, what are you doing?

>I know the server that has the news on it at work but can't seem to
>figure it out.

	This is a good start.  Have you tried to enter the server name in 
the nntp-server feild in the configuration screen in pine? ( M (main), S
(setup), C (configure); arrow down to NNTP-SERVER A (add), then type in
the name of the server.  Then when you are in the folder list screen you
should have a seperate folder collection named news collection.  Type S
(subscribe) and choose the groups that you want to subscribe to.  

Hope this helped!!!


Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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From: ZHAOLU LU <zlu@alcor.concordia.ca>
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Dear Sir/Madam,

Could you please tell me how to transfer the address book to a PC and use 
it in another mainframe.


                                   Best regards,

                                   Zhaolu Lu
                                   Department of Philosophy
                                   Concordia University
                                   7141 Sherbrooke St. W
                                   Montreal, Quebec  H4B 1R6

                                   (O)  (514) 848-2511
                                   Fax: (514) 848-2515
                                   (H): (514) 369-0169




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I am trying to figure out why my Sendmail rules work when I use the mail
program but not when I use Pine. How can I log the interaction between
these programs and how can I get a complete log of every email
transaction including address rewrites?

Thanks.


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I seem to be getting conflicting signals as to whether Pine 3.93 supports
POP3 or not? I am running PC-Pine. I didn't think it did, but then I've seen
articles posted to this newsgroup that showed folks using a hostname of the
form {hostname/pop3}. I tried this and it didn't work. I'd love to use
PC-Pine as my main mail program but with IMAP it is totally worthless. I have
access to three different ISP's and none of them support IMAP. All support
POP3 though.

=============================================================================
John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com
Cary, North Carolina  http://www.webbuild.com/~jbdavis/
=============================================================================



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Vladimir V. Piterbarg wrote:
>wriite@soho.ios.com (Bryan H.) writes:


>>In 3.91, when trying to add entries to a list, I cannot see how a file 
>>such as:

>>john@aol.com,
>>mary@aol.com,
>>bob@aol.com

>>...can be imported into the list.  When I try the add-to-list function, 
>>it seems to only want to add a single address at a time.  Am I correct?

>I once had a similar problem. What I did is wrote the list directly into the
>addressbook. If you haven't changed the name, it is called .addressbook. It is 
>just a plain text file, so you can edit it (with little care to preserve
>the structure). Start creating list in pine, add 2 or three addresses, then
>exit pine and start pico on .addressbook (or whatever you addresbook is called).
>Find the place where you list starts, and include (^R in pico) your separate
>file with the list you want
>in there. Pay special attention to separators. Good luck

Isn't this unusually difficult, since some form of a nickname must also 
be added to each entry?

Bryan


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How can I unsubscribe??/


On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Harold Todd Chapman wrote:

> I am trying to figure out why my Sendmail rules work when I use the mail
> program but not when I use Pine. How can I log the interaction between
> these programs and how can I get a complete log of every email
> transaction including address rewrites?
>
> Thanks.
>
>




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I want to use more than just the .signature file as signature.  Is it 
possible to make pine pick randomly amongst signature files? and if so, 
how do i configure it to do that?

Please reply to solus@solus.com since i won't be able to access this 
newsgroup.. thanks.

Chris


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From: rosemann@clark.net (Curt Rosemann)
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Is anyone using PC Pine with Trumpet on a Lan?  Pine always says it cannot
find host.

PC Pine works well with Tropic's TCP/IP winsock.

All other programs seem to work fine with Tumpet. (Netscape, Ewan, Eudora,
etc.)

Any help would be appreciated.


Curt Rosemann
rosemann@clark.net


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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:18:46 -0500
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References: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960607125351.7513A-100000@shooter.bluemarble.net> <Pine.SGI.3.93.960610092535.2943E-100000@tower.york.ac.uk>
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Are you talking about the enable-full header-cmd or actually the
viewer-hdrs?  the viewer-hdrs is located at the bottom of the feature list
but befor the the saved-msg-name-rule etc... defaults.

On 10 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> First, a hint...
> 
> If you can see/find something in the Configuration screen use the Where
> (W) command to search for a string, just as you can in a message or index
> screen.
> 
> In particular doing a "W header" takes you straight to the option called
> "enable-full-header-cmd".  (Then typing a "?" or "^G" displays help about
> this feature.)
> 
> Having turned on this option you can then use the now-available "H"
> command when viewing a message (or in the Index screen).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Where is the view-header option in config menu?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: John Davis <jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Sorry, PC-Pine does not yet support POP.

(Unix Pine can access a POP server in quasi-online mode, but not in
offline mode, as POP was designed for.)

-teg

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, John Davis wrote:

> I seem to be getting conflicting signals as to whether Pine 3.93 supports
> POP3 or not? I am running PC-Pine. I didn't think it did, but then I've seen
> articles posted to this newsgroup that showed folks using a hostname of the
> form {hostname/pop3}. I tried this and it didn't work. I'd love to use
> PC-Pine as my main mail program but with IMAP it is totally worthless. I have
> access to three different ISP's and none of them support IMAP. All support
> POP3 though.
> 
> =============================================================================
> John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com
> Cary, North Carolina  http://www.webbuild.com/~jbdavis/
> =============================================================================
> 
> 



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Hello!  I would like to have two signature files to choose from.  How do I
go about making them and then retrieving them into my messages?


Janene Bussell                           Department of Psychology
JBUSSE01@.fiu.edu                        Florida International University
(305) 348-3941                           University Park, Miami, FL 33199




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From: Tony Costa <tcosta@leucs.med.cornell.edu>
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What is it that is giving you problems?
I was able to setup Pine 3.91 and Linux 1.2.13 rather nicely, with one 
small problem that I am not sure is really Pine's fault.
With my current in house SMTP gateway I cannot reply where the From: is 
picked up. I getan error like no recipients to reply to!
This seams to be caused by the fact that there is an X-Status value that 
precedes the From: header.
Anyone know how to configure Pine to compensate for this?
Thanks,

On 11 Jun 1996 lv426@alpha.c2.org wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone out there has gotten these two progams to "play nice" together under Linux 1.2.13 (or any other OS for that matter)?
> 
> if you have, please describe exactly what steps you took to arrive at such a happy union... because I am at my wit's end here.
> 
> info on premail can be found at http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html
> 


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Mike,
Is there any settings and in which file woud it be stored to compensate 
for From: being written later in the header, than it would normally apear?
I have a problem with a SMTP gateway that it adds some internal X-Status 
junk before the From: header and Pine can't read it so it cannot not find 
the return address for a reply. But the interesting thing is that elm 
works fine.
Any idea's?
Thanks,

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> You can add the "Reply-To" (and any other) custom header by:
> 
> 1.  Start Pine.
> 2.  At the Main Menu go to the Setup Configuration screen by typing "S"
>     then "C".
> 3.  Move the highlight down to the "customized-hdrs" item.
> 4.  Read its help by typing "?"
> 5.  Exit the help screen and follow its instructions.  :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On 11 Jun 1996, Jeffrey Liu wrote:
> 
> > Hey all...
> > 
> > I use pop mail.  Since I dial in to retrieve my mail, as much as I 
> > would love to send mail through pine, I can't because I cannot set my 
> > return address.  My return address is simply a bogus root@ or user@ 
> > my machine name.  If there is a way to set a REPLY or REPLY-TO field 
> > in the header of my outgoing emails through the use of PINE (without 
> > editing Sendmail.cf) this would be appreciated.  Thanks! :)
> > 
> > Please email me back as I do not have the fortune of reading 
> > newsgroups everyday :)
> > -- 
> >                                           JEFF :O
> >                                           Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu
> >                                           
> >                                           
> > 
> 


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Hello,

If I want to post a question to a newsgroup such as
alt.psychology.mistake, is it possible to do that using pine?

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From: Michael Seibel <mikes@cac.washington.edu>
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Subject: Pine and PC-Pine 3.94 now available
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This note is to announce the availability of the Pine Message System
version 3.94.  This release introduces few new features, but is intended
to address many of the problems reported in previous versions.

A more complete explanation of improvements is available via the built-in
release notes ("R" off the Main Menu), or via: 

        http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine
and:
        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs

This release should be considerably more stable than previous versions,
but, as always, you should satisfy yourself that this is the case in your
particular environment before introducing it (or any release) into a
production setting.

Pine version 3.94 source is available in:

        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
and
        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

PC-Pine in available in:

        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pcpine

and precompiled binaries for the various systems we have direct access to
are available in:

        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin
and
        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin-compressed

Our thanks to everyone that has contributed to this effort by taking the
time to send their suggestions and bug reports.  We continue to welcome
any and all comments! 

Enjoy!

Sincerely,

The Pine Development Team



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Is there any way of configuring PINE to automatically enter
one's password when using PINE to read mail from a remote host
using imap (or ?) protocol?

I have checked the .pinerc file but nothing seems to do this function, not even 
the 'initial keystrokes list'...am I missing something obvious/

Thanks
Paul
-- 
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              | learn nothing from history.  I know people who can't learn from
              | what happened this morning.  Hegel must have been taking the
              | long view.  -The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan


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lpage@u.washington.edu (Linda Page):
> I monitor two email accounts, one on Homer and one on Carson.  When I
> respond to a message in Pine on Homer, the signature line is placed above
> the old message and below where the new message goes.  This is the way it
> should be.  When I do the same thing in Pine on Carson, the signature
> line goes at the end after the old message.  Can you tell me what is wrong?

Different admin setup files on different hosts?
Different setup files for different accounts?
Did you check your files?

Sven



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References: <zosma-0506962328330001@port9.lightlink.com> <Pine.SGI.3.93.960610091946.2943D-100000@tower.york.ac.uk>

In article <Pine.SGI.3.93.960610091946.2943D-100000@tower.york.ac.uk>, pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell) says:
>
>Sending an attachment using Pine...
>
>1.  Start your message (Compose, Reply, Forward, etc).
>
>2.  Put cursor on the "Attchmnt:" header line at the top of the screen.
>
>3.  Type ^G (Get help, as shown on menu at foot of screen).
>
>4.  Read instructions.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
>Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
>
>On 6 Jun 1996, G. V. Palazzolo wrote:
>
>> I want to send an attachmet along with a message on PINE.  How do I do
>> this.  I could not find an answer on the online help.
>> 
>> gvp
>> 
>> -- 
>> Knowledge is power.
>> 
>
While your at it, Mr Brudenell, can you tell this newbie how to view a attached 
file.  Also, I can't seem to transfer WAVs and JPGs into my root directory.

Thanks in advance,

Seiji Tamura
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I can's seem to transfer WAVs and JPGs into my root directory 
from attached files in PINE.  Can anyone help me?

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
Reply-To: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: John Davis <jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Does Pine support POP3 or not??
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, John Davis wrote:

> I seem to be getting conflicting signals as to whether Pine 3.93 supports
> POP3 or not? I am running PC-Pine. I didn't think it did, but then I've seen
> articles posted to this newsgroup that showed folks using a hostname of the
> form {hostname/pop3}. I tried this and it didn't work. I'd love to use
> PC-Pine as my main mail program but with IMAP it is totally worthless. I have
> access to three different ISP's and none of them support IMAP. All support
> POP3 though.

I presume you don't *really* mean "but with IMAP it is totally worthless"
-- you surely can't say this without having tried and tested the
configuration.  (We use IMAP here and it works _very_ well.)

I think the weight should be on your following sentences instead.  :-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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Hello 
I need your help too much. pls pls reply me
1)Is it possible in pine 3.91 that if someone send me a msg and pine will forward it 
to my other email no automatically.
2) I am connected to isp (paket1.ptc.pk) but it is not supporting NNTP . iS IT POSSIBLE IN PINE 3.91
THAT i READ NAD POST USENET on the server which is not supporting usenet news
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Christian Reinsfelt <solus@solus.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: multiple signtures
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No, there is no option in Pine to do this.

If this is REALLY inportant to you (heaven knows why!) then either...

* Store your signatures in files with short (eg, one letter) names which
can be included manually in the message text using the ^R command

or

*  Investigate the new "sending-filters" feature in Pine 3.93 which is
designed as a means of giving you a "hook" into the sending process.

(I'm sure the first person to come up with a decent random signature
includer filter will earn the undying gratitude of those to whome such
things are important.)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Christian Reinsfelt wrote:

> I want to use more than just the .signature file as signature.  Is it 
> possible to make pine pick randomly amongst signature files? and if so, 
> how do i configure it to do that?
> 
> Please reply to solus@solus.com since i won't be able to access this 
> newsgroup.. thanks.
> 
> Chris
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Tony Costa <tcosta@leucs.med.cornell.edu>
Cc: Jeffrey Liu <Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu>, pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Your best bet is to send a sample problem message (complete with headers)
to the Pine Team for comment... I was under the impression that Pine
scanned ALL the headers of a message, and could find entries no matter
which order they appear in.

Make sure you don't have any blank lines within the list of headers (as
this signifies "end of headers, start of body text".

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Tony Costa wrote:

> Mike,
> Is there any settings and in which file woud it be stored to compensate 
> for From: being written later in the header, than it would normally apear?
> I have a problem with a SMTP gateway that it adds some internal X-Status 
> junk before the From: header and Pine can't read it so it cannot not find 
> the return address for a reply. But the interesting thing is that elm 
> works fine.
> Any idea's?
> Thanks,
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > You can add the "Reply-To" (and any other) custom header by:
> > 
> > 1.  Start Pine.
> > 2.  At the Main Menu go to the Setup Configuration screen by typing "S"
> >     then "C".
> > 3.  Move the highlight down to the "customized-hdrs" item.
> > 4.  Read its help by typing "?"
> > 5.  Exit the help screen and follow its instructions.  :-)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> > Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> > 
> > On 11 Jun 1996, Jeffrey Liu wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey all...
> > > 
> > > I use pop mail.  Since I dial in to retrieve my mail, as much as I 
> > > would love to send mail through pine, I can't because I cannot set my 
> > > return address.  My return address is simply a bogus root@ or user@ 
> > > my machine name.  If there is a way to set a REPLY or REPLY-TO field 
> > > in the header of my outgoing emails through the use of PINE (without 
> > > editing Sendmail.cf) this would be appreciated.  Thanks! :)
> > > 
> > > Please email me back as I do not have the fortune of reading 
> > > newsgroups everyday :)
> > > -- 
> > >                                           JEFF :O
> > >                                           Jeffrey_Liu@brown.edu
> > >                                           
> > >                                           
> > > 
> > 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Paul Thompson <cy888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: automatic password entry
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What most people really want when they ask this method is a way of
"pre-authenticating" to the IMAP server.  This is certainly possible for
UNIX Pine providing your server is set up appropriately.  (Can anyone
comment on PC-Pine?)

The steps are:


1.  On the computer running the IMAP server...

a)  Make a symbolic link from /etc/rimapd to point to the real imapd
executable.

b)  Set up your username so that the server trusts the computer you'll be
running Pine on (by setting up a suitable .rhosts file for your username
*on the mail server*).  This then lets you use "rsh" from the named
computer to the IMAP server computer to run commands without having to
supply a username/password (this is determined via the rsh mechanism
itself).

[IMPORTANT: if you get this wrong you can open a security hole to your
username on the mail server; check with your local support desk on how to
do this.]


2.  On the computer you run Pine on...

a)  Test you got the .rhosts file set up properly by typing the following
command:
	rsh imapserver.yoursite.yourdomain /etc/rimapd
You SHOULD get a welcome banner line along the lines of:
	* PREAUTH mailer.york.ac.uk IMAP2bis Service 7.8(100) at Thu, 13
		Jun 1996 10:17:07 +0100 (BST)
To which you should respond:
	A01 logout
If you get prompted for a password then your .rhosts file is wrong.  Other
error messages should give a clue as to what is wrong (probably with the
rsh mechanism or the symbolic link you set up).

b)  Try using Pine to open a mailbox using IMAP on your server.  It should
now open without prompting you for a username and password.

[NOTE FOR SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS: Rather than expecting each user to set up
a .rhosts file for themselves (and possibly getting it wrong!) consider
using a "hosts.equiv" file to create a systemwide list of trusted hosts
... but make sure you consider the security implicartions first! :-]


Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 13 Jun 1996, Paul Thompson wrote:

> 
> Is there any way of configuring PINE to automatically enter
> one's password when using PINE to read mail from a remote host
> using imap (or ?) protocol?
> 
> I have checked the .pinerc file but nothing seems to do this function, not even 
> the 'initial keystrokes list'...am I missing something obvious/
> 
> Thanks
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Thompson | Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we 
>               | learn nothing from history.  I know people who can't learn from
>               | what happened this morning.  Hegel must have been taking the
>               | long view.  -The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
> 



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In article <4pnb05$irg@clarknet.clark.net>,
   rosemann@clark.net (Curt Rosemann) wrote:
>Is anyone using PC Pine with Trumpet on a Lan?  Pine always says it cannot
>find host.
>
>PC Pine works well with Tropic's TCP/IP winsock.
>
>All other programs seem to work fine with Tumpet. (Netscape, Ewan, Eudora,
>etc.)
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>Curt Rosemann
>rosemann@clark.net
>
>
Pine 3.93 fails to do the autodial on my pc at home; thought netscape and 
ws_ftp etc do start it OK
chris


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In the old version (3.91), I was able to select names (^T) in the
addressbook from "group listing".  In version 3.93, I'm not able to do
so?  Was there a reason why that feature was taken out and if not, how
do I reactive that feature?

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I've seen alot of info on how to save to this folder and that folder, but 
how do I save to the C:\ or a:\ as a ".txt" file.
"e" does not do it and "v" & "s" does not do it.

This should be easy, but I can't figure it out???

Rick...
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From: Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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On 12 Jun 1996, Bryan H. wrote:

> Vladimir V. Piterbarg wrote:
> >wriite@soho.ios.com (Bryan H.) writes:
> 
> 
> >>In 3.91, when trying to add entries to a list, I cannot see how a file 
> >>such as:
> 
> >>john@aol.com,
> >>mary@aol.com,
> >>bob@aol.com
> 
> >>...can be imported into the list.  When I try the add-to-list function, 
> >>it seems to only want to add a single address at a time.  Am I correct?
> 
> > [deleted]
> 
> Isn't this unusually difficult, since some form of a nickname must also 
> be added to each entry?

Editing the actual .addressbook isn't too difficult in this case.  Each
entry in the list is just an address, and they are separated by commas.

Another way to solve this problem is to get pine 3.94 and mail yourself
the file in the body of a message.  Then the Take command will let you add
all the addresses to a list at once.  (I think this was in 3.92 and 3.93,
too, but if you're getting one of those you should get 3.94 instead.)

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac..washington.edu>
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Un jour, Paul Thompson (cy888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) a spiculi sur:

| Is there any way of configuring PINE to automatically enter one's
| password when using PINE to read mail from a remote host using imap (or 
| ?) protocol? 

Would you really want PINE to keep your passwd somewhere? In a text file 
perhaps? (".pinerc"). I believe it's a security issue.


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Subject: de-dupe addressbook?
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:46:16 -0400
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	Is there a way (other than slugging through by hand) to
check my addressbook for duplicate entries, particularly with
different nicknames?
	And if I do it the hard way, alphabetizing by surname
and then paging through, how do I avoid deleting the wrong one?
I may have either or both nicknames in two or three lists each.
Paging through lots of them for each duplicate name would really
be a drag!

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
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Library of Congress                   keep her balance: buy a
Washington, DC 20540-4120             neo-redneck some ammo!
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I have two customized headers --- Reply-To: and Return-Receipt-To:.
When I type an addressbook nickname in the Reply-To field, Pine (3.94)
expands it.  But this expansion doesn't occur for the
Return-Receipt-To field.

How does Pine decide which customized headers qualify for addressbook
lookups?

(BTW, the above behaviour is what I want.  The previous version of
Pine expanded Return-Receipt-To also, which caused problems.)


--  Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>, Fri Jun 14 01:17:06 GMT 1996



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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:25:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cerberus <cerberus@ginch.dial.umd.edu>
To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Cannot open file for writing.
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Linux, slackware 3.0.0, compiled pine 3.93 from the pine.tar.gz on
ftp.cac.washington.edu.  The program itself works like a charm, lots of
speedups, enhancements, better configuration options than 3.91.  GREAT
work guys. My users and I love it.

But - I get a "Cannot open file for writing" in the message-status bar
when I compose mail.

Here is a copy of the most recent .pine-debug1 .  Any help would be
appreciated.  I read over the .pine-debug1 file, but I don't see anything
that could be wrong/broken.  If I've blatently over-looked something, let
me know, loudly if necessary :)

Thanks!

-dave

.pine-debug1
--
Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2).  Version 3.93
Thu Jun 13 16:05:05 1996

reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf"
Read 11022 characters:
reading_pinerc "/home/cerberus/.pinerc"
Read 14286 characters:
reading_pinerc "/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed"
Read 0 characters:
======= Current_val options set =======
           inbox-path : inbox
     incoming-folders : from_cerb	inbox/in.from_cerb
                      : humour		inbox/in.humour
                      : shadow		inbox/in.shadow
                      : Linux-ISP	inbox/in.linux_isp
                      : WordSmith	inbox/inbox.wordsmith
   folder-collections : mail/[]
          default-fcc : sent-mail
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
         feature-list : enable-bounce-cmd
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : save-will-not-delete
                      : save-will-advance
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : enable-aggregate-command-set
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
                      : enable-flag-cmd
                      : enable-full-header-cmd
                      : enable-incoming-folders
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : enable-mail-check-cue
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-unix-pipe-cmd
                      : expanded-view-of-addressbooks
                      : expanded-view-of-folders
                      : show-selected-in-boldface
                      : select-without-confirm
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
 initial-keystroke-li : i
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : Arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : lpr
     standard-printer : lpr
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.93
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (/home/cerberus/.pinerc) =======
        personal-name : Cerberus
     incoming-folders : from_cerb	inbox/in.from_cerb
                      : humour		inbox/in.humour
                      : shadow		inbox/in.shadow
                      : Linux-ISP	inbox/in.linux_isp
                      : WordSmith	inbox/inbox.wordsmith
   folder-collections : mail/[]
       signature-file : .signature
         feature-list : enable-bounce-cmd
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : save-will-not-delete
                      : save-will-advance
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : enable-aggregate-command-set
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
                      : enable-flag-cmd
                      : enable-full-header-cmd
                      : enable-incoming-folders
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : enable-mail-check-cue
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-unix-pipe-cmd
                      : expanded-view-of-addressbooks
                      : expanded-view-of-folders
                      : show-selected-in-boldface
                      : select-without-confirm
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
 initial-keystroke-li : i
             sort-key : Arrival
              printer : lpr
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.93
======= Global_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf) =======
           inbox-path : inbox
          default-fcc : sent-mail
 default-saved-msg-fo : saved-messages
     postponed-folder : postponed-msgs
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : .signature
         address-book : .addressbook
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
======= Fixed_val options set (/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-allow-talk
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
  no-auto-open-next-unread
  no-auto-zoom-after-select
  no-auto-unzoom-after-apply
  no-compose-cut-from-cursor
  no-compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-send-offers-first-filter
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-keymenu
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-update-cmd
  no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
     enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
  no-enable-8bit-nntp-posting
     enable-aggregate-command-set
     enable-alternate-editor-cmd
     enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
     enable-bounce-cmd
  no-enable-cruise-mode
  no-enable-cruise-mode-delete
  no-enable-dot-files
  no-enable-dot-folders
     enable-flag-cmd
  no-enable-flag-screen-implicitly
     enable-full-header-cmd
     enable-incoming-folders
     enable-jump-shortcut
     enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-mouse-in-xterm
  no-enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
     enable-suspend
     enable-tab-completion
     enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-enable-verbose-smtp-posting
     expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
     expanded-view-of-folders
  no-expunge-without-confirm
  no-fcc-on-bounce
  no-include-attachments-in-reply
  no-include-header-in-reply
  no-include-text-in-reply
  no-news-approximates-new-status
  no-news-post-without-validation
  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-pass-control-characters-as-is
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
  no-print-index-enabled
  no-print-formfeed-between-messages
  no-quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
  no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
  no-quell-status-message-beeping
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
  no-quit-without-confirm
  no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
     save-will-not-delete
     save-will-advance
     select-without-confirm
  no-show-cursor
     show-selected-in-boldface
     signature-at-bottom
  no-single-column-folder-list
  no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
     use-current-dir
  no-use-function-keys
  no-use-sender-not-x-sender
  no-use-subshell-for-suspend
Userid: cerberus
Fullname: "Cerberus"
User domain name being used ""
Local Domain name being used "dial.umd.edu"
Host name being used "ginch.dial.umd.edu"
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"ginch.dial.umd.edu"
---- write_pinerc ----
Context mail/[] type: LOCAL
new win size -----<24 80>------
Terminal type: xterm
Context [] type: LOCAL
Context mail/[] type: LOCAL
About to open folder "INBOX"    inbox: "INBOX"
Opened folder "/var/spool/mail/cerberus" with 42 messages
Sorting by Arrival
IMAP 16:05:07 6/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/cerberus/.pine-interrupted-mail
- mailcap_free -


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----
IMAP 16:05:07 6/13 mm_log parse: Probable bogus newsgroup list "um.housing,dc.housing,um.general" in "<199606131743.NAA04334@assembly.eng.umd.edu>" ignored


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----

 - expunge -
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP 16:05:33 6/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 1 messages
expunge complete cur:41 max:41
Sorting by Arrival
Sorting by Arrival


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----

 - expunge -
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP 16:12:27 6/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 1 messages
expunge complete cur:41 max:41
Sorting by Arrival
Sorting by Arrival


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----

 - expunge -
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP 16:50:10 6/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 2 messages
expunge complete cur:41 max:41
Sorting by Arrival
Sorting by Arrival


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.
Sorting by Arrival


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.
Sorting by Arrival


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----

 - expunge -
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP 17:05:01 6/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 2 messages
expunge complete cur:42 max:42
Sorting by Arrival
MAIL_CMD: going back to main menu
- mailcap_free -


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----


    ---- HELPER ----
Helptext Failed open "/usr/local/lib/pine.info": "No such file or directory"
- mailcap_free -


    ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
IMAP 17:16:59 6/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/cerberus/.pine-interrupted-mail

=== send called ===

  ---- COMPOSER ----
- build_address - (pine-info@cac.washington.edu)
-- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) --
- adrbk_open(/home/cerberus/.addressbook) -
Address book .addressbook (/home/cerberus/.addressbook) opened with 2 items
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(pine-info@cac.washington.edu) (in /home/cerberus/.addressbook) -
- build_address - ()
- build_address - ()
- build_address - (majordomo@cac.washington.edu)
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(majordomo@cac.washington.edu) (in /home/cerberus/.addressbook) -
- build_address - ()
new win size -----<24 80>------
Want_to read: y (121)
new win size -----<24 80>------
Opened SMTP server "/usr/sbin/sendmail -bs -odb -oem"
done.
- mailcap_free -


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----
Sorting by Arrival


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----

 - expunge -
Want_to read: RETURN (13)
IMAP 17:19:36 6/13 mm_log babble: Expunged 2 messages
expunge complete cur:42 max:42
Sorting by Arrival
- mailcap_free -


    ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
IMAP 17:20:56 6/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/cerberus/.pine-interrupted-mail

=== send called ===

  ---- COMPOSER ----
Sorting by Arrival
new win size -----<24 80>------
IMAP 17:21:02 6/13 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: /home/cerberus/dead.letter
done.


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
done.
Want_to read: y (121)
- build_address - (NIVLEK <keng@wam.umd.edu>)
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(keng@wam.umd.edu) (in /home/cerberus/.addressbook) -
done.

=== send called ===

  ---- COMPOSER ----
new win size -----<24 8





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http://ginch.dial.umd.edu/
software is cheap fast and reliable (pick two).
All day, everyday, chasing doughnuts up a hill.
RIP: Freedom of Speech.  1776-1996.  It was good while it lasted.




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From: Marc Herbert <herbert@supaero.fr>
Subject: Re: pine 3.93: resizing windows on HP-UX
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:16:47 +0200
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Alessandro MIOTTO wrote:
> 
> I just realised that window resizing does not work for pine 3.93 built on
> an HP: it appears that /usr/include/sys/termio.h is included too late for
> the "#ifdef TIOCGWINSZ" line in osdep/os-hpp.h to take effect.
> Am I correct?
> 

I've made the same analysis, sent a bug report,
and received some thanks ! I think you're right !


-- 
Marc Herbert
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I'm having trouble setting up global address books.  I'm using version3.90 with SCO Unix on an HP 
netserver.  The file /usr/local/lib/pine.conf doesn't exist.  I'm not sure how to create it (through
vi...?) or how to get pine to recognize it.  Also once the file is setup, may I just use nicknames for the
distribution lists?

Please help this novice PINE user!!


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Does PINE 3.91 (UNIX) use a mimetypes file, and if so, what is the name?

The documentations do not cover this - they only discuss how PINE 
"sniffs" the file to be encoded and sets the mimetype based on this.

Thank you in advance.    -=BB



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Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> What most people really want when they ask this method is a way of
> "pre-authenticating" to the IMAP server.  This is certainly possible for
> UNIX Pine providing your server is set up appropriately.  (Can anyone
> comment on PC-Pine?)
> 
> The steps are:
> 
> 1.  On the computer running the IMAP server...
> 
> a)  Make a symbolic link from /etc/rimapd to point to the real imapd
> executable.
> 
> b)  Set up your username so that the server trusts the computer you'll be
> running Pine on (by setting up a suitable .rhosts file for your username
> *on the mail server*).  This then lets you use "rsh" from the named
> computer to the IMAP server computer to run commands without having to
> supply a username/password (this is determined via the rsh mechanism
> itself).
> 
> [IMPORTANT: if you get this wrong you can open a security hole to your
> username on the mail server; check with your local support desk on how to
> do this.]
> 

On our system, the /etc/passwd (and shadow) don't contain any passwords.
Instead all daemons that need it, queries a special "security-server"
for which user is connected to this port, and thereby limits the use
of passwords to a minimum (only used in terminal-servers when connecting).

This means that a user connecting with IMAP to the mailserver can't use
a password to identify himself. The authentication must be done by asking
the securityserver.

We also don't want the average joe to be able to rsh to the mailserver.
They should be limited to just use "user-servers".

Because of this I have tried to patch the imap-server to use our special
authentication method, and thereafter respond with the "PREAUTH"-message.
However this won't work for some reason. (Pine tries to connect,
and thereafter responds something like "the server closed the connection".
Seems like pine is expecting something to happen (probably to get a ok to
authentify the user), which never occurs, and then gets dissconnected
after a timeout from the server. When I telnet manually everything seems
to be fine.)

(We now NFS-mounts the /var/mail on the user-servers, something we would
like to get rid of, because that NFS is too slow for our needs)

Anyone got an idea why the patched IMAP-server won't work with Pine?
An idea what we might need to do to Pine to accept a preauth-message
from a (in it's view) a regular IMAP-connection?

All suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely

Daniel Silén, sysadm Algonet AB <dsn@algonet.se>

PS
We use Pine3.92 and the IMAP4-toolkit (modified)
--
main(){char*p,s[]="\32ÿ\2S##s}#Cÿ\2\202#ssu3ÿ\0323#s{3\22#ÿc##sss#\22ÿ\2S##sss5\
ÿ\0323---#Cÿ";p=s;while(*p)putchar(*p!=-1?(*p&240?(*p-=16,32):((*p)-=2,*p<2?p++:
0,35)):(p++,10));}


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On 13 Jun 1996, Peter Chang wrote:

> >        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
> >and
> >        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz
> [snipped]
> 
> Any chance of a patch from 3.13 to 3.14, thus saving the large download from
> the other side of the world.
> 

There are sites that mirror the Pine distribution around the world. 
The sites that have notified us that they are maintaining mirrors are
listed in

	http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/mirrors.html

--DLM

P.S.  If anyone else would like their mirror site listed, please
contact pic@cac.washington.edu. 

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841
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Charles Martin, Hong Kong (cpmartin@iohk.com) wrote:
: ::You havent't installed the metamail package that TIN requires. You might
: ::try using Pine for news; it has Mime built in. 

: Or an offline newsreader, like  YARN (Dos) or Eudora (Windows).

Any suggestions where I could find YARN ?


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Is there a way that I can get pine to use two SMTP servers that way I can 
send mail from my two adresses.
Chad
P.s. I know I can telnet to port 25 other server or change the pinec 
everytime I want to send mail but this is too time consuming.



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Brian Bell <bbell19@nwlink.com>
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Subject: Re: mimetype filename
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No... mime.types support was introduced in Pine 3.92 (the current version
is now Pine 3.94).

If I recall correctly the man page for these versions of Pine describe the
locations searched for mime.types and mailcap files.  Alternatively you
can, as I did, search the source code (eg, using grep) looking for the
string 'mime.types'.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Brian Bell wrote:

> Does PINE 3.91 (UNIX) use a mimetypes file, and if so, what is the name?
> 
> The documentations do not cover this - they only discuss how PINE 
> "sniffs" the file to be encoded and sets the mimetype based on this.
> 
> Thank you in advance.    -=BB
> 



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Hi,
I use pine to read news but when I post then there in Folder Index
where I would like to see my name appears 'To: some.newsgroup..'.
Does anybody know how to solve this, please? Thank you.
	Ales

Ales Pour
student at FEE CTU
Prague, Czech Republic
http://www.felk.cvut.cz



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We are testing the new version of pine.
Unfortunately when we mail or post to news groups they always arrive
encoded in MIME. Even when we request 8bit posting (we use greek
chars) the subject and the body message arrive MIME encoded.

I have experienced similar discrepancies with the same matter in
the previous pine versions as well.

Could you please tell me if I am doing something wrong?

Thanks,

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Ales Pour <root@hnipak.sh.cvut.cz>
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Subject: Re: <-- how to have my name here?
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This is perfectly normal and affects only your display.

It is trying to helpful by displaying more information (it seems a bit
pointless just to say the item was from yourself).  Instead whenever you
see "To:" you know you sent the message AND you can also see who it was
to.

More information displayed = more use to you.

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Ales Pour wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> I use pine to read news but when I post then there in Folder Index
> where I would like to see my name appears 'To: some.newsgroup..'.
> Does anybody know how to solve this, please? Thank you.
> 	Ales
> 
> Ales Pour
> student at FEE CTU
> Prague, Czech Republic
> http://www.felk.cvut.cz
> 



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From: "Richard G. Roberto" <richr@bear.com>
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Hi,

Sorry I'm sending you this directly and cc-ing the list, but main to the
list keeps bouncing for me (probably this cc as well!)  I can't seem to
access the imap web page.  I know it works because I sent another mail
about this before and all responses said it was fine.  I get the list and
recieved instructions on how to set up pine to be an imap client without
having to enter a username and passwd, etc.  I linked /usr/local/etc/imapd
to /etc/rimapd and put a + in my ~/.rhosts file.  My username/UID/GID on
my home machine are identicle to work and rsh workmachine /etc/rimapd
works as you described in previous mail.  "A01 logout" works fine as well.
However, pine (3.91 for linux) still prompts me for a username and passwd.
I can't find settings to augment this behavior in the rc file, so I grab
3.94 and drop it in.  It compiles fine (a few errors I didn't unerstand,
but the build completed.  I think it was looking for "bfd" something or
other -- a hard coded path for something I don't have installed?).
Anyway, now I'm running 3.94.  The enable-mouse-in-xterm setting does very
strange things.  No big deal, I can do without that (although I'd like to
get it working).  This big deal is, now I get prompted for a passwd when
pine just starts up -- before I only got prompted when I tried to access a
folder collection on the imap server machine.  Not only that, but I get
prompted for a passwd again when I try to access my work incoming folder
collection, and then again when I try to access my work saved folder
collection!  Perhaps the first authentication is for the SMTP server
setting and the others are correct?  The SMTP server is set to the same
machine my imap collections are on.  If this is the correct behavior, I
_really_ need to get this PREAUTH stuff working.  Any Ideas?  By the way,
my work machine is a SPARC4 runnning Solaris2.5 and the imap daemon from
the 3.93 pine dist.

TIA

P.S.: Any chance of "imap" being changed to "impa"?  I keep misspelling
it!!!  Either that or I'll have to learn to type!!!

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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Subject: PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3


We are rolling out PINE 3.93 to our 200+ users on an IBM R30 using AIX
4.1.3.  We have a variety of terminal types (WYSE 150's, AIXTERM, PC's
running KERMIT etc).  All of them have been experiencing pine locking up at
various times.  We seem to be seeing the problems mostly when going into the
Compose mode from the main menu, or from the address book using the COMPOSE
TO command.  The users sessions just freezes up.  Unfortunately, it is not
consistent at all, one time it works, the next time it does not.  

Are there any known issues running PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3 that we need to be
aware of, (fixes per chance?)

Greg



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Hello,

does someone know how to compile pine 3.93 on a HP-UX-System?

Thanks
Dieter


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If you know where I can get a SCO Pine 3.9[34] binary please tell me.  I 
found a 3.91 on Celestial.com a year ago but it's never been updated.

Any other SCO/pine users out there?

--
Dave Hansen
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Dieter Sibold wrote:

> does someone know how to compile pine 3.93 on a HP-UX-System?

Dieter,
	All I've ever done is untar it and then type "./build hpp".  The
binarys will be placed in a subdirectory called "bin/".  The documentation
(and man pages) is in "doc/".

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From: "Richard G. Roberto" <richr@bear.com>
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> AAAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!
> 
> 			URGENT!!  URGENT!!  URGENT!!
> 
> I think you may have just opened a gaping great security whole onto your
> computer and proudlu announced the fact to the world!
> 
> If you read the man page ".rhosts" it says that entries in your .rhosts
> file should be the "official" fully-qualified name of a host.  It then
> goes on to say...

We don't run DNS, so "fully qualified" is just the hostname.  This is
another little peeve of mine, as of 3.93, Pine barks about that!  Any way
to shut that off?  My work machine is _NOT_ attached to the internet.  We
batch our outgoing mail through another network (of HP/UX machines) and
from there to MCI, and then to the internet.  There are Checkpint
firewalls at least 6 deep between me and the outgoing spool.  My netscape
access is secure and triple proxied (me<->F1<->F2<->F3<->internet).  All
of this is fortified with SeOS as well.  I'm not saying that even this is
bullet proof, but we have whole departments dedicated to assuring security
here. If someone can get through all of that, my silly little .rhosts file
is surely not our biggest problem.


> 
> 	However, a hostname consisting of a single `+' indicates that all
> 	known hosts are to be trusted.  (Sites connected to external
> 	networks such as the Internet should not use `+'.) 
> 
> If I'm correct you have just opened your username to any computer on the
> Internet (providing the person has the same username as you).

Wrong.  They need to have the same identity as me (ie. UID/name/GID?) and
the source host needs to be well known to my system.  Since we don't run
DNS, this is a pretty tough spoof.  We also run secure RPC.

> 
> I suggest you check and change this pronto!

Already done.  I only used the "+" for testing last night.

> 
> 
> As for your authentication question....
> 
> Given your comment about error/warning messages when you were compiling
> Pine I'd suggest you try pulling the already compiled executable version
> of Pine instead and trying that.  You can get it from:
> 
> 	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/unix-bin/pine-bin.linux
> 

I'll try this tonight.

> Make sure you transfer it in binary mode, then just rename the resulting
> file from "pine-bin.linux" to "pine".
> 
> If this doesn't work either....
> 
> There really isn't anything magical about what Pine does when trying to
> pre-authenticate.  It extracts the hostname from the folder configuration
> line (in your .pinerc file) and then executes the command:
> 
> 	rsh that.host.name /etc/rimapd
> 
> It then checks that the connection was made and a response indicating that
> a pre-authenticated connection was made.  If you can see this by typing
> the above command to the UNIX command line prompt then I would really
> expect Pine to be able to pre-authenticate OK.
> 
> Can you send me a copy of your .pinerc file?  You can do this by putting
> the cursor on the "Attchmnt:" header and typing in the name of the file
> (.pinerc).  If all goes well it will expand this to the full filename and
> put the size of the file after it.

I'll send it tonight.

> 
> 
> Finally, your thoughts about sendmail are a red herring... you do not need
> to authenticate to sendmail.  Therefore the requests for you to
> authenticate are definitely coming from the IMAP connection.
> 

My SMTP server setting is another machine -- my imap server machine.  Does
my local sendmail just forward everything pine sends to it? What exactly
does this setting do?  I was under the impression that setting this to
another machine told pine to bypass the local SMTP agent (sendmail) and
talk SMTP directly to the host set in the variable.  Obviously I was
wrong, but could you clarify this mechanism?

> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>

TIA

Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:41:07 GMT
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I have two main folders: The INBOX for received mail and SENTMAIL for
mail I have sent. There are now about 500 messages in each of these.
What I would like to do is have all the mail in one folder, sorted by
date order.

I can save messages individually to another folder and then Sort them.
However, messages need to be saved one at a time. Can I "select" all
messages and save them all at once? Having done that for both folders,
I will have a larger folder that contains all the messages, but they
will be added on to each other, not in date order. I can then do a
sort by date order, but then how can I save the messages *in sorted
order*? The messages will not be saved in that order and I wish to
print the folder on to paper for my records so I need a file that is
already sorted.

I would like to do this with folders I have pulled off my shell
account and manipulate locally using PC Pine rather than on the shell
account. So any differences in this regard between the Unix and PC
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Any ideas?

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David Maddison



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From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan)
Subject: Re: pgp and pine
Date: 9 Jun 1996 13:16:53 GMT
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In article <4p9f3o$lno@balsam.unca.edu>,
	williame@cs.unca.edu (Earl Williams) writes:
>I have browsed this newsgroups backlogs and searched for a way to easily
>incorporate pgp into pine via the send filters, but I haven't seen an easy
>way.
>
>Could someone post the best way to do this?

This issue was discussed in detail more than a month ago and I have 
settled on a scheme that use send-filter to encrypt/clear-sign, and 
display-filter with a c-script for decryption in Pine (3.92, or 3.93). 
I put together a web page describing the configuration procedure for
this purpose.  Please feel free to visit it:

	www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html

Cheers!

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
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Hi,

Is it possible to read at once from multiple mailboxes
mounted over NFS ( say /usr/mail /nfs/mail1 nfs/mail2 ...)
if yes how ? I use 3.94

TIA
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Thanks for your responses on the question of mime.types in PINE 3.91.

(the answer is mime.type support began with PINE 3.92 and is not present 
in 3.91).



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My job involves searching for information on the Net using Netscape and
then giving that info to my boss. I'd like to be able to just email the
information straight to her but when I've tried what she gets has every
formatting code showing. This is especially bad when the information is in
a table format. I don't think graphics translate at all.  I've tried
saving the information as a file first but when it saves and I open it in,
say, W4W, all the formatting is there too.

	Can anyone tell me how to send formatted information from Netscape
to Pine email. Also, can I even do it with graphics?

Thanks...

Catherine McFarland
Center for Disability Policy and Research
University of Washington




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From: dad@news2.epix.net (DearOldDad)
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J. Bussell (jbusse01@fiu.edu) wrote:
: Hello!  I would like to have two signature files to choose from.  How do I
: go about making them and then retrieving them into my messages?

Make them with any word processor (pico) save them with different 
filenames (sig1 & sig2) then use the ^R (control + r) command to Read one 
in.  Hope this helps.  BYE  (sig3 follows)

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Before I mention my problem I want to say that overall, pine is a very
good mail reader, pine3.93 has some enhancements that make those of us who
depend on speech very happy!  getting rid of those overlapping lines from
screen to screen and the status line messages all the time makes things a
lot less complicated with unnecessarry chatter.

Anyway the help says that if you set mail checking to 0 it wil nto keep
telling you every time you have new mail!  This is really a problem since
it interupts the message your reading with new from so and so regarding
such and such.  also, if I am writing a message, pause, and a new message
comes in, I notice that some of the text from the new message is on the
screen and what I have previously written isn't viewable,  Anyway setting
the interval to 0 isn't working it is still beeping and chattering away
about new messages constantly, can anyone help?


If possible, please write to me directly, I don't always have time to
monitor the newsgroup, thanks in advance.



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From: rhd@xnet.com (Richard Derr)
Subject: Tab not quite what I want
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   I have several folders, all on a remote system, which recieve new
mail.  My understanding is that I may press tab to go to the next new
message in any folder while on an index listing.  This works as
expected if I'm at the index listing for my main inbox, but I get 'no
new messages in folder' if I'm on the index for a different incoming
folder.

   I'm using Pine 3.94 on a fairly modern Linux system for the client,
and the imapd (patched to support shadow passwords -- why isn't this
included?) from the same distribution on a somewhat older Linux system
for the server.

   Be nice, I'm pretty new to Pine -- couldn't stand it before 3.92.


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From: Kenn Herman-Web/Net Admin <kennh@wce.wwu.edu>
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:47:48 +0000
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Specs:
-------
  - Linux 2.0.0 (with all the proper upgrades!)
  - kernel compiled with quota support
  - merged/modified version of quota-1.33 and acct-1.1.18
  - Sendmail 8.7.3/8.6.9
  - Pine 3.91

User quotas work extremely well, both soft and hard limits.
My question is, (how) does Sendmail support user quotas.  When I
have tried to stress out the quotas on the mail partition, by slamming a
inbox, Sendmail appears to continue to deliver to a over-the-quota user.

Is there a setting in the sendmail.cf for quotas?  If so I can't find
it.

How have any of you handled when users have a _really_ big inbox?

Having Pine access a 12M inbox (for those that have learned about
attatchments but not FTP :) is not a great situation!

Thank you for any help,

Kenn Herman

p.s.  I have looked in the FAQ, on the Web and here in this newsgroup
for answers, so I am sorry if this has been brought up before...


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From: aiyar@ebv.oncology.wisc.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
Subject: Re: 2 Pop servers
Date: 9 Jun 1996 13:34:09 GMT
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On Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:15:14 -0400, chad simmons <chads@unix.collider.com> wrote:
>I have two pop servers one for unix mail(unix.collider.com) and one for 
>bbs mail(bbs.collider.com) is there a way I can make pine poll both servers?

How about something like the following in your ~/.pinerc ....
incoming-folders=Unix-mail{unix.collider.com/pop3}, BBS-mail{bbs.collider.com/pop3}

Ashok
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From: Bill Alford <billa@fhcrc.org>
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There appears to be a fairly large compatibility problem with pine 3.93
and 3.94 with older mailboxes.  This was seen with the Solaris binary
distribution of both 3.93 and 3.94.
 
When displaying the index in older mailboxes/folders, the messages that
are from the user do not display as "To: <who sent to>" but as "<user's
name>".  Basicly it is not following the default behavior described in 
the help for the index-format configure option.  (index-format=STATUS 
MSGNO DATE FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%))
 
It looks like it is doing:
index-format=STATUS MSGNO DATE FROM(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%)
 
Newer folders seem to display correctly when using the default.
 
I tried explicitly listing the default configuration in index-format, 
but it didn't work.
 
I looked at the mail headers of the different folders and the only
difference that I can see is that the newer messages have the X-Sender
line.
 
Any help and pointers to fixes would be welcome.  We've already had two
people at our site complain about this.  Please email any responses 
directly to me.

Thanks,
	Bill

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From: maddison@connexus.apana.org.au (David S. Maddison)
Subject: My biggest wish for Pine - can this be done?
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 12:41:05 GMT
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This is my situation: I have both a ppp and shell account with my ISP.
I use the PPP account for everything but mail, which I do using pine
on the shell account. The reason I do this is so that I can telnet in
from other locations if I am away from home and still have access to
all my old mail. It is important that I always have my mail collection
available wherever I log in from.

