From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 1 04:32:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22043; Tue, 1 Mar 94 04:32:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20195; Tue, 1 Mar 94 04:03:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20185; Tue, 1 Mar 94 04:03:20 -0800 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29114; Tue, 1 Mar 94 14:03:17 +0200 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11453; Tue, 1 Mar 94 14:03:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 14:03:14 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: Re: Pine Motif To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Feb 1994, Paul E. Bloch wrote: > I got your name from the imap.software file from ftp.cac.washington.edu. > It states that a Pine Motif version is in development. When and under > what licensing may this be made available? I have done a lot of work lately on the "Pine Motif version" and it is something like 95% ready. It will have about the same functionality as pine 3.89, with minor exceptions. I am implementing some of the currently missing features, such as 'pipe' and 'zoom' commands, but then I probably will leave the compose editor (pico will not be used) at a very rudimentary stage, as everyone probably has their own favorite Motif editor anyway (which can be invoked conveniently, of course). I hope I can get my current work into a polished enough stage to do an initial 'beta-release' within March -94. I will continue work with this project though, as it has proven very interesting and I have many ideas I want to implement. I will ftp a file called 'NokiaPine.beta.tar.Z' into incoming directory of some strategic ftp archives throughout the net (such as ftp.cac.washington.edu) and mail a release notice into 'pine-info' list, when it's ready. The tar will contain K&R C-sources, a makefile and documents. The makefile will work on HP9000/730, HP/UX 9.01 with its standard configuration (cc, libXm, libX11, libXt installed). Same unix platforms can be supported as pine 3.89 does (with os-??? files in pine/osdep directory). You must have Motif 1.2 and X11R5. I will keep makefile simple enough to make 'porting' to other platforms than HP730 a piece of cake. There will not be an imakefile. I will assume that 'pine3.89.tar.Z' is already installed too, at least the c-client library will be needed from there. The program will be called initially 'NokiaPine' and it will be distributed under the same terms as pine itself. I will have the copyright on my part of the work, UW on their part, Dave Taylor on his, etc. What you can compile, you can use, and it's free... NokiaPine will be targeted primarily for 'power-user' audience, although even novices should find the GUI rather friendly to use too (if not a bit confusing though). NokiaPine will be 100% compatible with pine 3.89, you can use both side by side. NokiaPine will require a very powerful machine with plenty of RAM to run (NokiaPine uses 6-10 Mbytes when you fire up all the windows there are, pine 3.89 uses 3-4 Mbytes). There will probably be some controversy over the way I have implemented certain user-interface related features. We'll see what kind of debate evolves out of that ;-) With some additional restructuring of the code, the Tcl/Tk package could be integrated into NokiaPine, thus providing an easy 'programmer's interface' to allow extensive customizing. I will explore this possibility more, later this spring and summer. -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 Development Engineer mail: TL2E, P.O. BOX 12, FIN-02611 Espoo, Finland Data Communications internet: IAN.LEIMAN@ntc.nokia.com Transmission Systems x400: C=FI,A=Elisa,or A=Mailnet,P=Nokia Telecom, NOKIA Telecommunications SUR=LEIMAN,GIV=IAN,(UNIT=DCO) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 1 06:44:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23557; Tue, 1 Mar 94 06:44:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09005; Tue, 1 Mar 94 06:28:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08999; Tue, 1 Mar 94 06:28:47 -0800 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:28:05 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA06112; Tue, 1 Mar 94 15:27:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:27:53 +0100 (MET) From: "M. Spohn" Subject: some questions about PC-PINE To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Pine-Team After using unix-pine for a while I'm now trying to establish PC-PINE. Some users will connect to the Server via telephone modem, using SLIP and PC/TCP. 1. Is it possible for them to extract their INBOX with one (or two) keystrokes into a local folder and then quit the SLIP session? When I tried to invoke PC-PINE without PC/TCP up and running I got an error message and PC-PINE aborted. I would like to invoke PC-PINE for reading purposes without the need of having a connection to the smtp-server. If I could even compose messages in this mode, which would be sent at the next invocation of PC-PINE and PC/TCP running, this would be great! Martin Spohn Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Abteilung Netze Universitaet Tuebingen Telefon: +49 7071 296970 Brunnenstrasse 27 SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de D-72074 Tuebingen X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 1 09:41:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27289; Tue, 1 Mar 94 09:41:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22830; Tue, 1 Mar 94 09:13:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22824; Tue, 1 Mar 94 09:13:17 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15169; Tue, 1 Mar 94 09:13:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 09:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: some questions about PC-PINE To: "M. Spohn" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Martin, These features are all planned. Unfortunately they are not available yet. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 1 Mar 1994, M. Spohn wrote: > > Dear Pine-Team > > After using unix-pine for a while I'm now trying to establish PC-PINE. > Some users will connect to the Server via telephone modem, using SLIP > and PC/TCP. > > 1. Is it possible for them to extract their INBOX with one (or two) > keystrokes into a local folder and then quit the SLIP session? > > When I tried to invoke PC-PINE without PC/TCP up and running > I got an error message and PC-PINE aborted. > > I would like to invoke PC-PINE for reading purposes without the need > of having a connection to the smtp-server. > If I could even compose messages in this mode, which would be sent > at the next invocation of PC-PINE and PC/TCP running, this would be > great! > > Martin Spohn > > Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung > Abteilung Netze > Universitaet Tuebingen Telefon: +49 7071 296970 > Brunnenstrasse 27 SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de > D-72074 Tuebingen X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 1 17:07:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10360; Tue, 1 Mar 94 17:07:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15904; Tue, 1 Mar 94 16:40:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15898; Tue, 1 Mar 94 16:40:39 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24632; Tue, 1 Mar 94 16:40:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Local sending mails To: Wojtek Bogusz Cc: Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wojtek, Sorry about the delayed reply. Pine does use the information from the passwd file if it thinks it is safe to do so. If you have the user-domain variable set in either your system pine.conf file or your .pinerc file, that value must match either the full value or the domain that it would use without the variable set. Typically, placing the fully qualified host name first in the /etc/passwd file will make the system return the expected value. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Wojtek Bogusz wrote: > > Hello ! > > I thought it would be nice if pine would add information read from > passwd when you mail to local user (with out domain name). You could have > a switch in pinerc telling if you would like pine to behave in that way > or not. It would be nice too having a switch for adding a domain name to > the addresses. > > Best regards ! > > Wojtek > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 01:49:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17350; Wed, 2 Mar 94 01:49:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20575; Wed, 2 Mar 94 01:29:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20569; Wed, 2 Mar 94 01:29:32 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <00856-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:29:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:28:59 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: compuserve addresses To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I send a message to someone at Compuserve? Typing their user id - of the form 1stnumber,2ndnumber@compuserve.com - pine thinks it is two addresses - 1stnumber@local domain and 2ndnumber@compuserve.com Quoting the string doesn't seem to help. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 02:46:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18265; Wed, 2 Mar 94 02:46:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20914; Wed, 2 Mar 94 02:20:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20908; Wed, 2 Mar 94 02:20:32 -0800 Received: from bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by comserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:19:45 +0100 Received: by bamm.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (4.1/ZDV-Uni-Tuebingen-1.0) id AA06559; Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:19:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:19:30 +0100 (MET) From: "M. Spohn" Subject: Re: compuserve addresses To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, I think that you have to use a dot instead of a comma: 1stnumber.2ndnumber@compuserve.com Martin Spohn Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Abteilung Netze Universitaet Tuebingen Telefon: +49 7071 296970 Brunnenstrasse 27 SMTP: spohn@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de D-72074 Tuebingen X.400: C=de;A=d400;P=uni-tuebingen;O=zdv;S=spohn On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > How can I send a message to someone at Compuserve? > > Typing their user id - of the form 1stnumber,2ndnumber@compuserve.com - > pine thinks it is two addresses - 1stnumber@local domain and > 2ndnumber@compuserve.com > > Quoting the string doesn't seem to help. > > John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk > University of Reading 0734 318435 > Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 03:31:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19332; Wed, 2 Mar 94 03:31:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21376; Wed, 2 Mar 94 03:11:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mercury.bih.harvard.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21370; Wed, 2 Mar 94 03:11:13 -0800 Received: by BIH mail router (4.1/SMI-4.1916) id AA09636; Wed, 2 Mar 94 06:08:27 EST Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 06:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McWilliams Subject: Re: compuserve addresses To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mail to Compuserve by changing the comma between the two parts of the compuserve address to a period. That way mailers see it as one address. When CS gets it, it maps the period over to the comma and delivers the mail. So, 12345,4545 becomes 12345.4545@compuserve.com ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: scott@bih.harvard.edu | | Sysadmin, Postmaster | | | | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | | Network Services | | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | | Boston, Mass. 02215 | -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 07:12:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23541; Wed, 2 Mar 94 07:12:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23169; Wed, 2 Mar 94 06:45:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23159; Wed, 2 Mar 94 06:44:59 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA23229; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:40:15 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:40:14 -0500 From: James Dryfoos Subject: Re: Local sending mails To: David L Miller Cc: Wojtek Bogusz , Pine Information In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9403020940.AA25753@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 1 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) > From: David L Miller > To: Wojtek Bogusz > Cc: Pine Information > Subject: Re: Local sending mails > > > Wojtek, > > Sorry about the delayed reply. Pine does use the information from the > passwd file if it thinks it is safe to do so. If you have the > user-domain variable set in either your system pine.conf file or your > .pinerc file, that value must match either the full value or the domain > that it would use without the variable set. Typically, placing the fully > qualified host name first in the /etc/passwd file will make the system > return the expected value. > > Thanks for the request! > > --DLM Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of what happens is the following. When I enter an address that is local (i.e. dryfoos) Pine goes to the passwd file and grabs the full name -- James Dryfoos What I want, is to be able to do a control-t and scan through all the names on the local system (passwd or equivalent) and be able to select one. Currently, I have to know what the local address is -- at least, when I get it right, I get the full name added (confirmation). This has come up because I just started working in a new place and do not know everyone's address yet (cannot even add them to my own directory without first knowing them). -- Jim > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Wojtek Bogusz wrote: > > > > > Hello ! > > > > I thought it would be nice if pine would add information read from > > passwd when you mail to local user (with out domain name). You could have > > a switch in pinerc telling if you would like pine to behave in that way > > or not. It would be nice too having a switch for adding a domain name to > > the addresses. > > > > Best regards ! > > > > Wojtek > > > ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 08:43:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26010; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:43:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24475; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:24:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24469; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:24:33 -0800 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14154 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for Pine User Group ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 10:23:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 10:21:59 -0600 (CST) From: Leah Subject: Re: compuserve addresses To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I'm new...I'm put in charge of writing the documentation for pine at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign... Anyway.... When writing a compuserve address, just change the commas to periods and you'll be fine.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Leah J. Dicker | Yes...I finally | "In deepest darkness dicker@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu | made a signature | The faintest light looks University of Illinois | file for myself!!! | bright" at Urbana-Champaign | I know...it's | College of Education | about time... | --Steve Hogarth, Marillion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > How can I send a message to someone at Compuserve? > > Typing their user id - of the form 1stnumber,2ndnumber@compuserve.com - > pine thinks it is two addresses - 1stnumber@local domain and > 2ndnumber@compuserve.com > > Quoting the string doesn't seem to help. > > John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk > University of Reading 0734 318435 > Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 09:18:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27483; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:18:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07413; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:52:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07407; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:52:19 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02018; Wed, 2 Mar 94 08:52:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Local sending mails To: James Dryfoos Cc: Wojtek Bogusz , Pine Information In-Reply-To: <9403020940.AA25753@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahhh, OK. A future version of Pine will have an extended driver-based mechanism for handling addressbooks. Once this is in place it would presumably be possible to write a driver to use the passwd file like a read-only addressbook. Thanks for the clarification! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) > > From: David L Miller > > To: Wojtek Bogusz > > Cc: Pine Information > > Subject: Re: Local sending mails > > > > > > Wojtek, > > > > Sorry about the delayed reply. Pine does use the information from the > > passwd file if it thinks it is safe to do so. If you have the > > user-domain variable set in either your system pine.conf file or your > > .pinerc file, that value must match either the full value or the domain > > that it would use without the variable set. Typically, placing the fully > > qualified host name first in the /etc/passwd file will make the system > > return the expected value. > > > > Thanks for the request! > > > > --DLM > > Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of what happens is the > following. When I enter an address that is local (i.e. dryfoos) Pine > goes to the passwd file and grabs the full name -- > James Dryfoos > > What I want, is to be able to do a control-t and scan through all the > names on the local system (passwd or equivalent) and be able to select > one. Currently, I have to know what the local address is -- at least, > when I get it right, I get the full name added (confirmation). This has > come up because I just started working in a new place and do not know > everyone's address yet (cannot even add them to my own directory without > first knowing them). > > -- Jim > > > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Wojtek Bogusz wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello ! > > > > > > I thought it would be nice if pine would add information read from > > > passwd when you mail to local user (with out domain name). You could have > > > a switch in pinerc telling if you would like pine to behave in that way > > > or not. It would be nice too having a switch for adding a domain name to > > > the addresses. > > > > > > Best regards ! > > > > > > Wojtek > > > > > > > ========================================================================== > James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | > 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office > Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax > ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 10:05:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29196; Wed, 2 Mar 94 10:05:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08396; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:41:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wolfe.wimsey.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08390; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:41:31 -0800 Received: by wolfe.wimsey.com (Smail3.1.28.1) id m0pbutL-00035WC; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:39 PST Received: from valiant.te.CdnAir.CA by jumbo1.CdnAir.CA with SMTP id AA04880 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:07:44 -0800 Received: by valiant.te.CdnAir.CA (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30630; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:14:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Grant Fengstad Subject: Re: compuserve addresses To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > How can I send a message to someone at Compuserve? > > Typing their user id - of the form 1stnumber,2ndnumber@compuserve.com - > pine thinks it is two addresses - 1stnumber@local domain and > 2ndnumber@compuserve.com > Send mail to a compuserve addressee as: 1stnumber.2ndnumber@compuserve.com (note: period, not comma) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 13:31:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05919; Wed, 2 Mar 94 13:31:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28989; Wed, 2 Mar 94 12:59:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28983; Wed, 2 Mar 94 12:59:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07167; Wed, 2 Mar 94 12:59:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Expunge folder while reading mail To: Steven Sietz Cc: Pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steven, Thanks for the suggestion. We will add it to our list of Requested Enhancements. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Steven Sietz wrote: > > I am attempting to convert over from emacs RMAIL to pine since it has > better support for folders, addressing, and other goodies. However, I > can't get over the urge to be able to expunge mail while reading > messages (not from the index). RMAIL's behavior was that while viewing a > message, the expunge command would expunge all mail in the folder and > display the first message not expunged. In pine, I must go back to the > mail index and then do the expunge. > > I rely on expunge because I generally don't like to keep any mail in my > INBOX so that xbiff reflects no new mail. > > > -Steven Sietz- > > ssietz@motown.ge.com > Martin Marietta Corporation (formerly GE Aerospace - GESD) > Government Electronic Systems > Moorestown, NJ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 15:56:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10917; Wed, 2 Mar 94 15:56:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01810; Wed, 2 Mar 94 15:36:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eis.CalState.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01800; Wed, 2 Mar 94 15:35:05 -0800 Received: by eis.calstate.edu (4.1/KNMods2.1) id AA22733; Wed, 2 Mar 94 15:35:18 PST From: mark@eis.calstate.edu (Mark Crother) Message-Id: <9403022335.AA22733@eis.calstate.edu> Subject: sendmail options To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 938 I have a question concerning the choice of sendmail arguments that PINE uses. For incoming mail, I added -ox4X8 to the normal args which makes my sendmail daemon slows down after the load goes to 4 and stops taking connections when the load goes to 8. But this does not effect local mail. Is there anything I can change to PINE's sendmail args so it will act differently under heavy load? What causes my problem is that I have a lot of large email lists and when mail is sent out via PINE to one of those lists, my load goes up. When 3 or 4 people do this at the same time, my load gets ridiculous. If I can do nothing with PINE would listserv software handle the load better? Thanks for your help. -- Mark Crother mark@ctp.org California Technology Project(CTP) Sysadm (310)985-9631 California Online Resources for Education(CORE) (800)272-8743(Calif only) Cal State Univ. --"I'm a hard CORE user!