I would also like to keep a complete record of my mail on my PC as
well as on my ISP shell account. Using PC pine could I use this as the
reader I use during my PPP session (at home) and make this so that any
new mail is copied to both the shell and the PC-Pine directory?

This way I'll always have a copy of my mail when at home using
PC-Pine, whether I am logged on or not and I will also have a mail
record for when I am away and have to telnet into the shell.

Regards,

David Maddison




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Why do the makefiles contain the lines

 # LDCC= /usr/bin/cc
 # If you don't have /usr/bin/cc (our Solaris 2.2 doesn't seem to have it,
 # it only has /usr/ucb/cc) then change LDCC to the following line and
 # give that a try.  This is still using the Solaris compiler but
 # leaving out the UCB compatibility includes and libraries.
 LDCC= $(PICODIR)/cc5.sol

the Sun Compiler is _never_ going to be in /usr/bin and normally
resides in

/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc

(people will now disagree)

I'm porting a number of large packages to Solaris 2.4 and pine 3.93/4 is
the first that seems to have a big problem (despite all this it seems to
work....) of "knowing" where things are...


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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Daniel Silen wrote:
> Because of this I have tried to patch the imap-server to use our special
> authentication method, and thereafter respond with the "PREAUTH"-message.
> However this won't work for some reason.

You need to write more code in map_open() in c-client/imap2.c

In the current code, PREAUTH is only believed when you do an rsh
connection, not when you do a TCP connection.  This is changed in some
newer versions of imap-4 toolkit, but the version used by Pine is still an
older one. 

-- Mark --

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, John Davis wrote:
> Oh no, not at all. I think IMAP is great. I just meant that it doesn't do me
> any good when my ISP won't install the server. I have been a long-time Unix
> Pine user, but my ISP is getting rid of shell accounts and won't be
> installing IMAP.

For what it's worth, this sounds like an excellent reason to fire your ISP
and find a new one.  There are so many responsive ISPs out there that
there is no reason to continue to give your money to an unresponsive one.

The usual excuse given by an ISP for having POP but not IMAP is that they
won't want to have disk space taken up by having mail kept on their
machine.  This is yet another reason to fire them; there's no excuse for
this attitude given today's disk prices.

-- Mark --

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:32:28 GMT

In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.960610090611.2226M-100000@rakee> Ravi
Ramakrishnan <ravirk@vas.viewlogic.com> writes:

   Are there application programs to encode and decode files in MIME
   formats?

Try mpack and munpack, available at ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/mpack

Regards,
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Date: 15 Jun 1996 05:14:24 GMT
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Hi there

Is it possible to create a list with "undisclosed recipients" on Pine
3.91? If so, how? 

Please e-mail me

Thank you
Suzanne
aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca


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From: cpmartin@iohk.com (Charles Martin, Hong Kong)
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>Charles Martin, Hong Kong (cpmartin@iohk.com) wrote:
>
>: Or an offline newsreader, like  YARN (Dos) or Eudora (Windows).
>
>Any suggestions where I could find YARN ?

Oh, offhand, I'd say
/usr/local/ftp/pub/yarn/yarn_089.zip

at IOHK. Also, if you'd like to do it in windows,
download winyrn71.zip from the same directory. But you'll
have to get YARN for DOS working first, and that does
take some fiddling. I was happy when I did it, though.
Let me know if you need any scripts once it's
running. I download all my stuff with one command, 
upload it with another.
Cheers.
 
    o--------=| Charles Martin |=--o


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Whenever I use our global addressbook at </u/lby/.global> for the 
first time in a Pine (3.91) session a messages flashes "[Lookup file 
/tmp//a3218266 Doesn't Exit. Creating]."  That number following the "a" 
increases for each sequential Pine session.  I didn't used to get this 
message,  and I don't get it when I access my personal addressbook at 
</u/lby/notjdm/.addressbook>.

The global addressbook does seem to be functioning,  but that message is 
a bit of an irritant, especially when the system is slow.  Can anyone 
offer me any theories as to why this is happening?

--  Jonathan David Makepeace     Monograph Cataloger/Automation Specialist
    LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton  Tel. (504) 388-3331
    Louisiana State University   Fax. (504) 388-6992
    Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300   mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu


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does anyone have binaries for ICL DRS/3000 Svr4 rel 7.x Intel based
It did not help with UnixWare 2.01 binaries. Dynamic link error !!!!
with run time.

Regards / Cale CELIK

e:mail  unixmk@dck.se
Fax: +46-31-918832


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References: <31B4B151.68FC@cvn.com> <Pine.SCO.3.93.2.960605211240.22352C-100000@pulsar.ciint.nl>

In article <Pine.SCO.3.93.2.960605211240.22352C-100000@pulsar.ciint.nl> in
newsgroup comp.mail.pine, Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) wrote: 

: On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Steve Cabito wrote:

: > I grabbed 3.93 (pine-bin.linux) and 
: > couldn't help noticing that it's a 3.8MB executable. 

: it could very well just be a pine
: binary with some debug symbol leftovers. Try to run "strip" on it and see
: if it shrinks. Over here, this will reduce the size of the binary to 1.6Mb. 

I started out with a pine 3.93 binary that was about 3.8M and it stripped
down just as you describe.

Bill

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>> | Does anyone know how we can get Unix, Pine, or Host Presenter to make our 
>> | PC's beep at us when we get new mail?  We'd like to be able to leave a 
>> | Pine session running in the background during the day but be able to hear 
>> | when we have new mail.
>> 

You can forward your mail to yourself and to a program that gives a
bell sound, like a compiled program that contains:   /bin/echo "\a"

yourself@host, |name-of-the-program-with-bell-sound

Have fun,

Herman.


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I'm getting a strange problem I hope somebody can suggest a solution to.
I'm trying to send to a local alias, but Pine refuses to send the message
saying instead:

can't access alias via name service "files" ... (and the rest gets cut off
of my screen)

The alias is in the aliases file (it's a list of recipients) on the local
machine.  Is there something that needs to be done?

-Steve  :)



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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: SUZANNE FORTIN <aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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No; you need a later version.  (3.94 is the latest.)

-teg

On 15 Jun 1996, SUZANNE FORTIN wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> Is it possible to create a list with "undisclosed recipients" on Pine
> 3.91? If so, how? 
> 
> Please e-mail me
> 
> Thank you
> Suzanne
> aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca
> 



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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: "C. Mcfarland" <cmcfarla@u.washington.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Sending email from Netscape to Pine
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Catherine,
As I think you figured out, this problem has nothing to do with Pine, 
but here's a hint that may be useful:  In Netscape when you send a
document, you can click on the "Attach" button, and then you'll have
a chance to click on a button that says something like "convert to plain
text".

-teg

On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, C. Mcfarland wrote:

> 
> My job involves searching for information on the Net using Netscape and
> then giving that info to my boss. I'd like to be able to just email the
> information straight to her but when I've tried what she gets has every
> formatting code showing. This is especially bad when the information is in
> a table format. I don't think graphics translate at all.  I've tried
> saving the information as a file first but when it saves and I open it in,
> say, W4W, all the formatting is there too.
> 
> 	Can anyone tell me how to send formatted information from Netscape
> to Pine email. Also, can I even do it with graphics?
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Catherine McFarland
> Center for Disability Policy and Research
> University of Washington
> 
> 
> 



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On 12 Jun 1996, Patrick J. Murphy wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> If I want to post a question to a newsgroup such as
> alt.psychology.mistake, is it possible to do that using pine?

Do not post anonymously by "forging" mail.  It may very well be
a violation of your site's policies.  There are mechanisms that
have been set up explicitly for what you want to do.  They are
called anonymous remailers.  Take a look at 
  http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/~galactus/remailers/
for information about them.

-jeff
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From: hamjavar@unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: HELP: AIX-4.1.4 and PINE-3.9.4
Date: 15 Jun 1996 13:50:43 -0600
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AIX-4.1.4
PINE-3.9.4

Hello,

Compiling 3.94 on aix4.1 (build a41) produces
tons of errors and finally hangs and never finishes!
(using a32 is not any better,  it also hangs and generates a lot of errors).


I sent the "script" capture to "pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu"
but I got a automated message back!

Can someone from pine development group gets back to me ...

Thanks,
Farid Hamjavar
hamjavar@unm.edu



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From: Clem.Kumah@ucsalf.ac.uk (Clem.Kumah)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Can anyone tell me where I get the latest version of pine for Windows
NT.





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In article <4pnb05$irg@clarknet.clark.net>, rosemann@clark.net (Curt Rosemann) writes:
> Is anyone using PC Pine with Trumpet on a Lan?  Pine always says it cannot
> find host.
> 

Do you have a recent version of Trumpet?  I found that PC-Pine 3.91 
failed to send messages until we found a newer version (2.1b, I think).


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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 tranhu@JSP.UMontreal.CA wrote:

> | Does anyone know how we can get Unix, Pine, or Host Presenter to make our 
> | PC's beep at us when we get new mail?  We'd like to be able to leave a 
> | Pine session running in the background during the day but be able to hear 
> | when we have new mail.
> 
> You could use the "newmail" or "wnewmail" program that comes with almost 
> every UNIX flavors... (I guest)  You wouldn't exactly be in PINE but pine 
> could still stay in background. Another way would be using "screen" 
> without taking out the bell.

We discovered that we can enable a bell in Host Presenter under 
Setup/Emulator/Communications.

Thank you.

--  Jonathan David Makepeace     Monograph Cataloger/Automation Specialist
    LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton  Tel. (504) 388-3331
    Louisiana State University   Fax. (504) 388-6992
    Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300   mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu


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Subject: sending a null message
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If there is a FAQ on this please point me in the right direction.  I was
wondering if there is a way that you can send a null message.  I wnat to
test my addresses in my addressa book to make sure that they will send out
and will not have an error in the domain name or the like.  I don't want
these people to receive messages that keep saying this is a test and the
like.

Thanks!

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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I am rather new to Unix, Pine admin but not new to email admin. Could 
someone point me in the direction of address book from passd file admin 
scripts to keep my address book up to date?
Also anything else that might make it easier to admin a several hundred 
acct pine mail system.
Thanks


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Subject: Importing Linux Pine to PC Pine
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 08:46:05 GMT
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I can successfully transfer my mail files from my Linus box to Pc, but
which file do I have to get that indicates whether the email has been
answered, read etc.?

David Maddison



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From: Primoz Peterlin <primoz.peterlin@biofiz.mf.uni-lj.si>
Subject: How is "charset" in Content-Type determined?
Date: 7 Jun 1996 09:07:10 GMT
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Hello everybody --

Can someone please confirm me in the following problem...  If I receive an
email with MIME line "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII" in its
header, and reply to it in an 8-bit character set (ISO Latin 2 in my case), the
outcoming message should be tagged with "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;
CHARSET=ISO-8859-2", not US-ASCII.  Correct?

My version of Pine (an admittedly ancient version, though -- 3.89) doesn't do
it -- it simply copies the Content-Type line from the message I reply to,
irrespective  of "character-set" line in my ~/.pinerc.  If you can assure me
that this bug has been fixed in the later versions, this might be a good reason
for upgrading Pine... :-)

Best regards, Primoz

--
Primoz Peterlin (peterlin@biofiz.mf.uni-lj.si) Fax:+386-61-131-5127
Institut za biofiziko MF, Lipiceva 2, SLO-1105 Ljubljana, Slovenija
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Subject: Remote mailbox problem with 3.91
Date: 16 Jun 1996 14:50:42 GMT
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I have a problem with pine (Slackware Linux) using a remote mailbox.
The inbox-path in .pinerc is set to {194.157.2.114}INBOX. Pine tries
to connect ok, but returns this: 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
connection refused.' At no point does pine ask for my username and
password on the remote system.

What could be wrong? Is there a way to tell the username an passwd
to pine beforehand? What about that port 143, perhaps that's wrong?

My pine version is 3.91.

BTW: Netscape Mail uses the same mailbox ok.

--
Harri Mäkinen


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Subject: signature files

===========================================================================
Packet: SVIS
Date: 06-12-96 (20:56)             Number: 7894
From: jbusse01@fiu.edu                                             Refer#: NONE
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J>Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960612215008.15876A-100000@solix>
J>Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
J>Organization: Florida International University

J>Hello!  I would like to have two signature files to choose from.  How do I
J>go about making them and then retrieving them into my messages?

        Use Ctrl-K to delete the current sig lines and use Ctrl-R to
read in the text of the alternate sigfile.
---
 þ QMPro 1.53 þ Nurse!  NURSE!  Jim's out of his room again!


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Subject: Re: multiple signtures
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:11:57 -0400
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If you are trying to randomize your sig, how about writing a crontab file
to keep saving your various sigs as signature.  It could do this once per
day or as often as you want.  Then pine will always load signature, but it
will be different each time.

Ray Sola

ray.sola@nyu.edu
New York University, Stern School of Business, Marketing Department
____________________________________________________________________
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Christian Reinsfelt wrote:

> > My way around this is to have the signature feature turned off.  Then I
> > use ^R to insert the appropriate sig file for the letter at hand.  Keep the
> > titles short so you can type them in quickly.  
> 
> Well, i've been doing exactly the same thing, but it's much better if the 
> sigs are being inserted automatically.. :)
> 
> Christian
> 



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From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Filters
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:14:03 -0400
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Carolann Mercer wrote:

> Hi can I set Pine to filter out unwanted messages...I have the senders 
> name but don't know how to block, can anyone help?
> Thanks 
> C-Ann

    This question comes up on this newsgroup probably at least once a
week.  It really ought to be made clearer in the Pine documentation.

    To answer the question: Pine will not filter messages for you. 
It has no capability to do so.  You have to use some program or
process to filter the mail before Pine gets hold of it.  Under Un*x,
procmail and (Elm) filter are two widely used programs.

    If you have a World Wide Web browser, browse my home page, follow
the link to Pine and mail filtering, and follow the next link to
Nancy McGough's WWW pages.  She has a lot of useful information on mail
filetering.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Date: 15 Jun 1996 09:29:07 GMT
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I'm using pine 3.93 and saw that I could access multiple news servers
by setting up separte folder for each server.

This is very nice, except that I can't seem to figure out how to
have separate .newsrc files for each news server (they all have
different newsgroups, so they can't share the same .newsrc).

How would I make it possible to have different .newsrc files
for different news servers?


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I have a short question for whoever it may concern:

When I post a mail to a newsgroup my real name doesn't show up, instead
it says "To: <newsgroup name>".

How do I change this?? It doesn't look nice at all.

I already asked my local provider but they didn't know.

MS





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Greetings!
	I have been trying to find out if it is possible to send an
attachment using pine from the comand line.

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I'm using the OS/2 port of PC-Pine 3.92 as my mailer, and wonder if that's
the most current OS/2 port, or if there's a port of 3.93?


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Christian Reinsfelt (solus@solus.com) wrote:
: I want to use more than just the .signature file as signature.  Is it 
: possible to make pine pick randomly amongst signature files? and if so, 
: how do i configure it to do that?

I have a few different sigs all come up together.  Then delete those not 
wanted.

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I have experienced 2 problems with pc-pine 3.94  which I don't know if I'm the 
only one who have seen:

1. Character set problem
-------------------------------------

We have pine set to ISO-8859-1 character set.

The problem is that pine3.94 forgets it's set to that characterset after a new 
message has been Composed. After a message has been Composed pine begins to 
display the HEX numbers for the non US characters instead of the characters.


2. addr-book problem
-------------------------------

When the first Compose is made after pine has been started then, when the 
first nickname is entered, it comes up and displays the message:

<xxxx>.lu isn't valid, rebuilding....

even though it just rebuild the under the first Compose the last time it was 
started.


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On 11 Jun 1996 playhaus@news.gate.net wrote:

> Date: 11 Jun 1996 22:11:12 GMT
> From: playhaus@news.gate.net
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Pine and OS/2
>
> I'm using the OS/2 port of Pine 3.92.  How do I configure my mail server, which is pop.gate.net?  I get an error message everytime the program starts.  It won't connect to my mail server.
>

What is your current configuration?  I had the same problem when I first
set it up, but I found that mine was caused by including my full email
address as my username, when all I needed was my login name.  Other than
that, if you have your nameserver set up properly in your dialer, and
you've got your mail server entered properly, it should work fine. Can you
give more details?

Anpwhotep

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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Every address book file has an associated "lookup" file designed to speed
up access to entries in the address book.  These lookup files typically
have the same name as the address book file proper, but with the string
".lu" appended to it.

If Pine spots that the lookup file is missing, or is not stored in the
correct format, it tries to create/update it.  If it can't do this
(perhaps because you don't have sufficient access privileges) it instead
creates a temporary lookup file in /tmp that is uses just for the current
session and warns you as it does so.  The name of this temporary file is
derived, as is common practice, from the process id in an attempt to
ensure it is unique (hence the changing number wach time).

Your solution is for you (or whoever has root privileges) to create/update
the lookup file associated with your global address book file.  This is
done very simply by:

	<cd to the directory containing the global addressbook>
	pine -create_lu addrbookname sortorder
	<check ownership of address book and look up files>
	chmod a+r addrbookname.lu

where "addrbookname" is the name of the global address book file, and
"sortorder" is one of a small number of keywords describing how the
address book's contents is to be ordered.  (See the man page for Pine to
find out what options are available.)

Note the steps to check ownership and, in particular, mode (protection) of
the lookup file.  Pine 3.93 onwards are better at preserving these when
upgrading a lookup file, but don't know what they should be set to when
creating it.

Also note that the address book lookup file format changed between Pine
3.91 and the current 3.94, so you will definitely need to do the above
when you eventually upgrade versions of Pine (highly recommended).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Jonathan David Makepeace wrote:

> Whenever I use our global addressbook at </u/lby/.global> for the 
> first time in a Pine (3.91) session a messages flashes "[Lookup file 
> /tmp//a3218266 Doesn't Exit. Creating]."  That number following the "a" 
> increases for each sequential Pine session.  I didn't used to get this 
> message,  and I don't get it when I access my personal addressbook at 
> </u/lby/notjdm/.addressbook>.
> 
> The global addressbook does seem to be functioning,  but that message is 
> a bit of an irritant, especially when the system is slow.  Can anyone 
> offer me any theories as to why this is happening?
> 
> --  Jonathan David Makepeace     Monograph Cataloger/Automation Specialist
>     LSU Libraries, 30 Middleton  Tel. (504) 388-3331
>     Louisiana State University   Fax. (504) 388-6992
>     Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3300   mailto:notjdm@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Richard Derr <rhd@xnet.com>
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According to the help text available on the Index screen...

----------
NEXT NEW (TAB) COMMAND

When you press the TAB key, Pine advances to the next "interesting"
message.  When you are using Pine to read email, that message is the next
message in the folder which you have not read before, or that you have
previously flagged as Important.  When reading news folders, the next
"interesting" message is the next one that you have not yet deleted.
----------

HOWEVER I seem to recall that "interesting" has a subtley different
meaning for non-INBOX folders...

In particular it means something along the lines of "the first 'New'
message that has arrived after the last time you looked in this folder.
(Presumably on the assumption that when you looked in the folder
previously and decided not to read some of the then-'New' messages you
still don't want to read them, but are more interested in the message(s)
just arrived.

Personally I find the behaviour of TAB in such screens a bit
counter-intuitive and not terribly well documented.

Would anyone on the Pine Team care to give a more definitive definition of
TAB's actions?  (I remember we've been over this ground some time back,
but the exact details elude me.)  And perhaps reword the help text at some
point?

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 14 Jun 1996, Richard Derr wrote:

>    I have several folders, all on a remote system, which recieve new
> mail.  My understanding is that I may press tab to go to the next new
> message in any folder while on an index listing.  This works as
> expected if I'm at the index listing for my main inbox, but I get 'no
> new messages in folder' if I'm on the index for a different incoming
> folder.
> 
>    I'm using Pine 3.94 on a fairly modern Linux system for the client,
> and the imapd (patched to support shadow passwords -- why isn't this
> included?) from the same distribution on a somewhat older Linux system
> for the server.
> 
>    Be nice, I'm pretty new to Pine -- couldn't stand it before 3.92.
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: SUZANNE FORTIN <aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca>
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Subject: Re: Undisclosed recipients
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Ummmm....  Depending on what is meant by "undisclosed recipients" I
thought that even with Pine 3.91 it was possible to:

1.  Start composing your message.
2.  Put cursor on a header line and type ^R to see all the headers.
3.  Fill in your own e-mail address in the "To:" field.
4.  List the real recipients in the "Bcc:" field.
5.  Finish off the message and send it.

Terry's answer is correct in that with Pine 3.91 the "To:" field isn't
_automatically_ set to "undisclosed recipients" but the above method,
where you set it manually, should work OK.

Note that you can probably improve things even further by changing Step 3
to:

3.  Fill in the "To:" fields with the string "undisclosed recipients:;"
    (Be sure to include the ":;" -- this is some trickery to get the mail
    system to accept the field's value as a valid-but-non-existant e-mail
    address.)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:

> No; you need a later version.  (3.94 is the latest.)
> 
> -teg
> 
> On 15 Jun 1996, SUZANNE FORTIN wrote:
> 
> > Hi there
> > 
> > Is it possible to create a list with "undisclosed recipients" on Pine
> > 3.91? If so, how? 
> > 
> > Please e-mail me
> > 
> > Thank you
> > Suzanne
> > aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca
> > 
> 



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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Eigil Krogh Sorenen wrote:

> I have experienced 2 problems with pc-pine 3.94  which I don't know if I'm the 
> only one who have seen:
> 
> 2. addr-book problem
> -------------------------------
> 
> When the first Compose is made after pine has been started then, when the 
> first nickname is entered, it comes up and displays the message:
> 
> <xxxx>.lu isn't valid, rebuilding....
> 
> even though it just rebuild the under the first Compose the last time it was 
> started.

Somebody else just asked this question; see my answer (just sent out to
the list a few minutes ago so it should be winging its way around the
place soon!).  The Subject line was:

	Lookup File /tmp//a3218266 Doesn't Exist. Creating

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Frank Bobbit <mkleeyow@interlog.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Can I send an attachment from the command line using Pine?
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Not as of Pine 3.93.

(I haven't yet upgraded to 3.94 so can't say for certain about that
version, but I sincerely doubt it as 3.94 is mainly a "fix a few bugs"
release.)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Frank Bobbit wrote:

> Greetings!
> 	I have been trying to find out if it is possible to send an
> attachment using pine from the comand line.
> 
> Regards
> Kin
> mkleeyow@interlog.com
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Harri Mdkinen <harri@svt.fi>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Remote mailbox problem with 3.91
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Your current configuration for "inbox-path" tells Pine:

	1.  That the folder name is "INBOX".
	2.  It is to be found on host 194.157.2.114
	3.  (implicit) The IMAP protocol is to be used to access the
	    folder.

IMAP is the Internet Message Access Protocol (sic) that has been designed
to allow remote access to and manipulation of message folders (both mail
and Usenet News).

In order to work you need an IMAP client program (in this case Pine), and
an IMAP server (or imapd) running on the host computer.  The two then
communicate with each other via a link established, as standard, on port
143.

Your "Can't connect to my.server" message is Pine's way of saying that it
tried to connect to an IMAP server on port 143 of the specified host but
couldn't.  (It doesn't want a username or password yet; it MAY want these
only after it has connected and then tries to authenticate.)

This implies that the computer 194.157.2.114 isn't actually running the
IMAP server software (either because it has never been installed/set up,
ort because there is some configuration problem).

As always in these cases you will need to talk to the systems
administrator of that computer, rather than a bunch of people like us
around the world.  Ask them if the run an IMAP server.  If they say "Yes"
then check you have the machine and port number details correct.  If they
are then you should inform the administrator that there seems to be a
problem with the IMAP server's setup as it isn't working.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 16 Jun 1996, Harri Mdkinen wrote:

> I have a problem with pine (Slackware Linux) using a remote mailbox.
> The inbox-path in .pinerc is set to {194.157.2.114}INBOX. Pine tries
> to connect ok, but returns this: 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
> connection refused.' At no point does pine ask for my username and
> password on the remote system.
> 
> What could be wrong? Is there a way to tell the username an passwd
> to pine beforehand? What about that port 143, perhaps that's wrong?
> 
> My pine version is 3.91.
> 
> BTW: Netscape Mail uses the same mailbox ok.
> 
> --
> Harri Mdkinen
> 



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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----


An update of mkpgp is imminent.  Unfortunately, I wiped out the auto-update
list the last time I sent it out.  If you want the update of mkpgp, send
blank e-mail
                To: slutsky@lipschitz.sfasu.edu
with
                Subject: addtomkpgplist


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From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= {Vladimir Solnicky} <vs@utia.cas.cz>
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On 7 Jun 1996, Primoz Peterlin wrote:

> Can someone please confirm me in the following problem...  If I receive=
 an
> email with MIME line "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII" in =
its
> header, and reply to it in an 8-bit character set (ISO Latin 2 in my ca=
se), the
> outcoming message should be tagged with "Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN;
> CHARSET=3DISO-8859-2", not US-ASCII.  Correct?

I think not. At least versions 3.91-3.93 use Character set from your
.pinerc only if the message being sent out contains at least one characte=
r
with code > 127. This `optimalization' is done for two reasons:

1) If there is no char > 127, then US-ASCII label is true (and more
appropriate).

2) There is no reason to tag message containing no 8bit characters as
ISO-8859-2 making all recepients start apecial programs in case there are
no in the area using the mentioned character set.

By the way, your (?) WWW pages about ISO Latin 2 support are very nice.

Regards, V. S.

Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD, =DATIA AV =C8R, Pod vod=E1renskou v=EC=BE=ED 4,
182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
vs@utia.cas.cz, http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-cz.html



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Does anyone know how to turn off the "auto line wrap" feature in pico? The
configuration only allows set the wrap margin at a max of "80" characters.

Thanks in advance.

David
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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A quick check of the man page for Pico reveals the command line option...

	-w   Disable word wrap (thus allow editing of long lines).

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 11 Jun 1996, David Phan wrote:

> Does anyone know how to turn off the "auto line wrap" feature in pico? The
> configuration only allows set the wrap margin at a max of "80" characters.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David
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I looked at your Internet site and did not see anything about printing
the inbox list (see message below).  Can you help me?  Thanks.
 



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:27:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>
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Subject: Help Using Pine


I would like to print the list of messages I have in my inbox.  I know how
to print the messages, but I want to print the list of messages and cannot
seem to do that.  Is there a way to print the list?  Thanks.

Amanda Shields







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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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You didn't say which version of Pine is being used! :-(

If it is Pine 3.91 or earlier...
... you can't.

If it is Pine 3.92 or later...
... go to the Folder Index screen and type "Y".  You'll then be offered
the choice of printing the index or the current message.

The current version of Pine is 3.94.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Amanda D Shields wrote:

> I looked at your Internet site and did not see anything about printing
> the inbox list (see message below).  Can you help me?  Thanks.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:27:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>
> To: pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu
> Cc: ashields@Census.GOV
> Subject: Help Using Pine
> 
> 
> I would like to print the list of messages I have in my inbox.  I know how
> to print the messages, but I want to print the list of messages and cannot
> seem to do that.  Is there a way to print the list?  Thanks.
> 
> Amanda Shields
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:05:36 -0400
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On 17 Jun 1996, Jay Respler wrote:

> When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
> I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?
> Thanks.
> Jay.

    I have not actually done this myself, but have you tried enabling
aggregate commands in your configuration (enabling the semi-colon
command)?  Then, when you open your mailbox, start the aggregate command
with ;, enter A to affect All messages, another A to Apply a command,
and then try S to Save all of them into some other folder (and at the
same time deleting them from the INBOX).  As I say, I haven't done it,
but it may be worth a try.  (Remember that you have to enable aggregate
commands in your configuration.)

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:50:16 -0400
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Neil Marsh wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Carolann Mercer wrote:
> >
> >> Hi can I set Pine to filter out unwanted messages...I have the senders 
> >> name but don't know how to block, can anyone help?
> >
> >    To answer the question: Pine will not filter messages for you. 
> 
> Then what is the whole section about filtering and filtering tokens
> for in the help file for 'display-filters' in Setup Configuration?
> Is that what you should be entering in the procmail or elm programs?
> If so, the help file is VERY much in need of revising.

    With the newest versions of Pine, a terminological confusion has
come into play.  Prior to Pine 3.93, when people talked about
"filters," usually they were referring to mail filters in a generic
sense which had nothing specifically to to with Pine as such but with
email processing in general.  This is probably what people who have
been around even a relatively short time think of concerning the word
"filter" in connection with email.  I did, and that's how I took
Carolann Mercer's inquiry.  (I use procmail quite effectively and
simply have had no reason to go looking for new such capability within
Pine itself.)

    However, Pine 3.93 introduced some kind of "filter" of it's own,
which I have not even had any reason to look at.  I'm not even sure
what it does.  What has happened is that the terminological waters have
gotten muddied up with Pine 3.93's use of "filter" when commonly, up to
that point and outside Pine's own, narrow world, "filter" had its own
(possibly different) meaning.  If Pine 3.93/3.94 can in fact "filter"
mail in the non-Pine sense, then I stand corrected and encourage those
more knowledgeable about the new capability to enlighten us.

    Terry Gray, are you there?

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: SUZANNE FORTIN <aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca>,
        Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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Suzanne,
Mike is absolutely correct (as usual)!  I was indeed thinking of the
*automatic* handling of Undisclosed recipients...

-teg

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Ummmm....  Depending on what is meant by "undisclosed recipients" I
> thought that even with Pine 3.91 it was possible to:
> 
> 1.  Start composing your message.
> 2.  Put cursor on a header line and type ^R to see all the headers.
> 3.  Fill in your own e-mail address in the "To:" field.
> 4.  List the real recipients in the "Bcc:" field.
> 5.  Finish off the message and send it.
> 
> Terry's answer is correct in that with Pine 3.91 the "To:" field isn't
> _automatically_ set to "undisclosed recipients" but the above method,
> where you set it manually, should work OK.
> 
> Note that you can probably improve things even further by changing Step 3
> to:
> 
> 3.  Fill in the "To:" fields with the string "undisclosed recipients:;"
>     (Be sure to include the ":;" -- this is some trickery to get the mail
>     system to accept the field's value as a valid-but-non-existant e-mail
>     address.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:
> 
> > No; you need a later version.  (3.94 is the latest.)
> > 
> > -teg
> > 
> > On 15 Jun 1996, SUZANNE FORTIN wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi there
> > > 
> > > Is it possible to create a list with "undisclosed recipients" on Pine
> > > 3.91? If so, how? 
> > > 
> > > Please e-mail me
> > > 
> > > Thank you
> > > Suzanne
> > > aaa227@agora.ulaval.ca
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 



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From: rosemann@clark.net (Curt Rosemann)
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Date: 17 Jun 1996 16:02:16 GMT
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Mike McCarthy, Marshall U. Sch. of Med. (mccarthy@marshall.edu) wrote:
: In article <4pnb05$irg@clarknet.clark.net>, rosemann@clark.net (Curt Rosemann) writes:
: > Is anyone using PC Pine with Trumpet on a Lan?  Pine always says it cannot
: > find host.
: > 
: 
: Do you have a recent version of Trumpet?  I found that PC-Pine 3.91 
: failed to send messages until we found a newer version (2.1b, I think).
: 
: 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Mike McCarthy, Asst. Professor/Chair	mccarthy@marshall.edu
: Department of Academic Computing	http://webpages.marshall.edu/~mccarthy/
: Marshall Univ. School of Medicine	Phone: 304/696-6372
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: 
Yes I am using 2.1f, and it made no difference when I changed from
2.0b.  

I am running Lantastic 5 with packet drivers for DOS (the DOS version of
PINE does work) and then run winpkt and Trumpet. 


Curt Rosemann


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Subject: Re: Filters
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Paul,
Pine's use of the term filter follows from Unix filters, circa 1969,
so that usage long predates the term as applied to procmail-like
"mail filtering"...

But you are entirely correct: Pine still does not do "mail filtering" in
the sense of separating incoming messages into different folders.  We view
this as best done at the time the message is delivered, rather than when
the Mail User Agent (e.g. Pine) is invoked.  So procmail and similar
programs are still the recommended solution for this need.

Pine's filters are for special processing of a message at the point it is
displayed or sent.  Examples might include character set manipulation or
encryption/decryption.

-teg

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Neil Marsh wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
> > >
> > >On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Carolann Mercer wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi can I set Pine to filter out unwanted messages...I have the senders 
> > >> name but don't know how to block, can anyone help?
> > >
> > >    To answer the question: Pine will not filter messages for you. 
> > 
> > Then what is the whole section about filtering and filtering tokens
> > for in the help file for 'display-filters' in Setup Configuration?
> > Is that what you should be entering in the procmail or elm programs?
> > If so, the help file is VERY much in need of revising.
> 
>     With the newest versions of Pine, a terminological confusion has
> come into play.  Prior to Pine 3.93, when people talked about
> "filters," usually they were referring to mail filters in a generic
> sense which had nothing specifically to to with Pine as such but with
> email processing in general.  This is probably what people who have
> been around even a relatively short time think of concerning the word
> "filter" in connection with email.  I did, and that's how I took
> Carolann Mercer's inquiry.  (I use procmail quite effectively and
> simply have had no reason to go looking for new such capability within
> Pine itself.)
> 
>     However, Pine 3.93 introduced some kind of "filter" of it's own,
> which I have not even had any reason to look at.  I'm not even sure
> what it does.  What has happened is that the terminological waters have
> gotten muddied up with Pine 3.93's use of "filter" when commonly, up to
> that point and outside Pine's own, narrow world, "filter" had its own
> (possibly different) meaning.  If Pine 3.93/3.94 can in fact "filter"
> mail in the non-Pine sense, then I stand corrected and encourage those
> more knowledgeable about the new capability to enlighten us.
> 
>     Terry Gray, are you there?
> 
> Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
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> 
> 



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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Ravi Krishna wrote:

> I have two customized headers --- Reply-To: and Return-Receipt-To:.
> When I type an addressbook nickname in the Reply-To field, Pine (3.94)
> expands it.  But this expansion doesn't occur for the
> Return-Receipt-To field.
> 
> How does Pine decide which customized headers qualify for addressbook
> lookups?

The headers From, Reply-To, To, cc, bcc, and Lcc are the only ones looked
up.
 
> (BTW, the above behaviour is what I want.  The previous version of
> Pine expanded Return-Receipt-To also, which caused problems.)

The previous version tried to be smart and also expand the non-standard
return-receipt-to header.  Now that is just treated like text.
 
> --  Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>, Fri Jun 14 01:17:06 GMT 1996

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Marcel Vehof wrote:

> Do Elm or Pine have a confirm reading option, like
> Pegasus Mail?

    This is the Pine newsgroup, and I cannot speak about Elm.  Do you
mean, is there a way to get some confirmation back that the recipient
has actually opened and read the mail?  No.  There are no Internet-
wide standards for this sort of thing.  Some proprietary mail systems
(may like Pegasus Mail? which I am unfamiliar with) may do it, but that
works only among users hooked together and using that same proprietary
mail system.  Internet-wide you're out of luck.  Sorry.

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I wold like to know the details about the financial instition i.e. Loan 
policy of FED. How can I find more information?  Please let me lmow

Thanks/  Whitey


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From: Harri Mdkinen <harri@zone.great.fi>
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I get this weird 'Bug in Pine' when I try to connect to my POP3 server.
Pine (3.91, Linux) asks for my username and for my password, and then
stops and gives that message.

What is this? Can something be done? (Don't say I should upgrade; I
can't until there's a newer Pine in Slackware. I'm not a unix guru,
as you've probably guessed ;-)

--
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Subject: disable "request secrets of pine"? How?
To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Word-Of-The-Day: bestselling
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We have pine handouts for our users and would prefer not to have 5000 new
freshmen request the email'd handout however well intended it is from u of
washington. Is there a config setting to disable this?



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Since we upgraded our machines from Solaris 2.4 to 2.5, we've seen
very problems with Pine.  If a user leaves Pine open for a little
while (somewhere between 10 minutes and 4 hours), they will receive an
error message saying:

	[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

This has only happened since we went to 2.5 and it occurs in all of
the following versions of pine:  3.91, 3.92, 3.93 and 3.94.

There is another message users get every once in a while that
resembles:

	Unable to find newline at XXX in XXX bytes.

Both of these problems appear to be problems in handling tenex format
mail files.  In fact, users that do not use the tenex format have not
had any of these problems.  I have a strong hunch that Pine's tenex
format handling routines and NFS version 3 don't exactly get along
very well.  The only major change I can see that we made when moving
from Solaris 2.4 to Solaris 2.5 was the change in the version of NFS
we use.  Has anyone else seen either of these problems?

Sean

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sean Harp                            URL: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~harp
UNIX Systems Programmer                                  email: sharp@utk.edu
Computing & Administrative Systems
Phone: (423) 974-0637

        University of Tennessee, Computing and Administrative Systems
              200 Stokely Management Center, Knoxville, TN 37996
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Sean Harp                            URL: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~harp
UNIX Systems Programmer                                  email: sharp@utk.edu
Computing & Administrative Systems
Phone: (423) 974-0637

        University of Tennessee, Computing and Administrative Systems
              200 Stokely Management Center, Knoxville, TN 37996
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From: Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
To: Dan Roy <droy@terra.igcom.net>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: will the mail checking ever stop
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Dan Roy wrote:

> Anyway the help says that if you set mail checking to 0 it wil nto keep
> telling you every time you have new mail!  This is really a problem since
> it interupts the message your reading with new from so and so regarding
> such and such.  also, if I am writing a message, pause, and a new message
> comes in, I notice that some of the text from the new message is on the
> screen and what I have previously written isn't viewable,  Anyway setting
> the interval to 0 isn't working it is still beeping and chattering away
> about new messages constantly, can anyone help?

If the mail check interval is set to zero, the manual methods of checking
for new mail still work.  In particular, a Next Message command (n or
control n or down arrow) will cause a new mail check if you are at the
last message of a folder.  Also, control L will cause a new mail check. 
Could that be what is happening?  Thanks.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle





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From: Dan Roy <droy@igcom.net>
To: Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
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Subject: Re: will the mail checking ever stopSteve, no, I am sorry, I found , out what the cause of my problem was and fortunately, it was not , related to pine at all.  My ISP is using a program called BIF and by default it was activated, I went in to my .profile with pico and set , it to N and the problem seems to have disappeared.  yes, it  would , certainly make cents for pine to check for new mail when it reaches the end of the existing folder, but that wasn't the problem.  Thanks , to a user on the pine newgroup, I have resolved the problem, thanks , for your response, I know you get a lot of e-mail there, I really , appreciate you taking the time to respond!
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From: jeremy@hiway1.exit109.com (Jeremy)
Subject: Re: Cancel e-mail?
Date: 16 Jun 1996 18:42:27 -0400
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abe0084@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca (Adam Vardy) wrote:
> 
> Is it possible for me to cancel an e-mail message once I've sent it?
> 
> I am just wondering.  Sometimes when you send a message, you get a 
> message back sometime later indicating that there was trouble delivering 
> the e-mail.  It says that it was unable to deliver in the last four 
> hours, but it would keep trying.
> 
> What if it happened that you decided you did not want that e-mail message 
> to get through anyway?  You changed your mind.  Can you stop Pine from 
> trying to deliver the message?

By that point, it's out of Pine's hands.

-- 
Jeremy
jeremy@exit109.com



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Jay Respler (jrespler@nj5.injersey.com) wrote:
: When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
: I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?

You could try to go to the dir /var/spool/mail and then copy the file
named jrespler.  If you copy it into the directory where your other mail
files are, then you should be able to pull it up as you would any other of
your mail folders.  You could then delete the original inbox (i.e. 
jrespler) from /var/spool/mail. (And then start from scratch with no
messages in your inbox....)

At least I know this has worked for me in my account. 

However, I was trying to do the same thing for someone else in an account 
with a different provider, and could not find the file for that account's 
inbox.  Are there other likely places to look besides /var/spool/mail for 
one's inbox?   

--Kathy@fred.net http://www.fred.net/kathy/



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From: ca@informatik.uni-kiel.de (Claus Assmann)
Subject: Re: confirm reading in elm or pine
Date: 17 Jun 1996 19:05:19 +0200
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References: <4pjj2l$omc@bagan.srce.hr> <1996Jun17.120305.9618@let.rug.nl>

In <1996Jun17.120305.9618@let.rug.nl> s0650870@let.rug.nl (Marcel Vehof) writes:

>Do Elm or Pine have a confirm reading option, like
>Pegasus Mail?

elm doesn't have this. There is ongoing work about a standard for this.
 
Here are two URLs which might be of interest:
http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/html.charters/receipt-charter.html
ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-receipt-mdn-01.txt
Maybe someone implements this in elm or pine when it is an RFC?

Regards,

Claus Assmann
-- 
If it stinks, it's chemistry. If it moves, it's biology.
If it does not work, it's computer science.
		--- Alessandro Forghieri <alf@orion.it>
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e-mail spam can ruin the usefulness of the net  for floks such as myself.
(and I suspect most humans on planet earth as well)

The spammers are now using fake addresses, so that sending them their own
message (copied 50+ times, of course:-)  returns with a message saying
that no such party exists.

Is there a newsgroup for this ?  Is there software to help ?

I think that email spam is something to cut now, before it really ruins
the net.   ("ruin", of course, in my  dictionary definition; you are
welcom to disagree about receiving 20 times more spam than requested
email)




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Dear Sir/Madam,

I don't know whether this is the place to ask this question but I believe 
that you could possibly help me with this.  What do I need to do with my 
setup as a PINE user to get a return note each time the receipient read 
my email? Long time ago when I was using the Mainframe instead of the 
PINE on Unix, I was able to just do that by setting a setup option.  But 
I cannot find the same in PINE.

Also, if I want to send the same message to a group of people and don't 
want to use "Cc:" for fear of offending those who are just on the Cc: 
list, can I create a dedicated address directory for such a group so that 
every time when I send a message to all the group members, I only need to 
input the directory name?

Thank you for your attention.

K. Edwin Lee




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Ravi Ramakrishnan (ravirk@vas.viewlogic.com) wrote:
: 
: Are there application programs to encode and decode files in MIME formats?
metamail

mfG
	Jojo

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Hi my name is Alex Leon , I'm a peruvian student. I'm a law student at 
the Catholic University (Pontificia Universidad catolica del Peru)
My university is user of Red Cientifica Peruana(RCP).
I want to conection in TELNET, but I don't know.
Please send me this information.
Excuse my english, but I don't english very well. Send me your 
information in Spanish.
Thanks Pine-Info 


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The system is telling me I exceeded my disk quota. I only have 3 short
messages saved!





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I'm using Pine 3.91 on UNIX to maintain UseNet newsgroups. It seems to me 
that to clear out a specific newsgroup, I have to delete each item 
individually, with the D command. Is there some way to clear out a 
selected newsgroup in one fell swoop on Pine's main screen? 

Leo


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From: Dr Shilpa Pratap <shilpa@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>
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Dear Friends,

What are the various options available to
upgrade Pine 3.91 to the latest verson 3.94 ?

Are (can) the local servers (be) involved in
the process ?

Thanks in advance.
sincerely,

Dr Shilpa Pratap
Telefax:91-22-8500496 /6324083
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I think I can help you,  I don't know the differences of PC pine to Unix
Pine, but here I go.  In the configuration there is a feature called
enable-aggregate-command-set this feature allows you to use the ";"
(semicolon) to select messages by to:, form:, date, number, all,
etc...then you can use the A command which will 'apply' other commands to
the selected messages (i.e. save, forward, reply, etc...).
Then to have that one folder sort automatically by date:  in the
configuration screen there is a feature that you can set the sort key to
what ever you want, in your case you want it by date :

sort-key               =
            Set       Sort Options
            ---   ----------------------
            ( )  Date               
            (*)  Arrival
            ( )  From
            ( )  Subject
            ( )  OrderedSubj
            ( )  Reverse Date
            ( )  Reverse Arrival
            ( )  Reverse From
            ( )  Reverse Subject
            ( )  Reverse OrderedSubj

Hope this helps!!!


On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, David S. Maddison wrote:

> 
> 
> I have two main folders: The INBOX for received mail and SENTMAIL for
> mail I have sent. There are now about 500 messages in each of these.
> What I would like to do is have all the mail in one folder, sorted by
> date order.
> 
> I can save messages individually to another folder and then Sort them.
> However, messages need to be saved one at a time. Can I "select" all
> messages and save them all at once? Having done that for both folders,
> I will have a larger folder that contains all the messages, but they
> will be added on to each other, not in date order. I can then do a
> sort by date order, but then how can I save the messages *in sorted
> order*? The messages will not be saved in that order and I wish to
> print the folder on to paper for my records so I need a file that is
> already sorted.
> 
> I would like to do this with folders I have pulled off my shell
> account and manipulate locally using PC Pine rather than on the shell
> account. So any differences in this regard between the Unix and PC
> versions of Pine are significant.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Maddison
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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On 17 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:
>
>But you are entirely correct: Pine still does not do "mail
>filtering" in the sense of separating incoming messages into
>different folders.  We view this as best done at the time the
>message is delivered, rather than when the Mail User Agent (e.g.
>Pine) is invoked.  So procmail and similar programs are still the
>recommended solution for this need. 
>
>Pine's filters are for special processing of a message at the point
>it is displayed or sent.  Examples might include character set
>manipulation or encryption/decryption. 

So, does this mean I can't use Pine's filters as a kill file for
reading my newsgroups by having files with the undesired topics
shunted off to the temporary file for deletion after the session is
over?

---
Neil Marsh <drwho@world.std.com>                         Cambridge, MA




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References: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960610090611.2226M-100000@rakee> <RICK.96Jun13123228@helix.nih.gov>

rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) wrote:

>In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.960610090611.2226M-100000@rakee> Ravi
>Ramakrishnan <ravirk@vas.viewlogic.com> writes:

>   Are there application programs to encode and decode files in MIME
>   formats?

>Try mpack and munpack, available at ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/mpack

>Regards,
>--
>Rick Troxel  Rick_Troxel@nih.gov   rick@helix.nih.gov  301/435-2983

Thanks Rick, but after you use mpack, how I can send the encoded file
say via Mail so that Eudora or pine would understand the mail as a
multiple part attachment?



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On 16 Jun 1996, Marcus Sommarmyr wrote:

> I have a short question for whoever it may concern:
> 
> When I post a mail to a newsgroup my real name doesn't show up, instead
> it says "To: <newsgroup name>".
> 
> How do I change this?? It doesn't look nice at all.
> 
> I already asked my local provider but they didn't know.

    I am not 100% certain of the meaning of your question, but I will
make a guess.  Are you saying that when you send a posting to a
newsgroup, "To: <newsgroup name>" appears when you look at the
newsgroup itself, while other postings have the names of the senders? 
If this is what you are seeing, then the answer is that this is the way
Pine works.  It was designed to do this.

    Compare email.  Usually you see whom a message is FROM, but if you
yourself sent the message, you already know whom it is from -- yourself
-- so Pine changes this to "To: <recipient name>".  Pine tries to
handle mail and news similarly, so it does the same thing with news. 
In other words, nothing is broken: this is how Pine was designed to
act.

    However, I think that in the very most recent versions of Pine,
3.93 and 3.94, you can change this behavior, although I do not have the
exact details with me.  Check the documentation for those two
releases.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Subject: Re: Pine and PC-Pine 3.94 now available
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On 12 Jun 1996 22:44:50 -0700, Michael Seibel <mikes@cac.washington.edu> wrote:
[snipped]
>This release should be considerably more stable than previous versions,
>but, as always, you should satisfy yourself that this is the case in your
>particular environment before introducing it (or any release) into a
>production setting.
>
>Pine version 3.94 source is available in:
>
>        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.Z
>and
>        ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz
[snipped]

Any chance of a patch from 3.13 to 3.14, thus saving the large download from
the other side of the world.

tia
 Peter
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Charlie Marval <sfmrnk@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
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Jolly good ... However the thousands of people around the world you have
just sent your query to are unlikely to know the ins and outs of your
system and how it system administrators implement and assign disk quotas.

Try asking your local help desk for assistance... :-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Charlie Marval wrote:

> The system is telling me I exceeded my disk quota. I only have 3 short
> messages saved!
> 
> 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Leo Scanlon <lscanlon@er>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Clearing out newsgroups
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What you say is true: when you have "finished with" a Usenet News article
you should "delete" it from the newsgroup using the "D" command.  (In
practice this means "delete it from the displayed list of articles; it
remains on the news server so that others can still read it.  Indeed you
can see it again yourself by using the "&" (Unexclude) command at a later
time.)

So its is better to use "D" as you read News, when you have finished with
an article.

If you want to perform a "catch-up" and mark all messages in a newsgroup
as read (or just a subset of them) you can do this using Pine's aggregate
commands.  These are three commands for applying a command to a set of
messages, be they in mail or news folders.

0.  Go to the Setup Configuration screen ("S" then "C" from the Main Menu)
    and select the "enable-aggregate-command-set" feature.  This will
    remain in effect, so you won't need to do this step in the future.

1.  Go to the Index screen of the mail folder/newsgroup in question.

2.  Choose a set of the messages by giving the Select (;) command followed
    by an option from the menu.  (Eg, ";A" will select all the messages)

3.  Apply a command to the selected set by giving the Apple (A) command
    followed by a command from the menu.  (Eg, "AD" will apply a delete
    command to the selected messages)

If you used the example commands (";AAD") then you will have marked all
the messages in the folder/newsgroup as deleted.  They will (permanently)
be deleted from a mail folder when it is closed, or hidden from the index
of a newsgroup when you next open the group.  You can force this to happen
without closing and re-opening the folder/newsgroup by giving the
Expunge/Exclude (X) command.

Select (;) and Apply (A) are two of the three aggregate commands.  The
thirs is Zoom (Z) which hides all unselected messages from the Index.  A
subsequent Zoom will redisplay them.  This is handy if you want to
concentrate on a particular set of messages.  For example, if you have a
lot of messages including many from the Pine-Info mailing list you can
concentrate on the latter by...

	;TT pine-info		...Select messages based on the Text To
				   field containing the string "pine-info"

	;BTC pine-info		...Select a Broader set based on the Text
				   CC field containing the string
				   "pine-info"

	Z			...Temporarily hide all unselected
				   messages

	$O			...Sort the messages into Ordered Subject
				   order

	^W^Y			...Go to the first message (then start
				   reading!)

This is actually quite a mouthful, but can become second nature (or be
programmed into a terminal emulator's function key!).  Each morning I use
the somewhat simpler command sequence to read my mail...

	;SN Z $O ^W^Y

(Whose description is left as an exercise to the reader -- I've always 
wanted to say after suffering it in Maths text books! :-) 

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Leo Scanlon wrote:

> I'm using Pine 3.91 on UNIX to maintain UseNet newsgroups. It seems to me 
> that to clear out a specific newsgroup, I have to delete each item 
> individually, with the D command. Is there some way to clear out a 
> selected newsgroup in one fell swoop on Pine's main screen? 
> 
> Leo
> 



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To: Kamlun Edwin LEE <s459912@aix1.uottawa.ca>
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Kamlun Edwin LEE wrote:

> I don't know whether this is the place to ask this question but I believe 
> that you could possibly help me with this.  What do I need to do with my 
> setup as a PINE user to get a return note each time the receipient read 
> my email? Long time ago when I was using the Mainframe instead of the 
> PINE on Unix, I was able to just do that by setting a setup option.  But 
> I cannot find the same in PINE.

There isn't a way for you to FORCE the recipient's mail software to return
an acknowledgement to you upon message receipt and/or reading.  At best
you can include some special headers in the message you send out that
REQUESTS their mail software to do so.

However many mail programs (including Pine) do not recognise or support
these headers in incoming messages, and take no special action when they
receive a message including them.  Other mail software may support the
headers, but have the response action disabled by the individual or system
administrator (perhaps because they view it as an invasion of their
privacy).

[I find it interesting that so many people want/expect such
acknowledements from e-mail they send out, but wouldn't expect such a
facility from letters sent through conventional postal mail!]

> Also, if I want to send the same message to a group of people and don't 
> want to use "Cc:" for fear of offending those who are just on the Cc: 
> list, can I create a dedicated address directory for such a group so that 
> every time when I send a message to all the group members, I only need to 
> input the directory name?

You need to read about "Distribution Lists" in Pine.  These are ways of
listing a number of e-mail addresses under a single nickname; by using the
nickname it expands out to the whole list of recipients.

The best way to use such a distribution list (especially to hide the fact
the you're "only" CC-ing people is:

0.  Use Pine 3.93 or later (3.94 is the current version).
1.  Start composing your message, but leave the "To:" and "Cc:" fields
    empty.
2.  Put the cursor on a header field and type ^R to see the Rich Header
    with all the available possible fields.
3.  Put your distribution list nickname into the "Lcc:" field.
4.  Now type your message into the Message Text area and send.

You can read more about distribution lists in the Address Book screen ("A"
from the Main Menu) by typing "?" there.

More information about "Lcc" is available by putting the cursor on the
"Lcc:" field and typing "^G" (Get Help). 

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Dr Shilpa Pratap <shilpa@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: Pine Information List <pine-info@cac.washington.edu>
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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Dr Shilpa Pratap wrote:

> What are the various options available to
> upgrade Pine 3.91 to the latest verson 3.94 ?

1.  Use anonymous ftp to connect to ftp.cac.washington.edu
2.  cd to the /pine directory
3a. Pull the source code kit
	or
3b. cd to the appropriate binaries subdirectory and pull a pre-compiled
    binary executable
4.  Set up
5.  Use

:-)

> Are (can) the local servers (be) involved in
> the process ?

Ummm... I don't understand what you're asking here (does anyone else?)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, J. Bussell wrote:

> Hello!  I would like to have two signature files to choose from.  How do I
> go about making them and then retrieving them into my messages?

I have two signature files one of which is automatically included when I
compose a message. The other file contains my home address too. Sending
private e-mail, I delete the default signature and then include the
"private" signature by means of the ^R Read File command.
          -  Hans
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Where do I place a global pinerc file for PC Pine (for Win-16), and how do
I call it, on a PC that is used by several persons for e-mail?

          -  Hans

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In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.960617095746.7045D-100000@shell>,
Clint Danbury  <danbury@ssnshirt.com> wrote:
>
>e-mail spam can ruin the usefulness of the net  for floks such as myself.
>(and I suspect most humans on planet earth as well)
>
>The spammers are now using fake addresses, so that sending them their own
>message (copied 50+ times, of course:-)  returns with a message saying
>that no such party exists.

Sometimes that means their account has been closed *grin*, but I guess
it's more often fake. Check the headers of the message you got for other
addresses it may actually have come from.

It is probably more effective to send 1 mail with copy to their postmaster
than 50 just to the spammer. Remember, there are probably thousands of
others doing the same.

>Is there a newsgroup for this ?  Is there software to help ?

For newsgroup spams, at least, there is news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
Emails are discussed there too sometimes.  I am sure there are other fora
for email spams as well - I seem to recall rumors about Web blacklists.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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From: warlock@csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Sendmail and user quotas
Date: 17 Jun 1996 15:03:34 GMT
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In article <31C189A4.7772@wce.wwu.edu>, Kenn Herman <kennh@wce.wwu.edu> wrote:

>  User quotas work extremely well, both soft and hard limits.  My question
>  is, (how) does Sendmail support user quotas.  When I have tried to stress
>  out the quotas on the mail partition, by slamming a inbox, Sendmail
>  appears to continue to deliver to a over-the-quota user. ...

  Normally you wouldn't alter sendmail to handle quotes.  Sendmail doesn't
really deal with users, it uses the local mail delivery program to do that.
If you slapped a quota on sendmail, the effect would be global and not
user specific (and probably only relate to the total queue size).

  Hacking your local mail delivery agent is much easier.  It gets the
data and makes the delivery (or not) and tells sendmail if it succeeded
or failed.  Right now, it is probably trying to deliver the mail as root
(which might be why the quota-check is failing), but you can fix that.

  One person I know hacked it so that senders would get a quota-specific
bounce message if the receiver was over their disk quota.



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To: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
Cc: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>, pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Help Using Pine (fwd)
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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> You didn't say which version of Pine is being used! :-(
> 
> If it is Pine 3.91 or earlier...
> ... you can't.
> 
> If it is Pine 3.92 or later...
> ... go to the Folder Index screen and type "Y".  You'll then be offered
> the choice of printing the index or the current message.

If I go to the Folder screen with L and then type Y, pine3.94  gives me no
choice. Pine says: Print folder list ...
If I go to the mailindex of any folder I can only print one mail.

Cheers,
Gerhard
 
> 
> The current version of Pine is 3.94.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Amanda D Shields wrote:
> 
> > I looked at your Internet site and did not see anything about printing
> > the inbox list (see message below).  Can you help me?  Thanks.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:27:06 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>
> > To: pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu
> > Cc: ashields@Census.GOV
> > Subject: Help Using Pine
> > 
> > 
> > I would like to print the list of messages I have in my inbox.  I know how
> > to print the messages, but I want to print the list of messages and cannot
> > seem to do that.  Is there a way to print the list?  Thanks.
> > 
> > Amanda Shields
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 

___________________________________________________________________________________

Gerhard Heijenga                              eMail: heijenga@teco.uni-karlsruhe.de
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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Cc: Amanda D Shields <ashields@Census.GOV>, pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Ah-ha!

In that case you need to go to the Setup Configuration screen and select
the "print-index-enabled" feature.  (I thought it was on by default, but
had forgotten I had set it on in our systemwide defaults file:-) 

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Gerhard Heijenga wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > You didn't say which version of Pine is being used! :-(
> > 
> > If it is Pine 3.91 or earlier...
> > ... you can't.
> > 
> > If it is Pine 3.92 or later...
> > ... go to the Folder Index screen and type "Y".  You'll then be offered
> > the choice of printing the index or the current message.
> 
> If I go to the Folder screen with L and then type Y, pine3.94  gives me no
> choice. Pine says: Print folder list ...
> If I go to the mailindex of any folder I can only print one mail.
> 
> Cheers,
> Gerhard



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A great big THANK YOU!  It Works!!!

Amanda



On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Ah-ha!
> 
> In that case you need to go to the Setup Configuration screen and select
> the "print-index-enabled" feature.  (I thought it was on by default, but
> had forgotten I had set it on in our systemwide defaults file:-) 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Gerhard Heijenga wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> > 
> > > You didn't say which version of Pine is being used! :-(
> > > 
> > > If it is Pine 3.91 or earlier...
> > > ... you can't.
> > > 
> > > If it is Pine 3.92 or later...
> > > ... go to the Folder Index screen and type "Y".  You'll then be offered
> > > the choice of printing the index or the current message.
> > 
> > If I go to the Folder screen with L and then type Y, pine3.94  gives me no
> > choice. Pine says: Print folder list ...
> > If I go to the mailindex of any folder I can only print one mail.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Gerhard
> 
> 



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Subject: How doe pine actually do mime attachment?
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03:12:43 GMT
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Dear all,

I want to send a number of people pdf files as mime attachments.
Presumably they are all using Eudora.  At the moment I am doing this
by hand from Eudora.  I was wondering whether I could do this from
within a shell script?  I presume pine creat the text to mail and
somehow pipes it to sendmail.  I have download the source
code, I am currently looking at send.c (is that the right place?).

Thank you



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My sentmail option does not retain subject info nor does is retain who I
sent it to (in the index listing). Is there a way to change this?



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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Neil Marsh <drwho@world.std.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Filters
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Correct.  Kill files are not yet supported, and procmail-like tools only
apply to mail, not news.  Sorry...

-teg

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Neil Marsh wrote:

> On 17 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:
> >
> >But you are entirely correct: Pine still does not do "mail
> >filtering" in the sense of separating incoming messages into
> >different folders.  We view this as best done at the time the
> >message is delivered, rather than when the Mail User Agent (e.g.
> >Pine) is invoked.  So procmail and similar programs are still the
> >recommended solution for this need. 
> >
> >Pine's filters are for special processing of a message at the point
> >it is displayed or sent.  Examples might include character set
> >manipulation or encryption/decryption. 
> 
> So, does this mean I can't use Pine's filters as a kill file for
> reading my newsgroups by having files with the undesired topics
> shunted off to the temporary file for deletion after the session is
> over?
> 
> ---
> Neil Marsh <drwho@world.std.com>                         Cambridge, MA
> 
> 
> 



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From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel)
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In-Reply-To: anthony@hknet.com's message of Tue, 18 Jun 1996 03: 18:25 GMT
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:47:07 GMT

In article <4q59m9$bni@ruby.hknet.com> anthony@hknet.com (Anthony Lee)
writes:

   rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) wrote:

   >Try mpack and munpack, available at ftp.andrew.cmu.edu:/pub/mpack

   Thanks Rick, but after you use mpack, how I can send the encoded file
   say via Mail so that Eudora or pine would understand the mail as a
   multiple part attachment?

I can only speak for the Unix version of mpack.  Invoking it with a -o
option creats a file with the MIME headers & separators all set up.  In
fact, this file can then be passed to sendmail, specifying a recipient,
as in

   /usr/lib/sendmail recipient@somewhere.domain < filename

Pine does fine reading a mailed test message formed this way.

Best regards,
--
Rick Troxel  Rick_Troxel@nih.gov   rick@helix.nih.gov  301/435-2983
  http://www.access.digex.net/%7Erobjen/dc-sage/bios/rick_troxel/
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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From: bemfica@militzer.me.tuns.ca (Antonio Bemfica)
Subject: Re: Help - Pine 3.94 broke my keymapping...
Date: 18 Jun 1996 13:48:00 GMT
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Well, I figured how to solve my problem after reading the ISO-8859-X FAQ.
I guess I was lucky that I had the previous version of pine working the
way I wanted without the following on my .cshrc file:


#--- To enable proper handling of ISO characters

tty -s
 if ($status == 0) stty cs8 -istrip -parenb

#---


Antonio
Haalifax, Canada

Antonio Bemfica (bemfica@militzer.me.tuns.ca) wrote:
> I've been using pine for a couple of years for e-mail, and I find it
> excellent.  I run an X-server on a Win95 machine, and had set up
> key-mapping to use accented characters. I had character-set=ISO-8859-1
> set, and was able to read and send my messages with no problems.  Today
> our version of pine was updated, and now when I press the keys that would
> result in accented characters, I don't get them!

> The key-mapping still works for all the other applications, including
> pico, which was also updated (to version 2.8). 

> Does anyone have any idea of what went on there?

> Thanks in advance

> Antonio
> Halifax, Canada


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From: flora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Katie Clark)
Subject: problem replying to usenet message
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:04:46 GMT
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Recently I tried to reply to a message in Usenet, but after going
through all the steps required by PINE to "reply", I got a message
which said, in effect, that my reply was longer than the original
message, and so my reply wouldn't be sent!  When I went back and
shortened the original message to which I was replying, then my reply
went through!  

Is there a way to override this feature?  I suppose it's designed to
conserve bandwidth...and I know we get tired of seening repeats of
mesages, but...!!  Is there a way to turn off the "show message which
is being replied to" in replys, in Usenet, but not in regular e-mail
messages??!!

Thanks!

Katie




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to the pine developers: GREAT job. I love the new version, it is so fast
compared to 3.91. I've deleted > 2000 messages in < 1 second on a
486/66dx2 Linux box.

But...

I get this when I am in pine 3.94, composing mail to someone (like, say
right now :) "No room for file: No such file or directory" at the bottom
of my screen.  I sorted throught the src code, and it looked like that
error wasn't in the pine src tree, but the pico src tree.  The error
appears in os_unix.c:      emlwrite("No room for file: %s", err_str);  

This error seems to appear every few minutes, so I am guessing pico is
trying to save a temporary file somewhere maybe that it isn't allowed.  

I'm not quite sure what to make of this, and haven't seen this error on
pine 3.91 (which is what came with the slackware 3.0.0 linux installation
I am on), or 3.93, just in 3.94.

Any help/suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

-dave


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From: Marc Herbert <herbert@supaero.fr>
Subject: Re: Question about "=" encoding
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:20:03 +0200
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Tony Calguire wrote:
> 
> I know this isn't exactly the right place for this question, but I'm sure
> somebody here can answer it.
> What is it called when the upper-ASCII characters in a message get
> converted into their hex values, preceeded by equal signs (=7F =AB =FF)?
> 

-- 
Marc Herbert
	         Marc.Herbert@supaero.fr   (MIME accepte)

Read for instance :
http://sunsite.auc.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc1521.html


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From: daddy@alumni.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Dave DeBoskey)
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Date: 18 Jun 1996 11:03:44 -0700
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Okay, sometimes people send me Email from the PC, specifically using Eudora.
When I use Pine, on a UNIX system, I can read the mail just fine, but if 
I try to reply to it, the soft-carriage returns go away and I need to 
re-justify the text manually all through the message.  Does anybody know 
how to fix this problem?  Thanks.

Have a nice day.
Dave.


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I need information on how to help a friend of mine; when he brings up an
email letter to read only the bottom half is displayed--if you "previous
page" the logo of our freenet comes up - sorta like the letter is tucked
under the logo.  Also, the menu from "Inbox" is interspersed throughout
the letter being read.

I am writing from my call-sign since it would be impossible to read any
answer he might get from you on his own account.

Thanks.                         Jean Glick

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From: Don Sugarman <sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.lmco.com>
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What is the meaning of 
  ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 has older revision than expected 9 
on starting Pine 3.94.

TIA,

Don Sugarman
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From: Udi Motello <uuddii@eng.tau.ac.il>
Subject: Re: Does Pine support POP3 or not??
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 22:17:40 +0300
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H,

	My users want the POP3.  Whan you work with pine the modem
	hold the line all the session - it's mony.  The other mailer
	works with POP3 load the inbox to local machine and hungup the
	phone-line.  After you finish compose,read,.. it redail automatic
	and sent the messages in one pass.

	With pine you do it manuel: open local folder-colection, select
	and save the inbox.....

B,
 Udi



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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Don Sugarman wrote:

> What is the meaning of 
>   ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 has older revision than expected 9 
> on starting Pine 3.94.

It means you're running an older version of SunOS than that which was used
to compile pine.   You can do any one of a number of things:

	1) Rebuild pine for your current OS revision.
	2) Upgrade your OS
	3) copy the newer /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9 to your system's /usr/lib
	   directory.
	4) Copy libc.so.1.9 into /usr/local/lib and make sure your
	   environment has LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable set such that it
	   includes /usr/local/lib.
	5) Put up with the warning message - it doesn't cause any real
	   problems.

My personal preference is (4)...


	- Mike


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Mike Cote					<mcote@julian.uwo.ca>
Information Technology Services (ITS)
University of Western Ontario		    Phone: (519) 661-2151,  X 6048
London, Ontario Canada



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Hello,

I've been attempting to port Pine (3.94) to the Cray/Unicos platform
(Ugh!)...  I've been successfull so far, with one major exception...
When I attempt to go into the addressbook, it complains about the
addressbook lookup file, and tries to rebuild it (several times, with
several different error messages), then gives up.  Among them:

    [Addrbook has been changed by another process, need to re-sync...]
    [Lookup file .addressbook.lu inconsistent...remove it and restart Pine]

When I look at the .addressbook.lu file I see the following:

P#*E@ 14        100
18446744073709551615 18446744073709551615      480909    88213887        0
18446744073709551615 18446744073709551615     6972158   123621272       36
18446744073709551615 18446744073709551615       28925   123633824       74
18446744073709551615 18446744073709551615       31058   214884217      112
...

In a working .addressbook (from pine 3.93 on Solaris 2.4), the same
.addressbook creates the following .lu file:

P#*E@ 12        100
4294967295 4294967295      480909    88213887          0
4294967295 4294967295     6972158   123621272         36
4294967295 4294967295       28925   123633824         74
4294967295          1       31058   214884217        112
...

Is this at all familiar to anyone???

I've included the .pine-debug file as an attachment.  Thanks in advance
for any pointers.

	- Mike


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Information Technology Services (ITS)
University of Western Ontario		    Phone: (519) 661-2151,  X 6048
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Thanks for the hint...it worked great!

Catherine McFarland
Center for Disability Policy and Research
University of Washington


On 15 Jun 1996, Terry Gray wrote:

> Catherine,
> As I think you figured out, this problem has nothing to do with Pine,
> but here's a hint that may be useful:  In Netscape when you send a
> document, you can click on the "Attach" button, and then you'll have
> a chance to click on a button that says something like "convert to plain
> text".
>
> -teg
>
> On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, C. Mcfarland wrote:
>
> >
> > My job involves searching for information on the Net using Netscape and
> > then giving that info to my boss. I'd like to be able to just email the
> > information straight to her but when I've tried what she gets has every
> > formatting code showing. This is especially bad when the information is in
> > a table format. I don't think graphics translate at all.  I've tried
> > saving the information as a file first but when it saves and I open it in,
> > say, W4W, all the formatting is there too.
> >
> > 	Can anyone tell me how to send formatted information from Netscape
> > to Pine email. Also, can I even do it with graphics?
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > Catherine McFarland
> > Center for Disability Policy and Research
> > University of Washington
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Dear Sir,

Can anyone point me to eliminate this problem.  Normally, PINE will ask
user whether he want to move sent-mail to sent-mail-???-??? or not on
every new month.  If user say no, this message will disappear until next 
month.  

But On my system if user say 'No'  it will ask this same question
everytime he use pine again!!  So this mean If I don't want to move the
folder, I have to answer 'No' everytime I use PINE,  Oh help me please.. 
Any suggestion would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Suwat P.



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Hi,

	If you have this alias in your shell or entry in your .twmrc
	you can use the mouse to cut&paste + select with pine:

alias   xpine   'xterm -name pine -e pine &'


	Now, you need this entry in .Xresource or .Xdef:


pine*VT100.Translations: #override !<Btn2Down>: string(0x0d) \n\
                                   !<Btn3Down>: string(O) \n\
                !Shift <Btn1Down>: select-start() \n\
              !Shift <Btn1Motion>: select-extend() \n\
                  !Shift <Btn2Up>: insert-selection(PRIMARY, CUT_BUFFER0) \n\
                !Shift <Btn3Down>: start-extend() \n\
              !Shift <Btn3Motion>: select-extend() \n\
                                   <BtnUp>:select-end(PRIMARY, CUT_BUFFER0)


	Botton 1 play the pine's select/exec
	Button 2 play like user's "enter"
	Button 3 play like user's "o"
	While you hold the Shift, buttons 1,2,3 will play the X11's cut&past

Bye,
 Udi



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I am haveing the same problem too.  Can you please let me know how to fix 
it if you did find it out?  thank you.



Harri Mäkinen (harri@svt.fi) wrote:
: I have a problem with pine (Slackware Linux) using a remote mailbox.
: The inbox-path in .pinerc is set to {194.157.2.114}INBOX. Pine tries
: to connect ok, but returns this: 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
: connection refused.' At no point does pine ask for my username and
: password on the remote system.

: What could be wrong? Is there a way to tell the username an passwd
: to pine beforehand? What about that port 143, perhaps that's wrong?

: My pine version is 3.91.

: BTW: Netscape Mail uses the same mailbox ok.

: --
: Harri Mäkinen
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A quick guess:  Try taking a look in pine/os.h to see if the typedef for
usign32_t looks correct.  Perhaps an int is 64 bits under Unicos?  You
need a 32-bit integer type there.

Steve Hubert <hubert@cac.washington.edu>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle




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In the setup config menu (at the main menu type S (setup) and C
(configuration)), there is a feature called enable-aggregate-command-key.
If you select this is allows you to use the ; (select) and A (apply)
commands.  What you do is (I hope these messages are in the same folder)
at the message index type ';' to select by number, form, to, etc.. the
type A  (apply) and apply the eXport command and this will export all of
the selected messages to the file you specify.

Hope this helps!

On 7 Jun 1996, Adam Vardy wrote:

> 
> Can somone tell me if there is an easier way to save e-mail messages so I 
> can download them to my computer.  I am just using a regular Unix 
> account, text-based.
> 
> In Pine, I can press E to export 1 message into my directory for later 
> downloading.  But I have to type the filename each time.  It is a lot of 
> work to do that for 10 or 20 messages.  Is there anyway I can save a 
> whole bunch of messages?  Just tag off whichever ones I want to save and 
> use one command to save them all?  Must be some way.
> 
> - Adam
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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Whenever I try to print a file that is more than one page in length, whole
lines, paragraphs, etc. get left out.  I normally press "y" twice in order
to execute the printing.  Any help you can extend is appreciated.\

Thanks in advance.



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Can someone tell me how to display the name of the recipient
of my mail (rather than my name) in the sent-mail folders?

The recent upgrade to Pine 3.91 seems to have changed this
default setting.

Sincerely,

Andrew Lewis



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Andrew,
Do the "From: " header lines in your sent-mail folder
say the same thing as the To: line on this message,
i.e. Andrew Lewis <ajlewis@chaph.usc.edu>
or something different?

And I'm going to assume the upgrade was *from* version 3.91...

-teg

On 19 Jun 1996, Andrew Lewis wrote:

> Can someone tell me how to display the name of the recipient
> of my mail (rather than my name) in the sent-mail folders?
> 
> The recent upgrade to Pine 3.91 seems to have changed this
> default setting.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Andrew Lewis
> 
> 



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From: bemfica@militzer.me.tuns.ca (Antonio Bemfica)
Subject: Help - Pine 3.94 broke my keymapping...
Date: 17 Jun 1996 21:26:44 GMT
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I've been using pine for a couple of years for e-mail, and I find it
excellent.  I run an X-server on a Win95 machine, and had set up
key-mapping to use accented characters. I had character-set=ISO-8859-1
set, and was able to read and send my messages with no problems.  Today
our version of pine was updated, and now when I press the keys that would
result in accented characters, I don't get them!

The key-mapping still works for all the other applications, including
pico, which was also updated (to version 2.8). 

Does anyone have any idea of what went on there?

Thanks in advance

Antonio
Halifax, Canada


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Hi! It's me again. Now that I can send my attachments from Netscape and
have them readable I have a follow-up question.

I send quite a few of these. When my boss replies, though, the original
just shows the Netscape address. In order to know which message she is
replying to I have to go back and look at each one to match the Netscape
address. (At least I've started keeping a copy of all the messages for
myself.)

Is there a way I can view the attachment from within the reply? Also, when
I re-forward those messages to others, all they get is the Netscape
address. Is there a way I can make sure they can view the Netscape
attachment? (I have already tried using the view attach <V> command but it
just shows me the address.)

Thanks......

Catherine McFarland
Center for Disability Policy and Research
University of Washington




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From: brownen@cs.ucdavis.edu (Silver Dragon)
Subject: can I attach files using the uuencode format?
Date: 19 Jun 1996 03:42:34 GMT
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I'm trying to find a way to attach files using the uuencode format instead
of the mime format, can I do this?

--
SD.

Nigel Browne
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From: djoy@cxsoft.convex.com (Daniel P. Joy)
Subject: Re: Does Pine support POP3 or not??
Date: 14 Jun 1996 18:15:16 GMT
Message-Id: <4psa7k$mh5@news.rsn.hp.com>
References: <Dsw07s.9GB.4.relay.ga.unc@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <Pine.SGI.3.93.960613090325.10390A-100000@tower.york.ac.uk> <DsxwKE.2Hy.4.relay.ga.unc@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>

John Davis (jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us) wrote:
: Oh no, not at all. I think IMAP is great. I just meant that it doesn't do me
: any good when my ISP won't install the server. I have been a long-time Unix
: Pine user, but my ISP is getting rid of shell accounts and won't be
: installing IMAP. I'd love to continue to use PC-Pine, but without POP3
: capability I won't be able to do this. Of all the fancy GUI based email
: packages I've tried, I've yet to find one that has the power of Pine while
: continuing to be very easy to use.

I asked about IMAP before signing up with an ISP. The ISP I signed up 
with installed it the same day. I'd recommend you find a new ISP.

Dan
djoy@anet-dfw.com



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To: Don Sugarman <sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.lmco.com>
Cc: Pine Info Mailing List <pine-info@cac.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Error message with 3.94
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Don,

I suppose that you use precompiled SunOS binaries and your own SunOS
has an older release.
To stop the error message you can do the following as root:

ln -s /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9
ldconfig

hope this helps

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Don Sugarman wrote:

> What is the meaning of 
>   ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 has older revision than expected 9 
> on starting Pine 3.94.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Don Sugarman
> sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.ge.com
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:13:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Katie Clark <flora@sage.cc.purdue.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: problem replying to usenet message
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This is nothing to do with Pine, but the way your systems administrator
has configured your Usenet News server.

These servers can be set up to check the content of articles people post
to them and ensure that there is at least a certain percentage of new
material compared to quoted text.  (The idea is to try and encourage
people to edit down included text and supply new, useful material ...
instead of quote a multi-page posting only to add "I agree" at the end.)

If the news server receives such a posting it is refused and an error
message returned.  Pine is simply reporting this error message to you.

Solution: reduce the amount of quoted text, or write some more meaningful
information!

As for your other question, it is not possible to set up the "include
text" option to behave differently between Usenet and regular e-mail.
(Things get very hazy when, for instance, you save a Usenet article into a
folder -- remember these can contain ANY message be it Usenet or e-mail.
Once there should it be treated as a Usenet article or an e-mail?  This
has been discussed many times in the past (so please let's not go over it
all again!).)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Katie Clark wrote:

> Recently I tried to reply to a message in Usenet, but after going
> through all the steps required by PINE to "reply", I got a message
> which said, in effect, that my reply was longer than the original
> message, and so my reply wouldn't be sent!  When I went back and
> shortened the original message to which I was replying, then my reply
> went through!  
> 
> Is there a way to override this feature?  I suppose it's designed to
> conserve bandwidth...and I know we get tired of seening repeats of
> mesages, but...!!  Is there a way to turn off the "show message which
> is being replied to" in replys, in Usenet, but not in regular e-mail
> messages??!!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Katie
> 
> 



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On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Harri Makinen wrote:

> I get this weird 'Bug in Pine' when I try to connect to my POP3 server.
> Pine (3.91, Linux) asks for my username and for my password, and then
> stops and gives that message.

This is a well-known bug in 3.91 version. About 1.5 year ago some patches
went through this mailing list/newsgroup. Try to search archives and apll=
y
the patch recompiling the pine again; or ...

> What is this? Can something be done? (Don't say I should upgrade; I
> can't until there's a newer Pine in Slackware. I'm not a unix guru,
> as you've probably guessed ;-)

... upgrade to 3.94. As there are already precompiled versions for variou=
s
systems (including linux) on ftp.cac.washington.edu you do not need to be
an expert. IMHO the second solution is much better.

Regards, V. S.

Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD, =DATIA AV =C8R, Pod vod=E1renskou v=EC=BE=ED 4,
182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
vs@utia.cas.cz, http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-cz.html



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From: mjh@reserve.why.net (Matt Hinze)
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Date: 14 Jun 1996 18:49:37 GMT
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Hi, we are looking to back up our mail system and need direction
in queueing all the mail using, of course, sendmail. Someome mentioned
something called 'back-p', does anyone here know of such? Would it be
useful in this case?

Please CC a copy of all responses to me via email, and TIA. 

--
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From: Frank Richter <fri@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
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Hello,

I wonder if the environment variable MAIL is supported by pine to use it 
as INBOX. I need this for some machines where the mailbox directory is NFS
mounted not under the system's default mailbox path.

Thanks,  Frank

Email: Frank.Richter@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de   http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~fri
Work:  Computing Services, Technical University, 09107 Chemnitz, Germany



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From: Don Miller <dmiller@jfku.edu>
Subject: Re: can I attach files using the uuencode format?
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 03:06:09 -0700
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Sure can - First, uuencode the file in the usual way (to encode a file
named file in the current directory, label it as 'file', and place it in a
file called file.uu, the usual syntax would be something like:
prompt% uuencode file file > file.uu   ).

Then, start PINE, address the message, and enter your comments.  at the
bottom of the message (on a blank line), use Ctrl-R to read the file into
the message, and enter the file name when it asks "File to insert..." 

Then send the message in the usual manner.

Cheers,

Don Miller
------------------------------
On 19 Jun 1996, Silver Dragon wrote:

> I'm trying to find a way to attach files using the uuencode format instead
> of the mime format, can I do this?




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From: Marina S Stretch <mss@keene.edu>
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Dear pine,
i need real help, here.  For three weeks, I was away, and no one used my 
machine or modem.  Now, upon my return, my screen with pine are not a 
match.  The repainting does not happen properly when I try to switch from 
item to item, I can't read my eamil completely, the keyboard does not 
resond properly to my typing, the words won't space correctly, and I 
can't get it to repaint or fix itself.  For example, this message is 
being typed over yours, since I couldn't get it to unpaint yours even 
though I chose Compose from the menu.  

HELP.


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From: Madeline Fox Rundus <rundusm@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us>
Subject: Re: signature files
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:09:10 -0400
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, J. Bussell wrote:

> Hello!  I would like to have two signature files to choose from.  How do I
> go about making them and then retrieving them into my messages?
> 

Create your two files. You can save one as s1 and the other as s2. Then
when sending mail you can read in either one of the files using the Ctrl R
command (Read File). When prompted, enter either s1 or s2 and the file
will appear at the end of your email.
 ============================================================================
 Madeline Fox Rundus, Librarian |    "...shadows of the world appear
 Northwest Regional Library     |    there she sees the highway near...
 Tampa, Florida 33624           |    in her web she still delights...
                                |    to weave the mirror's magic sights"
 rundusm@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us    |                  Alfred, Lord Tennyson       
 rundusm@snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us
 Homepage: http://www.csee.usf.edu/suds/docs/rundus.html/madlinks.html
=============================================================================



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From: Marc Herbert <herbert@supaero.fr>
Subject: Re: 2 problems w. pine 3.94
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:57:56 +0200
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Eigil Krogh Sorenen wrote:
> 
> We have pine set to ISO-8859-1 character set.
> The problem is that pine3.94 forgets it's set to that characterset after a new
> message has been Composed. After a message has been Composed pine begins to
> display the HEX numbers for the non US characters instead of the characters.

In fact, it seems to me  that pine 
"forgets" to decode the QP (whatever the
character set). I've sent a bug report.



-- 
Marc Herbert
	         Marc.Herbert@supaero.fr   (MIME accepte)


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From: flora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Katie Clark)
Subject: trouble replying to usenet message
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:17:24 GMT
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I tried to reply to a usenet message using PINE 3.9, but got a message
which said, in effect, that my reply couldn't be posted because it (my
message) was shorter than the included message to which I was trying
to  reply (I have my PINE options set so I see the message I'm
replying to below the space where I type in my message).  

When I went back and deleted part of the original message (i.e.,
shortened it) to which I was replying, then my reply went through!  

Is there a way to override this feature?  I suppose it's a way to save
bandwidth?!

Thanks!
Katie




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>From comparing the files pine/osdep/os-{gso,sol}.h it appears that sending
messages in the background can be enabled if Pine was compiled with Sun's
own C compiler, but not if gcc was used.  How come?

--
Soren Larsen                      Email: larsen@imada.ou.dk
Dept. of Math. & Comp. Sci.       URL:   http://www.imada.ou.dk/~larsen/
Odense University, Campusvej 55   phone: +45 6615 8600, ext. 2312
DK-5230 Odense M, Denmark         fax:   +45 6593 2691



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From: Akanit Duangmalai <u3511069@au.ac.th>
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	Please advise us how can i read the previous messige which my
friend sent it to me yesterday.

          Today I open e-mail and found that it is the new system
but I have the serious problem in new system 'cause I can't read my
old messages. My friend sent the important message to me yesterday but I
can't read it. When I press 'I' for viewing the message the screen show
that 'no message'. I don't know what happen.

	I'm waiting for your help. Thanks for your coordination.

Best regards,
Akanit D.



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From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan)
Subject: Re: email spam
Date: 18 Jun 1996 17:02:17 GMT
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References: <Pine.GSO.3.93.960617095746.7045D-100000@shell>

In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.960617095746.7045D-100000@shell>,
	Clint Danbury <danbury@ssnshirt.com> writes:
>
>
>e-mail spam can ruin the usefulness of the net  for floks such as myself.
>(and I suspect most humans on planet earth as well)
>
>The spammers are now using fake addresses, so that sending them their own
>message (copied 50+ times, of course:-)  returns with a message saying
>that no such party exists.
>
>Is there a newsgroup for this ?  Is there software to help ?

I have seen some discussions in alt.security.pgp group.  There is no cure 
in the foreseeable future, I am afraid.  The only way for you to avoid
spamming is to hide your own identidy (email address, that is).  It is a
sad situation for those being spammed, not for those spamming others.

There are tools that help the spammers, and they are very handy.  There
are some tools that are useful, but to limited degree, for the spammed.
Mail filter programs can screen out emails from certain addresses and
delete them so that you don't have to bother reading them after you have
identified the address by the first spamming email.  Anonymous reflectors
can help you to hide your identity.  You probably cannot post to local 
newsgroups that the anonymous service does not cover.  Your favorite lists
may not appreciate anonymous users so that you may have to give up some of
your favorite subscriptions.  The inconvenience is not too bad considering
you will not be spammed any more.

Email address is just like your home address or phone number.  There are
always ways for spammers to abuse it.

Just my 2c.

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
== Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
== finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key=



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Subject: Converting tab into spaces (Unix Pine 394)?
Date: 18 Jun 1996 16:45:04 GMT
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Sometimes, tabs in my email get screwed up in the recipients end.
I had to convert tabs into spaces manually.  I thought Pine can do
it on the fly, but I don't know how to get Pine do it.  Any help
will be greatly appreciated!

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
== Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
== finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key=



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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Silver Dragon <brownen@cs.ucdavis.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: can I attach files using the uuencode format?
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UUENCODE the file outside of Pine, then use ^R to read the encoded file
into the message body.

-teg

On 19 Jun 1996, Silver Dragon wrote:

> I'm trying to find a way to attach files using the uuencode format instead
> of the mime format, can I do this?
> 
> --
> SD.
> 
> Nigel Browne
> phone: (916) 756-1038
> e-mail: brownen@cs.ucdavis.edu
> 



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From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= {Vladimir Solnicky} <vs@utia.cas.cz>
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To: Jie Yuan <yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu>
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On 18 Jun 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:

> Sometimes, tabs in my email get screwed up in the recipients end.
> I had to convert tabs into spaces manually.  I thought Pine can do
> it on the fly, but I don't know how to get Pine do it.  Any help
> will be greatly appreciated!

A stupid solution that replaces every tab character by fixed number of
spaces:

Install the following line as your sending filter (pine 3.92 or newer
required) and set the feature which defaults to automatic use of the firs=
t
filter on sending the mail (replace `@' by <tab> charcater and `****' by
appropritate number of spaces).

sed -e 's/@/****/g'

`Smarter' solution counting th eactual column requires more programming.

Regards, V. S.

Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD, =DATIA AV =C8R, Pod vod=E1renskou v=EC=BE=ED 4,
182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
vs@utia.cas.cz, http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-cz.html



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From: Michael Seibel <mikes@cac.washington.edu>
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Soren Larsen wrote:

> From comparing the files pine/osdep/os-{gso,sol}.h it appears that
> sending messages in the background can be enabled if Pine was compiled
> with Sun's own C compiler, but not if gcc was used.  How come? 

Oversight, I'm afraid!  For this particular port, simply uncommenting the
"BACKGROUND_POST" definition should be all that is required to enable this
feature.

Michael Seibel
Networks and Distributed Computing
University of Washington, Seattle



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I have downloaded an xbm file for pine, but I can't find any information
on how to set it up as the default icon for pine.

Can some clever person please tell me how to do this?

(I am using pine3.94 on a Sun SPARC system, running SunOS 4.1.3).


Thanks in advance,

 Tim Porter.
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Is there a way to configure the news reader to go back to the alphabetical
list of groups?  When I am in the index of a specific news group, and want
to return to the general list, I have to go back to the folder list first.
I find this inconvenient, and have not been successful in finding a
conguration in my setup to control it.

Dawn




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I'm in a situation where I need to be able to easily change the reply-to
address depending on where and for what reason I am sending a message.

In the pine config I see an option for "reply-always-uses-reply-to"
but I can't find a place to specify reply-to addresses.

T.I.A.


        / Kevin Broderick        -      Network Specialist \


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To antoher file or folder?

On 17 Jun 1996, Jay Respler wrote:

> When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
> I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?
> Thanks.
> Jay.
> 
> --
> JRespler@InJersey.com   or   Jay.Respler@bytewise.org
>    Satellite Tracker * Early Typewriter Collector
>               Freehold, New Jersey
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
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To: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:53:05 -0500 (CDT)
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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>From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu  Mon Jun 17 13:13:15 1996
>From: Dave Rasmussen <dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu>
>Subject: disable "request secrets of pine"? How?
>To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
>
>We have pine handouts for our users and would prefer not to have 5000 new
>freshmen request the email'd handout however well intended it is from u of
>washington. Is there a config setting to disable this?

Well, since one person asked if anyone else sent me a solution, here is my
context diff to the file pine.c to accomplish this:

*** pine.c      Mon Jun 17 18:31:06 1996
--- pine.c.orig Mon Jun 17 17:16:22 1996
--- 337,342 ----
***************
*** 1934,1942 ****
           && !var_in_pinerc(ps_global->vars[V_NNTP_SERVER].name))
         || !var_in_pinerc(ps_global->vars[V_MAILCHECK].name)){
        phone_home_blurb(dline);
! /*    if(want_to("Request document", 'y', 0, NO_HELP, 0, 1) == 'y')
          phone_home();
!       else */
          q_status_message(SM_ORDER,0,3,"No request sent");

      }
--- 1919,1927 ----
           && !var_in_pinerc(ps_global->vars[V_NNTP_SERVER].name))
         || !var_in_pinerc(ps_global->vars[V_MAILCHECK].name)){
        phone_home_blurb(dline);
!       if(want_to("Request document", 'y', 0, NO_HELP, 0, 1) == 'y')
          phone_home();
!       else
          q_status_message(SM_ORDER,0,3,"No request sent");

      }



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We want do our local user address expansion at sendmail time, and not have
pine add the qualified host address to everyone's login, be it a single
address message, a message to an addressbook list, or whatever. Has anyone
else done this and if so, could you send me context diffs, pointers to
config file changes if possible, etc?



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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:34:06 -0500
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If you put a :; (a colon and a semicolon)in the to: field and the list in
the Bcc field the people will not see the list.  If you want to be able to
see what they see include yourself in the list and it will mail you a copy
just like how anyone else would receive it.

Hope this helps!

On 17 Jun 1996, Jocelyn G wrote:

> I have a manual mailing list and it's reaching 50 subscribers soon.
> 
> I began by putting the list in the Bcc: field so that nobody could read
> the names, but some mailers read it just the same.  It must be annoying,
> even though I can't see what it looks like... 
> 
> I would like to put the list at the end of the document, so that the body 
> would be readable BEFORE the list.
> 
> Can I do that?
> 
> If you can, reply also by e-mail.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> -- 
> ============== Je suis candidat aux Webs d'Or.  Votez pour moi! ==============
>         Jocelyn G	  e-mail:   gagnonjo@ERE.UMontreal.CA
>  BLAGUES-L, c'est moi !   www:      http://tornade.ERE.UMontreal.CA/~gagnonjo/
> ============ http://www.france.com/cgi-bin/france/vv.pl?sid=2414 =============
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
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Is it possible to set up pine in such a way that it will display the 
french characters?


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Subject: Re: changing REPLY-TO address
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You could try putting it in the custom headers section, which you could 
then pull up with control-R and add one if you needed it ... if you 
always have a reply-to you could put it in default headers and then  it 
should always come up. 

I have added a number of custom headers myself, but left things blank to 
the right of the : so I can easily pull up a list of different headers 
and add the ones I need on the offtime I may need something like that...

-Matt


Kevin Broderick (kbroder@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: I'm in a situation where I need to be able to easily change the reply-to
: address depending on where and for what reason I am sending a message.

: In the pine config I see an option for "reply-always-uses-reply-to"
: but I can't find a place to specify reply-to addresses.

: T.I.A.


:         / Kevin Broderick        -      Network Specialist \

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From: oerjan@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.french
Date: 20 Jun 1996 04:16:58 GMT
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In article <4qa5cb$24b@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, Daniel Stern <stern@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>Is it possible to set up pine in such a way that it will display the 
>french characters?

Pine should be able to do that "out of the box", except for a warning
message which you get rid of by going to Setup Config and adding

character-set            = ISO-8859-1

So if you have problems with displaying, it is probably somewhere else.

First of all you must have your terminal set up to use the
ISO-8859-1/Latin-1 character set. Then (this is for Unix only, I don't
know otherwise) put the following in your .cshrc or .bashrc, or a modified
version if you don't use either of those shells:

.cshrc (for csh and tcsh, in the last case the file may be .tcshrc)
------
tty -s
if (! $status) then
        stty cs8 -istrip -parenb 
endif


.bashrc: (or .profile if you are using sh)
--------
if tty -s; then
        stty cs8 -istrip -parenb >&0
fi

If you still have problems, check out the ISO-8859-1 FAQ, posted
to news.answers and assorted soc.culture groups, soc.culture.french
probably included.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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From: logan@kronos-ethernet.arc.nasa.gov (Logan Shaw)
Subject: Re: How doe pine actually do mime attachment?
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 05:24:11 GMT

In article <4q59bj$bb1@ruby.hknet.com>, Anthony Lee <anthony@hknet.com> wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I want to send a number of people pdf files as mime attachments.
>Presumably they are all using Eudora.  At the moment I am doing this
>by hand from Eudora.  I was wondering whether I could do this from
>within a shell script?  I presume pine creat the text to mail and
>somehow pipes it to sendmail.  I have download the source
>code, I am currently looking at send.c (is that the right place?).

I'm happy to inform you that there already exists a tool to do exactly
what you're trying do.  It's called "metasend", and I believe it comes
with the "metamail" package.

It's very easy to use; for instance, if I wanted to send a file to
you called "my.pdf" and have "a file" as the subject of the mail
message, I would simply write:

    metasend -b -m application/pdf -f my.pdf -s "a file" -t anthony@hknet.com

Simple, eh?

  - Logan
-- 
Logan Shaw, Unix Systems Administrator
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From: chris elliott <cje2@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Pine Developers <pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu>
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Subject: Bug (ID 0U2WH): pine 3.94
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Running on a Pc with Novell's winsock , if you close an iconised pine,
then next time pine restarts, it draws the full screen starting from the
iconised position, rather than full screen starting from its last
full-screen coordinates


The reslut of this is that (since the icon is normally at the bootom of
the screen) the pine titla bar and little else shows.