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 16:39:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12431; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:39:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02439; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:17:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02433; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:17:40 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12015; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:17:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 16:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: sendmail options To: Mark Crother Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403022335.AA22733@eis.calstate.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The sendmail flags that Pine uses are set in pine/osdep/os-???.h. The default entry is: #define SENDMAILFLAGS "-oi -oem -t" On one of our big systems that sometimes has over 1000 Pine sessions open we finally had to configure a second machine as an SMTP server and set the smtp-server variable in /usr/local/lib/pine.conf to point to it. This eliminates all of the sendmail calls for messages on other machines and about half the calls for local mail. Let us know if you find any exceptional solutions! Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, Mark Crother wrote: > > I have a question concerning the choice of sendmail arguments that PINE > uses. > > For incoming mail, I added -ox4X8 to the normal args which makes > my sendmail daemon slows down after the load goes to 4 and stops > taking connections when the load goes to 8. But this does not effect > local mail. > > Is there anything I can change to PINE's sendmail args so it will > act differently under heavy load? > > What causes my problem is that I have a lot of large email > lists and when mail is sent out via PINE to one of those lists, my load > goes up. When 3 or 4 people do this at the same time, my load gets > ridiculous. > > If I can do nothing with PINE would listserv software handle the load better? > > Thanks for your help. > -- > Mark Crother mark@ctp.org California Technology Project(CTP) > Sysadm (310)985-9631 California Online Resources for Education(CORE) > (800)272-8743(Calif only) Cal State Univ. --"I'm a hard CORE user!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 17:18:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14233; Wed, 2 Mar 94 17:18:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02972; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:54:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02966; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:53:57 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12618; Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:53:42 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 16:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: mail thinks user is someone else To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elmar, We have just found the bug that was causing this. The problem was that we were failing to copy the information out of a library static buffer before another call to the routine. This bug will be fixed in the next release of Pine. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > I am not positive this is a Pine problem, and now I can't even duplicate > it. Just created a new user "mtom", and I've triple-checked it by now. > We have another user "stom" on a different system (but same NIS domain). > For a while, mtom was sending out messages that had two From headers, > which by itself doesn't seem out of the ordinary, but maybe someone who's > more up on the RFC than I can correct me. The problem is the headers were > different-- the first said "mtom" and the second said "stom". The comment > (GCOS) field was even filled in accordingly on the second "From" (which > was actually "From:" with the colon). > > Both users said they could not find the message in the sent-mail folder, > although here I am telling you what I found in this folder. > > If you have an idea what might be causing this, I'd like to hear it. If > someone can definitely rule out that this might be a Pine problem, I'll be > glad to hear that too. :-) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Elmar Kurgpold | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | > | Network Administrator | VOICE: (213)740-2571 | > | University of Southern California | FAX: (213)740-5502 | > | The Law Center | | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 18:50:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15599; Wed, 2 Mar 94 18:50:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04016; Wed, 2 Mar 94 18:20:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04010; Wed, 2 Mar 94 18:20:27 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01242; Wed, 2 Mar 94 18:20:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: mail thinks user is someone else To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: David L Miller , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elmar, Just to clarify further: this bug was related to changing passwords during a Pine session. -teg On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > We have just found the bug that was causing this. The problem was that > we were failing to copy the information out of a library static buffer > before another call to the routine. This bug will be fixed in the next > release of Pine. > > Thanks for the report! > > --DLM > > On Thu, 17 Feb 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > I am not positive this is a Pine problem, and now I can't even duplicate > > it. Just created a new user "mtom", and I've triple-checked it by now. > > We have another user "stom" on a different system (but same NIS domain). > > For a while, mtom was sending out messages that had two From headers, > > which by itself doesn't seem out of the ordinary, but maybe someone who's > > more up on the RFC than I can correct me. The problem is the headers were > > different-- the first said "mtom" and the second said "stom". The comment > > (GCOS) field was even filled in accordingly on the second "From" (which > > was actually "From:" with the colon). > > > > Both users said they could not find the message in the sent-mail folder, > > although here I am telling you what I found in this folder. > > > > If you have an idea what might be causing this, I'd like to hear it. If > > someone can definitely rule out that this might be a Pine problem, I'll be > > glad to hear that too. :-) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > | Elmar Kurgpold | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | > > | Network Administrator | VOICE: (213)740-2571 | > > | University of Southern California | FAX: (213)740-5502 | > > | The Law Center | | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 2 22:32:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18247; Wed, 2 Mar 94 22:32:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05582; Wed, 2 Mar 94 22:21:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05576; Wed, 2 Mar 94 22:21:09 -0800 Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu, 3 Mar 94 00:21:07 CST Received: by kimbark.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA15697; Thu, 3 Mar 94 00:20:45 CST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 00:20:44 -0600 (CST) From: ippokratis karakasoglou Subject: pine q's To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i am a new user of pine and my first problems are.. i cant use h ( full header mode ) i want to name and nickname the addresses i ve listed under the name of a group, so i can mail them individually withouth having to store the same address twice. I d also like if i had multiple addressbooks... i also want to read and post my newsgroups through pine... if i could the same with gopher, it would be great... Thanx in advance. Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 02:27:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21825; Thu, 3 Mar 94 02:27:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18993; Thu, 3 Mar 94 02:09:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18987; Thu, 3 Mar 94 02:08:55 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <22549-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:08:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:07:58 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: compuserve addresses To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, I (John Stumbles) wrote: > How can I send a message to someone at Compuserve? > > Typing their user id - of the form 1stnumber,2ndnumber@compuserve.com - > pine thinks it is two addresses - 1stnumber@local domain and > 2ndnumber@compuserve.com And zillions of you folks out there wrote to tell me you change the , to a . i.e. 12345,678@compuserve.com becomes 12345.678@compuserve.com thanks (you know who you are) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 09:02:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28556; Thu, 3 Mar 94 09:02:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10165; Thu, 3 Mar 94 08:39:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10159; Thu, 3 Mar 94 08:39:14 -0800 Received: from weber.ucsd.edu (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with ESMTP id IAA09166; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 08:39:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199403031639.IAA09166@weber.ucsd.edu> To: mark@eis.calstate.edu (Mark Crother) Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: sendmail options In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Mar 1994 15:35:16 -0800." <9403022335.AA22733@eis.calstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <9161.762712750.1@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 1994 08:39:10 -0800 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" -odq which should cause mail sent with this flag to be queued instead of being immediately delivered. The mail is then delivered on the next queue run (-q30m, e.g.). During a queue run queued mail is processed serially. Serializing delivery smooths out the load. -mike > > I have a question concerning the choice of sendmail arguments that PINE > uses. > > For incoming mail, I added -ox4X8 to the normal args which makes > my sendmail daemon slows down after the load goes to 4 and stops > taking connections when the load goes to 8. But this does not effect > local mail. > > Is there anything I can change to PINE's sendmail args so it will > act differently under heavy load? > > What causes my problem is that I have a lot of large email > lists and when mail is sent out via PINE to one of those lists, my load > goes up. When 3 or 4 people do this at the same time, my load gets > ridiculous. > > If I can do nothing with PINE would listserv software handle the load better? > > Thanks for your help. > -- > Mark Crother mark@ctp.org California Technology Project(CTP) > Sysadm (310)985-9631 California Online Resources for Education(C ORE) > (800)272-8743(Calif only) Cal State Univ. --"I'm a hard CORE user!" > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 09:32:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29944; Thu, 3 Mar 94 09:32:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10747; Thu, 3 Mar 94 09:08:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10741; Thu, 3 Mar 94 09:08:30 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20252; Thu, 3 Mar 94 09:08:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 09:08:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine q's To: ippokratis karakasoglou Cc: Pine Lista In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ippokratis, You need to add "enable-full-header-cmd" to the "feature-list=" line in your .pinerc file to enable the 'H' command. When you make a distribution list in the addressbook, you can list the nicknames you used for individual entries. Then you do not have to worry about typing the full address twice. Is that what you are asking for? Support for multiple addressbooks and news posting will be coming in future releases of Pine. Support for gopher is probably much further away. Thanks for the requests! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 3 Mar 1994, ippokratis karakasoglou wrote: > i am a new user of pine and my first problems are.. > i cant use h ( full header mode ) > i want to name and nickname the addresses i ve listed under the name of a > group, so i can mail them individually withouth having to store the same > address twice. I d also like if i had multiple addressbooks... > i also want to read and post my newsgroups through pine... > if i could the same with gopher, it would be great... > > Thanx in advance. > Ippokratis > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 10:53:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02534; Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:53:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11859; Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:24:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11853; Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:24:12 -0800 Received: by unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05946; Thu, 3 Mar 94 12:20:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 12:04:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Reply-To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: From: duplicate user!!! To: The PINE List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Dear Pine List, I have one problem with SunOS 4.1.3 and PINE, when I post mail to "local system", the header is : >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 11:47:27 1994 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:51:47 -0600 (CST) From: isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx, Isaias Callejas To: Isaias Callejas | Subject: test L>the same address. When I use "mail" command to post local mail the header is : >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 11:53:35 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 11:46:13 CST From: isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx To: isma@aguila Subject: test from mail.. When I post mail to others systems it is fine (well, I believe it): >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 12:04:44 1994 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 11:57:28 -0600 (CST) From: Isaias Callejas To: isma@unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx Subject: test to unamvm1 Any idea??? Thank's in advance... /#### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /######## Electronic Mail System Administration /## /########## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing, National University of Mexico ### ######### ### ================================================== ### ##/ ### University City, Mexico D.F. ##########/ ##/ E-mail : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ########/ #/ Phone : (5)6 22 85 22 << MIME is Welcome!!! >> ####/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 12:22:40 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05263; Thu, 3 Mar 94 12:22:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24831; Thu, 3 Mar 94 11:48:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turtle.mcc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24825; Thu, 3 Mar 94 11:48:00 -0800 Received: from avarice.mcc.com by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA06380; Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:47:57 CST Received: by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA17668; Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:47:56 CST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 13:47:56 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Garrigues Reply-To: Chris Garrigues Subject: Section headers on multipart messages To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Is there a reason that the Content-Description header is printed on all parts of a multipart message except for the first? Chris Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 13:51:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07781; Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:51:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26243; Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:28:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turtle.mcc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26237; Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:28:40 -0800 Received: from avarice.mcc.com by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA07607; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:28:38 CST Received: by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA18444; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:28:37 CST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:28:36 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Garrigues Reply-To: Chris Garrigues Subject: multipart/digest To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Two things: First, it would be nice if display of the parts of a multipart/digest message showed the subject line rather than the string "Attached Text". (Also, it should show the subject line in the Parts/Attachments "header.") Second, any Content-Transfer-Encoding header in the individual parts appears to be ignored. Chris Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 14:24:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08765; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:24:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15093; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:01:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15087; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:01:43 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25987; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:01:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: From: duplicate user!!! To: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Cc: The PINE List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Isaias, I suspect that the sendmail program on your system is re-writing the "From:" header on some of your mail and not getting it quite right. The "From:" header that Pine generates should be identical on all messages. Compare the headers on the messages below with the headers on the copies in your sent-mail folder to confirm this. One thing you can try is to set the "smtp-server" variable in your .pinerc file. You can specify just about any Unix system as the smtp-server, so you might experiment with a few to see if they behave differently. I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 3 Mar 1994, Isaias Callejas Mancilla. wrote: > > Dear Pine List, > I have one problem with SunOS 4.1.3 and PINE, when I post mail to > "local system", the header is : > > >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 11:47:27 1994 > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:51:47 -0600 (CST) > From: isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx, Isaias Callejas > To: Isaias Callejas | > Subject: test L>the same address. > Status: O > X-Status: > > > When I use "mail" command to post local mail the header is : > > >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 11:53:35 1994 > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 11:46:13 CST > From: isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx > To: isma@aguila > Subject: test from mail.. > Status: O > X-Status: > > When I post mail to others systems it is fine (well, I believe it): > > >From isma@aguila.dgsca.unam.mx Thu Mar 3 12:04:44 1994 > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 11:57:28 -0600 (CST) > From: Isaias Callejas > To: isma@unamvm1.dgsca.unam.mx > Subject: test to unamvm1 > Status: O > X-Status: > > Any idea??? > > Thank's in advance... > > /#### E. Isaias Callejas M. > /# /######## Electronic Mail System Administration > /## /########## Coordination of Computing Services > ### /## ### Academic Computing, National University of Mexico > ### ######### ### ================================================== > ### ##/ ### University City, Mexico D.F. > ##########/ ##/ E-mail : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx > ########/ #/ Phone : (5)6 22 85 22 << MIME is Welcome!!! >> > ####/ > > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 15:26:51 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10478; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:26:51 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27890; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:03:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27884; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:03:14 -0800 Received: from kimbark.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:03:13 CST Received: by kimbark.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA20394; Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:02:43 CST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:02:42 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: nto imlemented? To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I ve put the old-growth-set and soem other cmds in my .pinerc, but since then pine keeps telling me that these commands are nto yet imlemented.. HUH??? Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 3 15:51:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11118; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:51:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28390; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:36:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28384; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:36:21 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27465; Thu, 3 Mar 94 15:36:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: nto imlemented? To: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Cc: Pine Lista In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ippokraths, There are indeed a few commands that did not get implemented in Pine 3.88/3.89. They will be available in the next release. Sorry about any confusion this has caused. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 3 Mar 1994, Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote: > > I ve put the old-growth-set and soem other cmds in my .pinerc, but since > then pine keeps telling me that these commands are nto yet imlemented.. > HUH??? > > Ippokratis > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 03:53:13 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22966; Fri, 4 Mar 94 03:53:13 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04659; Fri, 4 Mar 94 03:38:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04653; Fri, 4 Mar 94 03:38:17 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <03556-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:37:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:35:26 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Pine as a newsreader To: Pine Info List X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now that we have a new-server whose response is fast enough to make the experiments bearable, I have been trying out PINE (PC and unix) as a newsreader. Compared to my standard newsreaders (trumpet on the PC and rn on unix) I far prefer the user interface, with one exception: both the others skip newsgroups which have no new items; what I would like PINE to do ideally would be to skip to next with some new items; if this is hard, I would like it to prompt in the info line, something like 'no new items in newsgroup; move to next (a.b.c)? (n/y) [y]' My other problem is just like the multiple aaddress books problem - I wind up with .newsrc on unix and NEWSRC on the PC out of step, and have to remember to ftp the across - can we have remote access to the unix .newsrc from the PC, please (sometime) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 04:42:56 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23914; Fri, 4 Mar 94 04:42:56 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05172; Fri, 4 Mar 94 04:21:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from snow.csi.cam.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05166; Fri, 4 Mar 94 04:21:21 -0800 Received: from quinag.csi.cam.ac.uk by ppsw2.cam.ac.uk with SMTP-CAM (PP-6.0) as ppsw.cam.ac.uk id <05374-0@ppsw2.cam.ac.uk>; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:21:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:18:29 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: PINE & OS/2 To: Pine Info List X-Sender: bl10@cus.cam.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I assume this is a wishlist item, but if not, please let me know! I would like to run PINE under OS/2; plainly an OS/2 workplace shell PINE requires work, so I would expect to run it in a DOS box. However, so far as I can find out, PINE does not work with the available TCPIP implementations. (we have tried IBM's TCPIP for OS/2, and LWP) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 05:15:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24375; Fri, 4 Mar 94 05:15:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05373; Fri, 4 Mar 94 04:51:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from loke.btj.se by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05367; Fri, 4 Mar 94 04:51:10 -0800 Received: by loke.btj.se id AA15372 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:51:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:51:03 +0100 (NFT) From: Goran Svensson Subject: 8 bit characters, and pgp signing ? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Charset: ISO_8859-1 X-Char-Esc: 0 Hi folks. Beeing a newbie, I have 2 questions. They may FAQs, if so flame me (we need some warmening up here in Sweden :-). 1) In out native language, we use some 8bit characters (=E5=E4=F6). Entering them in a mail is no problem, but after I have sent the mail the characters are translated. How do I get rid of this translation ? My mailers at the other end can handle 8bit characters, but not the encoded characters. 2) How do I add a post-processing filter, which takes to *BODY* of the mail after I have sent it and process it. (i.e. How do I add automatic pgp signing of my messages ?) BTW, Pine is a great product (If I flatter you, I might get more and=20 friendlier responses) ***************************************************************************= **** * Goran Svensson = * * BTJ System AB, Lund, Sweden = * * Email: goran@btj.se * Snail: Box 4066, S-227 21 Lund, Swed= en * * Phone: +46 46 18 00 00 * Street: Traktorvagen 11 = * * Fax: +46 46 18 03 33 * = * ***************************************************************************= **** * Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter= * * if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own = * * common sense." = * * --Buddha = * ***************************************************************************= **** **** Disclaimer **** All opinions are my own, since my employer does not have any opinions at al= l From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 08:15:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26562; Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:15:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06554; Fri, 4 Mar 94 07:53:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from isumvs.iastate.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06548; Fri, 4 Mar 94 07:53:23 -0800 Received: from 147.155.30.12 by ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:53:41 CST Received: by tc2.fi.ameslab.gov (920110.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @isumvs.iastate.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA02015; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:50:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:50:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregory J. Atchity" Subject: Anyone have Reply-To patch? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got SLIP and LINUX running on my PC at home and I'd like to use Pine for sending email from there, but really need the Reply-To header since my PC is only on the net a few hours a night and my main mailbox is at work anyway. Anyways, before I invest some time making source mods, does anyone have patches that implement the Reply-To? Also, I found in the c-client where the remote IMAPd link (rimapd) is specified as /etc/rimapd. I might suggest that the path to rimapd be a variable in the system .pinerc file in the next release. My central mail server sysop will not support IMAP (yet), so I had to make a source code mod to run my own private copy of imapd. I just changed the path to rimapd in the source for my pc-linux version of pine (to bin/rimapd), and copied imapd to to bin/rimpad on my private account at work. It's working just fine so far. Keep up the good work on Pine, I'm starting to prefer it over ELM. As soon as you put in user-defined headers and message tagging, it'll be no contest between the two. (Ok, one minor beef remains, I don't like that the addressbook doesn't support comments. But I've now a central ELM format addressbook and a shell script I use to produce a Pine .addressbook). --- Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 08:52:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27667; Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:52:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24695; Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:29:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24689; Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:29:37 -0800 Received: from uucp6.UU.NET by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwfuf01783; Fri, 4 Mar 94 11:29:07 -0500 Received: from merint.UUCP by uucp6.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:29:28 -0500 Received: by merint (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32500; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:27:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:27:16 -0700 From: merint!alexc@uunet.UU.NET (Alex Chan - Admin) Message-Id: <9403041527.AA32500@merint> To: uunet!pine-info%cac.washington.edu@uunet.UU.NET Subject: unsubscribe me please. Thanks. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 10:04:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00125; Fri, 4 Mar 94 10:04:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07683; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:10:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07677; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:09:58 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06607; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:09:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Anyone have Reply-To patch? To: "Gregory J. Atchity" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg, The next version of Pine will include support for the Reply-To header. In the mean time, if your username is the same on your local and remote systems, you might be able to get the effect you want by setting the user-domain variable in your .pinerc. The problem with making the path to rimapd configurable is that if you move it then only clients with the same configuration will be able to use it. This would lead to no end of confusion if you get users trying to use other (c-client based) clients, or even the same client program with a different path. We are still mulling over how to implement user-defined headers. Message annotation and flagging are proposed or in the works. Addressbook comments may well come as a side-effect of IMSP support. Anything else you need? Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > I've got SLIP and LINUX running on my PC at home and I'd like to use Pine > for sending email from there, but really need the Reply-To header since my PC > is only on the net a few hours a night and my main mailbox is at work > anyway. > > Anyways, before I invest some time making source mods, does anyone have > patches that implement the Reply-To? > > Also, I found in the c-client where the remote IMAPd link (rimapd) is > specified as /etc/rimapd. I might suggest that the path to rimapd be a > variable in the system .pinerc file in the next release. My central mail > server sysop will not support IMAP (yet), so I had to make a source code mod > to run my own private copy of imapd. I just changed the path to rimapd in > the source for my pc-linux version of pine (to bin/rimapd), and copied imapd > to to bin/rimpad on my private account at work. It's working just fine so > far. > > Keep up the good work on Pine, I'm starting to prefer it over ELM. As > soon as you put in user-defined headers and message tagging, it'll be no > contest between the two. (Ok, one minor beef remains, I don't like that the > addressbook doesn't support comments. But I've now a central ELM format > addressbook and a shell script I use to produce a Pine .addressbook). > > --- > Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) > Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 11:31:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03562; Fri, 4 Mar 94 11:31:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09010; Fri, 4 Mar 94 10:50:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from isumvs.iastate.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09002; Fri, 4 Mar 94 10:50:25 -0800 Received: from 147.155.30.12 by ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:50:54 CST Received: by tc2.fi.ameslab.gov (920110.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @isumvs.iastate.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA03867; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:47:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:47:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregory J. Atchity" Reply-To: "Gregory J. Atchity" Subject: Re: Anyone have Reply-To patch? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1818550772-543986678-762806841:#3804" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1818550772-543986678-762806841:#3804 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > may well come as a side-effect of IMSP support. Anything else you need? David, I really appreciate your incredibly prompt and curteous reply! I imagine it is a bit disheartening to software developers when their users always write in and say "I don't like this!" and "Why didn't you do that?", as I myself have been known to do from time to time. Your enthusiasm is great. Thanks for the hint on the user-domain, that solves my problem nicely. And as for the addressbook, well, I have always kept and will continue to keep one file with email, postal, and telephone information. However, I have no problem with keeping a separate addressbook and then converting to what the mail program can use, that's what I've been doing. That means I cannot use the 'take address' feature of Pine, of course. My current vision of a 'perfect' addressbook is be one that: - is a text file (Pine's is) - is never sorted. Mailer only modifies it by adding at the end. (ELM's is not sorted) - has comments begin with '#' character. (ELM uses #) - does NOT use a single tab or space as a separator. Pine's single tabs make the addressbook ugly and hard to read. (ELM's '=' is fine). I've recently rewritten the shell script I use to convert from ELM addressbook format to .mailrc, and now to Pine's .addressbook. I've attached it in case anyone else would care to use it. I won't guarantee it'll work for everyone else, but it works great for me. 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To: "Gregory J. Atchity" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-995364708-762810348=:5277" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-995364708-762810348=:5277 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Greg, The current proposed c-client API for IMSP (aren't acronyms wonderful ;) includes driver-based addressbook support, much like the current mailbox drivers. This means that it will be quite easy for someone to write additional drivers for other addressbook formats, like .mailrc, ELM, etc. Thanks for the scripts! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > may well come as a side-effect of IMSP support. Anything else you need? > > David, I really appreciate your incredibly prompt and curteous reply! > I imagine it is a bit disheartening to software developers when their > users always write in and say "I don't like this!" and "Why didn't you do > that?", as I myself have been known to do from time to time. Your > enthusiasm is great. > > Thanks for the hint on the user-domain, that solves my problem nicely. > > And as for the addressbook, well, I have always kept and will continue > to keep one file with email, postal, and telephone information. However, > I have no problem with keeping a separate addressbook and then converting > to what the mail program can use, that's what I've been doing. That means > I cannot use the 'take address' feature of Pine, of course. > > My current vision of a 'perfect' addressbook is be one that: > - is a text file (Pine's is) > - is never sorted. Mailer only modifies it by adding at the end. > (ELM's is not sorted) > - has comments begin with '#' character. (ELM uses #) > - does NOT use a single tab or space as a separator. Pine's single > tabs make the addressbook ugly and hard to read. (ELM's '=' is fine). > > I've recently rewritten the shell script I use to convert from ELM > addressbook format to .mailrc, and now to Pine's .addressbook. I've > attached it in case anyone else would care to use it. I won't guarantee > it'll work for everyone else, but it works great for me. It requires an > 'awk' program and 'sed'. > > --- > Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) > Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE > > > > > > --0-995364708-762810348=:5277-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 13:09:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06586; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:09:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28518; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:52:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28512; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:52:44 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa14027; 4 Mar 94 15:52 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA14086; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:52:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:52:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Steven D. Majewski" Subject: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have switched my users here over to pine 3.89, using the precompiled version from ftp.cac.washington.edu. ( I'm running Pico 2.3 - also precompiled. I don't remember if that is still the old version, or if that is the latest. ) Some people have been reporting that Pine locks up on them when they have entered Compose Mode. They are unable to enter any text or cancel with Control-C. I was able to reproduce ONE problem: *IF* there was an improper exit from Pine while composing a message, it appears to want to INSIST that you continue a postponed message. If I said "YES" , I was able to again postpone the message, and continue. If I said "No", It entered compose mode and froze. After I had instructed one person on the way around this, I was called in on another case of freezing in compose mode, where it had nothing to do with a deferred or interrupted message. ( I tried starting with "pine -z" , and was also unable to suspend the program with Control-Z. ) The first case, I can reproduce from xterm session or nsca telnet session ( and probably any other connection. ) The second case I have only seen once (i.e. one REPORT, I was able to induce the problem repeatedly, and finally told them to use pine.old ) from a Macintosh NCSA Telnet emulating vt100. Has anyone else seen this problem? ( I've been searching back thru the archive, as I remembered quite a number of RS6000/AIX problems, but I haven't yet found this one. ) =============================================================================== Steven D. 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[ Still the same spacious offices in Jordan Hall - only the letterhead has changed! ] From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 13:12:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06707; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:12:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28548; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:54:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from welch-gate.welch.jhu.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28542; Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:54:49 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu by welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA16401; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:51:37 EST Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16389; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:49:38 EST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher Subject: ispell To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 822 Does anyone use ispell in pine ? If so how does one get an interactive usage like typing ispell ? I am using ispell 4.0. Thanks, ___ __ ___ _ .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ ---- "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." (Samuel Adams) ---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 13:39:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07522; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:39:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11242; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:17:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11236; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:17:20 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11878; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:17:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: ispell To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Keith, If you set the "editor" variable in your .pinerc file to "ispell" you can use the '^_' key in the composer to call ispell interactively. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > Does anyone use ispell in pine ? If so how does one get an interactive > usage like typing ispell ? I am using ispell 4.0. > > Thanks, > > > > ___ __ ___ _ > .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ > | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ > | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ > `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ > > ---- > > "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude > greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in > peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick > the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our > countrymen." > (Samuel Adams) > ---- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 14:25:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08965; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:25:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29439; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:59:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29433; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:59:31 -0800 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA24030 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 16:59:29 -0500 Received: by rac2.wam.umd.edu id AA25103 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 16:59:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 16:59:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Adopt-A-Highway:Adopt-A-Road" Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > I have switched my users here over to pine 3.89, using the precompiled > version from ftp.cac.washington.edu. ( I'm running Pico 2.3 - also > precompiled. I don't remember if that is still the old version, or if > that is the latest. ) > > Some people have been reporting that Pine locks up on them when they > have entered Compose Mode. They are unable to enter any text or cancel > with Control-C. I do have the problem of locking up when I'm using PINE on the RS/6000 AIX system... however, I don't even get as far as getting into compose mode... My system (PINE) would lock up as I enter the Menu screen. ... I would examine the debug file and it wouldn't even complete the debug... it goes half way into the debug ... then nothing. I would then have to kill the process from another shell. " ... 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Mark 6:23 | (301) 948-5174 * Univ of MD, College Pk From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 14:31:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09238; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:31:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11751; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:00:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11745; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:59:59 -0800 Received: from Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA26082; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:59:52 -0800 Received: by Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (NX5.67e/UW-NDC/Panda Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA07196; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:59:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Anyone have Reply-To patch? To: "Gregory J. Atchity" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > Also, I found in the c-client where the remote IMAPd link (rimapd) is > specified as /etc/rimapd. I might suggest that the path to rimapd be a > variable in the system .pinerc file in the next release. My central mail > server sysop will not support IMAP (yet), so I had to make a source code mod > to run my own private copy of imapd. I just changed the path to rimapd in > the source for my pc-linux version of pine (to bin/rimapd), and copied imapd > to to bin/rimpad on my private account at work. It's working just fine so > far. Hello. The rimapd functionality is not for ``remote imapd'' (although you seem to be using it successfully for that), but rather for pre-authenticated IMAP connections using the BSD r protocols. The normal means of accessing IMAP servers is via a TCP/IP connection to port 143. The reason why the /etc/rimapd name is wired in to the code is that for the pre-authentication service to be meaningful, it has to use a single, globally-valid means of access. If the attractive nuisance of having it as a parameter were available, then people would be misled into changing it, and then discover that the service broke when trying to access other systems. We are aware that there are legitimate reasons such as yours why you would want to change it. It is for this reason (among others) that we provide sources; we feel that someone who understands the issues will also understand how to modify the source code AND will understand that he is making a non-standard change. For your particular application -- access to a private imapd -- it is intended that there will be an alternative mechanism. This is part of the general idea to have ``dialup IMAP'' without requiring SLIP or PPP. There isn't any time estimate yet on when this will happen; but it will probably be some time this year after IMAP4 support is finished. So, help is one the way! Thank you for your suggestions, and for reminding us that your type of application is still not adequately addressed. Regards, -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 14:50:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09550; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:50:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29851; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:34:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29844; Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:34:25 -0800 Received: from elvis.med.