A nuisance rather than a disater

chris


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Pine built 12-Jun-1996 on host: random-pc
========== struct pine * ==========
ui:	login = , full = 
	home = C:\
home_dir=	h:\pine
hostname=	biolpc9.york.ac.uk
localdom=	york.ac.uk
userdom=	york.ac.uk
maildom=	york.ac.uk
cur_cntxt=	{imap.york.ac.uk}Mail/[]
cur_fldr=	INBOX
actual mbox=	{imap.york.ac.uk}INBOX
msgmap: tot=43, cur=43, del=0, hid=0, exld=0, slct=0, sort=Arrival
inbox is mail_stream
term , size=24x100, speed=normal
======= Current_val options set =======
        personal-name : chris elliott
              user-id : cje2
          user-domain : york.ac.uk
          smtp-server : smtp.york.ac.uk
          nntp-server : news.york.ac.uk
           inbox-path : {imap.york.ac.uk}INBOX
   folder-collections : {imap.york.ac.uk}Mail/[]
     news-collections : *{news.york.ac.uk/nntp}[]
          default-fcc : ""
 default-saved-msg-fo : savemail
     postponed-folder : c:\windows\temp
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : pine.sig
  global-address-book : c:\windows\ecs\lbook
         address-book : h:\wbook
         feature-list : auto-open-next-unread
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : include-attachments-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : quit-without-confirm
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : save-will-advance
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : auto-open-next-unread
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : include-attachments-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : quit-without-confirm
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : save-will-advance
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
 initial-keystroke-li : i
  saved-msg-name-rule : last-folder-used
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : nickname
               editor : pfe
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
         image-viewer : f:\public\apps\comms\viewers\lv\lviewp1b.exe
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.94
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
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  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : h:\newsrc
  mailcap-search-path : f:\public\apps\comms\pine\mailcap;h:\pine\mailcap
 mimetype-search-path : f:\public\apps\comms\pine\mimetype;h:\pine\mimetype
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
     folder-extension : MTX
 reverse-background-c : blue
            font-name : Courier New
            font-size : 9
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
      window-position : 100x24+55+61d
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (h:\pine\pinerc) =======
        personal-name : chris elliott
              user-id : cje2
          user-domain : york.ac.uk
          smtp-server : smtp.york.ac.uk
          nntp-server : news.york.ac.uk
           inbox-path : {imap.york.ac.uk}INBOX
   folder-collections : {imap.york.ac.uk}Mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
     postponed-folder : c:\windows\temp
         address-book : h:\wbook
         feature-list : auto-open-next-unread
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : include-attachments-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : quit-without-confirm
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : save-will-advance
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
                      : quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
 initial-keystroke-li : i
  saved-msg-name-rule : last-folder-used
   addrbook-sort-rule : nickname
               editor : pfe
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.94
          newsrc-path : h:\newsrc
 reverse-background-c : blue
            font-name : Courier New
            font-size : 9
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
      window-position : 100x24+55+61d
======= Global_val options set (f:\public\apps\comms\pine\pinerc) =======
          user-domain : york.ac.uk
          smtp-server : smtp.york.ac.uk
          nntp-server : news.york.ac.uk
           inbox-path : {imap.york.ac.uk}INBOX
   folder-collections : {imap.york.ac.uk}Mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
 default-saved-msg-fo : savemail
     postponed-folder : postpond
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : pine.sig
  global-address-book : c:\windows\ecs\lbook
         address-book : h:\wbook.txt
         feature-list : auto-open-next-unread
                      : enable-alternate-editor-cmd
                      : enable-suspend
                      : enable-tab-completion
                      : include-attachments-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : quit-without-confirm
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : save-will-advance
                      : use-current-dir
                      : enable-jump-shortcut
 initial-keystroke-li : i
  saved-msg-name-rule : last-folder-used
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : nickname
               editor : pfe
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
         image-viewer : f:\public\apps\comms\viewers\lv\lviewp1b.exe
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : h:\newsrc
  mailcap-search-path : f:\public\apps\comms\pine\mailcap;h:\pine\mailcap
 mimetype-search-path : f:\public\apps\comms\pine\mimetype;h:\pine\mimetype
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
     folder-extension : MTX
 reverse-background-c : blue
            font-name : Courier New
            font-size : 9
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
      window-position : 101x29+57+41d
======= Fixed_val options set (NO FIXED) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
     auto-open-next-unread
  no-auto-zoom-after-select
  no-auto-unzoom-after-apply
  no-compose-cut-from-cursor
  no-compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-send-offers-first-filter
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-default-in-bug-report
  no-disable-busy-alarm
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-keymenu
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-update-cmd
  no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
  no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
  no-enable-8bit-nntp-posting
  no-enable-aggregate-command-set
     enable-alternate-editor-cmd
  no-enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
  no-enable-bounce-cmd
  no-enable-cruise-mode
  no-enable-cruise-mode-delete
  no-enable-dot-files
  no-enable-dot-folders
  no-enable-flag-cmd
  no-enable-flag-screen-implicitly
  no-enable-full-header-cmd
  no-enable-goto-in-file-browser
  no-enable-incoming-folders
     enable-jump-shortcut
  no-enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-mouse-in-xterm
  no-enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
     enable-suspend
     enable-tab-completion
  no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-enable-verbose-smtp-posting
  no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
  no-expanded-view-of-folders
     expunge-without-confirm
  no-fcc-on-bounce
     include-attachments-in-reply
  no-include-header-in-reply
     include-text-in-reply
  no-news-approximates-new-status
  no-news-post-without-validation
  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-pass-control-characters-as-is
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
  no-print-includes-from-line
  no-print-index-enabled
  no-print-formfeed-between-messages
     quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
  no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
  no-quell-status-message-beeping
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
     quit-without-confirm
  no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
  no-save-aggregates-copy-sequence
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
  no-save-will-not-delete
     save-will-advance
  no-select-without-confirm
  no-show-cursor
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
  no-signature-at-bottom
  no-single-column-folder-list
  no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
     use-current-dir
  no-use-function-keys
  no-use-sender-not-x-sender
  no-use-subshell-for-suspend
========== Latest keystrokes ==========
	i	(0x0069)
	^L	(0x000c)
	^@	(0x0000)
	^@	(0x0000)
	^@	(0x0000)
	^@	(0x0000)
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	RETURN	(0x000d)
	f	(0x0066)
	d	(0x0064)
	 	(0x0020)
	 	(0x0020)
	 	(0x0020)
	d	(0x0064)
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	^@	(0x0000)
	^@	(0x0000)
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	^@	(0x0000)
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	M	(0x004d)
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	B	(0x0042)
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Subject: user-id and password prompted multiple times
Date: 20 Jun 1996 09:10:25 GMT
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Hello,

I am trying on Windows 3.11 with Pine 3.94 a setup so that the same
pinerc file can be used by successive students sitting after the
same PC.

I tried to set in PINERC user-id to the Empty Value (""), which
works fine.  However, I get also user-id and password prompts
the first time sent-mail  savemail postponed folders are used,
while all the folders and the inbox are on the same host.	
How can I make that userid and password is only prompted once ?

PINERC:

user-id=""
user-domain=imap.kul.be
smtp-server=imap.kul.be
inbox-path={imap.kul.be}inbox
folder-collection=blbla {imap.kul.be}mail/[]
default-fcc=sent-mail
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....

Herman.VanUytven@cc.kuleuven.ac.be



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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 22:14:14 -0500
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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Sven Guckes wrote:

> 
> "Quoted printable"
> 
> > Are there any simple utilities that can decode this kind message?
> 
> qpdecode:
> perl -pe 's/\=([0-9A-Fa-f]{2})/chr(hex($1))/ge; s/\=\n//;'
> 
I'm sorry, but I don't know much about computer programming, and my 
account does not allow me access to any of this unix perl stuff.  What I 
really need is a utility similar to the uuencode/decode and zip/unzip 
utilities widely available for DOS and Windows; one that is capable of 
dealing specifically with the "quoted printable" encoding scheme.  Is 
there such a thing.

Anyway, thanks for the information.


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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:03:28 -0400
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Hi,
	I was wondering if there is a way to map keys in pine ( an 
equivalent to the map lines in .exrc for UNIX mail ).  Thank you in 
advance for your help.

					Max

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From: Beth Peterson <bethp@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: How COPY mail in INbox?
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:55:19 -0500
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In the setup config menu (at the main menu type S (setup) and C
(configuration)), there is a feature called enable-aggregate-command-key. 
If you select this is allows you to use the ';' (select) and A (apply)
commands.  What you do is (I hope these messages are in the same folder) 
at the message index type ';' to select by number, from, to, etc.. the
type A (apply) and apply the eXport command and this will export all of
the selected messages to the file you specify or apply the save command
and save all the messages to another folder(named backup copies)(it will
ask you if you want to create that folder once you type in the name). (the
save may be better for you if you are going to delete them in the inbox
and may still need to reply to them. 

Hope this is what you are looking for.

 On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, JAY RESPLER wrote:

> 
> > To antoher file or folder?
> 
> I don't think it makes a difference, does it?
> The idea is to make a backup before I start deleting individual in-coming 
> messages.  A few times I deleted those messages before I was done with them.
> I realize it as soon as they're gone, but by then it's too late.  I would 
> need the backup copy file or folder at such a time.
> That's why I would like to copy all the mail before I start working on it.
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> 
>  > On 17 Jun 1996, Jay Respler wrote:
> > 
> > > When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
> > > I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Jay.
> > > 
> > > --
> --
> JRespler@InJersey.com   or   Jay.Respler@bytewise.org
>    Satellite Tracker * Early Typewriter Collector
>               Freehold, New Jersey
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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On 18 Jun 1996, Orjan Johansen wrote:
		(snip)
> For newsgroup spams, at least, there is news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
> Emails are discussed there too sometimes.  I am sure there are other fora
> for email spams as well - I seem to recall rumors about Web blacklists.
> 
	The blacklist of Internet advertisers, which explains
itself, is at
http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/BL/blacklist.html
	Enjoy!

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life
                 Balto-Fennic, Germanic, Romance
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Tom Skipper wrote:

> Good Morning!
> 
> We have a desire/need to forward large quantities of news articles in some of
> our local newsgroups.  In using Pine as the newsreader, I can select ALL the
> messages in a newsgroup and then forward them to a particular email address. 
> Unfortunately, ALL of the messages are appended to each other and arrive at the
> destination email address as ONE large message with a Subject header reflecting
> the number of forwarded messages (Ex. 16 Forwarded Mail Messages...).
> 
> Is it possible to select ALL the articles but have them forwarded as individual
> messages?

I don't know of any way to do this. You may want to post to 
pine-info@cac.washington.edu and ask them, since this is a "generic" pine 
question. if there is a way to do it, they would know.

> 
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> L Thomas Skipper (Tom)			Voice: (215) 762-7613
> Systems and Networking Manager		FAX:   (215) 762-8180
> Medical College of Pennsylvania         Internet: tom.skipper@mcphu.edu
> and Hahnemann University                          skipper@medcolpa.edu
> Institute for Academic Informatics
> Broad & Vine                               MCPHU: skipper@ef
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_______________________________________________________________________________
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Systems and Networking Manager		FAX:   (215) 762-8180
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Hi,

I am planning to migrate to pine from xmh. What are the things that
I need to take care. 
Following are the things that need to be taken care of:

1. I want my existing mails also to be viewable from pine
2. retain the existing folder structure
3. retain or atleast be able to import the existing aliases.

I would appreciate anybody who could help me.

Thanks,
Gopal


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>
>
> Problem:  C - Compose send mail  hang-up
> Environment:   uucp - @Internet mail, ICL DRS-3000   DNIX Svr4  (Intel)
>                sendmail 8.6.9
>                pine 3.93
>
> After I send the mail  0 %-  then  100%  then hangup
> I have to wait for time out.  elm 2.4 in the same computer does the job 
>without any problem. Pine has no problem for incoming mail.
>
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>
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>>Regards / Cale CELIK
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>



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In article <Pine.SUN.3.93.960618153025.9893A-100000@scfn>
sfao6g@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Jean Glick) writes:

   I need information on how to help a friend of mine; when he brings up an
   email letter to read only the bottom half is displayed--if you "previous
   page" the logo of our freenet comes up - sorta like the letter is tucked
   under the logo.  Also, the menu from "Inbox" is interspersed throughout
   the letter being read.

I assume your friend is also running pine on a Sun.

It sounds to me as if the Unix host doesn't know what window size your
friend is using.  He can get its view of the situation by entering 'stty
-a' and looking for rows and columns values, or (depending on the
operating system) something like 'echo "$COLUMNS"; echo "$LINES"'.

If the values are wrong, they can be reset by means of commands such as

	stty rows 24 columns 80
	setenv LINES 24			# csh syntax
	LINES=24; export LINES		# sh syntax
	eval `resize`			# under X (not guaranteed)

Your local sysadmin may have additional advice.

Hope this helps,
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Hi,

I have Linux kernel 2.0, and pine won't build:
gcc -O4 -N    -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c os.c -o os.o
os.c: In function `canonical_name':
os.c:1013: warning: return discards `const' from pointer target type
os.c: In function `post_reap':
os.c:1740: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer
type
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a', needed by
`pine'.  Stop.

Someone sent in a patch regarding this some time ago, so would someone
please try to incorporate it into new version of pine? Or even make
another build type, like lnx2..

Hynek


--
Hynek Med, xmedh02@manes.vse.cz




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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:59:12 -0400
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I have a file(updated on a weekly basis) that needs to be sent through 
e-mail on a regular basis. I want to use cron to automate the process. Can anyone walk me through how 
to use pine (mailx, elm or mail) to accomplish that.

+--------------------------+
|   Bun Chiu               |
|   MIS Department         |
|   Sager Electronics      |
|   mailto:bun@sager.com   |
|   http://www.sager.com   |
+--------------------------+




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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, [ISO-8859-2] Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD {Vladimir Solnicky}=
 wrote:

> On 18 Jun 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:
>=20
> > Sometimes, tabs in my email get screwed up in the recipients end.
> > I had to convert tabs into spaces manually.  I thought Pine can do
> > it on the fly, but I don't know how to get Pine do it.  Any help
> > will be greatly appreciated!
>=20
> A stupid solution that replaces every tab character by fixed number of
> spaces:
>=20
> Install the following line as your sending filter (pine 3.92 or newer
> required) and set the feature which defaults to automatic use of the firs=
t
> filter on sending the mail (replace `@' by <tab> charcater and `****' by
> appropritate number of spaces).
>=20
> sed -e 's/@/****/g'
>=20
> `Smarter' solution counting th eactual column requires more programming.
>=20
> Regards, V. S.
>=20
> Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD, =DATIA AV =C8R, Pod vod=E1renskou v=EC=BE=ED 4,
> 182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
> vs@utia.cas.cz, http://www.utia.cas.cz/user_data/vs/vs-home-cz.html

I hope I'm not getting too far off topic with this one, but I've included
a little script I had to write last year to converts TABs into spaces
while keeping the columns into consideration. Just hand it the original
tab-stop as an argument ("tab2spc 8").

The program only works well on clean text-only ASCII files.

Regards,

- Richard Gering.

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hi.  well, this is a little confusing to me, and maybe you can help me 
with it.  i got an update on pine about two weeks ago.  since then, it 
kinda "disappeared".  and then it came back, then disappeared again, 
without notice.  as of now, i have pine 3.91, instead of pine 3.92 which 
should be the new one.  i was just wondering what happened to my updated 
version of pine.  thanks a lot for your time.  



sam :) :9



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Subject: Re: confirm reading in elm or pine
Date: 19 Jun 1996 15:38:19 GMT
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   Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net> writes:
>  > Do Elm or Pine have a confirm reading option, like
>  > Pegasus Mail?
>  
>      This is the Pine newsgroup, and I cannot speak about Elm.  Do you
>  mean, is there a way to get some confirmation back that the recipient
>  has actually opened and read the mail?  No.  There are no Internet-
>  wide standards for this sort of thing.  Some proprietary mail systems
>  (may like Pegasus Mail? which I am unfamiliar with) may do it, but that
>  works only among users hooked together and using that same proprietary
>  mail system.  Internet-wide you're out of luck.  Sorry.

Well, it doesn't *only* work between the users of the same system.  The 
version of (Win) Pegasus Mail that I first used only had a "confirm reading"
option, which would insert a "X-pmrqc: 1" header, recognizable by Pegasus
mail only, AFAIK. The next version also included a "confirm delivery" option
which inserted the well-known "Return-Receipt-To:" header.  Using this option
with users of various mail systems, some with SMTP gateways (cc:mail, MS-Mail,
etc), some without, produced widely varying results. Well, varying from 0-2
confirmations per message.  Sometimes I got a delivery confirmation from the
receiving MDA, indicating only that it was received. I might also get a receipt
when they actually *read* the message.  Sometimes I got nothing.  To confirm that
they actually *read* the message, the MUA needs to support that function, where,
as you implied - you can't count on anything.   Especially for SLIP-based mail
readers.  Doesn't Eudora Pro send a receipt when the msg is fetched from the POP3
server and not when/if the msg is actually read?  I can't remember. And the
shareware Eudora doesn't support (sending) read receipts at all.



Steve "oh, wait - this is the PINE group" Patlan
(speaking for myself, blah, blah, blah)



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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Tom Skipper <tom.skipper@mcphu.edu>
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Tom,
Concerning your desire to forward a bunch of articles as individual
messages: the latest (3.94) version of Unix and PC-Pine allow you
to "Apply Bounce" to a set of selected messages.  This sounds like what
you'd like.

(Don't know when a VMS version of 3.94 might show up...)

-teg



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References: <slrn4rrdh9.bt.playhaus@news.gate.net> <Pine.OS2.3.92.960616211344.87D-100000@Abtu>

In article <Pine.OS2.3.92.960616211344.87D-100000@Abtu>, Bill Hartwell wrote:

>What is your current configuration?  I had the same problem when I first
>set it up, but I found that mine was caused by including my full email
>address as my username, when all I needed was my login name.  Other than
>that, if you have your nameserver set up properly in your dialer, and
>you've got your mail server entered properly, it should work fine. Can you
>give more details?

I resolved my original problem, but now I'm unsure how to set up folders.



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From: Li Tao <ltao@jell.fullerton.edu>
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Does anybody know EXACTLY how to download the lastest version of Pine?
When I tried to download it, it came out as a text file. Is this right?





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From: andi@rpkhp9.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Andreas Muck)
Subject: Sort/Select by date (was: can I attach files using the uuencode format?)
Date: 20 Jun 1996 21:06:31 GMT
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Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
> UUENCODE the file outside of Pine, then use ^R to read the encoded file
> into the message body.

And watch pine crashing... Is this fixed in 3.94? I am back to 3.91 now
because of this bug. 

I have another question too. When using "Sort by Date" it doesn't sort
by the date found in the "Date:" field, it uses instead the "Received:"
field, am I right? 

Example: If I download the mail with pop, it sendmail appends a Received
line with the actual download date and time. It seems that pine uses this
one to sort or select by date which is very annoying. I'd like to use 
the Date field for everything. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Maybe this will be fixed
in a future release.

Thank you
Andi
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Is there a way to have pine read an active news file when using an nntp
connection.  The problem is that whenever I want to subscribe to a new
group, pine has to fetch the list from the server.  This is very time
consuming.  I want to be able to have pine read a file in my home
directory or something instead of going to the server all the time.  I'm
running linux on a 28.8 ppp conection.





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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Andreas Muck <andi@rpkhp9.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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Andi,
I can't seem to find your bug report on the uuencode crash, and it
certainly isn't reproducible here.  If you can reproduce it with 3.94,
a stack trace would be most helpful!

As for the date sort, I'm pretty sure your analysis is incorrect, but
without specific header examples it's hard to say what's happening... 

-teg

On 20 Jun 1996, Andreas Muck wrote:

> Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
> > UUENCODE the file outside of Pine, then use ^R to read the encoded file
> > into the message body.
> 
> And watch pine crashing... Is this fixed in 3.94? I am back to 3.91 now
> because of this bug. 
> 
> I have another question too. When using "Sort by Date" it doesn't sort
> by the date found in the "Date:" field, it uses instead the "Received:"
> field, am I right? 
> 
> Example: If I download the mail with pop, it sendmail appends a Received
> line with the actual download date and time. It seems that pine uses this
> one to sort or select by date which is very annoying. I'd like to use 
> the Date field for everything. 
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Maybe this will be fixed
> in a future release.
> 
> Thank you
> Andi



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I'm trying to change by "From" field in outgoing mail from:

 scrotty@carbon.cudenver.edu
	to
 seancrotty@bigfoot.com

I am using pine from CU-Denver, so it auotmatically gets my address.
Using what I have already found, I've been able to transform the
address to:

 scrotty@bigfoot.com

But I can't figure out how to change my User-ID from "scrotty" to
"seancrotty".

Any suggestions?

Thank You,
Sean



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From: jrespler@nj5.injersey.com (Jay Respler)
Subject: Re: How COPY mail in INbox?
Date: 21 Jun 1996 04:38:21 GMT
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Beth Peterson (bethp@fnal.gov) wrote:
: To antoher file or folder?

Either way should be ok.



: On 17 Jun 1996, Jay Respler wrote:

: > When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
: > I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?
: > Thanks.
: > Jay.
: > 

: Beth Peterson
: bethp@fnal
: Physics Department


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From: Farid Hamjavar <hamjavar@unm.edu>
Subject: Re: PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:33:52 -0600
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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Rick Troxel wrote:
> In article <4prt27$a7g@rain.psg.com> greg@dhc1.deehoward.com (Greg
> Bassett) writes:
>    Are there any known issues running PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3 that we
>    need to be aware of, (fixes per chance?)
> 
> You should upgrade.  Pine 3.94 fixed problems of this type that I had
> been having under several of the 3.93.x alpha (beta?) releases.
> 
> Regards,
> --
===================================================
I posted this (below) last week  ... I can not get pine3.94 to compile
on aix 4.1.4 .... tons of error ...

folks at UW put my help-request on a waiting Q ...
I'd be happy to e-mail the screen-capture of compile to any one
who likes to see it ....                                

Thanks,
Farid

Date: 15 Jun 1996 13:50:43 -0600
From: Farid Hamjavar <hamjavar@unm.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: HELP: AIX-4.1.4 and PINE-3.9.4

AIX-4.1.4
PINE-3.9.4

Hello,

Compiling 3.94 on aix4.1 (build a41) produces
tons of errors and finally hangs and never finishes!
(using a32 is not any better,  it also hangs and generates a lot of 
errors).


I sent the "script" capture to "pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu"
but I got a automated message back!

Can someone from pine development group gets back to me ...

Thanks,
Farid Hamjavar
hamjavar@unm.edu



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There is a Precedence field in each message's header.
Could somebody please give some background info of what that is and how
this can be hadled or set up by a pine user?

Thank you in advance,

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Well, whenever I send an attached binary application using pine 3.93 I get
the following error message:

     [ERROR positioning in /user/terra/droy/dectalk.zip : Invalid argument]
sth                                [Message sent.]

Well, as you can see, it sends the text of my message okay.  However, if I
use pine3.91 which is also on the system, everything works okay.  Anyone
have any ideas?

Please reply to me directly as I don't always have time to monitor the
newsgroup, thanks.




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  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Richard Gering wrote:

>=20
> On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, [ISO-8859-2] Vladim=EDr Solnick=FD {Vladimir Solnick=
y} wrote:
>=20
> > On 18 Jun 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:
> >=20
> > > Sometimes, tabs in my email get screwed up in the recipients end.
> > > I had to convert tabs into spaces manually.  I thought Pine can do
=2E..
> > A stupid solution that replaces every tab character by fixed number of
> > spaces:
=2E..
> > sed -e 's/@/****/g'
> >=20
> > `Smarter' solution counting th eactual column requires more programming=
=2E
=2E..
> I hope I'm not getting too far off topic with this one, but I've included
> a little script I had to write last year to converts TABs into spaces
> while keeping the columns into consideration. Just hand it the original
> tab-stop as an argument ("tab2spc 8").
=2E..


Try one of the Unix commands `expand' or `newform', whichever is
available on your system.


--  Ravi Krishna <ravik@sas.soft.net>, Fri Jun 21 13:49:24 IST 1996

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Sean Crotty <scrotty@carbon.cudenver.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Changing "From" field in outgoing mail
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As standard you are not able to change the "From:" field.  Pine is
supplied configured in this way for, I presume, security reasons to reduce
risk of mail forgery.  (It is possible for the systems administrator to
recomp[ile Pine to allow changing the "From:" header.)

Perhaps what you're really after doing is the (much easier) setting up of
a "Reply-to:" header with your normal e-mail address as its value?

You can do this by going to Pine's Setup Configuration screen ("S" then
"C" from the Main Menu).  Then adding a "Customized header" called
"Reply-To: Sean Crotty <seancrotty@bigfoot.com>"

The header will then be available on every message you send and, because
you also set up a value, will be initialised to that value.

Most mail programs will either use of offer to use the Reply-To address in
place of the From field's value.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Sean Crotty wrote:

> I'm trying to change by "From" field in outgoing mail from:
> 
>  scrotty@carbon.cudenver.edu
> 	to
>  seancrotty@bigfoot.com
> 
> I am using pine from CU-Denver, so it auotmatically gets my address.
> Using what I have already found, I've been able to transform the
> address to:
> 
>  scrotty@bigfoot.com
> 
> But I can't figure out how to change my User-ID from "scrotty" to
> "seancrotty".
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank You,
> Sean
> 



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deja vu - 

There was a long thread a couple of years ago on pine-info about
message confirmation, including which MUAs support (e.g., cc:Mail),
limited MDA support (i.e., system - not recipient - receipts), the pros
and cons (privacy issue), and do-it-yourself receipt scripts.

One thing that got little argument was that putting a request in the
message asking the recipient to acknowledge receipt by sending a reply
message will work with all MUAa and MDAs - but not with all recipients.


Don Sugarman
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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Li Tao wrote:

> Does anybody know EXACTLY how to download the lastest version of Pine?
> When I tried to download it, it came out as a text file. Is this right?


ftp to "ftp.cac.washington.edu"
login "anonymous"
send id as password
enter "cd pine/unix-bin"
enter "bin"
enter "prom"
enter "mget *.<os name>"      	for example "mget *.sun" for the sun os
				version

enter "quit"

That should do it.


Don Sugarman
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Subject: PINE DOES NOT WORK!!!!!

We are DESPERATE!!  We have been trying to get pine stable on AIX 4.1 for
several weeks.  We have 150 users that continue to have terminal lock-up
problems throughout the program.  (We are getting 50-75 calls PER DAY on
this problem).

Users are on a variety of Wyse 150, IBM 3151 terminals, and PC's.  PINE
seems to lock up completely, then when we kill the users process, the
terminal's settings have been completely screwed up.  

We have tried PINE 3.93 (compiled using the a32 option) and PINE 3.91, using
the pre-compiled binaries.  NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK. 

I've checked the PINE and AIX FAQ's, as well as the archive for this
mail-list and the newsgroup. 

We're at our wit's end here....

Greg



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My ISP is having problem with pine 3.94's hanging on background sending on
a SPARC with sun OS. 

Anyone have any info on this?

(I think there was a post the other day about a background sending
problems with Pine 3.94, but I must have deleted it.)

TIA,

Don Sugarman
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From: Dan Mandell <dmandell@saintmarys.edu>
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The question has arisen as to whether the HPUX version of Pine is written to 
use shared code in memory so I thought I would see if you could tell me.  

We are looking at Hewlett Pachard system memory requirments and most of
the software we develop for our own system is written to use shared code;
15 people can be running the same piece of code and require little more
memory that one person. It was not sure whether the standard hpp build of 
Pine takes advantage of this or not (not myself being a system programmer 
I'm not sure what the switches are or whether this is even feasible with 
Pine code)

Thanks
Dan

--
Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College      
Internet: dmandell@saintmarys.edu

...Cyberspace is to America in the late twentieth century what 
the frontier was to America in the nineteenth century: the engine 
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pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk (Mike Brudenell):
> Somebody else just asked this question; see my answer (just sent out to
> the list a few minutes ago so it should be winging its way around the
> place soon!).  The Subject line was:
> 	Lookup File /tmp//a3218266 Doesn't Exist. Creating

I think it's easier if you just give the mesage id of your post, ie
	<Pine.SGI.3.93.960617095116.12582G-100000@tower.york.ac.uk>
as newsreaders can retrieve posts by this id.
No need to poke around in a newsgroups looking for a post.  :-)

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Hello:
	 I'm from Ecuador, i'm in a projet and i need to compile
install and configure pine in a sun and risc ,
i get yours files but when i intend to compile theirs need to 
compile whit cc compiler , in my site we have gcc compiler.

I want to know if there are pine3.94 that use the gcc compiler
or if you know how i must do for yous files use the gcc compiler


i need an urgente answer cause my time is just over , plese help me


grettings
LEOPOLDO


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Rick Troxel (rick@helix.nih.gov) wrote:
: This behavior is ordinarily controlled by the value of
: last-time-prune-questioned in your .pinerc file.  I would investigate
: whether this file has become read-only and/or whether
: last-time-prune-questioned has been set in your system's pine.conf.fixed
: file.

Thank you Rick. My .pinerc file was owned by root. I changed the 
ownership and now everything is working fine.

Dan


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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Leopoldo Del Salto - FIEC (00905927) wrote:

> Hello:
> 	 I'm from Ecuador, i'm in a projet and i need to compile
> install and configure pine in a sun and risc ,
> i get yours files but when i intend to compile theirs need to 
> compile whit cc compiler , in my site we have gcc compiler.
> 
> I want to know if there are pine3.94 that use the gcc compiler
> or if you know how i must do for yous files use the gcc compiler
The building should work with gcc, I used that myself. Do this:

Around line 140 in build should be line similiar to this:
     *) makeargs="CC=cc $makeargs" ;;

Modify it to say:
     *) makeargs="CC=gcc $makeargs" ;;


And run build again. :)



JuhaS



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calguire@freenet.msp.mn.us (Tony Calguire):
> What is it called when the upper-ASCII characters in a message get 
> converted into their hex values, preceeded by equal signs (=7F =AB =FF)?  
> Does this type of encoding/escaping have an official name?

"Quoted printable"

> Are there any simple utilities that can decode this kind message?

qpdecode:
perl -pe 's/\=([0-9A-Fa-f]{2})/chr(hex($1))/ge; s/\=\n//;'

qpencode:
#!/usr/bin/perl -p
s/([^\> n\t -~]|[ \t]$)/'='.sprin> tf("%02X",ord($1))/ge;s/(> .{70}[^=\n]{2})/$1=\n/;

Sven

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In-Reply-To: Farid Hamjavar's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:33:52 -0600


   AIX-4.1.4
   PINE-3.94

   Compiling 3.94 on aix4.1 (build a41) produces
   tons of errors and finally hangs and never finishes!
   (using a32 is not any better,  it also hangs and generates a lot of 
   errors).

I have no solution as I get the same results on a41.
osf, hp, sgi, ult, sun and sol compiles just fine.
(sol demanded . in path though, no other did)

If you find a solution I'm very happy if this group gets notified!

Also there is a bug in Pine after v3.91; multilingual characters are
not sorted correctly. Or as the answer from the pine dev. group stated
"Not sorted at all". (Sort by subject).

Regards,

Kjell Andresen, systems administrator, University of Oslo, Norway
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-Kjell


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Date: 19 Jun 1996 19:44:09 -0400
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I'd like to know if their are any differences between the c-client
library distributed with pine 3.94 and that bundled with pine 3.93. 
If necessary, of course, I can diff each of the individual files
between two version distributions. I'll do this if necessary. However,
it would be nice to get a response about this from those more involved
with the software development and maintenance of pine.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Steven McElwee

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>From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu  Wed Jun 19 17:22:53 1996
>Subject: disable local address expansion?
>To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
>Word-Of-The-Day: zoo
>
>We want do our local user address expansion at sendmail time, and not have
>pine add the qualified host address to everyone's login, be it a single
>address message, a message to an addressbook list, or whatever. Has anyone
>else done this and if so, could you send me context diffs, pointers to
>config file changes if possible, etc?

I feel like I'm talking to myself. We have a couple Dec Alpha machines
configured to look like one email address to our users. Unfortunately,
stock pine out of the box chooses to fully qualify everyone's address
as alpha1.csd.uwm.edu or alpha2.csd.uwm.edu instead of just csd.uwm.edu,
which is what would show up if pine just let sendmail worry about
qualifying addresses.

Needless to say, I found in init.c where it looks for the hostname and I
clobbered it to return csd.uwm.edu whenever it looks for localhost, which
at the moment looks like it might even work.


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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Dave Rasmussen <dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu>
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Subject: Re: disable local address expansion?
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To make a change from my usual suggestion that people look in the code
when wanting to reconfigure such things... :-)

Try looking in the Setup Configuration screen at a couple of options that
should let you do exactly what you want without any changes to the source
code.  You'll only need to use one of them: decide which is best for your
environment, then set it up in the systemwide default files (and in the
"fixed" systemwide defaults file if you don't want to let users override 
it in their personal settings).

Of interest to you...

----------
        OPTION: Use-Only-Domain-Name

This option is used only if the "user-domain" option is *not* set.  If set
to "Yes" (and user-domain is not used), then Pine strips the hostname from
your return ("From") address and when completing unqualified addresses
that you enter into the composer. 

If you set this, see also the "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" feature. 
----------
        OPTION: User-Domain

This value specifies the domain part (right-hand side) of your return
address on outgoing email and is also used as the default domain for email
composed to a local user.  If unset, Unix Pine will obtain the domain from
the system.  Often this value will be set for your whole site by the
system administrator.

If you set this, see also the "quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file" feature.
----------

So if your machines are all in the "csd.uwm.edu" domain and this is what
you want in the "@ portion" of unqualified e-mail addresses then just set
the "Use-Only-Domain-Name" to "Yes".

However if some of your machines are in a subdomain of "csd.uwm.edu" BUT
they are still to use "csd.uwm.edu" as the "@ portion" then you will
instead need to set "User-Domain" to "csd.uwm.edu".  (Trying to use
"Use-Only-Domain-Name" would result in host.subdomain.csd.uwm.edu using
"@subdomain.csd.uwm.edu" rather than "@csd.uwm.edu".)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Dave Rasmussen wrote:

> >From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu  Wed Jun 19 17:22:53 1996
> >Subject: disable local address expansion?
> >To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
> >Word-Of-The-Day: zoo
> >
> >We want do our local user address expansion at sendmail time, and not have
> >pine add the qualified host address to everyone's login, be it a single
> >address message, a message to an addressbook list, or whatever. Has anyone
> >else done this and if so, could you send me context diffs, pointers to
> >config file changes if possible, etc?
> 
> I feel like I'm talking to myself. We have a couple Dec Alpha machines
> configured to look like one email address to our users. Unfortunately,
> stock pine out of the box chooses to fully qualify everyone's address
> as alpha1.csd.uwm.edu or alpha2.csd.uwm.edu instead of just csd.uwm.edu,
> which is what would show up if pine just let sendmail worry about
> qualifying addresses.
> 
> Needless to say, I found in init.c where it looks for the hostname and I
> clobbered it to return csd.uwm.edu whenever it looks for localhost, which
> at the moment looks like it might even work.
> 



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Hi,

I brought up an IMAP4 server on my Linux internet server, and an
appropriate IMAP4 client (Pine 3.94) on my Win95 laptop.  Okay, so I am
convinced that IMAP4 kicks POP3 butt for online mail manipulation of remote
and local maildrops.  Nowever, I cannot determine how to do offline replies
on the Win95 client box without resorting to tedious saving of messages to
plain text files, editing each reply in, say, Notepad, then waiting for my
next internet connection to import each text file, edit headers, and send
them off manually one at a time.  Please tell me there is a less painful
way to do this.  Is Pine the answer, or should I try Simeon or Embla?

Best regards,

--
valerie@savina.com


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Valerie Lambert <valerie@ftp.netgate.net>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Offline composition/replies possible?
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Valerie,
Pine does not yet support offline mode; it's planned for a future release.

I haven't kept up on which IMAP clients support offline and disconnected
operation, but one that does disconnected (the best of both worlds between
online and offline) is Sun's Roam client: 
 http://www.sun.com/solstice/Networking-products/sims/index.html

-teg

On 20 Jun 1996, Valerie Lambert wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I brought up an IMAP4 server on my Linux internet server, and an
> appropriate IMAP4 client (Pine 3.94) on my Win95 laptop.  Okay, so I am
> convinced that IMAP4 kicks POP3 butt for online mail manipulation of remote
> and local maildrops.  Nowever, I cannot determine how to do offline replies
> on the Win95 client box without resorting to tedious saving of messages to
> plain text files, editing each reply in, say, Notepad, then waiting for my
> next internet connection to import each text file, edit headers, and send
> them off manually one at a time.  Please tell me there is a less painful
> way to do this.  Is Pine the answer, or should I try Simeon or Embla?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> --
> valerie@savina.com
> 



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Hi can I set Pine to filter out unwanted messages...I have the senders 
name but don't know how to block, can anyone help?
Thanks 
C-Ann



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If you are talking about e-mail messages...

...you can't do this with *any* mail reading program (they are for reading
messages AFTER they have been delivered).  Instead you need to persuade
the mail *delivery* software on your computer to redirect/junk the
messages as they arrive.  Typically this is done using a UNIX program such
as "procmail" or "filter".  Ask your local Help Desk which, if any, of
these are available on your system and how to use them.

If you are talking about Usenet News messages...

...you can't (the current version of Pine doesn't support "kill files").

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Carolann Mercer wrote:

> Hi can I set Pine to filter out unwanted messages...I have the senders 
> name but don't know how to block, can anyone help?
> Thanks 
> C-Ann
> 



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In article <Pine.OSF.3.93.960618034700.13495A-100000@atlantis.chula.edu>
Suwat Panitkullawat <gc718390@atlantis.chula.edu> writes:

   Can anyone point me to eliminate this problem.  Normally, PINE will ask
   user whether he want to move sent-mail to sent-mail-???-??? or not on
   every new month.  If user say no, this message will disappear until next 
   month.  

   But On my system if user say 'No'  it will ask this same question
   everytime he use pine again!!  So this mean If I don't want to move the
   folder, I have to answer 'No' everytime I use PINE,  Oh help me please.. 
   Any suggestion would be highly appreciated.

This behavior is ordinarily controlled by the value of
last-time-prune-questioned in your .pinerc file.  I would investigate
whether this file has become read-only and/or whether
last-time-prune-questioned has been set in your system's pine.conf.fixed
file.

In the latter case your system administrator would have to fix the
problem.

Hope this helps,
--
Rick Troxel  Rick_Troxel@nih.gov   rick@helix.nih.gov  301/435-2983
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Are you using unmodified Pine 3.94 sources?

I'm a bit surprised that you're having this problem, since it tends to
imply that your system has two definitions of iovec?!  [We no longer
define it as of 3.94]

-- Mark --

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Subject: Pine 3.94 patches for DG/UX
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:53:26 -0400
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The below patches make pine 3.94 work beautifully on DG/UX, 4.11, m88k.
I believe it should also work for Intel DG/UX systems, but not so sure
about pre-4.11 boxes, especially pre 3.10.

To apply this patch, unzip and untar the pine distribution from 
ftp.cac.washington.edu, then cd into pine3.94, and finally pipe this file
into patch (make sure to use the -p option.)

For example:

  zcat pine3.94.tar.gz | tar xvof -    # zcat comes standard on 4.11 now
  cd pine3.94
  cat thispatchfile | patch -p

*OR* if you lack the patch program, you can grab the edited files and 
park them manually in place from ftp://hopi.dtcc.edu/pub/dgux/pine/
and place them in

   imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c
   imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile
   pine/makefile.d-g
   pine/osdep/os-sv4.h

When you are all done, simply "./build d-g" to hopefully get a successful
pine compile.  (I also put a binary of patch in that directory too,
if you need it.)

Note that this is tested with DG/UX 4.11 under 88k platform. The utime()
controversy still exists "unconditionally" for 88k boxes and can be set to
work the same weird way with intel boxes iff you #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR,
which I did in this patch.  The symptom of this not working right will be
weird messages when quitting pine that the folder time was changed but no
changes were found (paraphrased greatly) and folder times of Dec 31, 1969


*** imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c.orig	Fri Jun 21 11:44:23 1996
--- imap/ANSI/c-client/os_d-g.c	Fri Jun 21 11:45:07 1996
***************
*** 36,39 ****
--- 36,41 ----
  #include "tcp_unix.h"		/* must be before osdep includes tcp.h */
  #include "mail.h"
+ #define _USEC_UTIME_FLAVOR
+ #include <utime.h>
  #include "osdep.h"
  #include <stdio.h>
***************
*** 48,56 ****
  extern int errno;		/* just in case */
  #include <pwd.h>
- #include <utime.h>
  #include "misc.h"
  
! char *crypt (char *key,char *salt);
! 
  
  #include "fs_unix.c"
--- 50,56 ----
  extern int errno;		/* just in case */
  #include <pwd.h>
  #include "misc.h"
  
! #define setpgrp setpgrp2
  
  #include "fs_unix.c"
*** pine/makefile.d-g.orig	Fri Jun 21 11:50:42 1996
--- pine/makefile.d-g	Fri Jun 21 11:51:00 1996
***************
*** 50,54 ****
  OPTIMIZE=    # -O
  PROFILE=     # -pg
! DEBUG=       -g -DDEBUG
  
  IMAPDIR=     ../c-client
--- 50,54 ----
  OPTIMIZE=    # -O
  PROFILE=     # -pg
! DEBUG=       # -g # -DDEBUG
  
  IMAPDIR=     ../c-client
***************
*** 59,63 ****
  LIBES=       $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES)
  
! STDCFLAGS=   -Dconst= -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE
  CFLAGS=      $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS)
  
--- 59,63 ----
  LIBES=       $(EXTRALIBES) $(LOCLIBES) $(STDLIBES)
  
! STDCFLAGS=   -DSV4 -DSYSTYPE=\"D-G\" -DMOUSE
  CFLAGS=      $(OPTIMIZE) $(PROFILE) $(DEBUG) $(EXTRACFLAGS) $(STDCFLAGS)
  
*** imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile.orig	Fri Jun 21 11:52:55 1996
--- imap/ANSI/c-client/Makefile	Fri Jun 21 11:56:48 1996
***************
*** 131,135 ****
  		ACTIVEFILE=/local/news/active NEWSSPOOL=/var/spool/news \
  		RSH=remsh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/remsh \
! 		CFLAGS="-g -Dconst= -DNFSKLUDGE $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true
  
  dpx:	# Bull DPX/2
--- 131,135 ----
  		ACTIVEFILE=/local/news/active NEWSSPOOL=/var/spool/news \
  		RSH=remsh RSHPATH=/usr/bin/remsh \
! 		CFLAGS="-g -DNFSKLUDGE $(EXTRACFLAGS)" RANLIB=true
  
  dpx:	# Bull DPX/2
*** pine/osdep/os-sv4.h.orig	Fri Jun 21 13:07:32 1996
--- pine/osdep/os-sv4.h	Fri Jun 21 13:08:00 1996
***************
*** 280,284 ****
--- 280,289 ----
  
  
+ /*-------- For DG/UX systems, define setpgrp to be setpgrp2 -------------*/
+ #ifdef DGUX
+ #define setpgrp setpgrp2
+ #endif
  
+ 
  /*
   * Choose one of the following three terminal drivers

-- 
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mwe@unixfe.cc.rl.ac.uk (Mike Ellwood):
> Is there an easy way to convert elm alias.text entries to
> pine addressbook entries?

awk '{print $1,"=",$2,$3,"=",$4}' .addressbook | tr "," ";"

> Apologies if this is a FAQ.

It is.  It should be in the FAQs.
If it isn't then it's about time!

Sven



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Hello
	Now when i compile pine i have this message

If CCMD library is not available, ms will not be made.
This is alright since ms is only a demonstration program.
../../../ccmd directory not found, so make.ms is ignored 

What is the meaning of these , my version is  pine 3.94 
This version have this problem?
May be i need other version?

Please help me

thanks 
LEOPOLDO


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If you are using the Solaris operating system (SVR4), try:
	build gso
to build using gcc.

On 21 Jun 1996, Leopoldo Del Salto - FIEC (00905927) wrote:
> Hello:
> 	 I'm from Ecuador, i'm in a projet and i need to compile
> install and configure pine in a sun and risc ,
> i get yours files but when i intend to compile theirs need to 
> compile whit cc compiler , in my site we have gcc compiler.
> 
> I want to know if there are pine3.94 that use the gcc compiler
> or if you know how i must do for yous files use the gcc compiler
> 
> 
> i need an urgente answer cause my time is just over , plese help me
> 
> 
> grettings
> LEOPOLDO
> 
> 

-- Mark --

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:21:06 -0700 (PDT)
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To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: What is pilot?
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What is Pilot, and how can I compile it? 

-Li Tao
ltao@jell.fullerton.edu






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Hi there,

Quick question.

Currently I use pine and have accounts on many different computer
systems. I would like, however, to keep a central archive of all of my
mail, at least all of my outgoing mail. Is there anyway to put a blind
carbon copy in a configuration file such as .pinerc which will do this?

Currently I am just manually doing a bcc everytime I send an email, is
there any easier way of doing this?

Mike


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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Mark Crispin wrote:

> Are you using unmodified Pine 3.94 sources?

Yes.

> 
> I'm a bit surprised that you're having this problem, since it tends to
> imply that your system has two definitions of iovec?!  [We no longer
> define it as of 3.94]

Boy, that is strange.  Any ideas on how I can investigate this further?  
I've had a couple of problems building other software packages 
(xanim27062 and findutils-4.1), and I haven't figured out if the 
problem was also related to iovec, but by far the majority of packages 
that I install have no problems with the build.

I would really appreciate any suggestions...

> 
> -- Mark --
> 
> DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> 
> 
> 


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Date: 19 Jun 1996 12:13:55 -0400

This is probably a REALLY stupid question, but what the hey...

I currently use pine 3.94 to check my mail via POP3, using the line:

incoming-folders=valgamon {megahits.com/pop3}

in my .pinerc file. When I used to use pine for local mail on the same
machine, it would automatically alert me when I received new mail, I
didn't have to check for it every couple of minutes. Now that I've got it
set up to use pop3, it doesn't do that anymore. I have to hit TAB from my
inbox every once in a while to see if new mail has arrived. This gets
really annoying after a while.

	Does anyone know how to make pine automatically check pop3 boxes
for newly-arrived mail? Like, once every 30 seconds or something?? tnx.
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From: steven@oit.duke.edu (Steven McElwee)
Subject: MIME attachments, solaris 2.3, pine 3.93
Date: 19 Jun 1996 20:53:13 -0400
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For several weeks, we've been testing pine 3.93 on several solaris 2.3 sun 
systems and have encountered some difficulty in viewing and sending
MIME attachments. The latter problem is as follows:

1. In the compose message window, the name of a valid ascii text file
is typed after the "attchmnt:" rfc822 header.

2. The message is sent.

3. A highlighted bar appears at the bottom of the window that reads
like this:
		[Sending mail |		0%]
Pine hangs. The highlighted header remains parked at "0%" and is never
updated. The pine process has to be killed in order to regain the shell prompt.

4. Before the process is killed, a scan of the process table reveals
the following:

 root@hector# ps -ef | egrep 'pine|sendmail'
  steven 16320 16317 19 19:52:21 pts/13   0:00 /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -t
  steven 16317 16307 80 19:50:45 pts/13   0:02 pine393

This indicates that a pipe to /usr/lib/sendmail was opened.

5. Relevant lines from the .pine-debug1 file obtained from running
pine 3.93 at debug level 9 are:

====== context_mailbox: (sent-mail)
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
Sending mail...
busy_alarm(1, Sending mail, 1120a8, 1)
q_status_message(Sending mail |          |)
output_message(Sending mail |          |)
STATUS cmd:120, max:1, min0
call_mailer: via pipe
Opening pipe: "/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -t" (WRNP)
PID: 16328, COMMAND: /usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem -t
alarm_signal()
alarm_signal()
    ...

NOTE: the "alarm_signal()" continues indefinitely until the process is
killed. 


	A similar test was performed with pine 3.91. No problems were 
encountered with sending an attachment. Pine 3.91 was also configured
to open a pipe to /usr/lib/sendmail with the same identical flags. The
sendmail program was not changed in any way. The sendmail daemon has
been running reliably for months now. I strongly doubt that there is a
problem here. I did not spot any problems with our mailcap or mime.types
files either. Any ideas or helpful suggestions about this are much
appreciated.

	The problem we experienced with viewing a MIME attachment
involved an rfc822 email message containing an embedded gif file
(image/gif MIME type) rather than a plain ascii text file. This email
message, along with the image/gif attachment, was originally generated
with pine 3.91 . Prior to trying to view the attachment with pine
3.93, it was first successfully viewed with pine 3.91. In other words,
the correct helper application was launched by pine 3.91. 

	When viewing pine 3.93, the gif file was displayed with the
correct helper application. However, after displaying the file, pine
3.93 dumped core and exited. This behavior, radically opposite from
that of pine 3.91, was observed with either of the following entries
in  ~/.mailcap:

		image/*; showpicture -viewer xv %s
or, alternatively,
		image/*; xv %s; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"

Relevant lines from the .pine-debug1 file generated from level 9 debug
mode are:

- mc_get_command(Image/GIF) -
mc_ctype_match: trying entry audio/* for Image/GIF
mc_ctype_match: trying entry image/* for Image/GIF
- mc_passes_test -
no test command, so Pass
mc_get_command: type=Image/GIF, command=showpicture -viewer xv %s
- mc_cmd_bldr -
built command: showpicture -viewer xv /usr/tmp/img-GIF015656
cancel_busy_alarm(-1)
exec_mailcap_cmd: command=(showpicture -viewer xv /usr/tmp/img-GIF015656 ; \
rm -f /usr/tmp/img-GIF015656) & (Note: this line is a continuation of \
								above line)

Opening pipe: "(showpicture -viewer xv /usr/tmp/img-GIF015656 ; rm -f \
/usr/tmp/img-GIF015656) & (Note: this line is a continuation of above line)
" (WT)
PID: 15657, COMMAND: (showpicture -viewer xv /usr/tmp/img-GIF015656 ; \
rm -f /usr    (Note: this line is a continuation of previous line)
/tmp/img-GIF015656) &

new mail called (0 2 0)

	As mentioned previously, i'll be performing similar tests on
pine 3.94 soon. However, i'd find it very helpful to understand why
this does not work. Any ideas are much appreciated.

	Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
Steven McElwee


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On 21 Jun 1996, Jim Chivas wrote:
> Greetings: I have just installed netscape 2.01 and tried using its new 
> email function. Whenever I try to access my POP server from the pine 
> distribution system I get the UIDL error message. Can anyone tell me what 
> I need to do to get UIDL?

To get UIDL functionality, substitute the ipop3d server from
	ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/mail/imap-4.tar.Z
in place of the one that is bundled with Pine.

You can also use the IMAP4 imapd that is with this version, although you
won't get any greater capability with Pine from doing so.

-- Mark --

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:56:38 -0700
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We plan to implement nested folders in Pine 4.... 

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

On 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:

> From: Paul E Kayak <edit@bluemarble.net>
> Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: nested folders in a mail program? (fwd)
> Date: 7 Jun 1996 10:03:40 -0700
> Organization: PSGnet mail to news gate
> Sender: nobody@psg.com
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960607115510.26290K-100000@shooter.bluemarble.net>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.psg.com
> X-M2n: psg.com
> 
> For those of us who keep large amounts of correspondence - who could
> use nested (contained-in-more-contained...) folders:  any hope soon?
> 
> Or is it to extract and take it off PINE?  /But Emacs perhaps....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Date: 21 Jun 1996 20:25:41 GMT
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Has anyone clue when 3.95 will be out? The current one has an annoying bug in 
setting the "N" (new) mark for messages in in my inbox, it usually uses to
mark as New even those messages which I already have read, but did not deleted
yet (fyi: my inbox has aprox 1000 messages inside).


Adam
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Can anyone offer pointers on what the problem is here and how to fix it?  
Here's what I did to compile:

1) dnld and untar/unzip from /usr2/local/src
2) read stuff.
3) said build clean
4) said build lnx

and this is what I got after the compiler chugged away for awhile:

<snip>
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c ttyout.c -o ttyout.o
cd osdep; make includer os-lnx.c; cd ..
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
cc -o includer includer.c
./includer < os-lnx.ic > os-lnx.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
rm -f os.c
ln -s osdep/os-lnx.c os.c
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c os.c -o os.o
os.c: In function `canonical_name':
os.c:1013: warning: return discards `const' from pointer target type
os.c: In function `post_reap':
os.c:1740: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer type
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a'.  Stop.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory
size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory
text    data    bss     dec     hex     filename
262112  12288   2828    277228  43aec   bin/pico
262112  12288   2724    277124  43a84   bin/pilot
Done
darkstar:/usr2/local/src/pine3.94# 


So it seems that pine, mtest, imapd were not built.

Any ideas?  Thanks!


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Hi all-

I just wanted to see if anyone can tell me exactly what needs to be fixed
here.  At the bottom of this message is a copy of a message I posted to
usenet a couple of days ago with no response yet, and then I was browsing
the Pine Discussion Forum Archives and found a very similar problem so I
thought I'd include it for reference. 

The similar article follows immediately:

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To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu 
      Subject: Re: Help me compile PINE 3.92 for Linux 
      From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> 
      Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:35:11 -0800 
      In-Reply-To: <4k5m90$mj1@mn5.swip.net> 
      References: <4jvng3$qem@sdaw04.seinf.abb.se> 
<4k5m90$mj1@mn5.swip.net> 
      Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu 



It looks like you have an unusually broken variant of Linux that doesn't
prevent multiple includes of <sys/uio.h>.  Since there are almost as many
variants of Linux as there are Linux systems, I recommend that you either
run our prebuilt binaries or fix your /usr/include/sys/uio.h to have a
wrapper to prevent it from being included more than once.

We define iovec ourselves in the Linux port because older versions of
Linux have the wrong definition (a void * instead of a caddr_t).

On 6 Apr 1996, Martin Wickman wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Apr 1996 06:40:57 GMT, Martin Wickman 
> <martin.wickman@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for replying to my own post, but now I have returned to my beloved
> Linux box at home :-). Here's the errors that make produces. I hope it 
> makes
> sense to anyone. Again, please help me:
> 
> In file included from /usr/include/linux/socket.h:6,
>                  from /usr/include/sys/socket.h:5,
>                  from os_lnx.c:42:
> /usr/include/linux/uio.h:18: redefinition of `struct iovec'
> writev.c: In function `safe_writev':
> In file included from env_unix.c:68,
>                  from os_lnx.c:56:
> writev.c:63: warning: passing arg 2 of `writev' from incompatible 
> pointer type
[snipped for brevity]

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My problem is very similar, but that's not obvious from the paste that I
included in the original usenet message, because I didn't paste enough of
the output from make.  Here I correct that, and include what seems to be
the relevant output, and from this you'll see the similarity.  My question
is:  Exactly what do I need to do to fix this "unusually broken variant of
Linux that doesn't prevent multiple includes of <sys/uio.h>"???? 

Is it a library thing or what?  I ask not only because I would like to
build it on my system (sure, I know I could get the binary, but I'd really
rather build it -- it's a principle thing I guess), but also because I
seem to be suffering from a number of build problems in attempting to
install other software too, and if I have an "unusually broken variant of
Linux", then I'd like to fix it.

Anyway, here is the relevant output from make.  The reason that I pasted
all of it this time is that there are several serious-sounding compiler
warnings that occur before the mention of uio.h, and I was wondering if
they are indicative of other problems. 

Here it is:



darkstar:/usr2/local/src/pine3.94# build lnx
make args are "CC=cc "

ln: c-client: File exists
ln: imapd: File exists
Making c-client library, mtest and imapd
make build SYSTYPE=ANSI OS=lnx
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap'
echo lnx > OSTYPE
rm -rf systype
ln -s ANSI systype
cd ANSI/c-client; make lnx
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make mtest OS=lnx EXTRADRIVERS="" \
        STDPROTO=bezerkproto MAILSPOOL=/var/spool/mail \
        ACTIVEFILE=/usr/lib/news/active NEWSSPOOL=/var/spool/news \
        RSHPATH=/usr/bin/rsh CFLAGS="-g -O -DNFSKLUDGE "
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap/ANSI/c-client'
./drivers  imap nntp pop3 mh tenex mtx mmdf bezerk news phile dummy
rm -f CCTYPE CFLAGS LDFLAGS osdep.h
echo cc > CCTYPE
echo -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE  > CFLAGS
echo   > LDFLAGS
ln -s os_lnx.h osdep.h
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c mail.c -o mail.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c bezerk.c -o bezerk.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c mtx.c -o mtx.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c tenex2.c -o tenex2.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c mbox.c -o mbox.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c mh.c -o mh.o
mh.c: In function `mh_ping':
mh.c:810: warning: passing arg 3 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer type
mh.c:810: warning: passing arg 4 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer type
mh.c: In function `mh_append':
mh.c:1052: warning: passing arg 3 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer type
mh.c:1052: warning: passing arg 4 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer type
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c mmdf.c -o mmdf.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c imap2.c -o imap2.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c pop3.c -o pop3.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c news.c -o news.o
news.c: In function `news_open':
news.c:312: warning: passing arg 3 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer 
type
news.c:312: warning: passing arg 4 of `scandir' from incompatible pointer 
type
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c nntpcunx.c -o nntpcunx.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c phile.c -o phile.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c dummy.c -o dummy.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c smtp.c -o smtp.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c nntp.c -o nntp.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c rfc822.c -o rfc822.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE    -c misc.c -o misc.o
cc -g -O -DNFSKLUDGE  -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto 
-DMAILSPOOL=\"/var/spool/mail\" \
-DACTIVEFILE=\"/usr/lib/news/active\" -DNEWSSPOOL=\"/var/spool/news\" \
-DRSH=\"rsh\" -DRSHPATH=\"/usr/bin/rsh\" \
 -c os_lnx.c
In file included from /usr/include/linux/socket.h:6,
                 from /usr/include/sys/socket.h:5,
                 from os_lnx.c:42:
/usr/include/linux/uio.h:18: redefinition of `struct iovec'
env_unix.c: In function `env_init':
In file included from os_lnx.c:56:
env_unix.c:258: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from 
pointer target type
tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_open':
In file included from os_lnx.c:58:
tcp_unix.c:216: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from 
pointer target type
tcp_unix.c: In function `tcp_aopen':
tcp_unix.c:293: warning: passing arg 1 of `cpystr' discards `const' from 
pointer target type
make[3]: *** [osdep.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make[2]: *** [lnx] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap/ANSI/c-client'
make[1]: *** [build] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/imap'
make: *** [lnx] Error 2

Making Pico and Pilot
rm -f osdep.c
cp os_unix.c osdep.c
rm -f osdep.h
cp os_unix.h osdep.h
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE attach.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE ansi.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE basic.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE bind.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE browse.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE buffer.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE composer.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE display.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE file.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE fileio.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE line.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE osdep.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE pico.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE random.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE region.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE search.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE spell.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE tcap.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE window.c
cc -c  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE word.c
ar ru libpico.a attach.o ansi.o basic.o bind.o browse.o buffer.o 
composer.o display.o file.o fileio.o line.o osdep.o pico.o random.o 
region.o search.o spell.o tcap.o window.o word.o
ar: creating libpico.a
ranlib libpico.a
cc  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE main.c libpico.a  -ltermcap -o 
pico
cc  -g -Dlnx -DPOSIX -DJOB_CONTROL -DMOUSE pilot.c libpico.a  -ltermcap 
-o pilot

Making Pine.
rm -f os.h
ln -s osdep/os-lnx.h os.h
./cmplhlp2.sh  < pine.hlp > helptext.h
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c addrbook.c -o 
addrbook.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c adrbklib.c -o 
adrbklib.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c args.c -o args.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c context.c -o context.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c filter.c -o filter.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c folder.c -o folder.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c help.c -o help.o
./cmplhelp.sh  < pine.hlp > helptext.c
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c helptext.c -o 
helptext.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c imap.c -o imap.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c init.c -o init.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c mailcap.c -o mailcap.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c mailcmd.c -o mailcmd.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c mailindx.c -o 
mailindx.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c mailpart.c -o 
mailpart.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c mailview.c -o 
mailview.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c newmail.c -o newmail.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c other.c -o other.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c pine.c -o pine.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c reply.c -o reply.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c screen.c -o screen.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c send.c -o send.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c signals.c -o signals.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c status.c -o status.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c strings.c -o strings.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c ttyin.c -o ttyin.o
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c ttyout.c -o ttyout.o
cd osdep; make includer os-lnx.c; cd ..
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
cc -o includer includer.c
./includer < os-lnx.ic > os-lnx.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
rm -f os.c
ln -s osdep/os-lnx.c os.c
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c os.c -o os.o
os.c: In function `canonical_name':
os.c:1013: warning: return discards `const' from pointer target type
os.c: In function `post_reap':
os.c:1740: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer type
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a'.  Stop.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory
size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory
text    data    bss     dec     hex     filename
262112  12288   2828    277228  43aec   bin/pico
262112  12288   2724    277124  43a84   bin/pilot
Done
darkstar:/usr2/local/src/pine3.94# 




___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

Life is a POPULARITY CONTEST!  I'm REFRESHINGLY CANDID!!

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:54:56 +0000
From: Kevin S. Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil>
Newgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: Problems building pine 3.94

Can anyone offer pointers on what the problem is here and how to fix it?  
Here's what I did to compile:

1) dnld and untar/unzip from /usr2/local/src
2) read stuff.
3) said build clean
4) said build lnx

and this is what I got after the compiler chugged away for awhile:

<snip>
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c ttyout.c -o ttyout.o
cd osdep; make includer os-lnx.c; cd ..
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
cc -o includer includer.c
./includer < os-lnx.ic > os-lnx.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr2/local/src/pine3.94/pine/osdep'
rm -f os.c
ln -s osdep/os-lnx.c os.c
cc   -g -DDEBUG  -DLNX -DSYSTYPE=\"LNX\" -DMOUSE   -c os.c -o os.o
os.c: In function `canonical_name':
os.c:1013: warning: return discards `const' from pointer target type
os.c: In function `post_reap':
os.c:1740: warning: passing arg 2 of `waitpid' from incompatible pointer type
make: *** No rule to make target `../c-client/c-client.a'.  Stop.

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/pine: No such file or directory
size: bin/mtest: No such file or directory
size: bin/imapd: No such file or directory
text    data    bss     dec     hex     filename
262112  12288   2828    277228  43aec   bin/pico
262112  12288   2724    277124  43a84   bin/pilot
Done
darkstar:/usr2/local/src/pine3.94# 


So it seems that pine, mtest, imapd were not built.

Any ideas?  Thanks!


___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
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I smell like a wet reducing clinic on Columbus Day!

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________






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Hallo guys

In many messages of me pine in the attches at the end of some lines a
"=20" sequence. I assuemed it was incompatibility with other mail programs
but since it appered in a failed massage I ask my self is it a bug of pine
3.91 or is it a configuration error. 

Does any body have the same problem. I am using pine3.91 on a AIX 4.1.4 
maschine. With the teminals run on Macintosh, PC or HPIX.

I would appiciate replys as PM.

 Bye

            Uwe
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References: <4q6meg$hsj@babbage.ece.uc.edu> <Pine.HPP.3.93.960619180424.12831K-100000@visla.utia.cas.cz>

In article <Pine.HPP.3.93.960619180424.12831K-100000@visla.utia.cas.cz>,
Vladimir Solnicky <vs@utia.cas.cz> wrote:
>sed -e 's/@/****/g'
>
>`Smarter' solution counting th eactual column requires more programming.

There may already be a command "expand" in your system which does this
smarter counting. I use to pipe through that whenever I have used <tab>s
in a message.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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Is it possible for me to cancel an e-mail message once I've sent it?

I am just wondering.  Sometimes when you send a message, you get a 
message back sometime later indicating that there was trouble delivering 
the e-mail.  It says that it was unable to deliver in the last four 
hours, but it would keep trying.

What if it happened that you decided you did not want that e-mail message 
to get through anyway?  You changed your mind.  Can you stop Pine from 
trying to deliver the message?


- Adam


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In article <Dsw07s.9GB.4.relay.ga.unc@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>,
jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us (John Davis) has written:
>I seem to be getting conflicting signals as to whether Pine 3.93 supports
>POP3 or not? I am running PC-Pine. I didn't think it did, but then I've seen
>articles posted to this newsgroup that showed folks using a hostname of the
>form {hostname/pop3}. I tried this and it didn't work. I'd love to use
>PC-Pine as my main mail program but with IMAP it is totally worthless. I have
>access to three different ISP's and none of them support IMAP. All support
>POP3 though.
>
=============================================================================

Pine/2 on OS/2 supports POP3 perfectly.

-- 
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I'm testing Pine 3.94 to upgrade the pine 3.91 our site uses.  I've
found that pine 3.94 generates .pine-debug files by default, which our
old 3.91 doesn't.  Is there any easy way to make it stop doing this
(with disable-default-in-bug-report?), or via modifying source code?

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From: Juha Suhonen <juhas@bassie.info.tampere.fi>
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On 20 Jun 1996, Omar Siddique wrote:

> Date: 20 Jun 1996 14:30:27 -0400
> From: Omar Siddique <omar@umbc.edu>
> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
> Subject: Getting pine 3.94 to not generate .pine-debug messages
> 
> I'm testing Pine 3.94 to upgrade the pine 3.91 our site uses.  I've
> found that pine 3.94 generates .pine-debug files by default, which our
> old 3.91 doesn't.  Is there any easy way to make it stop doing this
> (with disable-default-in-bug-report?), or via modifying source code?

Yes there is, by modifying the source..
In directory pine/osdep are various os-???.h -files, modify the one your
system uses.

There should be line:
#define DEFAULT_DEBUG 2

Modify it to read
#define DEFAULT_DEBUG 0

and recompile with build ??? .



JuhaS

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This message is a poll I have to make for the NACSE : 
The Northwest Alliance for Computational Science and Engineering.

Thank you for taking some time to answer these few questions. By answering, you will help the scientist community have a better view of email users' wills.

Send your answer to :
chatres@ucs.orst.edu

=========================================================

1. What e-mail program do you use? Why?







2. What e-mail program do you hate? why?







3. What facilities does the program you use have that you really like?








4. What would you like for an improvement?








Thank you. 


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I use pine to read my news, and there is just one thing that I don't like
in it:

If I read a newsgroup, find an interesting message and I want to reply to
it, pine checks if the newsgroup is valid! Of course it is, I'm _just
reading_ it! And that check takes a LONG time with dialup-access.. Can
this be turned off easily? And how??



JuhaS



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I know this isn't exactly the right place for this question, but I'm sure 
somebody here can answer it.

What is it called when the upper-ASCII characters in a message get 
converted into their hex values, preceeded by equal signs (=7F =AB =FF)?  
Does this type of encoding/escaping have an official name?  Are there any 
simple utilities that can decode this kind message?  Are there any Usenet 
newsgroups where I could ask questions about this type of encoding?

Thanks.



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I've built 3.94 on HPUX 10.10 both ANSI and non-ANSI. In either
case when I try to send a text attachment that is greater than 
30KB (and perhaps less, I haven't found the limit yet) pine 
hangs during the send process and I eventuall have to kill -9.

Multiple smaller attachments work fine.

The busy indicator comes up but does not start.

Same thing happens with either background send on or not on.

Anyone have any ideas? I've sent this off to pine-bugs but I 
understand they are continually swamped.

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Even without background sending, Pine hangs while chatting with sendmail,
which it [3.91] never used to do, especially on a large message.

Anyone else have this problem?  Even better, anyone have a solution.

TIA

Don Sugarman



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	I tried to use Pine. It didn't work!! Instead, it said:
Your terminal, of type "network", is lacking functions needed to run pine.
When I tried to tset the terminal to vt220, it still wouldn't work!! Can someone 
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Do you have a binary decoder that will work with windows 3.11. My 
office has taken it into its head to send data files containing word 
files and pictures etc. as binary files to protect them from possible 
pilfering. Company believes it will prevent possible eavesdropping. Do 
you have a decoder that I can obtain so that I can put these files back 
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You can ignore those build messages.  They are unimportant.  They refer to
a demonstration program, called "ms", that you do not need.  It could not
build that demonstration program.

On 21 Jun 1996, Leopoldo Del Salto - FIEC (00905927) wrote:
> Hello
> 	Now when i compile pine i have this message
> 
> If CCMD library is not available, ms will not be made.
> This is alright since ms is only a demonstration program.
> ../../../ccmd directory not found, so make.ms is ignored 
> 
> What is the meaning of these , my version is  pine 3.94 
> This version have this problem?
> May be i need other version?
> 
> Please help me
> 
> thanks 
> LEOPOLDO
> 
> 

-- Mark --

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On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Li Tao wrote:

> 	I tried to use Pine. It didn't work!! Instead, it said:  Your
> terminal, of type "network", is lacking functions needed to run pine. 
> When I tried to tset the terminal to vt220, it still wouldn't work!! Can
> someone help me?? 

Just calling tset isn't sufficient. Instead, try one of the following
depending on the type of shell you are using:

# C-Shell

   setenv TERM vt220

# Bash or Korn shell

   export TERM=vt220

# Bourne shell (also works for Bash and Korn shell)

   TERM=vt220
   export TERM

This ought to fix the problem.

Regards,

- Richard Gering.

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Whenever I pipe a message to a Unix command, I lose the "  PINE 3.94   "
part of the

  PINE 3.94   MESSAGE TEXT <Subscribed-Gro> comp.mail.pine  Msg 1 of 3 59% NEW

line.  It looks like:

xyxyxyxyxyxyxyMESSAGE TEXT <Subscribed-Gro> comp.mail.pine  Msg 1 of 3 59% NEW

where xyxyxyxyxyxyxy is left over from the result of the pipe command.


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iQCVAwUBMcGIAuBu0383Om6dAQGWTAQAvYfqDxE4iPdrG7Z/zL2PrTNH6+cfQ5xY
7BVDJ8hCsb83QzDsLQrTv+d6X2RLxtkqF0L9tkfDPiUbeSID6YSGZBd4CRPzZgfa
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From: tranhu@JSP.UMontreal.CA (TRAN Huu Da)
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Date: 22 Jun 1996 14:05:53 GMT
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Hi everyone,

As a volunteer, I have been assigned to one task that I just don't know
how to accomplish. I would be much appreciative if someone could point me
to where I should look for if I want to disable Save/Export/Read/etc... to
any files beginning with a '.' (dot). Not being too much familiar with C,
I just can't see where, in the code, nor what to change. 

This would be with Pine3.91

Thanks in advance.

PS: Diff are good... :-)

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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:03:38 -0700
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On 22 Jun 1996, Juha Suhonen wrote:

: On 20 Jun 1996, Omar Siddique wrote:
:
: > Date: 20 Jun 1996 14:30:27 -0400
: > From: Omar Siddique <omar@umbc.edu>
: > To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
: > Subject: Getting pine 3.94 to not generate .pine-debug messages
: >
: > I'm testing Pine 3.94 to upgrade the pine 3.91 our site uses.  I've
: > found that pine 3.94 generates .pine-debug files by default, which our
: > old 3.91 doesn't.  Is there any easy way to make it stop doing this
: > (with disable-default-in-bug-report?), or via modifying source code?
:
: Yes there is, by modifying the source..
: In directory pine/osdep are various os-???.h -files, modify the one your
: system uses.
:
: There should be line:
: #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 2
:
: Modify it to read
: #define DEFAULT_DEBUG 0
:
: and recompile with build ??? .

Or, you can just go into Setup form the Main Menu, Config, scroll down to
the 'q' area and there are a series of 'quell...' commands.  Try checking
those until your messages go away.

James
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When I get into Pine, I would like to COPY all messages to some other file.
I can't find any command to do this.   Can someone help?
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My apologies for any confusion...

I was assuming the enquirer was asking about how to "view headers" and
hence was pointing them to the "enable-full-header-cmd" (which enables the
"H" command to do this).

I justify this assumption on the ground that: a)  this question is asked
far more frequently than "how do I alter the set of headers the viewer
displays by default"; and b) most people asking questions seem to assume
others are adept in mind-reading (as do I, I confess, from time to time) 
so a judicious application of Occam's Razor is often called for. :-)

If the original question was indeed "how do I alter the set of headers the
viewer displays by default" then the "viewer-hdrs" variable is indeed what
is needed (and, unfortunately, won't show up by doing a "W header").

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Beth Peterson wrote:

> Are you talking about the enable-full header-cmd or actually the
> viewer-hdrs?  the viewer-hdrs is located at the bottom of the feature list
> but befor the the saved-msg-name-rule etc... defaults.
> 
> On 10 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > First, a hint...
> > 
> > If you can see/find something in the Configuration screen use the Where
> > (W) command to search for a string, just as you can in a message or index
> > screen.
> > 
> > In particular doing a "W header" takes you straight to the option called
> > "enable-full-header-cmd".  (Then typing a "?" or "^G" displays help about
> > this feature.)
> > 
> > Having turned on this option you can then use the now-available "H"
> > command when viewing a message (or in the Index screen).
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> > Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> > 
> > On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Paul E Kayak wrote:
> > 
> > > Where is the view-header option in config menu?
> 
> Beth Peterson
> bethp@fnal
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Hi,
	How can i set up some alias for pine, althought i can set up 
alias for elm, but these alias doesn't work when i using pine to compose 
mail.
	Thanks.
	David



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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960622124732.22711C-100000@bassie.info.tampere.fi>,
Juha Suhonen <juhas@bassie.info.tampere.fi> wrote:
>If I read a newsgroup, find an interesting message and I want to reply to
>it, pine checks if the newsgroup is valid! Of course it is, I'm _just
>reading_ it! And that check takes a LONG time with dialup-access.. Can
>this be turned off easily? And how??

Yes. Go to Config Setup and check news-post-without-validation.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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When there will be the possibility the use POP3 with PC-Pine ???
I really need it !!!


Steffen Sledz           email:    sledz@DGroup.DE
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Thanks for the information.  :)

-omar



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On 21 Jun 1996, Stephen J. Weihman wrote:

>>In article <4qc5c3$5t1@quack.acs.umbc.edu>,
>>omar@umbc.edu (Omar Siddique) writes:
>>
>>>I'm testing Pine 3.94 to upgrade the pine 3.91 our site uses.  I've
>>>found that pine 3.94 generates .pine-debug files by default, which our
>>>old 3.91 doesn't.  Is there any easy way to make it stop doing this
>>>(with disable-default-in-bug-report?), or via modifying source code?
>>
>>I couldn't find a way to turn it off, except with the command line option
>>below.

	I've set my user profiles with an alias for pine as follows:

alias pine='pine -d0'

	turns it off as per the manual instructions quotes in the
prior follow up.

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In article <Pine.BSI.3.93.960614155716.9073C-100000@terra.igcom.net>,
Dan Roy  <droy@terra.igcom.net> wrote:
>Before I mention my problem I want to say that overall, pine is a very
>good mail reader, pine3.93 has some enhancements that make those of us who
>depend on speech very happy!  getting rid of those overlapping lines from
>screen to screen and the status line messages all the time makes things a
>lot less complicated with unnecessarry chatter.
>
>Anyway the help says that if you set mail checking to 0 it wil nto keep
>telling you every time you have new mail!  This is really a problem since
>it interupts the message your reading with new from so and so regarding
>such and such.  also, if I am writing a message, pause, and a new message
>comes in, I notice that some of the text from the new message is on the
>screen and what I have previously written isn't viewable,  Anyway setting
>the interval to 0 isn't working it is still beeping and chattering away
>about new messages constantly, can anyone help?
>
>
>If possible, please write to me directly, I don't always have time to
>monitor the newsgroup, thanks in advance.
>

Okay here is your problem.  Pine is working perfectly.  The stuff on your
screen is not from pine.  Sounds like a unix system your on and some kind
of mail notification program is running.  The only mailnotification progrma
I know is called biff and it does exactly what you said yours is doing.
So, try dissabling it with the command "biff n" at your unix prompt.
This will only work for that login though.  You will need to make
modifications to your .login and such.  If any of this unix stuff gives you
trouble e-mail me and I will help, but I don't get most of the posts so
e-mail is best for reaching me.

By the way the pine notification is a little you have new mail from thing
tahat appears on the reverse text line below the reading window.  It
doesn't go over any of your message, but you should see this first hand
soon enough.  Good luck.




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From: scancm@biobase.dk (Christian Mondrup)
Subject: Re: QP/8bit problem
Date: 17 Jun 1996 11:53:37 GMT
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Espen Andresen (esa@tgkontor.tollpost.no) wrote:
: Hi!

: Maybe this is a stupid question, but....

: How do I get Pine to use 8bit instead of "Quoted-Printable" without 
: recompiling?  I've searched everywhere in the docs and config files, but 
: can't seem to find it.

: Appreciate all help.

Go to the set up screen and check the enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation 
option

: Sincerely,
: Espen S. Andresen (esa@alf.tollpost.no)
:  


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...would appreciate if if someone would send to me a "cook book" set 
of procedures for setting-up a signature file using Unix-Mac-PINE...

where do I start?  what is the first step?  2nd step, etc.

Or, where can I find this information---to date not able to locate it.

The following signature file is done on Netscape.
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Dr. Jerry R. Aschermann												                                       
Professor Education
Missouri Western State College                                         
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From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: character set problems in pine 3.94
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:50:54 -0400
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On 21 Jun 1996, Herman Van Uytven wrote:

: When I use Pine 3.94 (or Pico) on Windows 3.11 with code page 850
: and in pinerc character-set=ISO-8859-1 there are problems with
: accented characters.  E.g. if I type small e acute accent on my
: keyboard (= E9 in ISO-8859-1), then I get upper case U acute accent
: which is E9 in CP850.
: 
: Do I need to work with ISO_TO_CP and CP_TO_ISO environment variables 
: and corresponding files (does that work) ?
: If so, has someone already composed them.

    The problem is with DOS code page 850.  That code page has all (or
nearly all) of the accented letters in the ISO-8859-1/Latin-1 character
set, BUT NOT IN THE SAME ORDER.  Therefore, if you type E9, you will
get what E9 corresponds to in code page 850, not what E9 corresponds to
in Latin-1.

    What you need is code page 819, which is a true Latin-1 character
set.  DOS code pages for all the ISO-8859-x character sets are
available from a university in Germany.  If you have a World Wide Web
browser, browse my home page (in my signature).  I have a link to that
site, from which you can get the appropriate DOS code pages with
documentation.  (If you do not have WWW access, send me an email, and
maybe we can work something out.)

    However, you say you are using Windows 3.11.  I use Windows very
little and am not an expert on it, but somehow I got the idea that
Windows uses ISO-8859-1 by default, rather than DOS code pages. 
However, I could be mistaken.  Anyway, code page 819 is a true DOS
Latin-1 character set.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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In article <4prt27$a7g@rain.psg.com> greg@dhc1.deehoward.com (Greg
Bassett) writes:

   We are rolling out PINE 3.93 to our 200+ users on an IBM R30 using
   AIX 4.1.3.  We have a variety of terminal types (WYSE 150's, AIXTERM,
   PC's running KERMIT etc).  All of them have been experiencing pine
   locking up at various times.  We seem to be seeing the problems
   mostly when going into the Compose mode from the main menu, or from
   the address book using the COMPOSE TO command.  The users sessions
   just freezes up.  Unfortunately, it is not consistent at all, one
   time it works, the next time it does not.

   Are there any known issues running PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3 that we
   need to be aware of, (fixes per chance?)

You should upgrade.  Pine 3.94 fixed problems of this type that I had
been having under several of the 3.93.x alpha (beta?) releases.

Regards,
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Hi,
	How do I customize my pine so that everytime I reply an email 
message, something like the following will be appended to the original 
message?

On June 13, 1996, some guy from blah@somewhere.com wrotes this:


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Subject: multiple instances of PC Pine?
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I'd like to be able to run a couple instances of PC Pine for
Windows but I get this message: 

  Cannot start more than one copy of the 
  specified program.

Does anyone know of any tricks for getting Pine to run in more
than one Window?  I know about just having multiple telnet
sessions but I'd like to be able to take advantage of the PC Pine
features. 

Pine Developers: Do you have any plans to allow multiple
instances of Pine in the future? 

Thanks,
Nancy




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From: oerjan@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
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Date: 22 Jun 1996 01:01:36 GMT
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In article <31CA6D5F.7BA@delphi.co.uk>,
jerome pimmel  <jerome@delphi.co.uk> wrote:
>Can you set pine somewhere to always have full header command on 
>when viewing received messages.

I guess putting "h" in the initial-keystroke-list in Setup Config
would work.

I don't use that, but I have an "i" there to go directly to the INBOX
when I start pine.

On second thought the "h" command only works in the folder listing, so
you probably need my "i" as well (just put an extra "m" if you don't
like starting in INBOX):

initial-keystroke-list = ih

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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Subject: Re: Converting tab into spaces (Unix Pine 394)?
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:12:22 +0100
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On 20 Jun 1996, Richard Gering wrote:

> I hope I'm not getting too far off topic with this one, but I've included
> a little script I had to write last year to converts TABs into spaces
> while keeping the columns into consideration. Just hand it the original
> tab-stop as an argument ("tab2spc 8").
> 
> The program only works well on clean text-only ASCII files.

While you are on UNIX, why don't you use the `expand' command?

NAME
     expand - convert tabs to spaces

SYNOPSIS
     expand  [-tab1[,tab2[,...]]]  [-t  tab1[,tab2[,...]]]   [-i]
     [--tabs=tab1[,tab2[,...]]]  [--initial] [--help] [--version]
     [file...]


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Dear Folks:

	Help!  I'm trying to find a friend who used a certain terminal at 
a certain time on our net.  Is there a way to get a name through Pine?  
(No access codes or anything private, just a list of those who used pine 
that day.)  Any hints?

					Sincerely
					Tracey

P.S.:  Please feel free to personally reply, since I don't come here that 
	often.
					-T.L.S.



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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:13:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Li Tao <ltao@jell.fullerton.edu>
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Do you know how I can compile and install pine? Do I need the build 
command? The information the technical-notes isn't clear. Can you help?
(I have pine 3.91. I am trying to upgrade it.)

Li Tao
ltao@jell.fullerton.edu




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This new facility works well inside the actual text but not in the To,
Cc, Subject etc. Why? 

****************************
* Daniel M. Wells          *
* Alls Well that ends Well *
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Apologies if this is a FAQ.


Is there an easy way to convert elm alias.text entries to
pine addressbook entries?


TIA


Mike.Ellwood@rl.ac.uk


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Dear administrators and other professionals:

I'm a novice user of PINE.  What I'd like to know is, how can I take a 
file from within WP51, which is on my hard disk, and attach it to an 
e-mail message?  I'm stumped.  

Please help?

Thanks for your time,

Don




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From: Tony Costa <tcosta@nyhs.med.cornell.edu>
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Mike,
I tried to type in a username to mail to that should be legal in our 
passwd file and it does not expand.
Do I need to make a change to the pine.conf?
Also have you heard that there are any problems with the default install 
of Pine from the Slackware distribution of Linux 1.2.13? If you can 
address a Linux question that specific I understand. 
I just need to know how to get an installable copy of Pine for Linux.
Thanks,

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Do you really need to build an adderss book file from your password file?
> Assuming we're talking about the UNIX version of Pine it happily looks up
> a simple username (eg, 'pmb1') in the password file and then fully expands
> it (in my case to 'Mike Brudenell <pmb1@york.ac.uk>')
> 
> Or are you using the PC/Windows version of Pine, in which case I can
> understand it being perhaps desirable to set up such an address book
> (although we don't here, without our 10,000 registered users!).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Tony Costa wrote:
> 
> > I am rather new to Unix, Pine admin but not new to email admin. Could 
> > someone point me in the direction of address book from passd file admin 
> > scripts to keep my address book up to date?
> > Also anything else that might make it easier to admin a several hundred 
> > acct pine mail system.
> > Thanks
> > 
> 


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In article <4qfo9i$hk1@goodnews.voicenet.com> in newsgroup comp.mail.pine,
Nereus (talshiar@voicenet.com) wrote: 

: OK, when I compose a message in pine 3.94 from scratch, and then I
: decide to cancel the message, after confirming the cancel, pine displays
: the message   | Writing dead.letter |  at the bottom, and then this
: file shows up with whatever I had in the message when I canceled.  

To stop pine from writing "dead.letter" when you cancel a message, select
the "quell-dead-letter-on-cancel" option in the configuration screen.

pine will still write a dead letter if pine dies for other reasons.

Bill

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Hi,
how can one make Pine mark all messages in a newsgroup as read?
(similar to "catch up" in tin newsreader). Thanks,
                Pavel



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My computer used to word wrap when I used Pico, and I must have changed something because now It won't word wrap, and I don't 
know what to do.  My Internet project is due tomorrow.  Any ideas?



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On 18 Jun 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:

> >The spammers are now using fake addresses, so that sending them their own
> >message (copied 50+ times, of course:-)  returns with a message saying
> >that no such party exists.
> >
> >Is there a newsgroup for this ?  Is there software to help ?
> 
> I have seen some discussions in alt.security.pgp group.  

Sorry to talk off-topic, but there are official newsgroups for discussing
spamming, both e-mail and USENET spams: news.admin.net-abuse.announce
(moderated?) and news.admin.net-abuse.misc. 

Hynek

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From: "Barry Glick" <barryg@plainfield.bypass.com>
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Hello to the list!  Can anyone tell me why I suddenly get gibberish
now that my ISP has updated to Pine 3.94?  I am using Comit Lite
(DOS) which does not have VT100 emulation.  Does Pine need to have
VT100 emulation?  If so, I still get a lesser version of the problem
with my other communications program, Bitcom for Windows. 

What I get is bits and pieces of type all over the page, with no 
discernible pattern.  I may get my FreeNet logo at the bottom, and 
menu choices for Pine any and everywhere.  I have never had this 
properly explained to me.  The last time it happened was when I 
upgraded from a 14.4 tgo 28.8 modem.  Everything was working fine 
prior to installing the new modem, but after I installed it and tried 
to go into Pine, I got a severely disjointed display of  text all 
over the screen.  This time it happened after my ISP upgraded to Pine 
3.94.

Can anyone tell me why this happens?  I've heard explanations that 
range from modem initialization strings to incorrect terminal 
emulation.  Does anyone have the straight poop on this?

Thanks for any help!

Barry Glick


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Nancy McGough <nancym@ora.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: multiple instances of PC Pine?
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Nancy,
Multiple instances are supported (only) in the 32bit version.

-teg

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Nancy McGough wrote:

> I'd like to be able to run a couple instances of PC Pine for
> Windows but I get this message: 
> 
>   Cannot start more than one copy of the 
>   specified program.
> 
> Does anyone know of any tricks for getting Pine to run in more
> than one Window?  I know about just having multiple telnet
> sessions but I'd like to be able to take advantage of the PC Pine
> features. 
> 
> Pine Developers: Do you have any plans to allow multiple
> instances of Pine in the future? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy
> 
> 
> 



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From: Paul O Bartlett <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:00:01 -0400
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Max Schubert wrote:

> 	I was wondering if there is a way to map keys in pine ( an 
> equivalent to the map lines in .exrc for UNIX mail ).  Thank you in 
> advance for your help.

    If Pine itself allows you to remap keys, I don't know about it. 
However, there are two possibilities: your terminal hardware may allow
you to remap what a particular keypress or key combination sends out;
or, if you are using communications software, that software way have a
remapping facility.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
----------------------------------------------------------
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
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From: harri@zone.great.fi (Harri Mdkinen)
Subject: Re: Does Pine support POP3 or not??
Date: 18 Jun 1996 04:15:30 GMT
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John Davis (jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us):
: >I seem to be getting conflicting signals as to whether Pine 3.93 supports
: >POP3 or not? I am running PC-Pine. I didn't think it did, but then I've seen

I'm running Pine 3.94 on Linux. inbox-path {my.domain/pop3}INBOX works at
startup, but then Pine seems to hang up the connection. It doesn't get
new messages, even though I've set the interval of getting new messages
to everythgin from 15 secons to 500 seconds. No luck.

Otherwise the new features (eg. mouse control in X) are nice, even though
that on little thing makes the program completely useless ;-)

--
Harri Makinen



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I strongly support this wish. Most other Mail/News UAs support such a
feature.

greetings

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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Jason Fayre wrote:

> Is there a way to have pine read an active news file when using an nntp
> connection.  The problem is that whenever I want to subscribe to a new
> group, pine has to fetch the list from the server.  This is very time
> consuming.  I want to be able to have pine read a file in my home
> directory or something instead of going to the server all the time.  I'm
> running linux on a 28.8 ppp conection.
> 
> 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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As you are asking about compiling Pilot I assume this implies you have the
source code kit for Pine.

If so then try looking in the "doc" (documentation) subdirectory of the
place you unpacked the Pine kit to.  You'll find man pages in there for
Pine, Pileit, and some other things.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Li Tao wrote:

> What is Pilot, and how can I compile it? 
> 
> -Li Tao
> ltao@jell.fullerton.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Tony Costa wrote:

> Mike,
> I tried to type in a username to mail to that should be legal in our 
> passwd file and it does not expand.

Hmmm... did you pull the binary version of Pine or compile it yourself? 
Are you just using a local password file (/etc/passwd) or are you using
NIS?  If the latter and you compiled Pine yourself did it link against any
additional libraries that support NIS passwd lookups? 

For example, on our SGI systems under IRIX 4 the default getpwXXX routines
in the standard C library only checked the local passwd file for entries,
and knew nothing about NIS.  Instead we had to explicitly link against the
-lsun library to get NIS support.  (Fortunately as of IRIX 5 this is now
the default).

> Do I need to make a change to the pine.conf?

Nope... in fact you have to set a configuration flag to *suppress* the
lookup (quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file).  (It might be worth checking
this hasn't accidentally got set!)

> Also have you heard that there are any problems with the default install 
> of Pine from the Slackware distribution of Linux 1.2.13? If you can 
> address a Linux question that specific I understand. 
> I just need to know how to get an installable copy of Pine for Linux.
> Thanks,

I'm afraid I know nothing at all about Linux in particular; we don't have
any boxes running it here.  Sorry!

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Pavel V Khaustov <khaustov+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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[Gosh, I wish I had a pound (or even a dollar!:-) for every time this has
been asked and answered...]

0.  Go to Pine's Setup Configuration screen and make sure that the
"enable-aggregate-command-set" feature is enabled.

1.  Use aggregate commands to select messages/news articles to operate on.

2.  Apply a command to the selected set.

Steps 1 & 2 in more detail:

1a.  Go to Index screen and give the Select command by typing ";"
1b.  Use the menu that appears at the bottom of the screen to select a set
     of messages (eg "A" for All).

2a.  Apply a command to the selected set by giving the "A" (Apply)
     command.
2b.  Choose the command you want to apply from the menu (eg, "D" for
     Delete).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Pavel V Khaustov wrote:

> Hi,
> how can one make Pine mark all messages in a newsgroup as read?
> (similar to "catch up" in tin newsreader). Thanks,
>                 Pavel
> 



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Li Tao (ltao@jell.fullerton.edu) 
wrote Jun 21 1996 16:19:53 -0700, 
<Pine.OSF.3.91.960621161931.15980B-100000@jell.fullerton.edu>: 

: What is Pilot, and how can I compile it? 

The pilot manpage (whatis - Database "whatis pilot") says:

 "Simple file system browser in the style of the Pine Composer"

It is really very simple - but enough tho view/edit multiple text-files in an 
directory.

Bye


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Is there a .pinerc or a similar config file for elm that 
encorperates pgp message signatures, hopefully relatively 
seemlessly? 

Responces to email are prefered, as i'm unable to check news
on a regular basis

thanks
Sameer
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Hi, Pine developers/users!

I have mostly to deal with mailing lists; 90% of all replies in lists are
directed to list (with possible copies to author).

Here the problem: in case of reply I have to select between simple reply
(to the author i.e. From/Reply-To) or to the author and all recipients
(i.e. mailing list in this case). Thus if I want to reply to list (as
mentioned, 90% of all replies), I have to make "Reply to all recps". Here
the problem lies:

1. normally it is not necessary to make copy of reply to list until
excplicitly requested (at least, it seems to the right thing; correct me
if I am wrong). But I get the author inserted as primary recipient anyway.

2. the author is made the *first* recipient and thus Fcc is computed from
*his* address and not from *list* address. But it is natural to keep all
replies to list in the same folder as list itself.

In both cases it is possible to edit corresponding fields; but if yur are
forced to do it almost for *every* mail ...

So the feature: add something like "list reply"; that is reply not to
*author* but to the *recipient* of message. Of course, it should be
possible to include any additional recipients/author in reply in this
case.

really hope to see it in 3.95 ;-)

thanks in advance

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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Mihai T. LAZARESCU wrote:

> On 20 Jun 1996, Richard Gering wrote:
>=20
> > I hope I'm not getting too far off topic with this one, but I've includ=
ed
> > a little script I had to write last year to converts TABs into spaces
> > while keeping the columns into consideration. Just hand it the original
> > tab-stop as an argument ("tab2spc 8").
> >=20
> > The program only works well on clean text-only ASCII files.
>=20
> While you are on UNIX, why don't you use the `expand' command?

Thanks for the advise. The command 'expand' does not exist on my SCO Unix
3.2v4.2 system (it was first introduced in 3.2v5.0, a.k.a. OpenServer 5),
but my version does support the command 'newform=B4, which can also be used
to do the job (thanks to Ravi Krishna for pointing this out).=20

I've been working heavily with Unix for some 10 years and never ran across
either command. Simply never required it. When a co-worker needed a tool
to convert tabs to spaces in a hurry I slapped together the forementioned
script. Glad to know there is a real solution to the problem. Unix can
do almost anything, as long as you're asking the right questions :-)

We now quickly return you to your regular program...

Regards,

- Richard.

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On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, David L Miller wrote:

> 
> We plan to implement nested folders in Pine 4.... 
> 
> |\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    dlm@cac.washington.edu  (206) 685-6240
> |/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
> University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, Box 354841
> 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA
> 

Question if I may..  When will Pine 4 be out anyway? :>

Also..  What are the chances of PINE 4.0 having its own filtering 
features so that those under windows (I'm a linux user, but I look out 
for everyone <G>) or those that don't want to go through the procmail 
hassle can still enjoy the wonders of filtering? :>

-Matt


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I'm running pine 3.94 on SCO 3.2v4.1.  Most of the terminal have the
printer setup as "lp -dP6".  When you go into a message and print the
first time, everything's okay.  But if you try to print immediately again,
although the message prints, you never get back to pine.  You have to kill
the process to get control back.  You never see the second "PRINT Result"
message.

I've attached a rather lenthy pine debug file at level 9 and the output of
ps while pine is hung.

Thank you for any help you can give me.  I appriciate it!

If you want to e-mail me and get a faster response, you can e-mail
knute@masi.com.  Thanks!