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa16635; 4 Mar 94 17:34 EST Received: by elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (5.65c/1.34) id AA15797; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:34:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:34:23 -0500 From: "Steven D. Majewski" Message-Id: <199403042234.AA15797@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: "Steven D. Majewski" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode More info: I have NOW reproduced the problem to the extent that I can't successfully get into pine again. ( continuing the interrupted composition, as suggested, also freezes. ) I have exited with a "kill -HUP" from another window. When I tried a "kill -QUIT" instead, I get a message from Pine "Emergency Exit ... :" , the cursor has moved to the correct position to answer the question, but I can't type anything. ( i.e. no echo and no response ) [ I have also retrieved the latest aix32 pico binary , and it is identical to the one I have installed. ] The tail end of ~/.pine-debug1 ( from the HUP exit ) contains: Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.89 Fri Mar 4 17:25:45 1994 [ ... ] Sorting by arrival ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- Want_to read: y (121) === send called === new win size -----<28 88>------ Save composition on HUP succeeded ** Received SIGHUP ** about to end_tty_driver - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 15:24:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10494; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:24:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12503; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:04:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12497; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:04:04 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13508; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:03:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: "Steven D. Majewski" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199403042234.AA15797@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Steve, Can you repeat this test with the "-d9" option set and send the whole thing to pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu? (no need to bother pine-info with the gorey details) Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > More info: > I have NOW reproduced the problem to the extent that I can't > successfully get into pine again. ( continuing the interrupted > composition, as suggested, also freezes. ) > > I have exited with a "kill -HUP" from another window. > When I tried a "kill -QUIT" instead, I get a message > from Pine "Emergency Exit ... :" , the cursor has moved > to the correct position to answer the question, but I can't > type anything. ( i.e. no echo and no response ) > > [ I have also retrieved the latest aix32 pico binary , and it is > identical to the one I have installed. ] > > The tail end of ~/.pine-debug1 ( from the HUP exit ) contains: > > Debug output of the Pine program (at debug level 2). Version 3.89 > Fri Mar 4 17:25:45 1994 > > [ ... ] > > Sorting by arrival > > > ---- MAIN_MENU_SCREEN ---- > > > ---- COMPOSE SCREEN (not in pico yet) ---- > Want_to read: y (121) > > === send called === > new win size -----<28 88>------ > Save composition on HUP succeeded > > > ** Received SIGHUP ** > > > > about to end_tty_driver > > > > - Steve Majewski (804-982-0831) > - UVA Department of Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 15:58:17 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11327; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:58:17 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00937; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:45:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eis.CalState.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00929; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:45:17 -0800 Received: by eis.calstate.edu (4.1/KNMods2.1) id AA21244; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:45:32 PST From: mark@eis.calstate.edu (Mark Crother) Message-Id: <9403042345.AA21244@eis.calstate.edu> Subject: sticky-bit? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 617 I was wondering if anyone in the world of PINE is using it with the sticky bit set. I seem to have a huge number of users using PINE at trhe same time, and unless PINE is build with demand paging and/or shared text, setting the sticky bit should help me. Any comments on the sticky bit and/or the way PINE is made and if they use demand paging and shared text would be appreciated. Thanks -- Mark Crother mark@ctp.org California Technology Project(CTP) Sysadm (310)985-9631 California Online Resources for Education(CORE) (800)272-8743(Calif only) Cal State Univ. --"I'm a hard CORE user!" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 4 21:30:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16119; Fri, 4 Mar 94 21:30:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15698; Fri, 4 Mar 94 21:20:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15692; Fri, 4 Mar 94 21:20:10 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21224; Fri, 4 Mar 94 21:20:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Pine as a newsreader To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barry, Both of your suggestions are definitely planned. -teg On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > Now that we have a new-server whose response is fast enough to make the > experiments bearable, I have been trying out PINE (PC and unix) as a > newsreader. Compared to my standard newsreaders (trumpet on the PC and rn > on unix) I far prefer the user interface, with one exception: > > both the others skip newsgroups which have no new items; > what I would like PINE to do ideally would be to skip to next with some > new items; if this is hard, I would like it to prompt in the info line, > something like 'no new items in newsgroup; move to next (a.b.c)? (n/y) [y]' > > My other problem is just like the multiple aaddress books problem - I > wind up with .newsrc on unix and NEWSRC on the PC out of step, and have > to remember to ftp the across - can we have remote access to the unix > .newsrc from the PC, please (sometime) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 > Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 > University of Cambridge Computing Service > New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk > Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 12:22:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27571; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:22:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09117; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:07:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09111; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:07:13 -0800 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:07:12 CST Received: by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA21337; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:06:27 CST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:06:27 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can i postpone mre than one messages? How can I write Reply-to? Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 12:51:02 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27781; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:51:02 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21672; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:36:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21666; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:36:30 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17975; Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:36:29 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 05 Mar 94 21:22:21+0100 Date: 05 Mar 94 21:22:21+0100 From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Message-Id: <602760*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Lista From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 13:43:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28355; Sat, 5 Mar 94 13:43:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09560; Sat, 5 Mar 94 13:33:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09554; Sat, 5 Mar 94 13:33:11 -0800 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat, 5 Mar 94 15:33:10 CST Received: by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA25489; Sat, 5 Mar 94 15:32:25 CST Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:32:24 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! In the list folder how can I make pine display folders verticaly instead of horizontally; Thanks. Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 14:17:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28934; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:17:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22212; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:07:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22206; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:07:04 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18808; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:07:03 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 05 Mar 94 22:53:35+0100 Date: 05 Mar 94 22:53:35+0100 From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Message-Id: <602792*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Lista From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 14:38:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29226; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:38:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22323; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:29:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22317; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:29:36 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28487; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:29:26 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Pine as a newsreader To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barry, Mark reminded me that if your news database is on a machine where you have a home directory, you can keep your .newsrc on that machine, and use IMAP to access news from anywhere, without having to worry about multiple copies of .newsrc being out of sync. To access news via IMAP, just take the "/nntp" out of the news collection specification. Later on we will have true location independence for all the Pine auxiliary files, including address books and .newsrc files. -teg On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > My other problem is just like the multiple aaddress books problem - I > wind up with .newsrc on unix and NEWSRC on the PC out of step, and have > to remember to ftp the across - can we have remote access to the unix > .newsrc from the PC, please (sometime) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 14:45:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29324; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:45:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09999; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:35:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09993; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:35:04 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26794; Sat, 5 Mar 94 14:35:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: your mail To: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Cc: Pine Lista In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ippokratis, Multiple postponed messages may not make the next release, but it is definitely on the "short" list of enhancements. Reply-to support will be in the next release. We'll add changing list order to the requested enhancement list. -teg On Sat, 5 Mar 1994, Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote: > How can i postpone mre than one messages? > > How can I write Reply-to? > > In the list folder how can I make pine display folders verticaly instead > of horizontally; From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 5 20:03:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02337; Sat, 5 Mar 94 20:03:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23952; Sat, 5 Mar 94 19:53:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23946; Sat, 5 Mar 94 19:53:28 -0800 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA18497 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 22:53:22 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20494; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 22:52:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 22:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode To: "Steven D. Majewski" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had this problem for a while with version 3.87 on our RS/6k AIX 3.2, and i solved it by using termcaps instead of curses. For some unknown reason, both the curses and extended curses libraries would lock up the computer if the user would go directly into compose. If the user would first go into the mail index and then compose it would work for that one time, but the very next compose would lock up. On some terminals the pine would just lock up. On others it would just send lots of garbage. A check of stty showed that pine was changing the baud rate down to 50 or 110 bps! BTW, Aix 3.2 has a woefully inadequate termcaps file, so I searched Archie for the file termcap.src and got a much more complete one from somewhere else. ---- Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > I have switched my users here over to pine 3.89, using the precompiled > version from ftp.cac.washington.edu. ( I'm running Pico 2.3 - also > precompiled. I don't remember if that is still the old version, or if > that is the latest. ) > > Some people have been reporting that Pine locks up on them when they > have entered Compose Mode. They are unable to enter any text or cancel > with Control-C. > > I was able to reproduce ONE problem: > *IF* there was an improper exit from Pine while composing a message, > it appears to want to INSIST that you continue a postponed message. > If I said "YES" , I was able to again postpone the message, and > continue. If I said "No", It entered compose mode and froze. > > After I had instructed one person on the way around this, I was called > in on another case of freezing in compose mode, where it had nothing > to do with a deferred or interrupted message. > > ( I tried starting with "pine -z" , and was also unable to suspend the > program with Control-Z. ) > > The first case, I can reproduce from xterm session or nsca telnet session > ( and probably any other connection. ) The second case I have only seen > once (i.e. one REPORT, I was able to induce the problem repeatedly, > and finally told them to use pine.old ) from a Macintosh NCSA Telnet > emulating vt100. > > Has anyone else seen this problem? > > ( I've been searching back thru the archive, as I remembered quite a > number of RS6000/AIX problems, but I haven't yet found this one. ) > > =============================================================================== > Steven D. Majewski University of Virginia > sdm7g@Virginia.EDU Box 449 Health Sciences Center > Voice: (804)-982-0831 1300 Jefferson Park Avenue > FAX: (804)-982-1616 Charlottesville, VA 22908 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Former UVA Department of Physiology, now Department of Molecular Physiology > and Biological Physics! [ Still the same spacious offices in Jordan Hall > - only the letterhead has changed! ] > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 6 17:46:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15562; Sun, 6 Mar 94 17:46:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00935; Sun, 6 Mar 94 17:31:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from wren.acs.csulb.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00911; Sun, 6 Mar 94 17:30:59 -0800 Received: by wren.acs.csulb.edu id AA09538 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for Pine Info List ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:30:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: VampLestat Subject: Order of Listed Folders To: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How does pine determine the order to list the files in the 'L'ist Folders screen? I'd like to order my folders with some of the more important ones at the top, but I cant figure out how it determines the order to list them in. _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu | Academic Computing Services Cal State Long Beach - Network Support | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 6 22:06:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17405; Sun, 6 Mar 94 22:06:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19396; Sun, 6 Mar 94 21:52:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19390; Sun, 6 Mar 94 21:52:54 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10713; Sun, 6 Mar 94 21:52:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert Subject: Re: Order of Listed Folders To: VampLestat Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It used to sort them alphabetically but as of some fairly recent version (can't remember which one offhand, maybe not until 3.89) it lists them in the same order you have them listed in your folder-collections variable. Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Sun, 6 Mar 1994, VampLestat wrote: > > How does pine determine the order to list the files in the 'L'ist Folders > screen? I'd like to order my folders with some of the more important > ones at the top, but I cant figure out how it determines the order to > list them in. > > _O_ Ryan L. Watkins vamp@csulb.edu > | Academic Computing Services Cal State Long Beach - Network Support > | pgp key available via 'finger vamp@beach.csulb.edu' or key server > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 00:12:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18464; Mon, 7 Mar 94 00:12:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02715; Sun, 6 Mar 94 23:58:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ciao.trail.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02709; Sun, 6 Mar 94 23:58:14 -0800 Received: by CIAO (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13575; Mon, 7 Mar 94 00:00:03 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 00:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Showers Subject: Enhancement request To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you for creating Pine. Off-the-wall requests for split personalities: The ability to change return address to an alias, because I wear more then one hat. System Admin, Helpline, Info-request, etc. It would be nice to maintain the illusion. And on the same line, a signature file toggle key-stroke, for an alternate signature (or two). I accept little, and appreciate all you have done already. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 09:12:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27939; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:12:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06564; Mon, 7 Mar 94 08:54:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06556; Mon, 7 Mar 94 08:54:36 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08991; Mon, 7 Mar 94 08:54:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 08:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Enhancement request To: Michael Showers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Michael, The next version of pine will support the Reply-To: header. We have discussed the possibility of making From: configurable, but we still have some reservations... One possibility that has been proposed for multiple signatures is to not have a .signature, but to have several files with short names (e.g. .s1, .s2, ...) and just use ^R to read in the appropriate one. We do have items on our requested-enhancement list to have switchable signatures, but I don't know when/if we will get to them. Thanks for the suggestions! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Michael Showers wrote: > > Thank you for creating Pine. > > Off-the-wall requests for split personalities: > > The ability to change return address to an alias, because I wear more > then one hat. System Admin, Helpline, Info-request, etc. It would be > nice to maintain the illusion. > > And on the same line, a signature file toggle key-stroke, for an alternate > signature (or two). > > I accept little, and appreciate all you have done already. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 10:10:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00591; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:10:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07578; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:51:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07572; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:51:05 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB/jba) id AA01846; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:51:03 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:51:01 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pico line length Message-Id: Pico seems to have some arbitrary line-length limitation. I don't see an option to change it. While we have Pine 3.89, I'm about to suggest people edit their .newsrc to subscribe and unsubscribe, but I see they can get into big trouble if the .newsrc was created by rn or trn and has a line like this: news.answers! 