---MAS Inc.			   email: masi@teleport.com
   15050 SW Koll Parkway, Suite C    web: http://www.teleport.com/~masi
   Beaverton, OR  97006		   phone: (503) 641-6200

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Hi-

Does anyone have a script (unix) (or can point me to a location) which
converts a pine address book into a
elm addressbook (and/or vice versa). I see no sense in recreating the
wheel !

Thanks very much
Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan                 dawn@virginia.edu



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Has anyone had any luck with compiling Pine on an Intergraph CLIX box? Also, I 
want it to use POP3.

Thanks

Brian P Connor



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I'm running Pine 3.94 on a Sun SPARC system with SunOS 4.1.3. 

I have enabled enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon in the Pine setup.


Can anyone please help me, I have two questions:

1). I've noticed that Pine resets the Icon label to 'pine' in the
minimised XTerm. However, when I exit Pine, the label continues to say
'pine' rather than reverting back to 'xterm'. Is this a bug, or is there
some way of telling Pine to reset the icon label on exiting?? 

2). I've asked this before, but no-one responded: How can I change the
icon for pine? I have downloaded a .xbm file, but I don't know how to make
it the default icon.



Thanks in advance,

  Tim Porter.
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From: Kenn Herman <kennh@wce.wwu.edu>
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I just noticed the 3M size difference between pine 3.91 and pine 3.94 
that I just compiled:  

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     bin             8 Jun 24 14:45 pine -> pine.394*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     bin        863492 Aug 22  1995 pine.391*
-rwxr-xr-x   2 root     bin       3968661 Jun 24 14:38 pine.394*

I guess this is ok, since I looked at the size of the binaries on your 
ftp server and it is about the same size.

-rwxrwxr-x  1 172      0         3925407 Jun 12 17:05 pine-bin.linux

I am just curious though, how much of a performance hit is this new 4M 
pine binary versus the older 865K binary?


Thanks,

Kenn Herman


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When I ask pine to sort my files by date ($ D)
I get something like the following

..
+ A  52 Jun  4 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,131) jeg ringede kl. 1. dansk tid         
+ A  53 Jun  3 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,400) Natten ml. soendag og mandag         
+ A  54 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (2,063) fornyelse af visa/dankort 2          
     55 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,171) Vedr.: 'Hilsen fra Connecticut' 3    
     56 Jan 25 Ole M. Nielsen        (988) Hejsa                                
     57 Jan 26 Ole M. Nielsen      (1,165) Re: Tak for hilsen      
..

Am I doing something wrong?
In any case it is very annoying.

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If you are lucky, you can finger the user and obtain the
`Mail last reading' date from finger daemon.  Then you can
check this date with the date you sent the message.

If you want to get an automatic confirmation of the delivery of
the message in user's mailbox, you can try setting the header:
`Return-receipt-to: your_email_address'.

Mihai L.

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Well, I've recently built pine 3.94 and understand from my reading that
since pine 3.92, it has been possible to use pine with pgp as a mail
filter for smoothly handling encryption and decryption of email sent and
received.

I've read the help under the Setup-Config option:

sending-filters
display-filters

and it is of some assistance.  I also looked at the release notes of pine
3.94 for any mention of pgp (only once and offers little help).

So far I've tried setting /usr/local/bin/pgp -seat
as my sending filter, and when I use C-X to send, it does invoke PGP, asks
for my pass-phrase to sign the message, and asks for the recipient's user
id.  I've also put /usr/local/bin/pgp as my display filter.

What I've tried so far is sending myself mail encrypted with my public key
in the above manner, and when I receive the mail, the body is empty (and
it was not when I sent).   I would have guessed that the display filter
would do something smart like notice that this was encrypted, ask for the
pass-phrase of the secret key required to decrypt, but I get no such
thing.

Can anyone offer some hints or maybe a good document to read for how to
set up pine 3.94 with pgp to do the typical things?  Advice would be much
appreciated.

Thanks in advance

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From: Cerberus <cerberus@ginch.dial.umd.edu>
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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Kenn Herman wrote:

> I just noticed the 3M size difference between pine 3.91 and pine 3.94 
> that I just compiled:  
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     bin             8 Jun 24 14:45 pine -> pine.394*
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     bin        863492 Aug 22  1995 pine.391*
> -rwxr-xr-x   2 root     bin       3968661 Jun 24 14:38 pine.394*

run strip on that new binary, it knocks it down to around 1.5MB or so.

Also - i fixed my 'no room to write file' error mesage i was
getting...Turns out the pine binary needs to be owned by bin, and I had it
owned root.

-dave


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From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew)
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Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I run a program that searchs for, and issues advisory cancels for,
large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
hierarchies.

I have issued 17 cancels for large binary files (average size 176,971
characters - total size 3,008,512 characters) posted to 14 different
unmoderated discussion groups in the comp, news, and rec hierarchies
(with cross-posts into into alt and ms-windows groups) as follows:
   8 rec.games.pbm
   2 rec.autos.marketplace
	rec.autos.rod-n-custom
	rec.aviation.homebuilt
	alt.autos.antique
   2 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.compatibility.win95
	comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95
	comp.os.ms-windows.networking.win95
	comp.os.ms-windows.setup.win95
	comp.os
	ms-windows.win95.misc
   1 rec.travel.asia
   1 rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc
   1 news.newusers.questions
   1 comp.os.netware.misc
   1 comp.mail.pine

The cancels in non-targeted groups are a consequence of the way
cross-posts work.  A cross-posted article has only one Message-ID.
When it is canceled from one group it is canceled from all groups.

This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above.
Follow-ups are directed to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

If you want to see exactly which file was deleted from a particular
group, read the full report in news.admin.net-abuse.announce.  The
full report can also be found in alt.nocem.misc and alt.retromod.
Look for AR442 in the subject, or, if your reader supports it, use
this URL: news:ARMM-Report-442@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us

The criteria used to search for this batch of large binaries were:
   NEWSGROUPS: Unmoderated akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, or sci
	       (except for comp.binaries.apple2, comp.bugs.2bsd,
		and rec.games.bolo)
   BINARY: base64, binhex, uuencode, and xbtoa encoded files, etc.
   SIZE: > 100,000 characters [(size * (# of parts - .5)), if multi-part]

If you must post a binary to Usenet, please post it *only* to an
appropriate binaries newsgroup such as alt.binaries.misc, and do *not*
crosspost it to non-binaries groups.  Then, if you like, post something
in the appropriate discussion group telling people where to find the
binary in the binaries group (a pointer to the binary).  This will
permit news administrators and users to decide for themselves whether
to receive the binary files.

Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private
feedback to red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us.  Thanks.

Best wishes,
Dick
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:41:26 -0400
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On 25 Jun 1996, Sven Guckes wrote:

> [...]
> Yes, I posted this three days ago.
> Somebody put this into the FAQs!
> 
> Sven

    Regulars on this group keep seeing the same questions turn up over
and over, sometimes, as Sven notes, just days apart.  I think there
needs to be a Pine FAQ separate from the University of Washington
folks, simply because these repetitive questions don't appear (easily,
at least) in the UW docs.  Anyway, I thought part of UW's idea was that
new users could fire up Pine and use it without docs.  Nevertheless,
these questions come up.  Hence the need for a *real* FAQ (not whatever
UW might call one of their hard-to-find docs).  (But for the record,
no, I am not myself now in a good position to write and maintain such an
FAQ.)

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	I have just noticed that the new version (3.93 I believe)
disables my ability to receive talk requests.  This is rather disturbing,
so I was wondering if there was a way to prevent Pine from doing this.
I looked in the man page for pine, and I couldn't find anything related
to talk or mesg.

	Thanks,
	Roland Lee

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On 24 Jun 1996, Roland Lee wrote:

> 	I have just noticed that the new version (3.93 I believe)
> disables my ability to receive talk requests.  This is rather disturbing,
> so I was wondering if there was a way to prevent Pine from doing this.
> I looked in the man page for pine, and I couldn't find anything related
> to talk or mesg.

	Are you talking about uclink?  It doesn't turn off messages, 
messages is turned off by default so you have to put mesg y somewhere in 
.login or .cshrc as the defaults would override it if you put it in the 
wrong place...

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My new deskjet 600 was printing fine from ProcomPlus for Win and PINE 
(3.91at trenton.edu), Don't know if it's a coincidence, but after I was 
in WP6 for Windows, in the Print Screen, under Select, I deleted two old 
printers. One was for my old old modem, the other for my 14.4 baud modem. 
(Now I have a 28.8 modem). Ever since, when I try to print from PINE I 
get a message :Application Error. PW2 caused a General Protection Fault 
in module HPFWIN02.DLL at 000B:3D3C. The computer freezes, and the phone 
goes dead. 

I can print fine from DOS, and WPWIN6.0 and Netscape. Did I maybe damage an 
INI file in Windows when I removed those 2 old printers?

This senior citizen has been using PINE about a year, and was 
enjoying it tremendously until this happenned.  Hope someone can help.

(blumenth@trenton.edu)



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Date: 25 Jun 1996 05:56:40 GMT
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aknoedl@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (aknoedl):
> My computer used to word wrap when I used Pico, and I must have changed
> somethin g because now It won't word wrap, and I don't know what to do.
> My Internet project is due tomorrow.  Any ideas?

I wonder what this Internet project is about.

"[13]  Post on comp.mail.pine and ask about wordwrapping with Pico."

Hmm.

"There is no such thing with Pico.  At least the manual does not help.
 It only says something about 'option -w' which is neither intuitive
 nor foolproof."

"F".

Sven

-- 
He who cannot post with a Subject: line
is not capable of using Pine, either.



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References: <4q1702$js0@cc.tut.fi><Pine.SGI.3.93.960617095945.12582I-100000@tower.york.ac.uk> <MUNIER.96Jun24092132@vosges.loria.fr>
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On 24 Jun 1996, Manuel Munier wrote:
> I have the same problem too. But I have more info. I can use
> a remote INBOX for all users, except root ! For the user root,
> I get the same error message 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
> connection refused.'

Are you SURE that is the error message that you get?  You should get an
error such as "Bad LOGIN user name or password".

In any case, root, and any other uid 0 user, can not use IMAP.  This is by
deliberate design.  We do not intend to support root access to IMAP.  You
should have root mail forwarded to a non-uid0 user instead. 

-- Mark --

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Greetings from Germany.  I have not been able to straighten out a problem 
and am hoping someone can give me a tip.  Please reply to my address (and 
not only to the list) since I also don't know how to recieve the list!

The problem is that my Inbox has "Read-Only" on the top status line.  
This means that there is only one message, actually a collection of all 
the messages of the past few weeks.  New messages just get added on to 
the end.  You have to scroll through the entire thing to get to new 
messages at the end.  Reply and Forward don't work because it tries to 
reply/send to the entire message at the local address.  It won't allow me 
to delete the message, and saving it also does not cause it to be removed 
from the Inbox.

I guess the main question is how to change the status line so it is no 
longer Read-Only.  I spent hours last night trying to find a command 
somewhere but no luck.  Please help me out if you know what I should do!  

Thanks so much,

Marc Osenberg, Koeln



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From: oerjan@lie.matstat.unit.no (Orjan Johansen)
Subject: Re: FAQ (was: Re: pine addressbook to elm aliases)
Date: 25 Jun 1996 02:42:15 GMT
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References: <4qcbfu$11to@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk> <slrn4su8o1.82s.mmj@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> <slrn4sudep.sk0.guckes@banach.math.fu-berlin.de> <Pine.SUN.3.94.960624213541.12719C-100000@access5.digex.net>

In article <Pine.SUN.3.94.960624213541.12719C-100000@access5.digex.net>,
Paul O Bartlett  <pobart@access.digex.net> wrote:
>    Regulars on this group keep seeing the same questions turn up over
>and over, sometimes, as Sven notes, just days apart.  I think there
>needs to be a Pine FAQ separate from the University of Washington
>folks, simply because these repetitive questions don't appear (easily,
>at least) in the UW docs.  Anyway, I thought part of UW's idea was that
>new users could fire up Pine and use it without docs.  Nevertheless,
>these questions come up.  Hence the need for a *real* FAQ (not whatever
>UW might call one of their hard-to-find docs).  (But for the record,
>no, I am not myself now in a good position to write and maintain such an
>FAQ.)

I am sure just posting a regular (weekly, say) pointer to the FAQ at
http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ would help.
The problem now is that there is _nothing_ in the newsgroup itself.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Roland Lee <blakwolf@uclink.berkeley.edu>
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Try looking at Pine's Setup Configuration screen (see that word "Setup" on
Pine's Main Menu? :-)

This screen lets you tailor Pine in many ways.  And each item has built-in
help (just put your cursor on the item and type the "Get Help" command
listed on the menu at the bottom of the screen).

To give you a toe-hold look on the first screenful at the top of the list
of features for something called "allow-talk".

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 24 Jun 1996, Roland Lee wrote:

> 	I have just noticed that the new version (3.93 I believe)
> disables my ability to receive talk requests.  This is rather disturbing,
> so I was wondering if there was a way to prevent Pine from doing this.
> I looked in the man page for pine, and I couldn't find anything related
> to talk or mesg.
> 
> 	Thanks,
> 	Roland Lee



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Subject: E-mail address for bug-reports
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Hello,

Which is the E-mail address at cac.washington.edu to mail bug reports.
I did not find it in one of the txt files.

-Herman-



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On 24 Jun 1996, Roland Lee wrote:

> 	I have just noticed that the new version (3.93 I believe)
> disables my ability to receive talk requests.  This is rather disturbing,
> so I was wondering if there was a way to prevent Pine from doing this.

Goto Setup->Config and select the feature "allow-talk".

Regards,

- Richard.

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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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1.  Start Pine
2.  At the Main Menu give the command "B" (Bug).

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 25 Jun 1996, Herman Van Uytven wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Which is the E-mail address at cac.washington.edu to mail bug reports.
> I did not find it in one of the txt files.
> 
> -Herman-
> 



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From: jerome pimmel <jerome@delphi.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:37:35 +0100
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Can you set pine somewhere to always have full header command on 
when viewing received messages.

Is such a thing possible?
-- 
jxe

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...red yellow...red yellow...
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Subject: How can I compile the lastest version of Pine?
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Does anybody know how to compile the lastest version of PINE? I don't 
understand the directions the technical notes gave me. Thanks.

- Li Tao
ltao@jell.fullerton.edu
or li@otto.harvard.edu





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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Li Tao <ltao@jell.fullerton.edu>
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First, decide if you really want/need to compile it from the source code
(there are already compiled versions available for a number of platforms
available).

If you do...

1.  Obtain the source code distribution kit by anonymous ftp from
ftp.cac.washington.edu (directory /pine)

2.  Unpack the source code distribution kit (you'll need to uncompress it,
then un-tar it), and cd to that directory.

3.  Type the command "build XXX" where "XXX' is the codename for the
system type you are building Pine for.  A list of these can be found in
the file doc/pine-ports (the "build" command tells you this if you don't
give it a recognised value for "XXX").

4.  The compiled programs are placed in the bin subdirectory.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Li Tao wrote:

> Does anybody know how to compile the lastest version of PINE? I don't 
> understand the directions the technical notes gave me. Thanks.
> 
> - Li Tao
> ltao@jell.fullerton.edu
> or li@otto.harvard.edu
> 
> 
> 



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From: roland@spinnaker.rhein.de (Roland Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Using Pine 3.94 with PGP
Date: 25 Jun 1996 11:09:05 +0200
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Kevin S. Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> wrote:

> Can anyone offer some hints or maybe a good document to read for how
> to set up pine 3.94 with pgp to do the typical things?  Advice would
> be much appreciated.

I wrote three skripts for this, which work very well here.  Maybe you
will find them usefull.

pgpsign:
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# 21.03.96 Roland Rosenfeld <roland@spinnaker.rhein.de> 
#

pgp -fast
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------


pgpencrypt:
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------
#!/bin/sh
# 
# $Id: pgpencrypt,v 1.6 1996/06/25 09:05:28 roland Exp $
#
# 21.03.96 Roland Rosenfeld <roland@spinnaker.rhein.de> 
# 17.05.96 exit added.
# 

umask 077
TMPFILE="/tmp/pgpencrypt"
trap "rm -f $TMPFILE.???.$$; exit 1" 1 2 15

(pgp +verbose=1 -feast $* >$TMPFILE.txt.$$) 2>&1 | tee $TMPFILE.pgp.$$ 1>&2

if grep '/pubring.pgp' $TMPFILE.pgp.$$ >/dev/null
then 
        rm -f $TMPFILE.???.$$
        exit 1
fi

cat $TMPFILE.txt.$$
rm -f $TMPFILE.???.$$
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------


pgpdecode:
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
# filter for pine 3.93 and newer for decoding pgp mails
# use this with the following in your .pinerc:
# display-filters=_BEGINNING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ /home/roland/bin/pgpdecode
#
# $Id: pgpdecode,v 1.4 1996/05/23 17:59:20 roland Exp $
#
# 21.03.96 Roland Rosenfeld <roland@spinnaker.rhein.de> 
# 23.03.96 $TMPFILE moved to $PGPPATH.
# 17.05.96 total rewrite in perl; many new features

umask 077;

$tmpdir = $ENV{'PGPPATH'};     # this offers more security than /tmp 
$pgpout = "$tmpdir/pgpout$$";
$pgperr = "$tmpdir/pgperr$$";

$pgpfound=1;

while ($pgpfound) {

    while (($_=<>) && !(/^-----BEGIN PGP/)) {
        print $_;
    }
    if (/^-----BEGIN PGP/) {
        $pgpfound=1;
    } else {
        $pgpfound=0;
    }
    
    if (/^-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----$/) {
        $pgpkeyblock .= $_;
        while (($_=<>) && !(/^-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----$/)) {
            $pgpkeyblock .= $_;
        }
        $pgpkeyblock .= $_;
        
        open(SAVEOUT, ">&STDOUT");
        open(SAVEERR, ">&STDERR");
        open(STDOUT, ">$pgpout") || &abort("Can't redirect stdout");
        open(STDERR, ">&STDOUT") || &abort("Can't redirect stderr");
        open(PGP, "|pgp -kaf") || &abort("Can't execute pgp");
        print PGP $pgpkeyblock;
        close(PGP);
        close(STDOUT);
        close(STDERR);
        open(STDOUT, ">&SAVEOUT");
        open(STDERR, ">&SAVEERR");
        
        open(PGPOUT, "<$pgpout") || &abort("Can't read $pgpout");
        while (<PGPOUT>) {
            print "| $_";
        }
        close(PGPOUT);
        unlink $pgpout;
    } elsif (/^-----BEGIN PGP( SIGNED)? MESSAGE-----$/) {
        $pgpmessage .= $_;
        $pgpheader = $_;

        while (($_=<>) && !(/^-----END PGP (MESSAGE|SIGNATURE)-----$/)) {
            $pgpmessage .= $_;
        }
        $pgpmessage .= $_;
        
        open(SAVEOUT, ">&STDOUT");
        open(SAVEERR, ">&STDERR");
        open(STDOUT, ">$pgpout") || &abort("Can't redirect stdout");
        open(STDERR, "| tee $pgperr 1>&2") || &abort("Can't redirect stderr");
        open(PGP, "|pgp -f") || &abort("Can't execute pgp");
        print PGP $pgpmessage;
        close(PGP);
        close(STDOUT);
        close(STDERR);
        open(STDOUT, ">&SAVEOUT");
        open(STDERR, ">&SAVEERR");
        
        open(PGPERR, "<$pgperr") || &abort("Can't read $pgperr");
        while (<PGPERR>) {
            print "| $_";
        }
        close(PGPERR);
        unlink $pgperr;

        print "|\n| $pgpheader|\n";

        open(PGPOUT, "<$pgpout") || &abort("Can't read $pgpout");
        while (<PGPOUT>) {
            print $_;
        }
        close(PGPOUT);
        unlink $pgpout;
        
        $pgpheader =~ s/BEGIN/END/;
        print "\n|\n| $pgpheader|\n\n";
    }
}

exit;

sub abort {
    local ($message) = @_;
    unlink $pgpout;
    unlink $pgperr;
    die $message
}
----------------------------- schnipp -----------------------------


These scripts are uses in ~/.pinerc like following:

# This variable takes a list of programs that message text is piped into
# after MIME decoding, prior to display.
display-filters=_BEGINNING("-----BEGIN PGP")_ /home/roland/bin/pgpdecode

# This defines a program that message text is piped into before MIME
# encoding, prior to sending
sending-filters=/home/roland/bin/pgpsign,
        /home/roland/bin/pgpencrypt _RECIPIENTS_

Ciao

        Roland

-- 
  * Internet: roland@spinnaker.rhein.de * Fido: 2:2450/111.13 *


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MAS Inc. wrote:
> 
> I'm running pine 3.94 on SCO 3.2v4.1.  Most of the terminal have the
> printer setup as "lp -dP6".  When you go into a message and print the
> first time, everything's okay.  But if you try to print immediately again,
> although the message prints, you never get back to pine.  You have to kill
> the process to get control back.  You never see the second "PRINT Result"
> message.
> 






The same thing happens on SCO System 5, so I'd also appreciate a solution.

Bill


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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:30:54 -0400
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On 25 Jun 1996, Sven Guckes wrote:

> ralf@sbk-ks.de (Ralf Gerhard):
> > a few days ago I have installed pine-3.94 on a SCO machine (3.2.4.2).
> > How can I turn off 'quoted printable' transfer encoding?
> > I've found nothing in the FAQ or in the menu SETUP CONFIGURE.
> 
> Hint:  Do not use 8bit characters.  Then there will be no need for QP.

    That's all very nice, but it is quite parochial for the English-
speaking world to impose its 7-bit nonsense on the rest of the world
(and I say this as a native English-speaker).  I participate in a busy
mailing list concerning languages, and to be limited to 7-bit US-ASCII
without even European accented letters is absurd.

    With this particular mailing list I can see 8-bit characters with
no problem using Pine, although some readers report that they cannot. 
The list owner recently announced that the software at the site (in
Denmark) was soon going MIME-compliant and that participants should
make sure that their mail readers are MIME-compliant.  Fortunately Pine
is.

    It seems to be the "other guy" or some intermediate mail transports
that either mash on the MIME headers or cannot handle QP at all.  (I
have never even checked to see whether the mail from this list is
actually coming in QP and being automatically converted back to 8-bit
by Pine.)

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
----------------------------------------------------------
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
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You need to find out why your mailbox is not being recognized as a
mailbox, but instead is being treated as an ordinary file.  Most likely,
it is because there is some junk (possibly blank lines) before the first
characters, which should be "From ".

You are still running Pine 3.91.  If you upgrade to Pine 3.94, you may
find that it will recognize your mailbox, since 3.94 knows to discard
blank lines at the start of a mailbox.

On 24 Jun 1996, Marc Osenberg wrote:

> Greetings from Germany.  I have not been able to straighten out a problem 
> and am hoping someone can give me a tip.  Please reply to my address (and 
> not only to the list) since I also don't know how to recieve the list!
> 
> The problem is that my Inbox has "Read-Only" on the top status line.  
> This means that there is only one message, actually a collection of all 
> the messages of the past few weeks.  New messages just get added on to 
> the end.  You have to scroll through the entire thing to get to new 
> messages at the end.  Reply and Forward don't work because it tries to 
> reply/send to the entire message at the local address.  It won't allow me 
> to delete the message, and saving it also does not cause it to be removed 
> from the Inbox.
> 
> I guess the main question is how to change the status line so it is no 
> longer Read-Only.  I spent hours last night trying to find a command 
> somewhere but no luck.  Please help me out if you know what I should do!  
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Marc Osenberg, Koeln
> 
> 
> 

-- Mark --

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Hi, I was wondering if it's possible on version 3.93 of Pine to sort
incoming mail as it comes in.  For example, if I get a message from
Joe@blow.com, the message will go to the "joe" folder.  Then if another
message comes in from Happy@time.com, that message will go to the "happy"
folder...  Thanks!



-Ed Lee



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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No... Pine (and all other mail reading programs) ar for reading mail AFTER
it has been delivered.

To intercept and redirect incoming mail you need to get in at the point at
which it is being delivered (which is nothing to do with Pine).

Some systems provide a utility such as "procmail" or "filter" to do this.
Try asking your local help desk if such software is available on your
computers and, if it is, how it is used.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Ed Lee wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if it's possible on version 3.93 of Pine to sort
> incoming mail as it comes in.  For example, if I get a message from
> Joe@blow.com, the message will go to the "joe" folder.  Then if another
> message comes in from Happy@time.com, that message will go to the "happy"
> folder...  Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> -Ed Lee
> 



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Subject: Re: Pine 3.94 hangs after *second* print
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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, MAS Inc. wrote:

> I'm running pine 3.94 on SCO 3.2v4.1.  Most of the terminal have the
> printer setup as "lp -dP6".  When you go into a message and print the
> first time, everything's okay.  But if you try to print immediately again,
> although the message prints, you never get back to pine.  You have to kill
> the process to get control back.  You never see the second "PRINT Result"
> message.

It would seem that the entire range from SCO 3.2v4.1 through 3.2v5.0 is
affected. I've done a little debugging and noticed Pine is waiting for a
SIGCHLD in the function close_system_pipe() [pine/os.c]. This signal never
arrives for the second print command and thus we wait indefinitely. 

The reason why the second print commands ends in a <defunct> process / we
don't get a SIGCHLD is still unclear to me. I'll try to find out... 
 
Regards,

- Richard Gering.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear:  |
| CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! (Mary Poppins)| 
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From: ats@shep1.wustl.edu (Alan Shutko)
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Date: 25 Jun 1996 11:55:34 -0500
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In-Reply-To: barryg@aug.com's message of Mon, 24 Jun 1996 01:11:03 GMT

>>>>> "BG" == barry glick <barryg@aug.com> writes:

BG> Does anyone know what causes these problems?  For example, when I
BG> go into Pine, part of my FreeNets logo is at the top, there are
BG> chunks of disjointed type everywhere--none of it consistent enough
BG> to read.

It sounds like you have a term program which has very broken
emulation.  Don't feel bad, most PC terms are pathetically broken.
(I think the only ones I've found which work to my satisfaction are
MS-Kermit and Crosstalk.)

You have a few solutions.  You could try to find a working comm
program.  Or you could play with your TERM variable.  Try setting TERM
to ansi, or maybe pcansi.  Depending on the system, there might be
term types set up for broken, brain-dead PC comm programs.  Ask your
local admin for help.

To change your TERM variable do

setenv TERM ansi

under csh, or 

TERM=ansi; export TERM

under sh derivatives.


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From: Beth Peterson <bethp@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR HELP
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:43:35 -0500
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Is this a new system or a new version?  If you origionally used pine and
are still using it then the message should still be there.  If you read it
in your inbox and then quit pine it should have been automatically moved
to your read message folder.  To find out which folder is your read
message folder (by default I believe it is mail) go to the configuration
screen, (at the main menu type S (setup) , C (config).  There should be
something called read message folder on the first page.  Look at what it
is type E (exit) go back to your folder list look in that folder for the
message.  If that is not the problem then I can't help you.

On 19 Jun 1996, Akanit Duangmalai wrote:

> 	Please advise us how can i read the previous messige which my
> friend sent it to me yesterday.
> 
>           Today I open e-mail and found that it is the new system
> but I have the serious problem in new system 'cause I can't read my
> old messages. My friend sent the important message to me yesterday but I
> can't read it. When I press 'I' for viewing the message the screen show
> that 'no message'. I don't know what happen.
> 
> 	I'm waiting for your help. Thanks for your coordination.
> 
> Best regards,
> Akanit D.
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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From: Christine Robinson <d010490c@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
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	Dear Pine Help:  Our Free-Net uses pine for e-mail and I want to 
know how to create a list-serve to send messages to the whole school 
community where my daughter attends.   THanks,

     Christine Robinson



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From: ADAM Sulmicki <adam@cfar.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: When pine 3.95 out?
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:19:42 -0400
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->> Has anyone clue when 3.95 will be out? The current one has an annoying bug in 
->> setting the "N" (new) mark for messages in in my inbox, it usually uses to
->> mark as New even those messages which I already have read, but did not deleted
->> yet (fyi: my inbox has aprox 1000 messages inside).
->> 
->
->We are hoping to have Pine 3.95 ready RSN, but I don't recall seeing
->any reports of this problem before.  Could you elaborate on exactly
->what problem you are seeing? 

Thank you for your answer.

It is a bit hard to define. However I think I can divide it into two
subproblems:

1) pine sometimes forgets to remove the "N" mark _after_ I read the
message, and only pressing D and then U, removes the "N" mark. 

2) When I go thru my mails in my mailbox I sometimes find that some
messages marked as new I already have read, and they did not have the "N"
sometime before.
	reason for this problem might be because of 3 things:
	- I have added some "fix" to the code which add the "+" when
          I"m mentioned in cc, that is pine3.93/contrib/flag.cc
          (I think I added it in 3 places)
        - size of my mailbox, it can range to 2'000 messages, and I'm 
          getting on average 175 messages per day.
        - it had been exited inproperly few times (kill, power
          interruption, etc), but I don't think this one is case.


Adam Sulmicki
System staff for CfAR, UMIACS, CS



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Here's a technique that I just started using to read news with
pine.  When I first go into the group I type

  ;aad

which marks everything deleted.  Then I read the articles that
I'm interested in and if there is an article that I want to
not delete (e.g., if I want to respond to it later), I type

  u

which marks it undeleted.  When I'm ready to leave the group
I type

  x

which excludes all the messages marked for deletion.

Does anyone have any other tips for news reading with pine?

Thanks,
Nancy




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HELP!!!

I am having a problem with pine 3.91!!!  It was working fine until I 
instituted virtual email and Sendmail 8.7.5.  Pine will allow me to read 
my email and I can try to reply to a message....but....when I tell Pine 
to send the message, it says that it is sending and storing a copy of the 
message in the sent-mail folder, but the message is never sent!!  I can 
use Netscape or some other mail program to send and receive mail and it 
works fine, just not pine....what could have changed?  I have several 
users that have shell accounts that are starting to get annoyed that they 
cannot send or reply to email, but they can receive mail...

Someone please H E L P!!

Thanks in advance,

Jim Williams
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From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan)
Subject: Re: PGP and pine or elm
Date: 25 Jun 1996 20:36:11 GMT
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In article <4ql5jj$9s3@nntp1.best.com>,
	manek@nntp.best.com (Sameer Manek) writes:
>Is there a .pinerc or a similar config file for elm that 
>encorperates pgp message signatures, hopefully relatively 
>seemlessly? 
>
>Responces to email are prefered, as i'm unable to check news
>on a regular basis

Pine added a filtering features since version 3.92.  It allows users 
to pipe the email through a "filter", which can be a PGP encryption/
decryption/clear-sign scheme.  PGP has this kind of usage in mind 
when it was developed with a "-f" feature, I guess.

Any way, if you have Pine 3.92 or newer version (I have see 3.94), you 
can visit my web page to see detailed instructions for configuring it
to use PGP filters in an easy-to-use fashion (not sure if it can be 
called seamless).  The URL is

	http://www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html

I did this under Irix 5.3.  I think most Unix machines can do the same, 
but I have not tested on any other machines.  PGP 2.62 is used.  Other 
versions should be OK, too.

Cheers!

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
== Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
== finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key=


PS: Posted to c.m.pine only.


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From: yuan@nka1.med.uc.edu (Jie Yuan)
Subject: Re: Using Pine 3.94 with PGP
Date: 25 Jun 1996 20:43:05 GMT
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960624143958.10257D-100000@darkstar.jpl.nasa.gov>,
	"Kevin S. Ford" <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:
>Well, I've recently built pine 3.94 and understand from my reading that
>since pine 3.92, it has been possible to use pine with pgp as a mail
>filter for smoothly handling encryption and decryption of email sent and
>received.
>
>I've read the help under the Setup-Config option:
>
>sending-filters
>display-filters
>
>and it is of some assistance.  I also looked at the release notes of pine
>3.94 for any mention of pgp (only once and offers little help).
>
>So far I've tried setting /usr/local/bin/pgp -seat
>as my sending filter, and when I use C-X to send, it does invoke PGP, asks
>for my pass-phrase to sign the message, and asks for the recipient's user
>id.  I've also put /usr/local/bin/pgp as my display filter.
>
>What I've tried so far is sending myself mail encrypted with my public key
>in the above manner, and when I receive the mail, the body is empty (and
>it was not when I sent).   I would have guessed that the display filter
>would do something smart like notice that this was encrypted, ask for the
>pass-phrase of the secret key required to decrypt, but I get no such
>thing.
>
>Can anyone offer some hints or maybe a good document to read for how to
>set up pine 3.94 with pgp to do the typical things?  Advice would be much
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance

This is a (undocumented) FAQ and it pops up very often in this group.

I have a web page that describes a procedure to configure Pine to use
PGP for encrypt/decrypt/clear-sign.  The URL is 

	http://www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html

Please take time to visit and comment.

You might have read the followup by R. Rosenfeld.  My approach is much 
simpler than his.  No Perl.  Just Pine, PGP, and csh or ksh.


Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
== Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
== finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key=



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Hello,

I bounced this question off my local postmaster and system admin, but he
didn't have an answer so I'm forwarding it to you in the hopes that you
might know how to do this...

---
Rocket Ratts                                | "Ignorance killed the cat,
ratts@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu                |  sir, curiosity was framed."
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~ratts/          |    -- Sabrina Perrault-Cadiz
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GE$/CS/S d-@ s+: a31? C++ UV+ P L- E---- W++ N++ o+ K w+ O M-- V-- PS+ PE++
Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R+ tv b+ DI++++ D+ G+ e+++* h r* y++*
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:33:16 -0700 (MST)
From: "Steven D. Ratts" <ratts@LPL.Arizona.EDU>
To: Local Support <postmaster@LPL.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: using user dictionaries with pine


Hi,

I've noticed that pine appears to use the unix 'spell' program to check
spelling.  Perusing the man pages for spell, I saw that using a user
supplied dictionary in addition to the standard one is easily done on the
command line. I would like to be able to do this within pine, but so far
my attempts at setting up my .pinerc file to do so have failed.  Is there
a way to get pine to include my user supplied dictionary with the standard
one when checking the spelling of an outgoing email message?  from
within my .pinerc file I've tried

speller=spell +.dictionary
speller='spell +.dictionary'
speller="spell +.dictionary"

The last one almost works, but pine ignores the list of unrecognized words
which is returned.

Cheers,
Steve.
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From: Richard Gering <rgering@ciint.nl>
To: Ole Nielsen <onielsen@cims.nyu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Sorting by date seems not to work (ver 3.92)
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On 24 Jun 1996, Ole Nielsen wrote:

> When I ask pine to sort my files by date ($ D)
> I get something like the following
> 
> ..
> + A  52 Jun  4 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,131) jeg ringede kl. 1. dansk tid         
> + A  53 Jun  3 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,400) Natten ml. soendag og mandag         
> + A  54 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (2,063) fornyelse af visa/dankort 2          
>      55 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,171) Vedr.: 'Hilsen fra Connecticut' 3    
>      56 Jan 25 Ole M. Nielsen        (988) Hejsa                                
>      57 Jan 26 Ole M. Nielsen      (1,165) Re: Tak for hilsen      
> ..
> 
> Am I doing something wrong?
> In any case it is very annoying.


Could you compare the date formats from the messages send by Inge with
those send by you?  Most likely the message from Inge have an unknown
timezone or contain other information that cannot be parsed.

There is room for improvement in the code that does the date handling, but
it is already quite complex.  Currently, a date having a symbolic time
zone of over 3 characters causes that date to be ignored by the parser.

Apparently some timezones, as set by certain operating systems (within
Europe?), have been "upgraded" to 6 character symbolic names. I know that
on my SCO OpenServer 5 system the default timezone is now set to METDST,
which also throws my date sorting out the window. It looks like a problem
that could be fixed in a future release of Pine. 

Hope this information helps (if just a little).

Regards,

- Richard.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Ole Moller Nielsen <onielsen@QUAGMIRE.CIMS.NYU.EDU>
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Thanks for your reply -
indeed their are differences in the headers:

  Date: 6  Jun 96 13:50 GMT
  From: Inge-M.Nielsen@53677251.da.diatel.dk
  To: onielsen@QUACK.CIMS.NYU.EDU
  Subject: Vedr.: 'Hilsen fra Connecticut' 3

  Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:50:53 +0100 (MET)
  From: "Ole M. Nielsen" <uniomni@unidhp1.uni-c.dk>
  To: "Inge M. Nielsen" <"Inge M..Nielsen"@53677251.da.diatel.dk>
  Subject: Hejsa

I have also now verified your inormation that mails with TZ = METDST are
treated differently.

BUT -
How can pine display the correct date in the date field of the index
regardless of these messy headers ?

It seems to me that somewhere in the pine-code there is a working
algorithm for extracting the date even though the headers are different.
Maybe the sorting could be done based on this information instead of doing
the parsing all over.

This is at least how it looks from a users point of view.

Best regards
Ole Moller Nielsen


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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Richard Gering wrote:

>
> On 24 Jun 1996, Ole Nielsen wrote:
>
> > When I ask pine to sort my files by date ($ D)
> > I get something like the following
> >
> > ..
> > + A  52 Jun  4 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,131) jeg ringede kl. 1. dansk tid
> > + A  53 Jun  3 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,400) Natten ml. soendag og mandag
> > + A  54 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (2,063) fornyelse af visa/dankort 2
> >      55 Jun  6 Inge-M.Nielsen@536  (1,171) Vedr.: 'Hilsen fra Connecticut' 3
> >      56 Jan 25 Ole M. Nielsen        (988) Hejsa
> >      57 Jan 26 Ole M. Nielsen      (1,165) Re: Tak for hilsen
> > ..
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong?
> > In any case it is very annoying.
>
>
> Could you compare the date formats from the messages send by Inge with
> those send by you?  Most likely the message from Inge have an unknown
> timezone or contain other information that cannot be parsed.
>
> There is room for improvement in the code that does the date handling, but
> it is already quite complex.  Currently, a date having a symbolic time
> zone of over 3 characters causes that date to be ignored by the parser.
>
> Apparently some timezones, as set by certain operating systems (within
> Europe?), have been "upgraded" to 6 character symbolic names. I know that
> on my SCO OpenServer 5 system the default timezone is now set to METDST,
> which also throws my date sorting out the window. It looks like a problem
> that could be fixed in a future release of Pine.
>
> Hope this information helps (if just a little).
>
> Regards,
>
> - Richard.
>
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Richard Gering (rgering@ciint.nl) | Let me make one thing perfectly clear:  |
> | CI International B.V. Netherlands | I never explain anything! (Mary Poppins)|
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>



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Hi....I am new to this email.  How can I change to new password
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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Eigil Krogh Sorenen wrote:

> We have pine set to ISO-8859-1 character set.
> 
> The problem is that pine3.94 forgets it's set to that characterset after a new 
> message has been Composed. After a message has been Composed pine begins to 
> display the HEX numbers for the non US characters instead of the characters.
> 

This happens in Pine 3.94 if you have the
enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation feature selected, but the negotiation
fails.  This will be fixed in Pine 3.95... 

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Wim.Holemans wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know when (pc-)pine will have IMSP support ?
> 

Never.  Development of the IMSP protocol has ended in favor of a
simpler, and more general, protocol called ACAP (Application
Configuration Access Protocol).  Assuming the work on ACAP progresses
suitably, ACAP support will be provided in Pine 4.something.

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On 21 Jun 1996, Adam Sulmicki wrote:

> Has anyone clue when 3.95 will be out? The current one has an annoying bug in 
> setting the "N" (new) mark for messages in in my inbox, it usually uses to
> mark as New even those messages which I already have read, but did not deleted
> yet (fyi: my inbox has aprox 1000 messages inside).
> 

We are hoping to have Pine 3.95 ready RSN, but I don't recall seeing
any reports of this problem before.  Could you elaborate on exactly
what problem you are seeing? 

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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

> On 22 Jun 1996, Dr. Jerry R. Aschermann wrote:
> 
> > ...would appreciate if if someone would send to me a "cook book" set 
> > of procedures for setting-up a signature file using Unix-Mac-PINE...
> > 
> > where do I start?  what is the first step?  2nd step, etc.
> 
>     On Un*x do this:
> 
> 1)  Change to your home directory (cd);
> 
> 2)  With your favorite editor, create a file called .signature
>     (note the leading period).
> 
You still need to configure Pine to include the file.  At the main 
screen, select "Configure or update Pine."  Scroll down to "attach 
signature at bottom," and toggle.
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How do i configure pine for PGP, i havealready set up the filters and then
what do i have to do.

Reply soon.


 
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Hi, all!

If I post news, the Fcc is set to name of news group. Is it possible to
prevent it? I would prefer to have no Fcc; if I really need a copy (very
rare case) then I can set it manually.

It was possible in some earlier version of Pine. There Fcc for news was
computed as default-fcc; setting default-fcc to "" prevented any copy.

Probably some configuration parameter in 3.95?

Please, *don't* answer "you can manually delete Fcc field"; I am more or
less aware about it ;-)

thanks in advance

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Hi

I'm using 3.94 within an xterm session on SunOS 4.1.3_U1 and I
occasionally get a premature exit. The error message is swift (soemthing
or other detected) and I can't catch it all or deliberately reproduce it.
It seems to occur when moving up a list of messages.  I can't see anything
in pine-debug to casue alarm, any theories? 

Clifford Wesley Fulford
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In article <4qc5c3$5t1@quack.acs.umbc.edu>,
omar@umbc.edu (Omar Siddique) writes:

>I'm testing Pine 3.94 to upgrade the pine 3.91 our site uses.  I've
>found that pine 3.94 generates .pine-debug files by default, which our
>old 3.91 doesn't.  Is there any easy way to make it stop doing this
>(with disable-default-in-bug-report?), or via modifying source code?

I couldn't find a way to turn it off, except with the command line option
below.

>From the Pine man page:

      -d debug-level      Output diagnostic info at debug-level (0-9) to the
                          current .pine-debug[1-4] file.  A value of 0 turns
                          debugging off and suppresses the .pine-debug file.


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Is there a way to insert a left-hand margin when a message is down-
loaded and printed in PINE (I am using a HP LaserJet III)? 

Option #1 of the printer options begins to print in the first column. 
I tried the following command as Option #3 w/o success: pr -o 5 | vtprint
Help will appreciated.

Alan Baron
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Is there any newsgroups about pine? Is there is, how can I subscribe to 
them (if I like them)?

Li Tao
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Hello,

When I use Pine 3.94 (or Pico) on Windows 3.11 with code page 850
and in pinerc character-set=ISO-8859-1 there are problems with
accented characters.  E.g. if I type small e acute accent on my
keyboard (= E9 in ISO-8859-1), then I get upper case U acute accent
which is E9 in CP850.

Do I need to work with ISO_TO_CP and CP_TO_ISO environment variables 
and corresponding files (does that work) ?
If so, has someone already composed them.

Thanks in advance,

-Herman-



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Please note the series of nonsense letters below.  This appears everytime
I use pine to compose or reply to a message.  Please advise how to get rid
of this irritating problem.  Otherwise all is fine.  The problem does not
occur when using cmm for e mailing; only when using pine.  Thanks.

qrmmmmmmmmquiy




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	I just added an address to one already in my
.addressbook, and 3.93 went through the 'saving addressbook
xyz%' routine three times. What the??
	It's probably relevant that I'm sure I need to purge my
.addressbook, but don't know a feasible way to do it .... :-(

                R.R. Neuswanger, Ph.D., NRA life
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Dear Pine User,
we are working with the pine tool on DEC Alpha workstations
(DUnix Version 3.2) .
It works very well, but during the last time we have some problems.
Therefore I send a mail to pine-faq@cac.washington.edu  to get the FAQ
list, but I can't read the mail.

Following message appears on the screen :
-----------------------------------------------------------------
PINE 3.94   MESSAGE TEXT           Folder: tr  Message 1 of 1 ALL

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:48:34 +0200
From: UW Email Robot <pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu>
To: kgrunau@ifm.uni-kiel.d400.de
Subject: Pine Frequently Asked Questions


-----------------------------------------------------------------
That's all.
With the original mail tool I can read the message:
===========================================================================
>From daemon@docserver.cac.washington.edu Fri Jun 14 11:59:33 1996
X400-Received: by mta nms.rz.uni-kiel.de in /PRMD=uni-kiel/ADMD=d400/C=de/;
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X400-Recipients: kgrunau@ifm.uni-kiel.d400.de
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X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2)
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From: UW Email Robot <pine-robot@docserver.cac.washington.edu>
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Status: RO
X-Status:

------------------------------ Start of forwarded message 1

From: The Pine Development Team <pine-faq@docserver.cac.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <"27861 Fri Jun 14 11:41:34 1996"@dfnrelay.d400.de>
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Subject: Current Version of this Document
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:48:13 +0000

The most up-to-date version of this FAQ can be found at either of these
....

=========================================================================

Do you have you an idea what we can do to make  pine able to read the
mail, too  (maybe it's a problem with MIME) ?

kind regards
Kai 

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:08:07 -0400
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From: "Michael E. Dobe" <dobe@history.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Verbose Send Option For Pine

One of our users recently asked me if Pine has
 
"a switch that let's you see the interactions between the sending 
and receiving host to ensure that the message has been sent and
that the recipient has an id on the receiving host - a verbose send?"

I checked the Pine FAQ and the list archives and there didn't seem to
be any discussion of this.  Is there such an option for Pine?




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Subject: Editing the folder list screen?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:37:23 +0100
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Hi, 
Is it possible to edit the folder list screen, through a config or something.
On my terminal it leaves loads of blank lines in the middle of the lists and
headers...
Cheers Ian

Ian G. Clark BSc.(ENG) ... *Sparks*.     Electronic Eng., Kings College London.
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3.94 does:
            [ ]  enable-verbose-smtp-posting
It adds another option when sending to do it "verbosely"....

Kinda interesting, probably helpful in debugging.... but otherwise not
much of anything.

TjL



On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Michael E. Dobe wrote:

> One of our users recently asked me if Pine has
>  
> "a switch that let's you see the interactions between the sending 
> and receiving host to ensure that the message has been sent and
> that the recipient has an id on the receiving host - a verbose send?"
> 
> I checked the Pine FAQ and the list archives and there didn't seem to
> be any discussion of this.  Is there such an option for Pine?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael E. Dobe			   http://www.njin.net/~dobe
> Systems Programmer			 dobe@pilot.njin.net
> NJIN/Rutgers University	      Tel. (908) 445-4783  Fax -2968  
> 



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On 25 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> No... Pine (and all other mail reading programs) ar for reading mail AFTER
> it has been delivered.
> 
> To intercept and redirect incoming mail you need to get in at the point at
> which it is being delivered (which is nothing to do with Pine).

Many mail readers in other settings (such as QWK readers in the BBS
world) have the capability of being set to ignore messages from folks
you don't like, or on subjects you don't like.

I find it difficult to believe that a program that is capable of reading
and deleting messages can't be modified to do so automagically based on
rules.

The code to do so isn't difficult; integrating it with the existing code
is more difficult, but probably not much more.


  Shawn McMahon          | Smokesignals Computer Company
  Senior System Operator | Southern Oklahoma's Internet Service Provider
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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On 25 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > No... Pine (and all other mail reading programs) ar for reading mail AFTER
> > it has been delivered.
> > 
> > To intercept and redirect incoming mail you need to get in at the point at
> > which it is being delivered (which is nothing to do with Pine).
> 
> Many mail readers in other settings (such as QWK readers in the BBS
> world) have the capability of being set to ignore messages from folks
> you don't like, or on subjects you don't like.
> 
> I find it difficult to believe that a program that is capable of reading
> and deleting messages can't be modified to do so automagically based on
> rules.
> 
> The code to do so isn't difficult; integrating it with the existing code
> is more difficult, but probably not much more.

	The model that pine follows is that the filter process should
be done a delivery time.  This way the messages you won't want to
see at all will not be placed in your mailbox.  If it is done by
the UA (pine) it must travel from your mailbox to the UA.  In the
case of a UA which is running on a PC with access to the mailbox
over a modem connection this can undesirable.

	So, you are right, pine could do it if they added the code.
However, the current model was choosen as having more benifits.

	Regards,

		Ed

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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Ed Greshko wrote:

> 	So, you are right, pine could do it if they added the code.
> However, the current model was choosen as having more benifits.

I don't mean to imply that the Pine development team doesn't have good
and sufficient reasons to follow the model they do; I was merely
addressing the other fellow's assertion that it couldn't be done.

Thanks for the extra info.


  Shawn McMahon          | Smokesignals Computer Company
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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What I was referring to was (if memory serves) the original question about
*redirecting* incoming messages into separate folders.  For example,
Pine-Info mailing list messages are placed into a "pine-info" folder ready
for reading rather than be ing left in the INBOX along with everything
else.

(If I misread the original question, my apologies!)

Your description is for a "kill-file" like behaviour for reading messages
in a folder AFTER delivery (which is quite different from redirecting
arriving messages into folders other than the INBOX).

Pine does indeed provide commands to do this (Select, Apply and Zoom), but
admittedly can't be set up to *automatically* perform a sequence of these
when a folder is opened.  (Probably a good thing, otherwise the hidden
messages would probably be left sitting there ad infinitum:-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On 25 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > No... Pine (and all other mail reading programs) ar for reading mail AFTER
> > it has been delivered.
> > 
> > To intercept and redirect incoming mail you need to get in at the point at
> > which it is being delivered (which is nothing to do with Pine).
> 
> Many mail readers in other settings (such as QWK readers in the BBS
> world) have the capability of being set to ignore messages from folks
> you don't like, or on subjects you don't like.
> 
> I find it difficult to believe that a program that is capable of reading
> and deleting messages can't be modified to do so automagically based on
> rules.
> 
> The code to do so isn't difficult; integrating it with the existing code
> is more difficult, but probably not much more.
> 
> 
>   Shawn McMahon          | Smokesignals Computer Company
>   Senior System Operator | Southern Oklahoma's Internet Service Provider
>   Chickasaw Nation Net   | 405 332-0033   http://www.chickasaw.com
> 



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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> Pine does indeed provide commands to do this (Select, Apply and Zoom), but
> admittedly can't be set up to *automatically* perform a sequence of these
> when a folder is opened.  (Probably a good thing, otherwise the hidden
> messages would probably be left sitting there ad infinitum:-)

What would be neat is if it could automagically delete them.  Of course,
this is code that would need extensive debugging before it went out the
door.  :-)


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We are in the process of revising the Pine FAQs, and also adding a
keyword-searchable full-text index of all the documents in the Pine
Information Center (http://www.washington.edu/pine/).  This searchable
index will be independent of, and in addition to, the two (one full-text,
one subject-lines-only) for the Pine Discussion Forum archives at
http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/.  After that is implemented, a
periodic, but brief posting -- as opposed to a lengthy one with many
questions and their answers -- will go out to the Pine newsgroup/mailing
list about where and how to find answers to questions about, or related to,
Pine.  

However, no matter how extensive or accessible software documentation is
(which is not to claim that Pine's is perfect in either ;-), there
will probably always be users who prefer to ask a question to seeking an
existing answer.  A problem with the idea of the FAQ as a "shield" against
repetitive questions is that that requires the questioner to:
a) assume that his/her question has been ("frequently") asked before;
b) assume that the answer has therefore been given and archived somewhere;
c) find the location of that archive;
d) find the question, perhaps quite differently phrased, in that archive.

This is not to say that FAQs are not useful ... but more as an ad hoc
collection of wisdom that hasn't found its way into, or has no real place
in, any "formal" documentation, than as a way of deflecting repeated
questions.

 ------------------------------------------------------------
  Stefan Kramer                   skramer@cac.washington.edu
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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:

# On 25 Jun 1996, Sven Guckes wrote:
# 
# > [...]
# > Yes, I posted this three days ago.
# > Somebody put this into the FAQs!
# > 
# > Sven
# 
#     Regulars on this group keep seeing the same questions turn up over
# and over, sometimes, as Sven notes, just days apart.  I think there
# needs to be a Pine FAQ separate from the University of Washington
# folks, simply because these repetitive questions don't appear (easily,
# at least) in the UW docs.  Anyway, I thought part of UW's idea was that
# new users could fire up Pine and use it without docs.  Nevertheless,
# these questions come up.  Hence the need for a *real* FAQ (not whatever
# UW might call one of their hard-to-find docs).  (But for the record,
# no, I am not myself now in a good position to write and maintain such an
# FAQ.)
# 
# Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
# ----------------------------------------------------------
# Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
# Finger, keyserver, or WWW for PGP 2.6.2 public key 
# Home Page:  URL: http://www.access.digex.net/~pobart     
# 
# 
# 

On 25 Jun 1996, Orjan Johansen wrote:

# I am sure just posting a regular (weekly, say) pointer to the FAQ at
# http://www.cac.washington.edu/pine/faq/ would help.
# The problem now is that there is _nothing_ in the newsgroup itself.
# 




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Has anyone else experienced this strange file showing up when exiting Pine v3.94
called 'gmon.out'?!? A solution to this buggy would be apreciated! I sent a mail to
the pine-bug-report address, but I doubt that there will come any reply in the
nearest future...
I am running Pine on a Linux machine (kernel build 2.0)

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On that same note what is the specification or where could I find the 
specification for how the /usr/local/lib/ directory file should be formatted?
I have seen it work name 2 tabs address. Is this the correct specification.

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan wrote:

> 
> Hi-
> 
> Does anyone have a script (unix) (or can point me to a location) which
> converts a pine address book into a
> elm addressbook (and/or vice versa). I see no sense in recreating the
> wheel !
> 
> Thanks very much
> Dawn Adelsberger-Mangan                 dawn@virginia.edu
> 


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I discovered quite by accident some very convenient keystroke
  shortcuts in pine 3.92 which I then tried and failed to find
  in the online documentation, so I thought I'd share them.

  After selecting the Save command in the index of some folder, you
  can change the folder collection by using the up and down arrow
  keys. I used to have to use ^T and navigate around the folder list,
  and then I couldn't create a new folder. Handy

  Also in the index, doing a Shift-; selects the current message and
  moves to the next one. Much easier than select, return, next.

  Jim Flanagan <jimfl@bnl.gov>
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Here's a feature I think would be of wonderful benefit in Pine: keystroke
macros.  Basically, the same thing as the initial-keystroke string that
can be given with -i or in pine setup (so, the code's already there for
implementing that part), but have a particular string associated with a
key sequence, maybe a function key, or even just a particular
command - eg "macro <macroname>" - where 'macro' would me some
currently-unused key sequence (say, '@' "#" or 'k' for <k>eystroke macro). 
Same UI as file save & such - ^T could bring up a list of macros, etc.

Having macros in pine would allow built-in mail filtering...Pine already
has excellent selection capabilities; but it gets tiring to constantly hit
';,t,t,i,m,a,p,CR,a,s,i,m,a,p,-,l,i,s,t,CR' just to save (for instance) my
imap list email (not to mention the extra keys for grabbing the Cc:'d imap
mail).  Sure, there's procmail and filter, but I don't want to have to
process my mail with more than one program - I *like* Pine's handling of
things, and besides, my mail server is a dedicated IMAP/POP server.  I
want to leave unread messages there until I'm ready for them...so
downloading via popclient and then running procmail won't work for me. 
Now, give me a procmail that does IMAP and I'll be happy.  Or Pine
macros... 

Anyway, there are no doubt many other uses for something like macros
besides filtering that I haven't thought of - but that's what I'd want 'em
for. 

Oh, another nice thing to have would be a text-selection field of "To and
CC" or perhaps "all headers" (ie not including the message body). 

Don Loflin
UT Austin
loflin@mail.utexas.edu




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Date: 25 Jun 1996 20:54:10 GMT
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960620222114.9699C-100000@unix.collider.com>,
	chad simmons <chads@unix.collider.com> writes:
>Does anyone know how to add headers to pine. I want to add X-Anon-To: and 
>others I also want to add X-Anon-Password:.
>Thanks,
>Chad Simmons
>P.s. Please send me any replies and post them to the news groups.

You could add these items to the "customized hdrs" in the setup_config
menu.  In addition, you need to do a "^R" when you start composing the
message to display all the header lines since you may need to add info
such as recipient addresses.

Try a few times and you can master it very soon.   

Cheers!

Jie
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In the main menu there should be a command within the command menu at the
bottom that says B Report Bug.  Basicly you should just beable to type a B
at the main menu and automatically report a bug.

 On 25 Jun 1996, Herman Van Uytven wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Which is the E-mail address at cac.washington.edu to mail bug reports.
> I did not find it in one of the txt files.
> 
> -Herman-
> 
> 
> 

Beth Peterson
bethp@fnal
Physics Department



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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, MAS Inc. wrote:

> I'm running pine 3.94 on SCO 3.2v4.1.  Most of the terminal have the
> printer setup as "lp -dP6".  When you go into a message and print the
> first time, everything's okay.  But if you try to print immediately again,
> although the message prints, you never get back to pine.  You have to kill
> the process to get control back.  You never see the second "PRINT Result"
> message.

Try to uncomment the following line in pine/osdep/os-sco.h :

/* #define SYSV_SIGNALS    /* use System-V signal semantics (ttyin.c) */

Enabling System-V signal semantics turned out to solve this problem on my
SCO 3.2v4.2 and 3.2v5.0 systems. A BIG thank you to Michael Seibel from
the Pine Team for pointing me to the possible cause and its solution!

Kind regards,

- Richard.

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How do I untar pine (or any file)? (I am not a very smart computer person)
and how do I uncompress pine?

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> I find this really difficult to believe: "build" is a small shell script
> that is included in the Pine source code distribution.
> 
> Assuming you have correctly obtained, uncompressed and unpacked the Pine
> source code distribution (see my previous message) you should look in the
> topmost directory produced by the unpacking step.  This will be within
> whatever directory toy were in when you used tar to unpack the archive,
> and will be called something like "pine-3.94".
> 
> cd to into this directory (as I told you in my previous message) and you
> will find a number of files and directories.  One of the files is the
> "build" shell script.
> 
> You now need to run that script.
> 
> On most sensibly set up systems you can just type "build" now that you are
> in the right directory (most systems check the current directory for any
> command you type, looking for a program or script of that name to run).
> 
> Otherwise you will have to explicitly tell your Bourne shell to run the
> script:
> 
> 	sh build XXX
> 
> Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
> Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/
> 
> >  \|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||/
> > --We don't have the "build" command. Is there another way to do this?-
> >  /|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\
> 
> 

Li Tao
ltao@jell.fullerton.edu



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I just upgraded unix system pine from 3.91 to 3.94 (oooh, nice features).
Should I also upgrade the /usr/local/pine.conf system defaults file ?

__________________________________________________________________
John Andrea                         St. Francis Xavier Univ.
University Computer Services        Antigonish, NS, CANADA B2G 2W5
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Does anyone have any informationon PC Pine???

C-





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Does anyone know how I can mark messages in a useNet newsgroup (Yes, I
know about using the ":" key) and then forward those messages to an email
address elsewhere.

Specifically, I want to "G"o to comp.this.and.that.etc, then I want to
mark the 17 messages which look like they might be interesting, then I
want to press a magic keystroke sequence which sends them all to that
email address at once, and not have to do each one by hand.

I've got a telnet connection to a shell account, and that should explain
why I want to do all that gugla-dugla.

Thanks for any info.



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Hi, all!

The WhereIs command in index screen searches only the screen output. If
Subject line is too long to fit on the screen, the rest isn't touched.

Is there simple way to search in *whole* subject line without using Aplly
command?

thanks in advance

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sugarman@mmpcs1.psf.lmco.com (Don Sugarman) writes:

 >What is the meaning of 
 >  ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 has older revision than expected 9 
 >on starting Pine 3.94.

What OS?  It looks like Solaris 2.x.  It is generally harmless.  The
sysadmin has installed a version that was linked on a more recent version of
Solaris than the one it is running on.  Have the sysadmin link it on the
oldest version of Solaris 2.x available, or have her make a link between
/usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 and /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9 to fool the loader.

 >TIA,

 >Don Sugarman
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mcote@julian.uwo.ca (Mike Cote) writes:

 >On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Don Sugarman wrote:

 >> What is the meaning of 
 >>   ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.8 has older revision than expected 9 
 >> on starting Pine 3.94.

 >It means you're running an older version of SunOS than that which was used
 >to compile pine.   You can do any one of a number of things:

 >	1) Rebuild pine for your current OS revision.
 >	2) Upgrade your OS
 >	3) copy the newer /usr/lib/libc.so.1.9 to your system's /usr/lib
 >	   directory.

This might cause some problems.  There are subtle changes in some of the
kernel stuff and networking stuff as you go from release to release.  I
believe I just did a symlink from libc.so.1.8 libc.so.1.9 when I was
managing old SunOS.  I have also done this with the runtime compatibility
libs on Solaris 2.x.

 >	4) Copy libc.so.1.9 into /usr/local/lib and make sure your
 >	   environment has LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable set such that it
 >	   includes /usr/local/lib.

Generally LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be avoided if possible.

 >	5) Put up with the warning message - it doesn't cause any real
 >	   problems.
 >My personal preference is (4)...


 >	- Mike


 >-----------
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 >Information Technology Services (ITS)
 >University of Western Ontario		    Phone: (519) 661-2151,  X 6048
 >London, Ontario Canada

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Greg Bassett (greg@dhc1.deehoward.com) wrote:
: We are DESPERATE!!  We have been trying to get pine stable on AIX 4.1 for
: several weeks.  We have 150 users that continue to have terminal lock-up
: problems throughout the program.  (We are getting 50-75 calls PER DAY on
: this problem).
: 
: Users are on a variety of Wyse 150, IBM 3151 terminals, and PC's.  PINE
: seems to lock up completely, then when we kill the users process, the
: terminal's settings have been completely screwed up.  

Try adding this to your /usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed:

feature-list= disable-keyboard-lock-cmd,
	      preserve-start-stop-characters,
	      assume-slow-link

I too had problems with serial line terminals.  The problems seemed to be
that Pine and Pico were absorbing XON/XOFF characters, and not obeying 
them.  Adding these options help tremendously.

FWIW,

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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Carla Golden wrote:

> Does anyone have any informationon PC Pine???

What type of information?
 -  Hans



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From: didac@ac.upc.es (Didac Lopez)
Subject: PINE for OVMS
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I'm triying to compile PINE for Open VMS, but i have a lot of dificulties for
to do it.


There is anybody who has how to find a copy prepared for that?.



Thanks in advance.



	didac@ac.upc.es
	didac@pluto.udg.es




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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Pine Info Mailing List <pine-info@cac.washington.edu>
Cc: Pine Suggestions <pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Feature suggestion for Pine: macros/To & CC text selection
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Personally I'm not terribly fussed over having macros (thelongest I type
is "; S N $ O ^W ^Y" which is manageable)

HOWEVER, having a text selection option of "To: & Cc:" would indeed indeed
be excellent...

I have given up trying to select and zoom onto messages from a particular
mailing list because it is just to long to do the double selection needed
to search first the "To:" field and then the "Cc:" field.

Cheers,

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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Don Loflin wrote:

> Oh, another nice thing to have would be a text-selection field of "To and
> CC" or perhaps "all headers" (ie not including the message body). 



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It certainly would!  (It's quite different for kill-files for Usenet News
because there the offending articles are merely "hidden" rather than
permanently deleted, so it is possible for you to "get them back" if need
be.)

Personally I think extending this to a feature within a mail reader would
be putting a worryingly powerful facility into the hands of potentially
naive users.  I think sticking with a delivery filter such as procmail to
redirect/return/trash messages may be better, as these tend to be only
used by the more advanced user.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:
> 
> > Pine does indeed provide commands to do this (Select, Apply and Zoom), but
> > admittedly can't be set up to *automatically* perform a sequence of these
> > when a folder is opened.  (Probably a good thing, otherwise the hidden
> > messages would probably be left sitting there ad infinitum:-)
> 
> What would be neat is if it could automagically delete them.  Of course,
> this is code that would need extensive debugging before it went out the
> door.  :-)



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Clint Danbury <danbury@ssnshirt.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Forwarding 17 messages at once
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The age-old question gets the age-old response... :-)

0.  Go to the Setup Configuration screen ("S" then "C" at Pine's Main
    Menu).  Make sure the "enable-aggregate-command-set" feature is
    selected.

1.  This then gives you some extra commands to use in the Index screens
    (both e-mail and Usenet News): Select (;), Apply (A) and Zoom (Z).
    In the Index select the messages you want to operate on by either
    using the ":" command to select the individually, or the ";" command
    to select them in batches if they share a common attribute (eg,
    sender, date, subject string)

2.  Give the Apply (A) command to apply a command to the entire set of
    selected messages.  This will take you to a menu of the commands you
    can apply: you want "F" (Forward).

Cheers,

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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Clint Danbury wrote:

> 
> Does anyone know how I can mark messages in a useNet newsgroup (Yes, I
> know about using the ":" key) and then forward those messages to an email
> address elsewhere.
> 
> Specifically, I want to "G"o to comp.this.and.that.etc, then I want to
> mark the 17 messages which look like they might be interesting, then I
> want to press a magic keystroke sequence which sends them all to that
> email address at once, and not have to do each one by hand.
> 
> I've got a telnet connection to a shell account, and that should explain
> why I want to do all that gugla-dugla.
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> 
> 
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> 



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Subject: Re: How to Download in Text
Date: 21 Jun 1996 16:23:23 GMT
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Dear Barbara
  One other thought--maybe you will have to decode it.  What kind of
extension did you get when it ended up in your directory??

--
    W                   __  __
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    E          ._.     |::||::|   ._.
    |\         |:| ._. |::||::|   |/|
    \ \\|/     |:|_|/| |::||::|_  |/|
     |-( )-    |:|"|/|_|::||::|\|_|/| _
     | V L     |:|"|/|||::||::|\|||/||:|
     \    `  ___   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      |    \/  /      ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~



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jean glick (sfao6g@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us) wrote:
: Barbara Bernice Griffin (sfzna@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us) wrote:
: : I have not been able to receive Text file from Freenet onto my computer.  
: : I have been able to receive Binary Text, however, I so not know how to 
: : deciper this, therefore it is useless to me.  Can someone please help

: Dear Barbara,
:   Have you tried Z modem?  It works for me on text and puts it in my
: transfer file (for Comit it's "Recv"--for Bitcom it's "xfer").  Then I
: bring it up in some word processing program such as Word or WP.  Hope this
: helps. --
:     W                   __  __
:    [ ]                 |::||::|
:     E          ._.     |::||::|   ._.
:     |\         |:| ._. |::||::|   |/|
:     \ \\|/     |:|_|/| |::||::|_  |/|
:      |-( )-    |:|"|/|_|::||::|\|_|/| _
:      | V L     |:|"|/|||::||::|\|||/||:|
:      \    `  ___   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:       |    \/  /      ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~


--
Dear Barbara
  Maybe you message needs to be decoded--what kind of extension does it
have when it ends up in your file?
    W                   __  __
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    |\         |:| ._. |::||::|   |/|
    \ \\|/     |:|_|/| |::||::|_  |/|
     |-( )-    |:|"|/|_|::||::|\|_|/| _
     | V L     |:|"|/|||::||::|\|||/||:|
     \    `  ___   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      |    \/  /      ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~



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Date: 21 Jun 1996 17:13:56 GMT
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Greetings: I have just installed netscape 2.01 and tried using its new 
email function. Whenever I try to access my POP server from the pine 
distribution system I get the UIDL error message. Can anyone tell me what 
I need to do to get UIDL?

Thanks



Jim


ps. I hope this is not an old question.




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In article <Pine.GSO.3.93.960626002039.18740D-100000@siemens.tamu.edu>,
	Faisal Karim <faisal@ee.tamu.edu> writes:
>
>How do i configure pine for PGP, i havealready set up the filters and then
>what do i have to do.

I have a  web page "http://www.pharm.med.uc.edu/~yuan/pine_pgp.html" for
this purpose.  Please visit and comment.

Jie
-- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
== POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
== Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
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Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
> I can't seem to find your bug report on the uuencode crash, and it
> certainly isn't reproducible here.  If you can reproduce it with 3.94,

This was with pine 3.93. It crashed most of the time when trying to
insert a big text file with ^R, not necessarily a uuencoded one. 

I got an email replay today saying this was fixed in 3.94, so don't
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I am trying to get the syntax right for doing remote access such that:

pine does not attempt to do an rsh to the host to start /etc/rimapd,
with a predefined mail box.  I've got it working the other way, but
the rsh is bad news for later on. Suggestions on setting the
remote config appreciated.

Ben
bent@snm.com


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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
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The POP server included with the standard Pine distribution does not
include the UIDL command.

Instead download the separate IMAP 4 server, which does.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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PS.  Yes, it is an old question, I'm afraid :-)


On 21 Jun 1996, Jim Chivas wrote:

> Greetings: I have just installed netscape 2.01 and tried using its new 
> email function. Whenever I try to access my POP server from the pine 
> distribution system I get the UIDL error message. Can anyone tell me what 
> I need to do to get UIDL?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> ps. I hope this is not an old question.
> 
> 



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From: "Richard G. Roberto" <richr@bear.com>
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On 27 Jun 1996, Ben Taylor wrote:

> I am trying to get the syntax right for doing remote access such that:
> 
> pine does not attempt to do an rsh to the host to start /etc/rimapd,
> with a predefined mail box.  I've got it working the other way, but
> the rsh is bad news for later on. Suggestions on setting the
> remote config appreciated.
> 
> Ben
> bent@snm.com
> 
Ben,

I believe there is no way for this to occur.  "rsh" uses the current uid
by default, which means /etc/rimapd will fetch the "inbox" for that user.
Putting an entry in /etc/services and /etc/ientd.conf for imapd at port
143 will allow you to not have to do the rsh to /etc/rimapd.  Then you can
remove /etc/rimapd to force using port 143.  This will force pine to
prompt you for a username and passwd.  Will this suffice?  The only other
thing I can think of would be to do something like:

incoming-folers=Mailbox1 {host.name}/path/to/mail1,
Mailbox2 {host.name}/path/to/mail2, etc

in your .pinerc file (assuming you have "enable-incoming-folders" set.
This should give you an incoming folder collection with:

INBOX	Mailbox1	Mailbox2	etc...

as selection choices.  INBOX will open the folder specified by the
"inbox-path=" value inyour .pinerc file and the others should try to open
the files specified above.  If /etc/rimapd is there, and your .rhosts file
is setup for no passwd access, _and_ you have rw access to the files
specified, you should be able to open them without entering a username and
passwd.  If these are not alternate "inboxes" then you can just include
them in the list of folder-collections in .pinerc and that works fine.

I have a .pinerc file setup to give me a choice of three different
"inboxes" (on three different systems).  I also have three different
folder-collections setup.  The first is the default for saving, but I can
save to the others by specifying which collection, a la:

folder to save to [saved-messages]:{work.machine}mail/project

etc.


I hope this helps.  If you get this working, please let me know what you
did.  I don't have time to play around with this stuff right now, but I'm
interested in doing it at some point.

Thanks


Richard G. Roberto
richr@bear.com
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Are you using NFS to access your mail?  If so, try accessing mail only
locally or via IMAP.

-- Mark --

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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote:

> Hi, all!
> 
> The WhereIs command in index screen searches only the screen output. If
> Subject line is too long to fit on the screen, the rest isn't touched.
> 
> Is there simple way to search in *whole* subject line without using Aplly
> command?
I use select, text, all, zoom (;taz).

Don Sugarman
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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: "Richard G. Roberto" <richr@bear.com>
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> On 27 Jun 1996, Ben Taylor wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to get the syntax right for doing remote access such that:
> > 
> > pine does not attempt to do an rsh to the host to start /etc/rimapd,
> > with a predefined mail box.  I've got it working the other way, but
> > the rsh is bad news for later on. Suggestions on setting the
> > remote config appreciated.
> 
> Ben,
> 
> I believe there is no way for this to occur.  [SNIP!]

Not true (if I understand the question correctly)...

The usual sequence of events when opening a mail folder is:

1.  Pine tries "rsh"  to connect to the specified host end execute
    "/etc/rimapd".

2.  If this fails (eg, no permission to use rsh, /etc/rimapd not there,
    etc) Pine falls back to connecting to port 143 and then prompts for a
    username and password to be entered.

Step 1 *can* be bypassed by including the port number explicitly in the
host definition (by appending the host name with ":143") in your
configuration file (typically accessed through Pine's Setup Configuration
screen).

For example,

	{imap.myhost.mydomain:143}inbox

or whatever folder it is you are defining.

This is very useful for sites who haven't set up the /etc/rimapd link and
rsh to allow direct access (without having to type in a username and
password again) to their mail via Pine and IMAP.

[Disclaimer: the above certainly worked up to and including Pine 3.91.  I
hereby admit I haven't tried it with later versions, but would be
surprised if the behaviour was different.]

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> The POP server included with the standard Pine distribution does not
> include the UIDL command.
>=20
> Instead download the separate IMAP 4 server, which does.

... or use Netscape 3.0 beta 4, which does not need UIDL command :-)

V. S.

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ralf@sbk-ks.de (Ralf Gerhard):
> a few days ago I have installed pine-3.94 on a SCO machine (3.2.4.2).
> How can I turn off 'quoted printable' transfer encoding?
> I've found nothing in the FAQ or in the menu SETUP CONFIGURE.

Hint:  Do not use 8bit characters.  Then there will be no need for QP.

Sven



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From: valerie@news.netgate.net (Valerie Lambert)
Subject: Win95 Pine 3.94 no longer able to send
Date: 26 Jun 1996 22:35:06 GMT
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Not long ago, I had Pine 3.94 running beautifully on my Win95 box.  Now,
when I attempt to send a message, I receive the tremendously helpful error:

   [Error sending: ]

I have verified and reverified that the SMTP host is receptive and
responsive, and this did work recently, so I am quite puzzled.  Is it
possible that test runs of other mail clients (Simeon, Embla, Roam) on the
same Win 95 box have whacked a local file that Pine needed for sending?
Please find enclosed the debug file.

Thanks,

----- begin log

Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2).  Version 3.94
Wed Jun 26 10:21:24 1996

reading_pinerc "C:\WINDOWS\PINE\pinerc"
Read 11212 characters:
======= Current_val options set =======
          user-domain : savina.com
          smtp-server : savina.com
           inbox-path : {savina.com}INBOX
   folder-collections : {savina.com}mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
 default-saved-msg-fo : savemail
     postponed-folder : postpond
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : pine.sig
         address-book : addrbook
         feature-list : enable-tab-completion
                      : expanded-view-of-folders
                      : include-header-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : save-will-not-delete
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : compose-cut-from-cursor
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
 default-composer-hdr : ""
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : Arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
               editor : \windows\desktop\emacs.pif
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : ""
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : Yes
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.94
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : C:\WINDOWS\PINE\NEWSRC
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
     folder-extension : MTX
            font-name : ""
            font-size : -9
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
      window-position : 77x36+0+0
======= Command_line_val options set =======
======= User_val options set (C:\WINDOWS\PINE\pinerc) =======
        personal-name : Valerie Lambert
              user-id : valerie
          user-domain : savina.com
          smtp-server : savina.com
           inbox-path : {savina.com}INBOX
   folder-collections : {savina.com}mail/[]
          default-fcc : ""
 default-saved-msg-fo : savemail
         feature-list : enable-tab-completion
                      : expanded-view-of-folders
                      : include-header-in-reply
                      : include-text-in-reply
                      : save-will-not-delete
                      : signature-at-bottom
                      : compose-cut-from-cursor
                      : expunge-without-confirm
                      : enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
 default-composer-hdr : ""
             sort-key : Arrival
               editor : \windows\desktop\emacs.pif
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : ""
 use-only-domain-name : Yes
 last-time-prune-ques : 96.6
    last-version-used : 3.94
            font-name : ""
            font-size : -9
           font-style : ""
      print-font-name : ""
      print-font-size : ""
     print-font-style : ""
      window-position : 77x36+0+0
======= Global_val options set (pinerc) =======
           inbox-path : inbox
          default-fcc : sentmail
 default-saved-msg-fo : savemail
     postponed-folder : postpond
       mail-directory : mail
       signature-file : pine.sig
         address-book : addrbook
  saved-msg-name-rule : default-folder
        fcc-name-rule : default-fcc
             sort-key : arrival
   addrbook-sort-rule : fullname-with-lists-last
 composer-wrap-column : 74
  reply-indent-string : > 
 empty-header-message : Undisclosed recipients
 use-only-domain-name : no
              printer : attached-to-ansi
     standard-printer : lpr
        bugs-fullname : Pine Developers
         bugs-address : pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu
     suggest-fullname : Pine Developers
      suggest-address : pine-suggestions@cac.washington.edu
       local-fullname : Local Support
        local-address : postmaster
  kblock-passwd-count : 1
       viewer-overlap : 2
        scroll-margin : 0
 status-message-delay : 0
  mail-check-interval : 150
          newsrc-path : C:\WINDOWS\PINE\NEWSRC
       elm-style-save : no
      header-in-reply : no
        feature-level : sapling
      old-style-reply : no
       save-by-sender : no
     folder-extension : MTX
======= Fixed_val options set (NO FIXED) =======
========== Feature settings ==========
  no-assume-slow-link
  no-auto-move-read-msgs
  no-auto-open-next-unread
  no-auto-zoom-after-select
  no-auto-unzoom-after-apply
     compose-cut-from-cursor
  no-compose-maps-delete-key-to-ctrl-d
  no-compose-rejects-unqualified-addrs
  no-compose-send-offers-first-filter
  no-compose-sets-newsgroup-without-confirm
  no-delete-skips-deleted
  no-disable-config-cmd
  no-disable-default-in-bug-report
  no-disable-busy-alarm
  no-disable-keyboard-lock-cmd
  no-disable-keymenu
  no-disable-password-cmd
  no-disable-update-cmd
  no-disable-signature-edit-cmd
  no-enable-8bit-esmtp-negotiation
  no-enable-8bit-nntp-posting
  no-enable-aggregate-command-set
  no-enable-alternate-editor-cmd
     enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
  no-enable-bounce-cmd
  no-enable-cruise-mode
  no-enable-cruise-mode-delete
  no-enable-dot-files
  no-enable-dot-folders
  no-enable-flag-cmd
  no-enable-flag-screen-implicitly
  no-enable-full-header-cmd
  no-enable-goto-in-file-browser
  no-enable-incoming-folders
  no-enable-jump-shortcut
  no-enable-mail-check-cue
  no-enable-mouse-in-xterm
  no-enable-newmail-in-xterm-icon
  no-enable-suspend
     enable-tab-completion
  no-enable-unix-pipe-cmd
  no-enable-verbose-smtp-posting
  no-expanded-view-of-addressbooks
  no-expanded-view-of-distribution-lists
     expanded-view-of-folders
     expunge-without-confirm
  no-fcc-on-bounce
  no-include-attachments-in-reply
     include-header-in-reply
     include-text-in-reply
  no-news-approximates-new-status
  no-news-post-without-validation
  no-news-read-in-newsrc-order
  no-pass-control-characters-as-is
  no-preserve-start-stop-characters
  no-print-offers-custom-cmd-prompt
  no-print-includes-from-line
  no-print-index-enabled
  no-print-formfeed-between-messages
  no-quell-dead-letter-on-cancel
  no-quell-lock-failure-warnings
  no-quell-status-message-beeping
  no-quell-user-lookup-in-passwd-file
  no-quit-without-confirm
  no-reply-always-uses-reply-to
  no-save-aggregates-copy-sequence
  no-save-will-quote-leading-froms
     save-will-not-delete
  no-save-will-advance
  no-select-without-confirm
  no-show-cursor
  no-show-selected-in-boldface
     signature-at-bottom
  no-single-column-folder-list
  no-tab-visits-next-new-message-only
  no-use-current-dir
  no-use-function-keys
  no-use-sender-not-x-sender
  no-use-subshell-for-suspend
Userid: valerie
Fullname: "Valerie Lambert"
User domain name being used "savina.com"
Local Domain name being used " "
Host name being used " "
Mail Domain name being used (by c-client too)"savina.com"
---- write_pinerc ----
Context {savina.com}mail/[] type: REMOTE
Context {savina.com}mail/[] type: REMOTE
About to open folder "INBOX"    inbox: "INBOX"
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {savina.com}INBOX : www.savina.com IMAP4 Service 8.3(143) at Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (Report problems in this server to MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU)
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {savina.com}INBOX : [UIDVALIDITY 835218240] UID validity status
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {savina.com}INBOX : [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft \Seen)] Permanent flags
IMAP mm_notify NIL : {savina.com}INBOX : [UNSEEN 59] 59 is first unseen
Opened folder "{savina.com}INBOX" with 89 messages
Sorting by Arrival
IMAP 10:21:47 6/26 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd
- mailcap_free -


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----
- mailcap_free -


    ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ----
IMAP 10:22:00 6/26 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\intruptd

=== send called ===

  ---- COMPOSER ----
- build_address - (valerie)
-- init_addrbooks(Closed, 0, 0, 1) --
- adrbk_open(C:\WINDOWS\PINE\addrbook) -
Address book addrbook (C:\WINDOWS\PINE\addrbook) opened with 0 items
- adrbk_lookup_by_nick(valerie) (in C:\WINDOWS\PINE\addrbook) -
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(valerie@savina.com) (in C:\WINDOWS\PINE\addrbook) -
- build_address - ()
Want_to read: y (121)
call_mailer ERROR: Error sending: 
Send failed, continuing

  ---- COMPOSER ----
- build_address - (valerie@savina.com)
- adrbk_lookup_by_addr(valerie@savina.com) (in C:\WINDOWS\PINE\addrbook) -
Want_to read: ^@ (0)
Want_to read: y (121)
call_mailer ERROR: Error sending: 
Send failed, continuing

  ---- COMPOSER ----
IMAP 10:23:51 6/26 mm_log babble: Find of mailbox outside context: C:\WINDOWS\PINE\deadletr
done.
- mailcap_free -


    ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ----


 ---- MAIL INDEX ----


 ---- INDEX MANAGER ----


  -----  MAIL VIEW  -----
- mc_init -
mailcap: process_file: C:\WINDOWS\PINE\MAILCAP
mailcap: process_file: C:\WINDOWS\PINE\\MAILCAP
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
done.
IMAP 10:31:12 6/26 mm_log babble: Check completed
done.
done.
MAIL_CMD: quit


    ---- QUIT SCREEN ----
Want_to read: y (121)
expunge and close mail stream "{savina.com}INBOX"
IMAP 10:31:38 6/26 mm_log babble: Expunged 9 messages
IMAP mm_notify bye : {savina.com}INBOX : www.savina.com IMAP4 server terminating connection
about to end_tty_driver
- completely_done_with_adrbks -
- mailcap_free -

----- end log
-- 
--
Valerie Lambert - valerie@veritas.com - VERITAS Software



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From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Vladim=EDr_Solnick=FD?= {Vladimir Solnicky} <vs@utia.cas.cz>
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On 25 Jun 1996, Sven Guckes wrote:

> ralf@sbk-ks.de (Ralf Gerhard):
> > a few days ago I have installed pine-3.94 on a SCO machine (3.2.4.2).
> > How can I turn off 'quoted printable' transfer encoding?
> > I've found nothing in the FAQ or in the menu SETUP CONFIGURE.
>=20
> Hint:  Do not use 8bit characters.  Then there will be no need for QP.

Maybe more completely: Do not use eight-bit characters _AND_ do not send
letters with lines longer then 1000 characters. Then there will be no nee=
d
for QP.=20

V. S.

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182 08 Praha 8-Libe=F2, +42 2 6605/2364, telefax: +42 2 6884677,
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On 21 Jun 1996, Herman Van Uytven wrote:

> When I use Pine 3.94 (or Pico) on Windows 3.11 with code page 850

    Hmmm.  You say you are using one of the Windows Pine versions
(pcp_w16.zip or pcp_w32.zip), but somehow you are using IBM Code Page 850,
which is a PC code page that does not see much use under Windoze?

    The usual code page which sees use in western European Windows is
1252, which is identical to ISO 8859-1 in those positions where ISO 8859-1
includes printing characters.  But if you are truly using CP850, but
labelling it in your configuration as iso-8859-1 then read on...



> Do I need to work with ISO_TO_CP and CP_TO_ISO environment variables 
> and corresponding files (does that work) ?
> If so, has someone already composed them.

    Well, yes, to do what you are wanting.  While DOS versions of PC-Pine
would gladly make use of these variables to perform translation from the
preferred over-the-wire MIME charsets to the DOS code pages (and in fact,
had code internally to perform the translation between the most common
charsets and code pages), the Windows version did not consult any
translation tables, until the most recent release (3.94) -- although I
have not personally verified that this release does indeed perform
properly with Windows translation tables.

    The reason why the Windows Pine never bothered with translation is
because CP1252 was close enough to ISO 8859-1.  Unfortunately, at least
one of the other Windoze code pages is sufficiently different from the
corresponding subset of ISO 8859 that it cannot be used with accented
characters.

    If you look in the Pine source code, you will see the tables which are
used internally for translation between the preferred MIME charsets and
the DOS code pages, which can be found in pine3.94/pine/osdep/codepage.dos
(a new location in 3.94), and you can steal from these to create the
environment tables.  Note that the format in the source code is slightly
different from what I have in the files here which are read for the
environment variables, and the desired format is documented in the tech
notes (or somewhere), so it's a simple matter of a quick conversion (I
think stripping out the commas will do it for you, but check to be sure). 

    The easiest thing, of course, under Windows, is to use CP1252, but you
should be able to use the ISO_TO_CP and vicey-versus with the latest Pine,
as users of Central European Windows and Pine will want to do to convert
CP1250 to the MIME charset ISO 8859-2 so that at last all characters will
be correct.  (I've been way overworked to be able to configure this
myself, sorry...)


Barry Bouwsma
<barryb@tuke.sk>



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From: Erick Gonzalez <ergonzal@colomsat.net.co>
Subject: Re: Sendmail and user quotas
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:02:02 -0500
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Marcelo Zacarias wrote:
> 
> : My question is, (how) does Sendmail support user quotas.  When I
> : have tried to stress out the quotas on the mail partition, by slamming a
> : inbox, Sendmail appears to continue to deliver to a over-the-quota user.
> 
> Install procmail and replace the 'mail' command in the sendmail.cf
> with procmail. It's all explained in the procmail's docs...
> 
...

Nah. The problem is that deliver, the one that actually gets mails to a
user, runs suid root, so quotas won't do you any good here. Just look in
the sendmail.cf file, add an option to sendmail so it uses a system
delivery file other than the standard (look in the manual, I forgot the
option). When you do this, for security reasons, deliver drops its
privileges...and you are all set. As for the system delivery file...if
you don't wanna do anything fancy, just echo the users that should
receive the mail, which are given as parameters in the command line.
Look it up in the deliver man page, it's all there..


Erick


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Subject: When will pine report incoming mail in incoming folders other than inbox?
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Hi, 
I have been using pine for a while now and it doesnt report new mail in incoming
folders except the main inbox, when is this going to be supported? 
or have i missed the option in 3.94.

Cheers Ian

Ian G. Clark BSc.(ENG) ... *Sparks*.     Electronic Eng., Kings College London.
(My own comments,not KCL's).   <><   ** I've found the truth! How about you? **
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I just downloaded the Linux binary for Pine 3.94. When I attempt to run it,
it says "Command not found" and stops. Any ideas? I'm running kernel 1.1.94
of Linux.

=============================================================================
John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com
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On a VMS system (5.5-2) running pine 3.89, I have a large number of messages.
I'd like to copy these to a PC running the current version of pine (3.94, I
believe). That is, I'd like to have the messages accessible as if they had
been received on the PC originally.

Is there any easy way to do this?

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When I run pine (UNIX) it seems that it enters "mesg n" status
meaning refuse write(1) on my terminal. That makes it impossible
for me to see talk requests that I find very important.
Is it possible to configure this somehow, or work around it?

Fredric


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I recently upgraded an HP 9000 G50 from HP-UX 9.04 to 10.01. When accessed
through telnet on Windows (specifically QVTnet on Win 95) it hangs the
session if the window is minimized/resized. Any suggestions on a solution?

Thanks in advance,

Allen Gooch
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From: Kjell Andresen <kjell.andresen@usit.uio.no>
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   Are you using NFS to access your mail?  If so, try accessing mail only
   locally or via IMAP.

   -- Mark --

   DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"

OK, but I do have to compile it first. Have you done this successfullyor did
you use the readycompiled for a41?

-Kjell

DoD #1708, Jawa 350
-- 
-Kjell


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In comp.mail.pine, Fredric Ihren (fred@alv.nada.kth.se) dared to write:
: When I run pine (UNIX) it seems that it enters "mesg n" status
: meaning refuse write(1) on my terminal. That makes it impossible
: for me to see talk requests that I find very important.
: Is it possible to configure this somehow, or work around it?

If you are using 3.93 or 3.94, there is a configurable switch,
"allow-talk".  Just flip this to on, and that will allow talk
requests through.

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From: "Mihai T. LAZARESCU" <mihai@ccmserv.polito.it>
Subject: Re: Mark all messages as read in Pine?
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:22:02 +0100
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Pavel V Khaustov wrote:

> Hi,
> how can one make Pine mark all messages in a newsgroup as read?
> (similar to "catch up" in tin newsreader). Thanks,
>                 Pavel

Go to the index of the newsgroup you want then:

** Select them all: ;a

** Delete all selected messages: ad

** Expunge: x

That's all.

Mihai L.

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From: ELDA PATRICIA HERNANDEZ MALDONADO <al178715@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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     Hi I'm Tricia and I like to know if you can teach me the way to 
connect with people of others countries . I think this way to comunicate 
with other people it's so eficient and safety . Well if you can help me 
I'd really apreciate you . 
     Bye. Tricia


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From: niteowl@infi.net (Danny Moses)
Subject: Reading Pine mail folders offline in DOS
Date: 22 Jun 1996 23:05:38 GMT
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I use Pine from a Unix shell account and have burgeoning mail folders that
I'd like to take offline.  I can read the mail folders offline with a
DOS-based program like list, but I would prefer to be able to view the
email subject/date index and choose which email to reread.  With a typical
DOS-based text viewer the mail folder is one big blob of text.
I tried installing PC-PINE on my computer at home, but it won't start up
saying there isn't a PCTCP module present.  Obviously it wants to go online
or at least have that capability.  Is there some way to start up PC-PINE
without having my Winsock start up also?  Also, this is one big program for
what little I want it to do.  Is there some sort of utility for DOS or
Windows that will index/sort/view PINE mail folders offline?
Thanks for any and all help.
-- 
Danny in Yorktown, VA
email address: niteowl@infi.net


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How do I copy *all* of the messages in a folder collection? I am trying to 
copy all the messages in a newsgroup to a folder. Is there and easier command 
to do this? (other than selecting all the messages in each folder, one 
folder by another folder) Also, how can I change the default folder to 
save messages to?

Thank you for helping.

Li Tao
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Subject: Re: Sort/Select by date : bug with date field
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:46:07 +0200
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Andreas Muck wrote:
> 
> I have another question too. When using "Sort by Date" it doesn't sort
> by the date found in the "Date:" field, it uses instead the "Received:"
> field, am I right?
> 

The support team answered to a bug report I sent,
telling me that pine does not always understand 
the Date Field. These messages are then grouped at the
beginning of the index.
Perhaps the date header is not
normalized enough too.

-- 
Marc Herbert


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Not necessarily for any specific version, but I am using 3.94.  Is there
any way to change the format with which pine quotes messages and articles,
rather than the bland "On <date>, <name> wrote:" ?  If not now, is
there any work on that, or is it just unimportant?

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From: cx163@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Morton Lee Cohen)
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Terry Gray (gray@cac.washington.edu) writes:
> Valerie,
> Pine does not yet support offline mode; it's planned for a future release.
> 
> I haven't kept up on which IMAP clients support offline and disconnected
> operation, but one that does disconnected (the best of both worlds between
> online and offline) is Sun's Roam client: 
>  http://www.sun.com/solstice/Networking-products/sims/index.html
> 
> -teg

Hi Terry,

	Related question. My site is using PINE 3.91 and has the
Folder-Collection line configured to /Mail instead of /Work, and they have
that value fixed, but not the value to save postponed-msg folder, which I
added to the name of the file. Anyway, I was able to save the postponed-msg
folder to my /work directory, where I could upload and download the folder
to and NO Problem there. I can then edit the file on my home computer and
upload the file. The problem occurs after uploading the file, that PINE
doesn't recognize multiple messages within the Postponed-Msg Folder, after
I saved the changes. I never changed the header information, just the body
of the message and when I attempted to load the postponed-msg folder, it
didn't give me a choice of messages, but loaded the entire file as one
message.
	
	When PINE includes the ability to postpone messages, so users can
reply offline to interesting messages, tell the programmers to allow for
users to save messages in another editor, like Qedit or Word, without the
user reformatting the message. I can download the file from the server.
Delete the file on the server. Upload the file to the server and not
editing the file, PINE reads the multiple messages.

	What can I do to have PINE read the edited file, correctly? 

--
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         Creator and Developer of "XUXA" - 1965


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My school (as many do) does not allow CGI access, so I've just had my 
forms mail the responses to me, and I just sort through the gobbledygook 
myself.  However, something must have changed, because I used to just be 
able to read the response right in pine, and now what I see is 
  
[Part 1, Application/X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED  86bytes]
  [Can not display this part. Use the "V" command to save in a file]

When I do that, it's just a simple text file as before.  Is there anyway 
to get pine to just display it, like it used to?  I haven't changed 
versions of pine, I'm sure it's just that some server software got 
upgraded or something like that.

Thanks,
Tony


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References: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960620172727.4460B-100000@darkstar.jpl.nasa.gov> <Pine.NXT.3.94.960620225551.3864A-100000@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <Pine.LNX.3.91.960621110839.5751D-100000@darkstar.jpl.nasa.gov>


Thanks for the info here, I was having the same problem compiling
pine3.94 on my brand new linux box. I installed the latest version of 
slackware from ftp.cc.gatech.edu last week, and this is the first
package I've tried to compile since then.

It turns out the "iovec" is defined in <sys/uio.h> AND in
<linux/uio.h> on my machine. As a matter of fact, there is a comment
in <linux/uio.h> that says you ought to remove the other definition.

So.. I just commented it out of <sys/uio.h> and #included
<linux/uio.h> within <sys/uio.h> (since it needs "struct iovec" later
on). 

Now, I'm not an expert in Linux, so I'm not sure if what I did is
smart or safe, but it works and now I'm using Pine 3.94 !

- Firoze Lafeer
lafeer@symgrp.com

>Boy, that is strange.  Any ideas on how I can investigate this further?  
>I've had a couple of problems building other software packages 
>(xanim27062 and findutils-4.1), and I haven't figured out if the 
>problem was also related to iovec, but by far the majority of packages 
>that I install have no problems with the build.