1-17801,17805,17860-17862,17880-17881,17892,17901-17905,17920-17921,17926,17933-17935,17945,17948-17956,17958-17959,17961-17963,17983,17990-17993,18013-18017,18058-18059,18062,18073-18075,18095-18106,18117,18122-18123,18148-18155,18278,18858 since Pico rewrites it to several 80-column lines like this: news.answers! 1-17801,17805,17860-17862,17880-17881,17892,17901-17905,17920-1792 1,17926,17933-17935,17945,17948-17956,17958-17959,17961-17963,17983,17990-17993, 18013-18017,18058-18059,18062,18073-18075,18095-18106,18117,18122-18123,18148-18 155,18278,18858 and now rn can't read it. Woof. (This current message was written with Emacs.) Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 10:15:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00766; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:15:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07654; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:55:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07646; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:55:35 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB/jba) id AA02558; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:55:31 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:55:30 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: correction, bad report Message-Id: Oops, I have mis-reported the problem with Pico's line length. The example quoted is wrong. It does not cut at 80 columns. It did cut this very long line in two, with 3 blank spaces between the two parts: news.groups! 1-63175,68769-68771,74288,74913-74926,79727-79728,80095,80501,80504,80508,80526,80530,80540,80546-80547,80551-80552,80555,80589,80593-80594,80599,80642,80658,80668,80678,80688,80690,80729-80730,80747,80751,80760-80762,80775,80777,80790,80816, 80822,80832,80834,80838,80850,80876,80883,80891,80893-80894,80909,80923-80924,80953,80969,80993,81003,81011,81039,81051,81069-81070,81077,81119,81134,81138-81139,81147,81149,81168,81261,81279 Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 10:16:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00815; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:16:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07604; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:52:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07598; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:52:47 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10219; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:52:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 on RS/6000-AIX-3.2 sometimes locks up in Compose mode To: Joshua Hosseinoff Cc: "Steven D. Majewski" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sigh... We changed from libtermcap to libcurses due to complaints about the inadequate termcap file. Now it looks like libcurses is causing problems at some sites :( Unfortunately, alot of the problems that are reported on AIX 3.2 do not show up on our AIX 3.2 machines... Any suggestions or insights from the AIX gurus out there would be appreciated! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 5 Mar 1994, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: > I had this problem for a while with version 3.87 on our RS/6k AIX 3.2, > and i solved it by using termcaps instead of curses. For some unknown > reason, both the curses and extended curses libraries would lock up the > computer if the user would go directly into compose. If the user would > first go into the mail index and then compose it would work for that one > time, but the very next compose would lock up. > On some terminals the pine would just lock up. On others it would just > send lots of garbage. A check of stty showed that pine was changing the > baud rate down to 50 or 110 bps! > BTW, Aix 3.2 has a woefully inadequate termcaps file, so I searched > Archie for the file termcap.src and got a much more complete one from > somewhere else. > > ---- > Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Steven D. Majewski wrote: > > > > > I have switched my users here over to pine 3.89, using the precompiled > > version from ftp.cac.washington.edu. ( I'm running Pico 2.3 - also > > precompiled. I don't remember if that is still the old version, or if > > that is the latest. ) > > > > Some people have been reporting that Pine locks up on them when they > > have entered Compose Mode. They are unable to enter any text or cancel > > with Control-C. > > > > I was able to reproduce ONE problem: > > *IF* there was an improper exit from Pine while composing a message, > > it appears to want to INSIST that you continue a postponed message. > > If I said "YES" , I was able to again postpone the message, and > > continue. If I said "No", It entered compose mode and froze. > > > > After I had instructed one person on the way around this, I was called > > in on another case of freezing in compose mode, where it had nothing > > to do with a deferred or interrupted message. > > > > ( I tried starting with "pine -z" , and was also unable to suspend the > > program with Control-Z. ) > > > > The first case, I can reproduce from xterm session or nsca telnet session > > ( and probably any other connection. ) The second case I have only seen > > once (i.e. one REPORT, I was able to induce the problem repeatedly, > > and finally told them to use pine.old ) from a Macintosh NCSA Telnet > > emulating vt100. > > > > Has anyone else seen this problem? > > > > ( I've been searching back thru the archive, as I remembered quite a > > number of RS6000/AIX problems, but I haven't yet found this one. ) > > > > =============================================================================== > > Steven D. Majewski University of Virginia > > sdm7g@Virginia.EDU Box 449 Health Sciences Center > > Voice: (804)-982-0831 1300 Jefferson Park Avenue > > FAX: (804)-982-1616 Charlottesville, VA 22908 > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Former UVA Department of Physiology, now Department of Molecular Physiology > > and Biological Physics! [ Still the same spacious offices in Jordan Hall > > - only the letterhead has changed! ] > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 10:56:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02217; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:56:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08332; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:31:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from [129.55.12.3] by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08326; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:31:19 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA07748; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:29:22 EST Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:29:22 -0500 From: James Dryfoos Subject: Re: Enhancement request To: David L Miller Cc: Michael Showers , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9403071329.AA08209@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 08:54:29 -0800 (PST) > From: David L Miller > To: Michael Showers > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > Subject: Re: Enhancement request > > > Michael, > > The next version of pine will support the Reply-To: header. We have > discussed the possibility of making From: configurable, but we still have > some reservations... Along different lines it would be nice to be able to redirect a message to another recipient and have it retain the original reply address. For example, someone sends me a request to do something I no longer do, I currently have to forward that request to the correct person who does the task, and replies saying it is done. Of course, the reply comes to me instead of the original requestor. Does this make sense? Is this functionality planned? I think pine would have to use the resent header lines? -- Jim > > One possibility that has been proposed for multiple signatures is to not > have a .signature, but to have several files with short names (e.g. .s1, > .s2, ...) and just use ^R to read in the appropriate one. We do have > items on our requested-enhancement list to have switchable signatures, > but I don't know when/if we will get to them. > > Thanks for the suggestions! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Michael Showers wrote: > > > > > Thank you for creating Pine. > > > > Off-the-wall requests for split personalities: > > > > The ability to change return address to an alias, because I wear more > > then one hat. System Admin, Helpline, Info-request, etc. It would be > > nice to maintain the illusion. > > > > And on the same line, a signature file toggle key-stroke, for an alternate > > signature (or two). > > > > I accept little, and appreciate all you have done already. > ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 11:15:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03025; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:15:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08736; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:57:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08730; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:57:35 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11960; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:57:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pico line length To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, Pico appears to have a 255 character line length limit when reading a file. It can however compose and write longer lines. I will make sure this gets on the bug/limitation list. The next version of Pine will have subscribe/unsubscribe commands, so you should not have to put up with the pain of editing .newsrc by hand for too long ;) --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > Pico seems to have some arbitrary line-length limitation. I don't see > an option to change it. > > While we have Pine 3.89, I'm about to suggest people edit their .newsrc > to subscribe and unsubscribe, but I see they can get into big trouble > if the .newsrc was created by rn or trn and has a line like this: > > news.answers! 1-17801,17805,17860-17862,17880-17881,17892,17901-17905,17920-17921,17926,17933-17935,17945,17948-17956,17958-17959,17961-17963,17983,17990-17993,18013-18017,18058-18059,18062,18073-18075,18095-18106,18117,18122-18123,18148-18155,18278,18858 > > since Pico rewrites it to several 80-column lines like this: > > news.answers! 1-17801,17805,17860-17862,17880-17881,17892,17901-17905,17920-1792 > 1,17926,17933-17935,17945,17948-17956,17958-17959,17961-17963,17983,17990-17993, > 18013-18017,18058-18059,18062,18073-18075,18095-18106,18117,18122-18123,18148-18 > 155,18278,18858 > > and now rn can't read it. Woof. > > (This current message was written with Emacs.) > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 11:32:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03803; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:32:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08871; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:04:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08865; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:04:46 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12184; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:04:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 11:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Enhancement request To: James Dryfoos Cc: Michael Showers , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403071329.AA08209@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The "bounce" command will also be available in the next release. It adds the Resent-* lines, but otherwise leaves the message and headers intact. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 08:54:29 -0800 (PST) > > From: David L Miller > > To: Michael Showers > > Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu > > Subject: Re: Enhancement request > > > > > > Michael, > > > > The next version of pine will support the Reply-To: header. We have > > discussed the possibility of making From: configurable, but we still have > > some reservations... > > Along different lines it would be nice to be able to redirect a message > to another recipient and have it retain the original reply address. For > example, someone sends me a request to do something I no longer do, I > currently have to forward that request to the correct person who does the > task, and replies saying it is done. Of course, the reply comes to me > instead of the original requestor. Does this make sense? Is this > functionality planned? I think pine would have to use the resent header > lines? > > -- Jim > > > > > One possibility that has been proposed for multiple signatures is to not > > have a .signature, but to have several files with short names (e.g. .s1, > > .s2, ...) and just use ^R to read in the appropriate one. We do have > > items on our requested-enhancement list to have switchable signatures, > > but I don't know when/if we will get to them. > > > > Thanks for the suggestions! > > > > --DLM > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Michael Showers wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you for creating Pine. > > > > > > Off-the-wall requests for split personalities: > > > > > > The ability to change return address to an alias, because I wear more > > > then one hat. System Admin, Helpline, Info-request, etc. It would be > > > nice to maintain the illusion. > > > > > > And on the same line, a signature file toggle key-stroke, for an alternate > > > signature (or two). > > > > > > I accept little, and appreciate all you have done already. > > > > ========================================================================== > James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | > 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office > Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax > ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 11:44:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04384; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:44:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09296; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:25:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09278; Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:24:35 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <13036-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:23:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:23:46 GMT From: John Stumbles Reply-To: John Stumbles Subject: how to access pico on unix systems To: Pine User Group X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Given the choice, I'd rather use pico than vi to compose my news messages :-) Actually, given the choice I'd rather use Pico than just about any standard or semi-standard Unix editor for anything that doesn't involve regular-expression matching (emacs/vi/etc fans please Reply-to: /dev/nul ;-)) Question is - can I use pico separately from pine on a Unix system, as I can (and do!) on a PC? I can't find an executable for pico in the same directory as pine (I do 'which pine' and then list the directory it's in) so does that mean that pico is part of the pine executable, and is only available separately if compiled separately? I'm asking on the net rather than from our sysadmin because (a) its late and the sysadmin has gone home and (b) because others may like this info too. I've struggled with vi and micro-emacs and I know I'm not the only person crying out for a halfway decent editor for wordsmithing (and even for non-document use: actually I was prompted to write this by Joe Brennan's query about using pico for editing .newsrc) - and a halfway decent editor I'm already familiar with (from pine) seems too good to be true! I think pico could be for general unix file-bashing what pine is for mail - a powerful easy-to-use tool for the non-techies. John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 12:26:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05598; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:26:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27109; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:01:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27103; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:01:36 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13691; Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:01:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 12:01:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: how to access pico on unix systems To: John Stumbles Cc: Pine User Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, Yes, there is a standalone Pico for Unix. It is usually installed in the same directory as Pine, but not necessarily. Apparently your sysadmin neglected or declined to install it... Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, John Stumbles wrote: > Given the choice, I'd rather use pico than vi to compose my news messages :-) > > Actually, given the choice I'd rather use Pico than just about any > standard or semi-standard Unix editor for anything that doesn't involve > regular-expression matching (emacs/vi/etc fans please Reply-to: /dev/nul ;-)) > > Question is - can I use pico separately from pine on a Unix system, as I > can (and do!) on a PC? I can't find an executable for pico in the same > directory as pine (I do 'which pine' and then list the directory it's in) > so does that mean that pico is part of the pine executable, and is only > available separately if compiled separately? > > I'm asking on the net rather than from our sysadmin because (a) its late > and the sysadmin has gone home and (b) because others may like this info > too. > > I've struggled with vi and micro-emacs and I know I'm not the only person > crying out for a halfway decent editor for wordsmithing (and even for > non-document use: actually I was prompted to write this by Joe Brennan's > query about using pico for editing .newsrc) - and a halfway decent editor > I'm already familiar with (from pine) seems too good to be true! I think > pico could be for general unix file-bashing what pine is for mail - a > powerful easy-to-use tool for the non-techies. > > > John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk > University of Reading 0734 318435 > Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 13:49:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08169; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:49:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11710; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:33:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11704; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:33:27 -0800 Received: by stein3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02111; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:33:26 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@stein3.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:33:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew B. Sweger" Subject: PGP & pine To: Pine Information Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dumb question corner... I know this one's been through before, but I didn't save it. How does one use PGP with pine so that a detached signature certificate is created (or any other option). I suspect the alternate editor feature is involved. I tried it with pgp -fsb, but only got silliness. Thanks for your thoughts. -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office) // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON ***Coming-Soon (Voice Mail) / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 14:05:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08689; Mon, 7 Mar 94 14:05:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28991; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:51:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU:JIM@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU> Received: from UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28985; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:51:06 -0800 Message-Id: <9403072151.AA28985@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Received: from UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU by ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0312; Mon, 07 Mar 94 16:46:42 EDT Received: from ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (NJE origin JIM@UCF1VM) by UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8387; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:46:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 16:44:23 EDT From: Jim Ennis Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services Subject: calendar function to supplement Pine To: Pine Info List I hope that this is not too far off of the intent of the list. My campus is using Pine as the email agent for a campus wide email system. We currently still have several hundred PROFS users who have not migrated to Pine. Part of the reason for this is that there is no calendar function built into Pine. Does anyone know of a package either public or commercial which allows vt100 users to maninpulate their own calendars? Using cm is not an option since 98% of the users do not have X-Window access. Thks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Ennis - Systems Programmer | UCF Postmaster University of Central Florida | JIM@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU PO BOX 162500 | (407) 823-2713 Orlando, FL 32816-2500 | "The Future begins Tomorrow." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 14:29:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09148; Mon, 7 Mar 94 14:29:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29281; Mon, 7 Mar 94 14:13:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29275; Mon, 7 Mar 94 14:13:21 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16029; Mon, 7 Mar 94 14:13:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: calendar function to supplement Pine To: Jim Ennis Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: <9403072151.AA28985@mx2.cac.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, I don't have any recommendations for packages, but there is an item on our requested-enhancements list to add a calendar function to Pine. It has not made the "short" list yet, but we will keep it in mind. Let us know what (if anything) you come up with! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Jim Ennis wrote: > I hope that this is not too far off of the intent of the list. > > My campus is using Pine as the email agent for a campus wide email > system. We currently still have several hundred PROFS users who have > not migrated to Pine. Part of the reason for this is that there is > no calendar function built into Pine. Does anyone know of a package > either public or commercial which allows vt100 users to maninpulate > their own calendars? Using cm is not an option since 98% of the users > do not have X-Window access. > > Thks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Ennis - Systems Programmer | UCF Postmaster > University of Central Florida | JIM@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU > PO BOX 162500 | (407) 823-2713 > Orlando, FL 32816-2500 | "The Future begins Tomorrow." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 18:09:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14756; Mon, 7 Mar 94 18:09:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02292; Mon, 7 Mar 94 17:58:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02278; Mon, 7 Mar 94 17:56:51 -0800 Received: from lovelace.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA02361 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 23:18:41 +0100 From: Roman Czyborra To: dryfoos@ll.mit.edu Subject: A: retaining reply address Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 23:18:36 +0100 Don't forward but reply to all recipients when delegating the request. Then the Reply-To: will stay as To: in the header, you'll just have to insert the address of your co-worker. It's definitely nice for your customer to know who's responsible for his request now. If your co-worker replies to the complete group too, you will be informed the message's been handled but you won't have to forward it any more. > Along different lines it would be nice to be able to redirect a > message to another recipient and have it retain the original reply > address. For example, someone sends me a request to do something I > no longer do, I currently have to forward that request to the > correct person who does the task, and replies saying it is done. Of > course, the reply comes to me instead of the original requestor. > Does this make sense? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 19:54:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16368; Mon, 7 Mar 94 19:54:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03222; Mon, 7 Mar 94 19:45:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from tigger.jvnc.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03216; Mon, 7 Mar 94 19:45:49 -0800 Received: from LATIF.COM (latif.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA12446 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:45:46 -0500 Received: by LATIF.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00855; Mon, 7 Mar 94 22:44:36 EST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: Yaakob Abdullah Subject: pop3 and imap - help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have several pop3 severs -- can pine access them as well as remote imap servers and how? Thank you in advance. Yaakob Abdullah From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 20:26:14 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16778; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:26:14 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16688; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16682; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:50 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07991; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 20:13:40 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pop3 and imap - help To: Yaakob Abdullah Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yaakob, No, Pine does not support POP. The same machine can serve as both a pop3 and imap server though. The UW IMAP distribution even includes a pop3 server that coexists quite well with imapd. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Yaakob Abdullah wrote: > We have several pop3 severs -- can pine access them as well as remote > imap servers and how? > > Thank you in advance. > > Yaakob Abdullah > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 7 20:28:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16829; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:28:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16680; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16674; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (NX5.67e/UW-NDC Revision: 2.27.MRC ) id AA01649; Mon, 7 Mar 94 20:13:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 20:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin Subject: re: pop3 and imap - help To: Yaakob Abdullah Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:44:35 -0500 (EST), Yaakob Abdullah wrote: > We have several pop3 severs -- can pine access them as well as remote > imap servers and how? Hello. At the present time, Pine can not access POP servers. It could be made to without too much difficulty, by writing a POP driver in the c-client engine used by Pine for mailbox access. However, there are serious questions as to how useful this would be. POP protocol is not very powerful, and a number of the operations that Pine does are unimplementable in POP. The most useful thing that POP could be used for is to download messages to a local file in PC-Pine. For daily server-based mailbox usage, however, POP would probably be intolerable. -- Mark -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 8 10:41:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01863; Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:41:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24080; Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:15:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24074; Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:15:34 -0800 Received: by crux2.cit.cornell.edu (5.65/2.0) id AA02550; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 13:14:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 13:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Pomputius Subject: Re: Beeping (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Michael Pomputius Subject: Re: Beeping I'm not sure... you might address the question to the "pine-info@cac.washington.edu" mailing list... -teg On Tue, 8 Mar 1994, Michael Pomputius wrote: > I notice if I suspend Pine (with ctrl-Z) and then try to bring it to the > background (with bg %1) or try to run it in the background (read &) it > still says Stopped and says tty output. I was hoping there was some way > I could put it in the background and do other stuff, and it would make a > beep while I'm doing other stuff alerting me that there's new mail. This > would be nice when I'm at home on my PC without any Xwindows. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 8 11:45:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03876; Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:45:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25033; Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:20:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25024; Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:20:14 -0800 Received: from redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24530; Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:20:10 -0800 Received: by redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx; Tue, 8 Mar 94 13:15:15 CST Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:39:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Isaias Callejas Mancilla." Subject: Re: sticky-bit? To: Mark Crother Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403042345.AA21244@eis.calstate.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Mar 1994 owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu wrote: > I was wondering if anyone in the world of PINE is using it with the > sticky bit set. I seem to have a huge number of users using PINE at > trhe same time, and unless PINE is build with demand paging and/or > shared text, setting the sticky bit should help me. > > Any comments on the sticky bit and/or the way PINE is made and if they > use demand paging and shared text would be appreciated. > > Thanks > -- > Mark Crother mark@ctp.org California Technology Project(CTP) > Sysadm (310)985-9631 California Online Resources for Education(CORE) > (800)272-8743(Calif only) Cal State Univ. --"I'm a hard CORE user!" > Hi Mark, I am working with sticky bit on PINE, it is functional... perhaps it is not the solution your problem of speed, but help... chmod 1755 /usr/bin/pine One comment, if you want to diminish the work of you system, I suggest you increase the seconds that PINE wait for read the /usr/spool/mail/$USER on ~/pine3.xx/pine/osdep/os-xxx.h : /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- Timeouts (seconds) ----*/ #define NEW_MAIL_TIME (60) /* How often to check for new mail. There's some expense in doing this so it shouldn't be done too frequently. */ /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- hope it help... /#### E. Isaias Callejas M. /# /######## Electronic Mail System Administration /## /########## Coordination of Computing Services ### /## ### Academic Computing, National University of Mexico ### ######### ### ================================================== ### ##/ ### University City, Mexico D.F. ##########/ ##/ E-mail : isma@redvax1.dgsca.unam.mx ########/ #/ Phone : (5)6 22 85 22 << MIME is Welcome!!! >> ####/ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 8 16:27:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12337; Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:27:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29393; Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:07:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from booster.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29387; Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:06:49 -0800 Received: by booster.u.washington.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03690; Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:06:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 16:06:45 -0800 From: alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu (Corey Lawson) Message-Id: <9403090006.AA03690@booster.u.washington.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Pine wish-list... Cc: bigham@u.washington.edu One thing I've noticed that annoys me... the behavior of TAB and moving through folders. The behavior of it now is that it stops at the last folder in the list. To go back, one must L to list folders and select a folder that way. Why not make it so that either you can SHIFT+TAB to move back through the folder list or so that TAB will wrap back to the first folder in the list? -Corey Lawson alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 10:42:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07033; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:42:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12146; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:20:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from acs7.acs.ucalgary.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12140; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:20:01 -0800 Received: from acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca by acs7.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42471; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:22:09 -0700 Received: from teale.acs.ucalgary.ca by acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31287; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:22:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:27:52 PST From: Deborah Teale Reply-To: Deborah Teale Subject: Ctrl-Z at end of file To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: teale@acs.ucalgary.ca X-Sender: teale@acs1.acs.ucalgary.ca Message-Id: . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Some of our users are gravitating to using pico on AIX system with 'another' mailer elm but I also notice this happens when selecting compose in pine. The last line of an imported file from in my example WordPerfect generated text file does not end in newline but a Ctrl-Z. Pico complains about a funny line at EOF but drops the last line. Using PINE3.87. Is this changed in later versions or are there plans to change pico's action? Deborah Teale teale@acs.ucalgary.ca University of Calgary From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 11:24:49 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08551; Wed, 9 Mar 94 11:24:49 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27592; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:51:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27586; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:51:26 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17308; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:51:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Ctrl-Z at end of file To: Deborah Teale Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, teale@acs.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: . Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Deborah, Ctrl-Z is the end-of-file character for DOS. This should get filtered out if you use a text-mode transfer rather than a binary transfer between DOS and Unix. Pine 3.89 also handles binary DOS files much better than Pine 3.87 did. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Deborah Teale wrote: > Some of our users are gravitating to using pico on AIX system with > 'another' mailer elm but I also notice this happens when selecting compose > in pine. The last line of an imported file from in my example > WordPerfect generated text file does not end in newline but a Ctrl-Z. > Pico complains about a funny line at EOF but drops the last line. Using > PINE3.87. Is this changed in later versions or are there plans to change > pico's action? > > Deborah Teale teale@acs.ucalgary.ca > University of Calgary > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 12:34:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10997; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:34:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14180; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:08:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14174; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:08:20 -0800 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:08:19 CST Received: by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA22756; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:08:05 CST Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:08:04 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: ISBN characters... To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I 've selected ISBN-8859-7 to be my character set in my .pinerc, which is suposed to be Greek, but I haven't noticed any difference... What is supposesd to happen? Thanx. Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 13:27:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12719; Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:27:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29807; Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:04:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29799; Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:04:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19591; Wed, 9 Mar 94 13:04:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: ISBN characters... To: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Cc: Pine Lista In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ippokraths, Don't you want ISO-8859-7? You also need a terminal that supports the ISO-8859-7 character set. Pine does not do any translations on either composed or recieved messages. It assumes that you have set your terminal to match what is specified in the character-set variable. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote: > > I 've selected ISBN-8859-7 to be my character set in my .pinerc, which is > suposed to be Greek, but I haven't noticed any difference... > > What is supposesd to happen? > > > Thanx. > > > Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 14:47:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14806; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:47:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00976; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:12:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00960; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:11:03 -0800 Received: from sand.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA02970 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:10:32 +0100 From: Roman Czyborra To: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: ISBN characters... In-Reply-To: by ikarakas@midway.uchicago.edu dated 1994-3-9 14:08:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:10:27 +0100 Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote: > I 've selected ISBN-8859-7 to be my character set in my .pinerc, > which is suposed to be Greek, but I haven't noticed any > difference... What is supposesd to happen? ISBN is the International Standard Book Number, you'll hardly want that. The name of your charset is ISO-8859-1, I guess it stands for International Standardization Organization. You should only select the Greek charset if you already have that alphabet on your keyboard and screen. Now if you send texts that contain non-ASCII letters they will be labeled ISO-8859-7 and encoded quoted-printable so they can be transmitted over ASCII wires and the right characters will be displayed on the receiving side. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 14:55:54 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15062; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:55:54 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01147; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:28:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01136; Wed, 9 Mar 94 14:28:12 -0800 Received: from sand.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA03245 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:27:42 +0100 From: Roman Czyborra To: Michael Pomputius Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Beeping (fwd) In-Reply-To: by jp17@crux2.cit.cornell.edu dated 1994-3-8 13:14:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:27:34 +0100 Michael Pomputius wrote: > I notice if I suspend Pine (with ctrl-Z) and then try to bring it to the > background (with bg %1) or try to run it in the background (read &) it > still says Stopped and says tty output. Pine is an interactive program. Why would you want to run it in the background? You can suspend it with ^Z and fg, but... > I was hoping there was some way I could put it in the background and > do other stuff, and it would make a beep while I'm doing other stuff > alerting me that there's new mail. This would be nice when I'm at > home on my PC without any Xwindows. Oh, I see. You get the fastest and least expensive notification with biff y. If biff is not an option, you can have your shell check for new mail every 60 seconds or so: csh: set mail = ( 60 /usr/spool/mail/jp17 ) sh: MAIL=/usr/spool/mail/jp17 MAILCHECK=60 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 15:21:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16116; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:21:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01602; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:01:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01561; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:00:17 -0800 Received: from sand.cs.tu-berlin.de by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4(mail.m4[1.12]) for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:59:54 +0100 From: Roman Czyborra To: Goran Svensson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: 8 bit characters, and pgp signing ? In-Reply-To: by goran@btj.se dated 1994-3-4 13:51:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 23:59:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Goran Svensson wrote: > 1) In out native language, we use some 8bit characters (=E5=E4=F6). > Entering them in a mail is no problem, but after I have sent the mai= l > the characters are translated. How do I get rid of this translation = ? You're supposed to be happy about it. > My mailers at the other end can handle 8bit characters, but not the > encoded characters. The mailer at the other end may well be 8bit-clean, but how about the servers that transport the message? Many of them tend to cripple your accents into something unrecognizable. The MIME specification allows for the translation between different encodings so ideally it's up to your transport software to recode to 8bit if it's confident. You and your correspondents should use procmail to decode your letters: : fbw ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*quoted-printable | mmencode -u -q : afhw | formail -I 'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit' > 2) How do I add a post-processing filter, which takes to *BODY* of the > mail after I have sent it and process it. (i.e. How do I add > automatic pgp signing of my messages ?) I don't know if the newest Pine has an option for specifying your own sendmail-program. The old version I still have here does not. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 16:23:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18949; Wed, 9 Mar 94 16:23:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02557; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:50:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from iris.phar.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02546; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:50:11 -0800 Received: from sun4.phar.umich.edu by phar.umich.edu (931110.SGI.ANONFTP/2.2) id AA14423; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:46:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 18:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Re: Beeping (fwd) To: Roman Czyborra Cc: Michael Pomputius , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Roman Czyborra wrote: > Michael Pomputius wrote: > > > I was hoping there was some way I could put it in the background and > > do other stuff, and it would make a beep while I'm doing other stuff > > alerting me that there's new mail. This would be nice when I'm at > > home on my PC without any Xwindows. > > Oh, I see. You get the fastest and least expensive notification with > biff y. If biff is not an option, you can have your shell check for > new mail every 60 seconds or so: > > csh: set mail = ( 60 /usr/spool/mail/jp17 ) > sh: MAIL=/usr/spool/mail/jp17 MAILCHECK=60 This will of course only works if he's logged into the mail server or if his mail spool directory is NFS mounted. Any methods currently available for clients? I've had a user ask about this too. I personally just leave pine running at all times, but different strokes for different folks. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | | Systems Administrator | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | University of Michigan University of Michigan | | College of Pharmacy Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 Ann Arbor MI 48109 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu Pager: (313) 617-8793 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 17:48:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21116; Wed, 9 Mar 94 17:48:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04335; Wed, 9 Mar 94 17:21:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04329; Wed, 9 Mar 94 17:21:02 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA24783; Wed, 9 Mar 94 17:27:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Save mail in a folder To: Pine Info Group Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Pine Expert: How do I save message to a folder which is not in my home directory? Here is what I need to do : When I receive a message, I need to save it to a directory called /local/gopher-data/bbs <== a data used by gopher server and I have all the access to it. My mail directory is /users/deng/mail. Of course the simple way I am doing now is to copy the file to the bbs directory. But I want to set it up for somebody who doesn't have any system knowledge to do the job by simply saving the message to the right place and delete the old message in the folder. Thank you very much in advance. Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 18:42:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21853; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:42:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20184; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:18:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shark.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20178; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:18:04 -0800 Received: by shark.mel.dit.csiro.au id AA17894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/DIT-1.3 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 12:18:14 +1000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 12:18:13 +1000 (EST) From: Simon McClenahan Reply-To: Simon McClenahan Subject: Re: Beeping To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > Michael Pomputius wrote: > > > > > I was hoping there was some way I could put it in the background and > > > do other stuff, and it would make a beep while I'm doing other stuff > > > alerting me that there's new mail. This would be nice when I'm at > > > home on my PC without any Xwindows. Use a program called screen, available from the GNU archives. You will be able to have multiple "windows" or screens from your tty when you're at home. I don't know if I can ever survive without it. I do a slightly tricky thing myself. I run screen within screen. This means that when I'm at work or anywhere using an xterm or whatever, I use my special email screen which has pine running in it. Then when I'm at home or anywhere else, I run screen (naturally), and in one of those screens I grab my mail session... Then when pine beeps at you from another window, screen will tell you that there is a beep in another window (which you would probably recognise as your email/pine window) NAME screen - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation SYNOPSIS screen [ -options ] [ cmd [ args ] ] screen -r [ [pid.]tty[.host] ] DESCRIPTION Screen is a full-screen window manager that multiplexes a physical terminal between several processes (typically interactive shells). Each virtual terminal provides the functions of a DEC VT100 terminal and, in addition, several control functions from the ANSI X3.64 (ISO 6429) and ISO 2022 standards (e.g. insert/delete line and support for mul- tiple character sets). There is a scrollback history buffer for each virtual terminal and a copy-and-paste mechanism that allows moving text regions between windows. The simple answer is, get screen (or iscreen I think it is sometimes called) from your favourite GNU software archive. It really is the best thing since sliced bread. cheers, Simon.McClenahan@mel.dit.csiro.au \CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group CSIRO Division of Information Technology\ tel: +61 3 282 2623 723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \ fax: +61 3 282 2600 REVELATION: Top scientist discovers New Jersey on Karnaugh map! From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 9 18:43:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21880; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:43:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20160; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:15:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20154; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:15:38 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17684; Wed, 9 Mar 94 18:15:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 18:15:31 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Save mail in a folder To: Sharon Deng Cc: Pine Info Group In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sharon, Just give the full pathname when the save command asks for the folder name. Alternatively, you can put a symbolic link in your mail directory. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, Sharon Deng wrote: > Hi, Pine Expert: > > How do I save message to a folder which is not in my home directory? > > Here is what I need to do : > When I receive a message, I need to save it to a directory called > /local/gopher-data/bbs <== a data used by gopher server and I have > all the access to it. > My mail directory is /users/deng/mail. > > Of course the simple way I am doing now is to copy the file to the bbs > directory. But I want to set it up for somebody who doesn't have any > system knowledge to do the job by simply saving the message to the > right place and delete the old message in the folder. Thank you very > much in advance. > > > Sharon Deng > Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu > Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu > University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 07:23:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01275; Thu, 10 Mar 94 07:23:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25943; Thu, 10 Mar 94 06:48:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gate.ggr.co.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25936; Thu, 10 Mar 94 06:48:31 -0800 Received: from mailhub.ggr.co.uk by gate.ggr.co.uk; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 14:47:14 GMT Received: from uk0x04 by mailhub.ggr.co.uk; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 14:44:37 GMT Received: from localhost by uk0x04 (8.6.4/imd160294) id OAA07075; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 14:46:31 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 14:46:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Dunkin Reply-To: Ian Dunkin Subject: Enhancement suggestion: Fcc to allow TAB completion? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Just a trivial one: The Save message command, prompting you for the folder name, allows TAB as an option to `complete' the name of an incompletely typed but unique folder. Wouldn't it be nice if the Fcc: prompt in Rich Header mode could (use the same code and) work the same way? Just an idle thought.. I. -- Ian Dunkin -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 08:29:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03432; Thu, 10 Mar 94 08:29:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26757; Thu, 10 Mar 94 08:01:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26750; Thu, 10 Mar 94 08:01:28 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18505; Thu, 10 Mar 94 08:01:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 08:01:14 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Enhancement suggestion: Fcc to allow TAB completion? To: Ian Dunkin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yup; same for ^R file inclusion... (Both are coming) -teg On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Ian Dunkin wrote: > > Just a trivial one: The Save message command, prompting you for the > folder name, allows TAB as an option to `complete' the name of an > incompletely typed but unique folder. Wouldn't it be nice if the Fcc: > prompt in Rich Header mode could (use the same code and) work the same > way? Just an idle thought.. > > I. > > -- > Ian Dunkin > -- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 10:18:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06970; Thu, 10 Mar 94 10:18:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13251; Thu, 10 Mar 94 09:55:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from julia.math.ucla.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13245; Thu, 10 Mar 94 09:55:49 -0800 Received: from helios.pic.ucla.edu by julia.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.09) id AA19147; Thu, 10 Mar 94 09:57:17 PST Return-Path: Received: by helios.pic.ucla.edu (Sendmail 4.1/1.09) id AA28059; Thu, 10 Mar 94 09:57:17 PST Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 09:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ami Fischman Subject: Saving outgoing messages To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to tell pine to save messages that I send by the addressee? As in, I want all mail going to foobar1 to be saved in fb1, all mail I send to root and bugs to be saved in admin, etc..? Is this on the wish-list? --Ami Have YOU hugged your smurf today?? From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 13:53:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14162; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:53:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02574; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:28:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ciao.trail.bc.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02568; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:28:13 -0800 Received: by CIAO (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12526; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:30:05 PST Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Showers Subject: Posting to Newsgroups To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can Pine be used to post "approved" postings to a newsgroup? Michael Showers | 2079-Columbia Ave. Computer Systems Manager | Trail, British Columbia School District No. 11 (Trail) | CANADA V1R-1K7 mshowers@CIAO.trail.bc.ca | voice: (604) 368-2234 -- A.K.A. The Technical Connection for the CIAO! Free-Net -- /\ /\ /\ / \^^^/\/ /^^^^\ ^^^^^^ It's great in the Kootenays. ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 20:45:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23253; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:45:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22054; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:23:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22048; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:23:51 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21543; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:23:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:23:49 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Saving outgoing messages To: Ami Fischman Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ami, This is definitely on the wish list! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Ami Fischman wrote: > Is there any way to tell pine to save messages that I send by the > addressee? As in, I want all mail going to foobar1 to be saved in fb1, > all mail I send to root and bugs to be saved in admin, etc..? > > Is this on the wish-list? > > --Ami > Have YOU hugged your smurf today?? > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 20:49:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23315; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:49:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07953; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:29:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07947; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:29:22 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22416; Thu, 10 Mar 94 20:28:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Posting to Newsgroups To: Michael Showers Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Michael, Not yet. We areworking on a way to make this available though. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 10 Mar 1994, Michael Showers wrote: > > Can Pine be used to post "approved" postings to a newsgroup? > > > Michael Showers | 2079-Columbia Ave. > Computer Systems Manager | Trail, British Columbia > School District No. 11 (Trail) | CANADA V1R-1K7 > mshowers@CIAO.trail.bc.ca | voice: (604) 368-2234 > > -- A.K.A. The Technical Connection for the CIAO! Free-Net -- > > /\ /\ /\ > / \^^^/\/ /^^^^\ > ^^^^^^ It's great in the Kootenays. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 10 23:19:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25159; Thu, 10 Mar 94 23:19:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09114; Thu, 10 Mar 94 22:50:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from noknic.nokia.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09108; Thu, 10 Mar 94 22:50:25 -0800 Received: from tnds05.tele.nokia.fi by nokia.com (4.1/KM201293) id AA00362; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:50:07 +0200 Received: by tnds05.tele.nokia.fi (5.57/SMI-3.2) id AA18915; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:53:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 08:50:06 +0200 (EET) From: Hannu Martikka Subject: rimap with different usernames? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! When pine is using rimap it simply does rsh hostname /etc/rimapd, right? Is it somehow possible to use different username? I mean something like this: rsh -l diffuname hostname /etc/rimapd If not, please add this feature... incoming-folders=Other_INBOX {diffuname@foo.fo.f}INBOX - Goodi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 11 08:47:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03504; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:47:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13482; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:13:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13476; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:13:16 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27054; Fri, 11 Mar 94 08:12:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 08:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: rimap with different usernames? To: Hannu Martikka Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hannu, We are looking into this problem. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, Hannu Martikka wrote: > Hi! > > When pine is using rimap it simply does rsh hostname /etc/rimapd, right? > Is it somehow possible to use different username? I mean something like this: > rsh -l diffuname hostname /etc/rimapd > If not, please add this feature... > > incoming-folders=Other_INBOX {diffuname@foo.fo.f}INBOX > > - Goodi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 11 13:47:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13507; Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:47:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18694; Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:22:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18688; Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:22:14 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08608; Fri, 11 Mar 94 13:22:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:22:05 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine wish-list... To: Corey Lawson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, bigham@u.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403090006.AA03690@booster.u.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Corey, This problem is on the list for consideration. SHIFT+TAB won't work because there is no consistent definition for it across different keyboards. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 8 Mar 1994, Corey Lawson wrote: > One thing I've noticed that annoys me... > the behavior of TAB and moving through folders. The behavior of it now is that > it stops at the last folder in the list. To go back, one must L to list > folders and select a folder that way. Why not make it so that either > you can SHIFT+TAB to move back through the folder list or so that TAB will > wrap back to the first folder in the list? > > -Corey Lawson > alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 13:32:45 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06720; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:32:45 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23086; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:08:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23074; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:08:31 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01605; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:08:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:08:09 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problem with PC-PINE and SLIP To: Jost Krieger Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199402091453.PAA23190@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jost, Sorry about the very late reply! PC-Pine works with some SLIP packet drivers and not others. Which packet driver(s) have you tried and what were the symptoms? Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 9 Feb 1994, Jost Krieger wrote: > We have the following problem: > > Across SLIP (with the packet driver implementation) > PC-PINE 3.89 seems not to work. > > Is this known or intended ? > > Thank you > Jost Krieger > > -- > Jost Krieger, Rechenzentrum der Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum > Jost.Krieger@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de > g=Jost;s=Krieger;ou=ruba;ou=rz;pd=ruhr-uni-bochum;ad=dbp;c=de From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 13:48:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07188; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:48:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06514; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:31:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06508; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:31:57 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06658; Mon, 14 Mar 94 13:31:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: text/enriched To: Chris Garrigues Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, Sorry about the delayed response, we have been swamped. The next version of Pine will support text/enriched via "mailcap" support, and hopefully we will get built-in support done as well. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 14 Feb 1994, Chris Garrigues wrote: > According to the FAQ, text/enriched supersedes text/richtext, but pine > only appears to support text/richtext while exmh is generating > text/enriched. Can I assume that the next patch to pine will include > the support of text/enriched to the same limited extent that > text/richtext is currently supported? > > Chris > > > Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com > Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 > 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 > Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 14:45:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09054; Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:45:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07428; Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:28:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@mail.trincoll.edu:peter.sobering@mail.trincoll.edu> Received: from mail.cc.trincoll.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07422; Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:28:35 -0800 Received: from [157.252.34.14] (soberingmac.pc.trincoll.edu) by mail.trincoll.edu (5.0/14-main-dsc) id AA04922 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:28:44 EST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:28:44 EST Message-Id: <9403142228.AA04922@mail.trincoll.edu> X-Sender: peter@mail.trincoll.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Al Burfeind (by way of Peter Sobering) Subject: pine's bark Content-Length: 813 I've been innocently storing my read messages in "c:\pinemail\holding.mtx" since I started using PINE. Although I knew the file was getting large, there were no signs of trouble until recently when PINE started telling me it couldn't parse the headers. I split the file into two separate files (keeping them ASCII, of course), and still got the same messages. When I began to search the files using WordPerfect, I found that apparently there were no messages added to the file after January 19, when a big batch of them went in. My memory is vague, but I believe I did go into this file using PINE and read some stuff that came in during February. But I'm not sure. Is there a known limit to the size of an .mtx file that pine can read? I thought pine trees didn't shed their leaves... Al B. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 15:05:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09719; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:05:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24675; Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:51:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from neon.nlc.state.ne.us by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24669; Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:51:53 -0800 Received: from neon.nlc.state.ne.us by neon.nlc.state.ne.us; Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:53 CST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:51:36 CDT From: Vern Buis Subject: Unable to parse internal header line components To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: vbuis@[164.119.101.1] Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 603 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In PC Pine, I get the above error message when attempting to open certain folders. Some folders are ok and others not (all are local--on my pc hard drive). I don't see anything "funny" in the mail headers when viewing the file from a text editor. What might be the cause? Thanks. Vern Buis Internet: vbuis@neon.nlc.state.ne.us Computer Services Director CompuServe: 76666,103 Nebraska Library Commission Nebraska Online: Vern Buis 1200 "N" Street, The Atrium PROFS: NLCVERN Lincoln, NE 68508 Subspace Channel: UFP:VBX From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 15:23:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10315; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:23:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07982; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:07:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07976; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:07:30 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05891; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:07:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine's bark To: Al Burfeind Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403142228.AA04922@mail.trincoll.