>___________________________________________________________________________
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>____________________________________________
>__________________

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I got a copy pf pine-bin.linux and when I try to run it I get an error 
"Segmentation fault".
Any sugestions?
Pine 3.94 Linux 1.2.13

On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, John Davis wrote:

> I just downloaded the Linux binary for Pine 3.94. When I attempt to run it,
> it says "Command not found" and stops. Any ideas? I'm running kernel 1.1.94
> of Linux.
> 
> =============================================================================
> John Davis jbdavis@osbm9.osbm.state.nc.us/jbdavis@pobox.com
> Cary, North Carolina  http://www.webbuild.com/~jbdavis/
> =============================================================================
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> 


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From: guckes@banach.math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
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ltao@jell.fullerton.edu (Li Tao):
> What is Pilot, and how can I compile it? 

Why do you want to compile something you don't know what it is for?

Sven

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	Hi there and I hope that you can help me. I actually lost all my
mails in the INBOX because I was in the 'elm' command and I typed yes for
all the messages to be saved in my 'received mails' folder. Can I retrieve
all my messages and save or put it back to my INBOX in PINE? And also can
you tell me how to save all of my mails to a disk. 

	Thanks and I really hope that you can help me. Bye.

X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X-FILES X

"Spooky"							"Spooky"
       Trust No One				     Trust No One
	     Deny Everything               Deny Everything
			   I WANT TO BELIEVE
	     Deny Everything		   Deny Everything			
       Trust No One			             Trust No One		      
"Spooky"							"Spooky"

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I'd like to use Pine to read both my inbox on my home Linux box, and the
inbox on our server at work.  The server is running IMAPD, and I can
access every folder in my collection over there.  However, when I try to
add a folder for {mail.chickasaw.com}INBOX, it tells me it can't add
that folder because it already exists.  I'm using 3.94.  What's the
deal?


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Yes, I strongly support this.

Probably, a configuration parameter, which will list the MIME types to be
treated the same as TEXT.

The actual problem is, how such message should be terated when being
answered. Should the original type be retained, or converted to
TEXT/PLAIN? I am in favor of later.

greetings

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On 26 Jun 1996, Antonio Enrique Prats wrote:

> My school (as many do) does not allow CGI access, so I've just had my 
> forms mail the responses to me, and I just sort through the gobbledygook 
> myself.  However, something must have changed, because I used to just be 
> able to read the response right in pine, and now what I see is 
>   
> [Part 1, Application/X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED  86bytes]
>   [Can not display this part. Use the "V" command to save in a file]
> 
> When I do that, it's just a simple text file as before.  Is there anyway 
> to get pine to just display it, like it used to?  I haven't changed 
> versions of pine, I'm sure it's just that some server software got 
> upgraded or something like that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony
> 



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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Clint Danbury wrote:

> Does anyone know how I can mark messages in a useNet newsgroup (Yes, I
> know about using the ":" key) and then forward those messages to an email
> address elsewhere.

Clint,

>From the message index, use the ';' (semicolon) command to mark all
messages you want to forward. This allows you to specify the messages by
number. Then, press a (apply operation to all marked messages) and f
(forward). This brings up the question 'forward as mime digest?' Press y
to include the forwarded messages as attachments, or n to include them as
plain text. Then, pine takes you to the message composer where you enter
the forward address, and select ctrl-X (send). If you want, you may return
to the index and press ; (select) a (unselect all) to remove the selection
marks.

       -  Hans
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Institut fuer Medizinische Psychologie und Verhaltensneurobiologie
(Institute of Medical Psychology and Behavioural Neurobiology)
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, ADAM Sulmicki wrote:

> 2) When I go thru my mails in my mailbox I sometimes find that some
> messages marked as new I already have read, and they did not have the "N"
> sometime before.
> 	reason for this problem might be because of 3 things:
[...]
>         - it had been exited inproperly few times (kill, power
>           interruption, etc), but I don't think this one is case.

    This can indeed be the case.  If you read a message, and Pine crashes
(or in my case, my IMAP connection goes down) before Pine has had the
chance to checkpoint the mail folder, none of the status changes since the
last checkpoint will be recorded.  This means recently-read messages do
not get marked as read, and will reappear as new at next folder access.

    I have had the experience of a very large number of messages in my
(Cyrus) IMAP folders, which had been marked as read (not new) for several
weeks, all become marked as new.  This has almost always been associated
with crashes of the server, when our machines forget what time it is, and
I was assuming that the access times of these files compared with the
system's idea of the present time is responsible for this (mostly because
I didn't want to look any deeper to try and find out what really happens
there).  I am assuming in this case that the problem I see is not a Pine
problem, but a Cyrus/machine fault.


    Hope this bit of information is useful...

Barry Bouwsma
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I'm trying to set up a 'mail gateway' scheme, and so far all outgoing mail 
works fine.  The only way for me to get incoming mail is to use a popclient 
for each user, which moves all mail downstream to the client machine.

However, I would like to manage these mailboxes remotely on the gateway 
machine.  I set up pine on the client to access the remote machine via IMAP, 
but the error I get says "Can't connect to ideatest1.idea.com,143: Connection 
refused".  I read in this newsgroup that is because the gateway does not have 
the IMAP daemon running.

How do I do this???  The imapd manpage says it must be linked to /etc/rimapd, 
which doesn't exist!



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: My question is, (how) does Sendmail support user quotas.  When I
: have tried to stress out the quotas on the mail partition, by slamming a
: inbox, Sendmail appears to continue to deliver to a over-the-quota user.

Install procmail and replace the 'mail' command in the sendmail.cf 
with procmail. It's all explained in the procmail's docs...

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Seems like a number of us are having hgelp printing email from pine. I
have to highlight it, one screen at a time and transfer it to a file
(usually A:) in from 2 to 10 chunks, then import into Word or Notepad to
print. Is there any way to highlight an entire message in one sweep so I
do not have to do incrementals? Thanks a million. The answer will probably
help a couple of other recent posters. Ciao


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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Antonio Enrique Prats <pratsa@marcus.its.rpi.edu>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
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As of version 3.92 Pine supports "mailcap" files.  These tell programs ho
wo to display (compose, etc) items of a given MIME type.  You could set up
an entry in your systemwide or personal mailcap file for
"Application/X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED" to invoke a pager or editor to view
the item (it'll be a separate program rather than inside Pine itself).

Even better would be to use a program that decodes the WWW-FORM-ENCODING
and displays it in some mre meaningful way.

The hooks _are_ there; you just need to do a bit of research and fiddling
to get it working as you wish (but that's what using computers is all
about:-)

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 26 Jun 1996, Antonio Enrique Prats wrote:

> My school (as many do) does not allow CGI access, so I've just had my 
> forms mail the responses to me, and I just sort through the gobbledygook 
> myself.  However, something must have changed, because I used to just be 
> able to read the response right in pine, and now what I see is 
>   
> [Part 1, Application/X-WWW-FORM-URLENCODED  86bytes]
>   [Can not display this part. Use the "V" command to save in a file]
> 
> When I do that, it's just a simple text file as before.  Is there anyway 
> to get pine to just display it, like it used to?  I haven't changed 
> versions of pine, I'm sure it's just that some server software got 
> upgraded or something like that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tony
> 



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From: Mike Brudenell <pmb1@mailer.york.ac.uk>
To: Jeff Davey <JDavey@idea.com>
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You're almost there, but heading along the road in the wrong direction...

First of all forget about /etc/rimapd ... I'll come to that later.

So... to access you e-mail via IMAP you must first set up an IMAP server
by installing the imapd server software.  The general steps to do this
are:

1.  Put the imapd executable somewhere convenient (eg, /etc, /usr/etc,
    /usr/local/etc, or wherever) and make sure it has execute access to
    everyone.

2.  Configure your inetd so that connection requests arriving on port 143
    fire up the imapd executable.  (ie, edit your inetd.conf file and get
    inetd to reread the config file -- typically by sending it a HUP
    signal if I recall correctly).

3.  As a convenience add "imap" as a name mapping to port 143 in your
    /etc/services file.  (Probably should be done before HUP-ing inetd ...
    I forget.)

Now test your imapd is working properly by using telnet to connect to port
143 of that machine.  For example:

	telnet imap.myhost.mydomain 143

You _should_ get a welcome banner appearing from the IMAP server, to which
you should respond by typing "A01 logout" to disconnect again.  If it
fails then you probably didn't get the inetd.conf line right, or didn't
manage to get inetd to reread the config file.

Now you should be able to set Pine to use IMAP to access your mail folders
(which involves changing their entries in the Setup Configuration screen
from things like "mailinglists" to "{imap.myhost.mydomain}mailinglists".)

HOWEVER whenever you start Pine up it will ask you to enter your username
and password so as to be able to authenticate you to the IMAP server.

Now we get back to the /etc/rimapd thing...

It is possible to set up a "pre-authenticated" version of the IMAP server
so that Pine can use the trusted "rsh" command to start the server, which
then magically deduces your username and trusts you are that user (by
virtue of the rsh mechanism).

This setting up is straightforward at the IMAP server level, but trickier
at the UNIX level (you may need help from others familiar with the
process)...

1.  (Easy bit) Set up a link so that /etc/rimapd connects to the real
    imapd executable (wherever you put it).  For example:

	ln -si /etc/imapd /etc/rimapd

2.  (Trickier bit) Now set up the UNIX rsh mechanism so that you can rsh
    to your server machine.  Typically this is done by you setting up a
    ".rhosts" file for your username *on the IMAP server machine* that
    names the machine you normally use to work on as a "trusted host".
    BE CAREFUL WHEN DOING THIS!  IF YOU GET IT WRONG IT CAN LET OTHERS GET
    ACCESS TO YOUR USERNAME, AND HENCE COMPUTER AND SITE!  SEEK EXPERT
    ADVICE IF YOU NEED IT!

    Alternatively this step can be obviated if the system manager sets up
    a system-wide file on the IMAP server listing trusted hosts (usually
    this file is called something like "hosts.equiv" -- I forget the
    directory).

3.  Test that you have set up the rsh mechanism properly by logging in to
    your normal work machine and giving the command:

	rsh imap.myhost.mydomain /etc/rimapd

    If all goes well you'll see a welcome banner like before, but saying
    "PREAUTH" near the beginning of the line.  Again, disconnect by typing
    "A01 logout" and pressing Return.

    Otherwise look at the error message and try and deduce the problem.
    This will either be with rsh (are you allowed to use it?), the trusted
    host list (you probably set up the .rhosts file wrongly), or the link
    from /etc/rimapd to the real imapd executable.

If you set this up Pine will no longer ask you to enter a username and
password when you start it up (assuming the IMAP server started up within
a given timeout period!).

Sites which decide NOT to set up the /etc/rimapd link should instead
include port 143 explicitly when setting up the folders.  For example:

	{imap.myhost.mydomain:143}inbox

This prevents Pine from trying the rsh mechanism first and then falling
back to a direct connection to port 143.  Instead it just goes straight to
port 143, which can make start-up a bit quicker.

Cheers,

Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
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On 27 Jun 1996, Jeff Davey wrote:

> I'm trying to set up a 'mail gateway' scheme, and so far all outgoing mail 
> works fine.  The only way for me to get incoming mail is to use a popclient 
> for each user, which moves all mail downstream to the client machine.
> 
> However, I would like to manage these mailboxes remotely on the gateway 
> machine.  I set up pine on the client to access the remote machine via IMAP, 
> but the error I get says "Can't connect to ideatest1.idea.com,143: Connection 
> refused".  I read in this newsgroup that is because the gateway does not have 
> the IMAP daemon running.
> 
> How do I do this???  The imapd manpage says it must be linked to /etc/rimapd, 
> which doesn't exist!
> 



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Subject: Re: HELP: AIX-4.1.4 and PINE-3.9.4
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:54:56 -0700
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I used the following changes for PINE 3.94 on AIX 4.1.4 (build a41):

  Changed server_login in imap/ANSI/c-client/log_a41.h to match env.h. 

  Turned off optimization (-O3) in pine/makefile.a41.  The optimization
  did work, but compilation was very, very slow.  This may be why it
  appears to hang on you.  addrbook.c took the longest to compile with
  optimization.

  Turned off BACKGROUND_POST in pine/osdep/os-a41.h (though I'd like to
  use this feature eventually).

  Linked pico and pine with ncurses instead of curses (pico/makefile.a41
  and pine/makefile.a41).  This change seemed to help with a screen
  redrawing problem in pine 3.93 so I used it again with 3.94.

I can't guarantee that these are right and proper things to do, but things
seem to be working.  -- Mark Westergaard, U. of Arizona

On 15 Jun 1996, Farid Hamjavar wrote:

> AIX-4.1.4
> PINE-3.9.4
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Compiling 3.94 on aix4.1 (build a41) produces
> tons of errors and finally hangs and never finishes!
> (using a32 is not any better,  it also hangs and generates a lot of errors).





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since I received my new computer and had to reconfigure to a pentium
processor with Win95, I have had trouble with my password and with
staying on-line. Would you please help me with this process. All of my
configurations to get on-line are correct through Dial-Up Network and
Hyperterminal. I use Telnet to connect to Pine. My domain server is
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	Sincerely,
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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
To: Nereus <talshiar@voicenet.com>
Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Pine 3.94: Change quoting format?
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At this time your only option is to create a sending filter to shuffle the
text in that line...  probably not the answer you were hoping for :)

-teg

On 21 Jun 1996, Nereus wrote:

> Not necessarily for any specific version, but I am using 3.94.  Is there
> any way to change the format with which pine quotes messages and articles,
> rather than the bland "On <date>, <name> wrote:" ?  If not now, is
> there any work on that, or is it just unimportant?
> 
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Nereus         talshiar@voicenet.com    http://www.voicenet.com/~talshiar/
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Date: 27 Jun 1996 13:06:32 GMT
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References: <Pine.A32.3.93.960624133017.70745C-100000@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU>

In <Pine.A32.3.93.960624133017.70745C-100000@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU> "Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan" <dma9w@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU> writes:

   | converts a pine address book into a
   | elm addressbook (and/or vice versa).

I wrote a Perl script 'elm2pine' quite some time ago. I've twice posted it
here. It is also available as:

	http://www.cs.ruu.nl/pub/PINE/elm2pine.shar
	ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/PINE/elm2pine.shar


						--[ Edwin ]--
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Hello, All!

	I was wondering if anyone has been able to print a message (using
the custom command option) from Pine-3.93 that includes the "SUBJECT" line
information?  I am trying to pass the SUBJECT field to the custom script
that does my printing from the application and I can't figure out how to
access information.

	I know it is possible to use the "_FROM_" variable in the Reply-To
indent string, and if there is a way to access the SUBJECT field the same
way it would help immensely!!

	Thank you very much for your time and consideration!!

Marcus E. Harris
Lucent Technologies

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  Hi fellow Pine users!
    Now that procmail and Pine are happily working together...I thought I
  would share some -lessons learned- from this..umm..less-than-enjoyable
  -but-I'm-glad-it's-done experience.

   1. In searching the pine-info archives..I found a article that said you
   had to "enable incoming folders" in Pine and add a new folder collection.
   For this setup here (HP-UX with procmail already as primary mail delivery
   agent) I did not have to enable incoming folders. I _did_ have to make
   a new folder collection.

   2. Add the folder collection to pine using the "pine configuration" option
   in pine...so it moves your old collection down..and makes your new 
   collection the _primary_ collection and default for saves.

   3. As per the filtering faq, the "procmail/log" is a very useful tool..
   shows you _exactly_ what procmail is doing.

   4. I'll have a archive here soon...of .procmailrc recipes..scripts..etc.
   Procmail can do about anything you want it to.. except make a good cup of
   java..:)

  I am _now_ a expert on Procmail (hadn't planned on it) and will be more
  than happy to help anybody else setting it up with Pine. It's not _really_
  that hard once you know what to do...and how to do it right! :) It _really_
  saves me a tremendous amount of time...

  Bryon L Harvey
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Marc Herbert wrote:

> Andreas Muck wrote:
> > [...]
> The support team answered to a bug report I sent,
> telling me that pine does not always understand 
> the Date Field. These messages are then grouped at the
> beginning of the index.
> Perhaps the date header is not
> normalized enough too.

    I think this is so.  From time to time I have received emails in
which the Date field was garbled and even I as a human reader could
only guess at it, so I doubt very much that a mail reader like Pine
could do much more than take some defined default action.  Apparently
mail transmission can proceed even if some non-critical header fields
have been mashed on along the way.

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Text messages tend to compress well. Is there a way to compress mailboxes 
and still be able to access them with IMAPd?

Sami


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  > Your current configuration for "inbox-path" tells Pine:

  > 	1.  That the folder name is "INBOX".
  > 	2.  It is to be found on host 194.157.2.114
  > 	3.  (implicit) The IMAP protocol is to be used to access the
  > 	    folder.
  (...)
  > Your "Can't connect to my.server" message is Pine's way of saying that it
  > tried to connect to an IMAP server on port 143 of the specified host but
  > couldn't.  (It doesn't want a username or password yet; it MAY want these
  > only after it has connected and then tries to authenticate.)

  > This implies that the computer 194.157.2.114 isn't actually running the
  > IMAP server software (either because it has never been installed/set up,
  > ort because there is some configuration problem).

  > Mike Brudenell                                         <pmb1@york.ac.uk>
  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > The Computing Service, University of York, Heslington, York, YO1 5DD, UK
  > Tel: +44-1904-433811  FAX: +44-1904-433740  http://www.york.ac.uk/~pmb1/

  > On 16 Jun 1996, Harri Mdkinen wrote:

  >> I have a problem with pine (Slackware Linux) using a remote mailbox.
  >> The inbox-path in .pinerc is set to {194.157.2.114}INBOX. Pine tries
  >> to connect ok, but returns this: 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
  >> connection refused.' At no point does pine ask for my username and
  >> password on the remote system.
  >> 
  >> What could be wrong? Is there a way to tell the username an passwd
  >> to pine beforehand? What about that port 143, perhaps that's wrong?
  >> 
  >> My pine version is 3.91.
  >> 
  >> BTW: Netscape Mail uses the same mailbox ok.
  >> 
  >> --
  >> Harri Mdkinen
  >> 

I have the same problem too. But I have more info. I can use
a remote INBOX for all users, except root ! For the user root,
I get the same error message 'Can't connect to my.server;143,
connection refused.'

I don't understand, because rsh (and all other remote command)
works fine for root.

I don't remember exactly the message in '/var/adm/messages' but
it looks like imap closes the connection during authentication.

If someone knows why ...

Manuel.
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How would I go about cofiguring my IMAP server so that there is a bunch 
of mailboxes that can be accessed by multiple people?

This would be great for e.g. helpdesk people and also for keeping mailing 
list archives for later access.

Sami


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On 17 Jun 1996, Mike Brudenell wrote:

> A quick check of the man page for Pico reveals the command line option...
> 
> 	-w   Disable word wrap (thus allow editing of long lines).


That is true, and that is also the correct flag. 

However I have found that some files which have very very long lines are
still wrapped nonetheless.

TjL

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Hiya

I'm using PINE to access an NNTP server on a different machine via PPP.
It works quite well, except that I've got to manually get to the
newsgroups section (g,contol-p,name.of.newsgroup,enter).

I'd like to setup an 'initial keystrokes' list which will get me to the
first newsgroup automatically.

Anyone know how this can be done?

Please CC me on your reply, our Usenet feed sometimes cancels "old"
messages before they get out of the cradle ;-)

TjL

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Date: 24 Jun 1996 09:24:25 GMT
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manek@nntp.best.com (Sameer Manek):
> Is there a .pinerc or a similar config file for elm that encorperates pgp
> message signatures, hopefully relatively seemlessly? 

ELM does not have support for PGP yet.
However, there are several patches available.
You might want to thry the perl scripts first
as they are very simple to install as pseudo mailer and pager.

Info is on page
	http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/patches/#pgp

Sven

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 Stephen> Does pine or elm support the message/partial MIME type?  Can
 Stephen> they generate them?  Can they decode/receive them?
 Stephen> If not, any mailer that does? (except mimail) -- Sincerely,
 Stephen> srb@cuci.nl Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless).

Well, a mailer that does support quite a lot, including
message/partial with automated merging, is some recent emacs (>=19.30)
with tm.  I haven't got the URL for tm handy, but if you are
interested I can find it for you. BTW: this mess(age) has been
composed with tm.
  
Holger

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Hi
I have the following troubles when i tried to compile pine

firs this:

   gcc -g -Dunix=1 -D_BSD -DNFSKLUDGE  -DSTDPROTO=bezerkproto -DMAILSPOOL=c
os_a32.c:53: conflicting types for `crypt'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.1.2.0/2.7.2/include/unistd.h:338: previo'
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.


Stop.
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 2.


Stop.
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 2.


Stop.
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 2.


Stop.



then when compile all the .c i got this warning


       gcc   -g -DDEBUG  -Dconst= -DA32 -DSYSTYPE=\"A32\" -DMOUSE -c pine.c
In file included from ../c-client/osdep.h:40,
                 from headers.h:65,
                 from pine.c:42:
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.1.2.0/2.7.2/include/string.h:74: warning: conflicting types for built-in'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.1.2.0/2.7.2/include/string.h:106: warning: conflicting types for built-i'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.1.2.0/2.7.2/include/string.h:110: warning: conflicting types for built-i'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.1.2.0/2.7.2/include/string.h:111: warning: conflicting types for built-i'


and finally compiling pine i got this message

send.c: In function `pine_send':
send.c:2905: too many arguments to function `setpgrp'
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.


Do you know what can i do?

greetings 
LEOPOLDO


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References: <4qrdkr$lo7@rain.psg.com> <Pine.LNX.3.94.ms.960626212347.28339B-100000@hugin.oden.se>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:42:14 GMT

magnus stahre (magnus@stahre.pp.se) wrote:
> On 26 Jun 1996, Michael E. Dobe wrote:

> | "a switch that let's you see the interactions between the sending 
> | and receiving host to ensure that the message has been sent and
> | that the recipient has an id on the receiving host - a verbose send?"

> Turn on the feature `enable-verbose-smtp-posting' and press ^X (Send),
> ^W (Verbose) to send in verbose mode.

Netcom has yet to install 3.94, but another user has it and I've been
using that.  I just tried the verbose feature and find that I always get
as the first line:

  050 Warning: alias database /etc/aliases.pag out of date

What does this mean?  Can this cause a problem for me in sending mail?

--
   Dick Moores        rdm@netcom.com


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In article <31C5AAB4.6620@supaero.fr>, Marc Herbert <herbert@supaero.fr> wrote:
>Eigil Krogh Sorenen wrote:
>> 
>> We have pine set to ISO-8859-1 character set.
>> The problem is that pine3.94 forgets it's set to that characterset after a
> new
>> message has been Composed. After a message has been Composed pine begins to
>> display the HEX numbers for the non US characters instead of the characters.
>
>In fact, it seems to me  that pine 
>"forgets" to decode the QP (whatever the
>character set). I've sent a bug report.

Right - and thanks !

 Eigil


>
>
>
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Ever time I Try to COMPOSE MAIL I get the error:

"Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
Exiting pine."

If you have any answers PLEASE respond... to this or 
jvahanian@vms1.cc.uop.edu
Thank you



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OK, we've switched to Pine as our departmental mail software,
created distribution lists for staff and have been using Pine for
several weeks. Since then, I've had several staff complain that
every time a message gets sent to the entire staff, they have
to page through 40 e-mail addresses before getting to the
actual message. So, today I found that you can put the dist. list
in the Bcc: field to supress all those addresses, and you didn't 
need to put anything in the To: field. Problem solved! Or so
I thought. While staff like the idea of not having to page through
all the names, they do like to know who the message went to so
they don't forward the message to someone else in the office who
already received a copy. So is there a way to put the distribution
list name in the To: field without the program thinking it has
to send to that name. So someone could put "ALL STAFF" in
the to field and the dist. list nickname in the Bcc: field, and when
someone gets the message, they will see "ALL STAFF" instead of
<list suppressed> in the TO: field.

(Gosh, I hope all that made sense!)

TIA,
Mary

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Somewhere I read that pine would be made so it could handle e-mails collected 
into one e-mail called "digest".

Is that possible in pine3.94 ? If not is it possible to say when that will be 
made ?


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Subject: Re: character set problems in pine 3.94
Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:22:45 GMT
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The problem below seems to disappear aftre using Windows Config
and selecting a font and a font size.
So can I assume this is a bug (maybe some DOS code got triggered
as long as there in no font specified ?) ?
Which is the "official" address to send bug reports ?
Herman Van Uytven (systhvu@sp05.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) wrote:
> Hello,

> When I use Pine 3.94 (or Pico) on Windows 3.11 (with DOS code page 850)
> and in pinerc character-set=ISO-8859-1 there are problems with
> accented characters.  E.g. if I type small e acute accent on my
> keyboard (= E9 in ISO-8859-1), then I get upper case U acute accent
> which is E9 in CP850.

> Do I need to work with ISO_TO_CP and CP_TO_ISO environment variables 
> and corresponding files (does that work) ?
> If so, has someone already composed them.

> Thanks in advance,

> -Herman-



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I used PINE 3.91 and now I'm using PINE 3.94.

I've got .addressbook* and pine-address* files in my $HOME..... do  
I need them both anymore?

I like a neat $HOME....

Thanks

TjL


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From: ralf@sbk-ks.de (Ralf Gerhard)
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Hi,

a few days ago I have installed pine-3.94 on a SCO machine (3.2.4.2).

How can I turn off 'quoted printable' transfer encoding? I 've found nothing
in the FAQ or in the menu SETUP CONFIGURE.

Thanks in advance

	Ralf
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:58:07 -0400
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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote (excerpt):

> : qpdecode:
> : perl -pe 's/\=([0-9A-Fa-f]{2})/chr(hex($1))/ge; s/\=\n//;'
> 
>     Any suggestions on how actually to _use_ these utilities with Pine?
> When viewing a usenet message with quoted printable in it, just piping
> the message to 'qpdecode' above as an executable shell script simply
> locks things up tight.  I had to break the connection and dial back in. 

    Someone emailed me that "perl" above really refers to Perl 5.  On
my system, if I want Perl 5 I have to say "perl5" because Perl 4 is
still alive and well.

    However, even after making the change, Pine still locked up on me. 
The display would ripple (possibly due to a screen refresh) and "PIPED
MESSAGE" would appear in the message bar at the top of the screen. 
(BTW, I am using Pine 3.94 and dialing in with a PC emulating a
vt100.)  Things would more or less be locked up tight.  I could Ctrl-Z
back to a shell prompt and kill the Pine process, but that is about
all.  The only other command Pine would respond to is '?' to get the
prompts at the bottom of the screen (since I run with the prompts off
since version 3.93), and even then, none of the prompts would work.

    I wonder if there is some sort of problem with the latchup between
Perl and Pine in my configuration (SunOS 4.1.4).  Any suggestions
gratefully received, because it is truly annoying to try to read
messages with QP characters in them untranslated.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
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Mike Brudenell and others offered some right-on-targetr advice about
forwarding a bunch of messages to a different site for off-line reading at
a latter date/time.


My thanks to all (seven plus!) folks who wrote me with instructions.  One
or two of them were easy enough to follow and see the thing work in real
life.

Cool.


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Can someone tell me how to pipe a message to a background process?

-- kc




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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:54:05 +0200
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Sven Guckes wrote:
> 
> 
> Hint:  Do not use 8bit characters.  Then there will be no need for QP.
> 

And if I want to send 8bit characters, without QP,
and I've got no E-SMTP ? What can I do ?
Wait for 3.95  perhaps ?

-- 
Marc Herbert


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From: faido@netcom.com (Doug Fairclough)
Subject: build error : SYSTYPE in reply.c
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 05:40:41 GMT

hi all !

i am trying to build for Solaris 2.5 on an ultra.  i get the following
compile time error :

reply.c: In function `generate_message_id':
reply.c:2495: `SYSTYPE' undeclared (first use this function)
reply.c:2495: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
reply.c:2495: for each function it appears in.)

the code there is :

  sprintf(id,"<Pine.%.4s.%.20s.%02d%02d%02d%02d%02d%02d.%d%c@%.50s>",
        SYSTYPE, pine_version, now_x->tm_year, now_x->tm_mon + 1,
        now_x->tm_mday, now_x->tm_hour, now_x->tm_min, now_x->tm_sec,
         getpid(), a, ps->hostname);

i fished, but the only thing i could find was references in the imap
directory of the form  $(MAKE) build SYSTYPE=non-ANSI OS=$@.

anyone have a clue about this ?

thanks !

doug	


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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Marc Herbert wrote:

> Sven Guckes wrote:
> > Hint:  Do not use 8bit characters.  Then there will be no need for QP.
> And if I want to send 8bit characters, without QP,
> and I've got no E-SMTP ? What can I do ?
> Wait for 3.95  perhaps ?

    You can send your text as a MIME attachment (specified in the
header field -- use "Rich Headers" if necessary) _provided_ your
recipient is using a mail reader that can handle MIME attachments.

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Greetings,

Is it possible to setup PC-Pine so that it automatically enters
the username and password?  Thanks in advance.
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Hello, everybody


Somebody knows how to change messages in real time using pine ?

                                     Thanks 

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Rodrigo Cassio Sola Veneziani
University of Sao Paulo
College of Pharmaceutical Sciences of Ribeirao Preto
Via do Cafe S/N
Ribeirao Preto - SP - BRAZIL
CEP 14040-903 
E-ADRESS : rcsala@usp.br
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Hi,

I'm interested in using my 'jokes' folder from Pine 3.93 on a WWW site.
What I'd like to be able to do is:
	- create an HTML index of all the jokes in the folder listed by
	  subject (with a PERL program)
	- browse the folder by joke using pages created on the fly with
	  PERL

What I need to know is:
	- how does Pine know what the start and end of each email message
	is in a folder?
		- messages can be forwarded any number of times so just
		relying on the header doesn't seem possible.

Any help that can be given would be appreciated

Thanks,

Andrew

Andrew Van Wart
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Andrew 'AV' Van Wart wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm interested in using my 'jokes' folder from Pine 3.93 on a WWW site.
> What I'd like to be able to do is:
>         - create an HTML index of all the jokes in the folder listed by
>           subject (with a PERL program)
>         - browse the folder by joke using pages created on the fly with
>           PERL
> 
> What I need to know is:
>         - how does Pine know what the start and end of each email message
>         is in a folder?
>                 - messages can be forwarded any number of times so just
>                 relying on the header doesn't seem possible.
> 
> Any help that can be given would be appreciated
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> Andrew Van Wart
> i8e9@unb.ca
> (506) 450-7042                             Be your own role model


Hypermail will take a pine (imap) folder and turn it into a series of html'd files (one per
message) and also build a series of indexes.

Check out:

http://www.eit.com/software/hypermail/

--


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Date: 27 Jun 1996 19:58:16 GMT
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C Lassiter (seaelle@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: Well, that pretty much says it all.  When one is away, how does one set 
: up an autoresponse informing others to contact someone else in the 
: office--so they won't wonder why they're getting no response for 10 days.

If you're under UNIX, try to run 'vacation', it will do the job...

Antoine


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Subject: Re: PINE 3.93 on AIX 4.1.3
Date: 21 Jun 1996 14:02:22 GMT
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In-Reply-To: Farid Hamjavar's message of Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:33:52 -0600


   AIX-4.1.4
   PINE-3.94

   Compiling 3.94 on aix4.1 (build a41) produces
   tons of errors and finally hangs and never finishes!
   (using a32 is not any better,  it also hangs and generates a lot of 
   errors).

I have no solution as I get the same results on a41.
osf, hp, sgi, ult, sun and sol compiles just fine.
(sol demanded . in path though, no other did)

If you find a solution I'm very happy if this group gets notified!

Also there is a bug in Pine after v3.91; multilingual characters are
not sorted correctly. Or as the answer from the pine dev. group stated
"Not sorted at all". (Sort by subject).

Regards,

Kjell Andresen, systems administrator, University of Oslo, Norway
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How can I stop messages automatically being marked deleted in my inbox? 
It's slightly annoying.



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On 24 Jun 1996, Roland Lee wrote:

> 	I have just noticed that the new version (3.93 I believe)
> disables my ability to receive talk requests.  This is rather disturbing,
> so I was wondering if there was a way to prevent Pine from doing this.
> I looked in the man page for pine, and I couldn't find anything related
> to talk or mesg.

in 3.94 there is an option to 'allow talk' in the main menu --> setup -- >
config


TjL

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From: conrads@dolphin.neosoft.com (Conrad Sabatier)
Subject: Pine 3.91 inbox problems
Date: 29 Jun 1996 17:15:23 GMT
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I'm using popclient (under FreeBSD 2.1) to poll my ISP and stuff my incoming 
mail into /var/mail/conrads, which I've told Pine to use as my inbox.  
Occasionally, if I have Pine running when new mail comes in, I get any of 
several errors in Pine.  Sometimes, I'll get an "access error", and pine 
says it closed the inbox.  Other times, I'll get an inaccurate count of 
new mail in the Inbox index, and when I open an item, no text is 
displayed, then upon returning to the index, the item's subject field 
will be blank.  Exit and restart Pine, and often it will turn out that 
there were actually several other new mail items that weren't even 
listed before.  Very odd.

Has anyone ever see this before?  Any idea what's wrong?
-- 
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Subject: Re: Verbose Send Option For Pine
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:39:55 +0200
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On 26 Jun 1996, Michael E. Dobe wrote:

| "a switch that let's you see the interactions between the sending 
| and receiving host to ensure that the message has been sent and
| that the recipient has an id on the receiving host - a verbose send?"

Turn on the feature `enable-verbose-smtp-posting' and press ^X (Send),
^W (Verbose) to send in verbose mode.

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Currently I use pine to get news on my UNIX work station.  But instead of 
reading each news item one by one using pine, I like to save all items 
in a big file, quit pine, and then open the file using my favorite 
screen editor.  Then I can use keyword search and other functions of 
the editor to quickly find what I want to read and get rid of what I 
don't want to read.  That saves me a lot of time.

If I want to save all news items of comp.mail.pine into a file named 
PineNews, this is how I do it: 
1. Type 'pine' in a UNIX shell to start pine;
2. Enter the news group comp.mail.pine; 
3. Type: '; a a s PineNews y'
4. Quit pine

After that, I can find the file named PineNews which includes all news items.

Now, this is my question:  I want to write a UNIX shell script (or in any 
other programming language) to automatically save all news items into a 
file (instead of doing it manually according to the above 4 steps).  Is that 
possible? If yes, how do I do it?

Your help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Qingchun Guo
guo@tvdcomm.gsfc.nasa.gov



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Qingchun Guo on Thu, 27 Jun 1996 wrote:
> Currently I use pine to get news on my UNIX work station. But
> instead of reading each news item one by one using pine, I like to
> save all items in a big file, quit pine, and then open the file
> using my favorite screen editor. Then I can use keyword search and
> other functions of the editor to quickly find what I want to read
> and get rid of what I don't want to read. That saves me a lot of
> time.
>
> If I want to save all news items of comp.mail.pine into a file
> named PineNews, this is how I do it:
> 1. Type 'pine' in a UNIX shell to start pine;
> 2. Enter the news group comp.mail.pine;
> 3. Type: '; a a s PineNews y'
> 4. Quit pine
>
> After that, I can find the file named PineNews which includes all
> news items.
>
> Now, this is my question: I want to write a UNIX shell script (or
> in any other programming language) to automatically save all news
> items into a file (instead of doing it manually according to the
> above 4 steps). Is that possible? If yes, how do I do it?
>
> Your help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Qingchun Guo
> guo@tvdcomm.gsfc.nasa.gov
>
>


This sounds like a job for expect written by  Don Libes  
<libes@cme.nist.gov>

ftp://tribble.cme.nist.gov:/pub/expect/expect.tar.gz (or .tar.Z)

you'll also need:

ftp://tribble.cme.nist.gov:/pub/expect/tcl.tar.Z (no .gz available)

I'm not sure exactly how it would work (I'm just learning expect)  
but Don's written a great book called "Exploring Expect" available  
at better libraries and book stores everywhere.

I love expect, and think that the book is well worth the $.

TjL


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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Dick Moores wrote:

| Netcom has yet to install 3.94, but another user has it and I've been
| using that.  I just tried the verbose feature and find that I always get
| as the first line:
|   050 Warning: alias database /etc/aliases.pag out of date

Run `newaliases' or `sendmail -bi'.

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Pine 3.94.

Hit ; when in a folder index.

Command ; not defined for this screen is what Pine replies.

What gives?  I'm a Pine newbie, so maybe I don't understand in what contexts
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mikebat@Capitol.Net (Mike Batchelor) on 29 Jun 1996 wrote:
> Pine 3.94.
>
> Hit ; when in a folder index.
>
> Command ; not defined for this screen is what Pine replies.
>
> What gives? I'm a Pine newbie, so maybe I don't understand in what
> contexts ; is supposed to work.

Main Menu-->Setup-->Config

Turn this on:

            [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set


TjL


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How can I unsubscribe from this list? I would appreciate any help to find
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Sam Hindawi on Sat, 29 Jun 1996 wrote:
> How can I unsubscribe from this list? I would appreciate any =
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> to find out how.

Well, you should have been sent a message when you signed up.... =
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When i'm using pine to read mail on my POP3 server I keep getting
Bug in Pine detected: "Received abort signal".
Exiting pine.
And I didnt press control-C.
Whats wrong with pine?
Chad Simmons
P.s. Please send me any replys as well as post them.




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Does anyone know how to add headers to pine. I want to add X-Anon-To: and 
others I also want to add X-Anon-Password:.
Thanks,
Chad Simmons
P.s. Please send me any replies and post them to the news groups.



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Hi folks,

i have problems to use the feature auto-move-read-msgs.
I am using pine 3.91 on Linux and pine 3.94 on HP-UX. On both
systems i activated auto-move-read-msgs, but my mail file in
/var/spool/mail will not be emptied. What am i doing wrong ?

Sven
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On 29 Jun 1996, Mike Batchelor wrote:

> Pine 3.94.
> 
> Hit ; when in a folder index.
> 
> Command ; not defined for this screen is what Pine replies.
> 
> What gives?  I'm a Pine newbie, so maybe I don't understand in what contexts
> ; is supposed to work.

    Make sure you have enable-aggregate-command-set in your
configuration.  ; won't work unless that is set.  If it is set, 
then you obviously have some other problem.

Paul                             <pobart@access.digex.net>
----------------------------------------------------------
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I just started to use Pine after using Elm for a long time.  One thing that
puzzles me is that I don't seem to see my username I specified in the .pinerc 
when I open Pine folder index.  Pine either pickup my name from password file,
put TO: in front of my address, or simply can not dispaly my name (blank). 
If I use Elm to see the same mail folder,  I can see my username appear
correctly.  I don't understand what is going on.  Could someone
tell me how to fix this problem?  Pine3.89 in Sun workstation and Pine9.1 
n HP workstation have this identical problem.

Kaz
kueno@rbieng6.gmr.com



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Is there a list of valid headlines?  thanx.

--
Ray Zhang ~{UESjLo~} ray@eris.umb.edu   http://cnd.org/HYPLAN/ray/

On 25 Jun 1996, Jie Yuan wrote:

> In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960620222114.9699C-100000@unix.collider.com>,
> 	chad simmons <chads@unix.collider.com> writes:
> >Does anyone know how to add headers to pine. I want to add X-Anon-To: and 
> >others I also want to add X-Anon-Password:.
> >Thanks,
> >Chad Simmons
> >P.s. Please send me any replies and post them to the news groups.
> 
> You could add these items to the "customized hdrs" in the setup_config
> menu.  In addition, you need to do a "^R" when you start composing the
> message to display all the header lines since you may need to add info
> such as recipient addresses.
> 
> Try a few times and you can master it very soon.   
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Jie
> -- Jie Yuan, PhD - U. Cincinnati - Pharmacology & C.B. --
> == POBox 670575, Cin., OH 45267-0575  =  513-558-2352  ==
> == Jie.Yuan@UC.edu = www.uc.edu/~yuanj =  using Knews  ==
> == finger -l yuanj@ucunix.san.uc.edu for my PGP pub. key=
> 
> 
> 


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[Ole Moller Nielsen]

>   Date: 6  Jun 96 13:50 GMT
>   From: Inge-M.Nielsen@53677251.da.diatel.dk
>   To: onielsen@QUACK.CIMS.NYU.EDU
>   Subject: Vedr.: 'Hilsen fra Connecticut' 3

You should report to Inge M Nielsen and/or his system operators that
the software he's using to send mail generates bogus Date: headers.

-tih
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Can someone tell me where I can get the souce code for compiling Pico and
the latest version of Pine.  thanx in advance.

--
Ray Zhang ~{UESjLo~} ray@eris.umb.edu   http://cnd.org/HYPLAN/ray/



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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, R wrote:

> Can someone tell me where I can get the souce code for compiling Pico and
> the latest version of Pine.  thanx in advance.

	ftp ftp.cac.washinton.edu


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On 29 Jun 1996, Mike Batchelor wrote:

-> Pine 3.94.
->
-> Hit ; when in a folder index.
->
-> Command ; not defined for this screen is what Pine replies.

Go to main screen; use Setup and Config. Find the feature called
"enable-aggregate-command-set" and make sure it's checked.

-----------------------------
Bill Stewart
wstewart@unm.edu
http://www.unm.edu/~wstewart/
-----------------------------



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Not sure if this is pine specific or a mime/mailcap problem, but if
someone can help me I sure would appreciate it.

I have a message with a uuencoded text file as an attachment.
How can I read it?  I'm using pine 3.94.

I've tried setting display-filters to run uudecode, but that didn't help.
(maybe I have the trigger wrong?).

I've tried creating a mailcap entry (I've just started learning, so I
may not have gotten it correct).

Pine complains:

    Don't know how to unpack "X-UUENCODE" encoding


Pine gives the following details about the attachment:

                Type            : Text
                Subtype         : PLAIN
                Encoding        : X-UUENCODE
                Parameters      : NAME = SWHWOU~2.TXT
                                  X-MAC-TYPE = 54455854
                                  X-MAC-CREATOR = 74747874
                Approx. Size    : 1,975 bytes
                Display Method  : Can't, Unknown Encoding

Yes, I can save it to a file and run uudecode, but I'm hoping for a 
better solution.

-- 
Brad Garcia


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R (ray@eris.umb.edu) wrote:
: Can someone tell me where I can get the souce code for compiling Pico and
: the latest version of Pine.  thanx in advance.

ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/pine.tar.gz

The latest rev is 3.94.  FWIW,

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Just moved to 3.94 (from 3.91) and my Thanks to the Pine Team, because
the new version feels very good, and seems to have many improved
facilities. 

One query:

The config settings enable-tab-completion and compose-cut-from-cursor
allow one to modify behaviour in the Composer, but don't seem to have
affect on the same functions when creating the message header: eg, ^K
still cuts the whole of a To: line, and TAB does not allow completion of
a filename being attached.  Is there any way to configure the behaviour
here consistent with these settings? 

    Thanks,
        
        I.

-- 
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I've heard that it is possible for me to retrieve my POP3 email using Pine.
Currently, I'm using Pine 3.91 but plan on upgrading to a newer version
here when I install my new harddrive.  How do I go about setting 3.91 up to
retrieve mail via POP3, and can I set it up to remove mail from server, etc?
I've looked through all the setup I can see, and nothing looks very 
familiar to me.  Thanks, any comments sent via email appreciated too.  

--
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Has anyone successfully used PINE with a WYSE50 terminal?
I have many plain WYSE50 terminals that I would like to
use PINE on.

Thanks,
Chris Womack


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Hello,

A friend of mine presently visiting me in Canada would like
to check his mail on his account in France, through my own
account to save a long distance call. Is it possible? If so
how to establish the connection?
Thanks
Pierre G


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Subject: Re: Feature Requested: "List reply"
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:31:54 +0100
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On 24 Jun 1996, Andrej Borsenkow wrote:

> Hi, Pine developers/users!
> 
> I have mostly to deal with mailing lists; 90% of all replies in lists are
> directed to list (with possible copies to author).
> 
> Here the problem: in case of reply I have to select between simple reply
> (to the author i.e. From/Reply-To) or to the author and all recipients
> (i.e. mailing list in this case). Thus if I want to reply to list (as
> mentioned, 90% of all replies), I have to make "Reply to all recps". Here
> the problem lies:

This sounds to me like a misconfiguration of the listserver
header rewriting strategy.

Normally the address of the originator of the message should
be found in the From: header line and the address of the list
in the Replay-to: line.

This way, the selection of a private response versus a list
response is made at the From/Reply-To question asked by pine
when you reply a message with different From: and Replay-to:
fields (if you enable it from config).

Just an opinion.

Mihai L.

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	Does anyone know how I can untar the source code for pine? I 
can't understand the manual pages they have. (Someone already told me how 
to build it. Now I need to know how to untar it.)
Thank you.

Li Tao
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Li Tao on Sun, 30 Jun 1996 wrote:
> Does anyone know how I can untar the source code for pine? I 
> can't understand the manual pages they have. (Someone already told
> me how to build it. Now I need to know how to untar it.)
> Thank you.
> 
> Li Tao
> ltao@jell.fullerton.edu


Try this:
	gnutar xvf <<name of tar file>>

TjL


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From: Terry Gray <gray@cac.washington.edu>
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Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Compatibility with Composer in Pine 3.94
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Ian,
These are known.... err... "deficiencies".

-teg

On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Ian Dunkin wrote:

> 
> Just moved to 3.94 (from 3.91) and my Thanks to the Pine Team, because
> the new version feels very good, and seems to have many improved
> facilities. 
> 
> One query:
> 
> The config settings enable-tab-completion and compose-cut-from-cursor
> allow one to modify behaviour in the Composer, but don't seem to have
> affect on the same functions when creating the message header: eg, ^K
> still cuts the whole of a To: line, and TAB does not allow completion of
> a filename being attached.  Is there any way to configure the behaviour
> here consistent with these settings? 
> 
>     Thanks,
>         
>         I.
> 
> -- 
> Ian Dunkin <imd1707@ggr.co.uk>
> --
> 
> 



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On 29 Jun 1996, Sven Goldt wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> i have problems to use the feature auto-move-read-msgs.
> I am using pine 3.91 on Linux and pine 3.94 on HP-UX. On both
> systems i activated auto-move-read-msgs, but my mail file in
> /var/spool/mail will not be emptied. What am i doing wrong ?
> 
> Sven

	In addition to setting the auto-move-read-msgs option to "on", 
you must have specified a place for "read-messages" to go.  For example, 
I created a folder called 'Dead-file', and set the read-message-folder 
option to 'Dead-file' as well.  Now when you set the auto-move-read-msgs 
option, pine knows where those messages you want moved are to go.  Every 
time I log off, anything still in Inbox gets automatically moved over to 
Dead-file, clearing the Inbox every time.

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From: jhd@Radix.Net (Joseph Davidson)
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I have scripts to convert the mailing lists between mailers.

Pine to Eudora
Eudora to Pine
Pine to Netscape

You can find links to these scripts at the bottom of my Web page at
www.interguru.com



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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Kenneth A. Johnson wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Paul O Bartlett wrote:
> 
> > On 22 Jun 1996, Dr. Jerry R. Aschermann wrote:
> > 
> > > [...]
> > 
> You still need to configure Pine to include the file.  At the main 
> screen, select "Configure or update Pine."  Scroll down to "attach 
> signature at bottom," and toggle.

    This is not necessary at first.  If you do nothing to your Pine
configuration, then by default it will pick up ~/.signature and insert
it.  You only have to make a change here if you want to use a file
named other than ~/.signature (or if, possibly, you have a .signature
file and do not want Pine to use it automatically).  Using the 
signature-at-bottom option is personal taste, although it was good to
mention it.  (Personally, I wonder why the Pine folks didn't make
_that_ the default.)

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