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Al, There is no explicit limit on the size of a folder, but it is always possible that you could run out of memory in PC-Pine. How did you split the folder? You have to be *extremely* careful when editing an MTX format folder! Pine depends very much on the length of each message staying the same. Some editors will silently remove trailing whitespace from lines, convert tabs to spaces, etc, which will break an MTX folder every time :( Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 14 Mar 1994, Al Burfeind wrote: > I've been innocently storing my read messages in > "c:\pinemail\holding.mtx" since I started using PINE. Although I knew > the file was getting large, there were no signs of trouble until recently > when PINE started telling me it couldn't parse the headers. > > I split the file into two separate files (keeping them ASCII, of course), > and still got the same messages. When I began to search the files using > WordPerfect, I found that apparently there were no messages added to the > file after January 19, when a big batch of them went in. > > My memory is vague, but I believe I did go into this file using PINE and > read some stuff that came in during February. But I'm not sure. > > Is there a known limit to the size of an .mtx file that pine can read? I > thought pine trees didn't shed their leaves... > > Al B. > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 15:33:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10535; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:33:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25123; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:18:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25117; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:18:37 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06118; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:18:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:18:31 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Unable to parse internal header line components To: Vern Buis Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Vern, This error is caused by a problem with the MTX internal header for a message which looks something like: 22-Feb-1994 08:42:51 -0800,755;000000000031 Specifically, Pine could was looking for the ',' and ';'. Note that the MTX format is very sensitive to the length of each message (in bytes) remaining unchanged once it has been written. This length is the number between the ',' and ';'. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 14 Mar 1994, Vern Buis wrote: > In PC Pine, I get the above error message when attempting to open certain > folders. Some folders are ok and others not (all are local--on my pc hard > drive). I don't see anything "funny" in the mail headers when viewing the > file from a text editor. What might be the cause? Thanks. > > Vern Buis Internet: vbuis@neon.nlc.state.ne.us > Computer Services Director CompuServe: 76666,103 > Nebraska Library Commission Nebraska Online: Vern Buis > 1200 "N" Street, The Atrium PROFS: NLCVERN > Lincoln, NE 68508 Subspace Channel: UFP:VBX > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 14 16:16:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12083; Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:16:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25755; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:57:42 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25749; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:57:41 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06994; Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:57:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: PINE & OS/2 To: Barry Landy Cc: Pine Info List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Barry, I don't think we have any short term plans for OS/2 support...... Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > I assume this is a wishlist item, but if not, please let me know! > > I would like to run PINE under OS/2; plainly an OS/2 workplace shell PINE > requires work, so I would expect to run it in a DOS box. However, so far > as I can find out, PINE does not work with the available TCPIP > implementations. (we have tried IBM's TCPIP for OS/2, and LWP) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 > Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 > University of Cambridge Computing Service > New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk > Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 06:31:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23231; Tue, 15 Mar 94 06:31:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15574; Tue, 15 Mar 94 05:58:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15568; Tue, 15 Mar 94 05:58:42 -0800 Via: uk.ac.stirling; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 12:55:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 12:55:16 +0100 (BST) From: Mr Brian M Bullen Subject: Re: Pine wish-list...arrow keys for select/back to previous To: Corey Lawson Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, bigham@u.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403090006.AA03690@booster.u.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > One thing I've noticed that annoys me... > the behavior of TAB and moving through folders. The behavior of it now is that > it stops at the last folder in the list. To go back, one must L to list > folders and select a folder that way. Why not make it so that either > you can SHIFT+TAB to move back through the folder list or so that TAB will > wrap back to the first folder in the list? This sounds sensible - but I have an alternative. Though I like the multi item per line display of folder names (since I have loads of folders) I think it confuses the interface (and anyway I should be using hierarchical folders to impose order on my mailboxes). Where there is a list of items to choose from, would it not be more consistent to have a vertical list, with the DOWN_ARROW and UP_ARROW keys to move down and up the list (with wrap around at top and bottom). One could then add RIGHT and LEFT arrow (as in the unix character WWW lynx command, and in usenet news TIN), i.e. RIGHT_ARROW - activate current select on a list LEFT_ARROW - back to previous menu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 07:32:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24079; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:32:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16101; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:06:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gateway.welch.jhu.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16095; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:06:41 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu by welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA00356; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:03:19 EST Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07961; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:01:10 EST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher Subject: Re: Pine wish-list... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 877 I have several filters setup to go to other folders (this being one of them) and I was thinking that if a TAB will take me to the next folder, why not have backTAB take me to the previous one ? ___ __ ___ _ .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ ---- "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." (Samuel Adams) ---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 08:06:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24708; Tue, 15 Mar 94 08:06:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16361; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:34:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turtle.mcc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16355; Tue, 15 Mar 94 07:34:47 -0800 Received: from avarice.mcc.com by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA19182; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:34:45 CST Received: by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA01117; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:34:43 CST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 09:34:42 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Garrigues Reply-To: Chris Garrigues Subject: Re: Re: Who needs more speed? (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII When I reply to the following message with Pine, It inserts "> " before the "In artictle" line, but not before the rest of his message. Is it the "Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary" that causes this? If it's going to change any lines, I'd expect it to change all lines. I'm confused. Chris Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from turtle.mcc.com by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA00903; Tue, 15 Mar 94 02:23:41 CST Received: from coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA16244; Tue, 15 Mar 94 02:23:36 CST Received: from [134.96.68.83] (mp-mac10.coli.uni-sb.de [134.96.68.83]) by coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA12775 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 09:16:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199403150816.JAA12775@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de> X-Sender: espen@coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 09:18:44 +0100 To: cwg@avarice.mcc.com (Chris Garrigues) From: Espen Vestre Subject: Re: Re: Who needs more speed? In article , you write: > So . . . obviously, my conclusion is that all software development > should be done on a Mac Plus over local talk. :-) A good example is Macintosh Common Lisp which was born at a time where a MacPlus was the hottest machine you could get. The current version still doesn't need more than 2.5MB RAM to run (on the previous (1991) version you could even still do development with 2.5MB RAM -- I developed a couple of small (but power-consuming) programs on a 2.5/20 Mac SE), whereas a typical unix lisp implementation needs at least 10MB. MCL is just as fast as the unix lisps and has a better development environment. Unfortunately, Apple doesn't quite seem to know this themselves, and have recently come with non-assuring statements about a PowerPC version of MCL. ________________________________________________________________________ Espen J. Vestre, espen@coli.uni-sb.de Universitdt des Saarlandes, Computerlinguistik, Gebdude 17.2 Postfach 1150, tel. +49 (681) 302 4501 D-66041 SAARBR\CKEN, Germany fax. +49 (681) 302 4351 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 09:35:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28172; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:35:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17697; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:06:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turtle.mcc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17691; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:06:11 -0800 Received: from avarice.mcc.com by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA20256; Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:05:47 CST Received: by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA01216; Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:05:42 CST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:05:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Garrigues Subject: Re: Pine wish-list...arrow keys for select/back to previous To: Mr Brian M Bullen Cc: Corey Lawson , pine-info@cac.washington.edu, bigham@u.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, Mr Brian M Bullen wrote: > > One thing I've noticed that annoys me... > > the behavior of TAB and moving through folders. The behavior of it now is that > > it stops at the last folder in the list. To go back, one must L to list > > folders and select a folder that way. Why not make it so that either > > you can SHIFT+TAB to move back through the folder list or so that TAB will > > wrap back to the first folder in the list? > > This sounds sensible - but I have an alternative. > Though I like the multi item per line display of folder names (since > I have loads of folders) I think it confuses the interface (and > anyway I should be using hierarchical folders to impose order on my > mailboxes). > > Where there is a list of items to choose from, would it not be more > consistent to have a vertical list, with the DOWN_ARROW and UP_ARROW keys > to move down and up the list (with wrap around at top and bottom). > > One could then add RIGHT and LEFT arrow > (as in the unix character WWW lynx command, and in usenet news TIN), i.e. > > RIGHT_ARROW - activate current select on a list > LEFT_ARROW - back to previous menu Funny, the arrow keys do this for me already. But, on the TAB front, when I'm reading mail, I have my messages sorted by the Date header rather than by the time received. This means that often new messages come in which are above my current position, so TABbing doesn't bring me to the new message. It would be nice if TAB were to wrap. I'd also like a keystroke which would "delete and skip to next unread message". Chris Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 09:44:00 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28329; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:44:00 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17887; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:14:56 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17881; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:14:54 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16976; Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:14:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 09:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Pine wish-list... To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Keith, Not all keyboards (e.g. my X-term) have a backTAB key! It would be nice to use, but unless pretty much everyone has the key, we can't use it :( Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > > I have several filters setup to go to other folders (this being one of > them) and I was thinking that if a TAB will take me to the next folder, > why not have backTAB take me to the previous one ? > > > > ___ __ ___ _ > .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ > | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ > | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ > `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ > > ---- > > "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude > greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in > peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick > the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our > countrymen." > (Samuel Adams) > ---- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 10:30:39 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29666; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:30:39 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18678; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:07:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hydra.unm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18672; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:07:41 -0800 Received: by hydra.unm.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0pgdWl-0009bbC; Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:07 MST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:07:39 -0700 (MST) From: Betty Sparks CIRT-IRC Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: Betty Sparks CIRT-IRC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe Betty Sparks From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 10:53:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00547; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:53:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19088; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:35:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19082; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:35:15 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26173; Tue, 15 Mar 94 10:35:13 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 15 Mar 94 19:33:51+0100 Date: 15 Mar 94 19:33:51+0100 From: Betty Sparks CIRT-IRC Message-Id: <613861*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Info List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 17:20:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12654; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:20:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12815; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:04:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12805; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:04:33 -0800 Received: by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07026 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:04:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:03:58 -0600 (CST) From: Leah Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unsubscribe Leah J. Dicker From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 17:21:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12718; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:21:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12718; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:02:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from UCS.ORST.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12712; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:02:46 -0800 Received: by ucs.orst.edu (5.57/fma-120691); id AA09612; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: <9403160102.AA09612@ucs.orst.edu> Subject: Pc-Pine and Slip To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:02:43 -0800 From: irwink@ucs.orst.edu X-Mts: smtp Does Pc-Pine and SLIP work together? How? Even though telnet works, pine doesn't, even when it's using the same config.tel file. What gives? Does it have something to do with the ip address? Pine hangs when I used the BOOTP thing, and can't find an inbox when I comment that line out. --Keith From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 17:38:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13164; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:38:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25021; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:22:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25015; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:22:47 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01185; Tue, 15 Mar 94 17:22:45 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 16 Mar 94 02:21:54+0100 Date: 16 Mar 94 02:21:54+0100 From: Leah Message-Id: <614257*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Info List From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 19:22:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14756; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:22:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25953; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:11:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25947; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:11:20 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA19888; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:11:09 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA26051; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:11:47 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:11:46 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Script needed... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Does anyone have a script to convert elm aliases into pine aliases? Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 22:10:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16475; Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:10:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27148; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:57:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27142; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:57:38 -0800 Received: from ts1_slip2.kn.PacBell.COM by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.2/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03478; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:57:36 -0800 Received: by jagware.bcc.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:56 PST Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: "J.J.Bailey" Subject: cso nameserver support To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? Does anyone want it besides me? -Jack J.J.Bailey Consultant jjb@jagware.bcc.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 23:10:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17185; Tue, 15 Mar 94 23:10:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27629; Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:59:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from weber.ucsd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27623; Tue, 15 Mar 94 22:59:16 -0800 Received: from weber.ucsd.edu (corrigan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA16198; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:59:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199403160659.WAA16198@weber.ucsd.edu> To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Script needed... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:11:46 +0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-Id: <16184.763801122.0@weber.ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:59:11 -0800 From: "Michael J. Corrigan" ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16184.763801122.1@weber.ucsd.edu> > Hello, > > Does anyone have a script to convert elm aliases into pine > aliases? > > Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan > Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 > FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C > For simple cases: ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa1" Content-ID: <16184.763801122.2@weber.ucsd.edu> ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16184.763801122.3@weber.ucsd.edu> #!/bin/sh # # A filter to convert personal mail aliases in a ~/.elm/aliases.text file into # pine address book format. Modelled after brk2pine.sh # # Usage: elm2pine # # if [ ! -r $HOME/.elm/aliases.text ] then echo "You have no elm aliases to convert. Nothing needs to be done." exit fi if [ -f $HOME/.addressbook ] then echo "Converting aliases from elm to existing .addressbook" sed 's/[ ]*=[ ]*/ /g' ${*-$HOME/.elm/aliases.text} >> .addressbook else echo "Creating .addressbook and converting elm aliases" sed 's/[ ]*=[ ]*/ /g' ${*-$HOME/.elm/aliases.text} > .addressbook fi echo "Done. Your elm aliases are now also pine aliases." ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa1-- ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 15 23:54:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17807; Tue, 15 Mar 94 23:54:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28032; Tue, 15 Mar 94 23:41:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28026; Tue, 15 Mar 94 23:41:04 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA20595; Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:40:28 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA27998; Wed, 16 Mar 94 15:19:57 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:19:56 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: cso nameserver support To: "J.J.Bailey" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, J.J.Bailey wrote: > Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? > Does anyone want it besides me? I would want to have it.... Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 06:30:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25163; Wed, 16 Mar 94 06:30:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03058; Wed, 16 Mar 94 06:10:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mercury.unt.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03049; Wed, 16 Mar 94 06:09:58 -0800 Received: from sol.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA03317 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:09:54 -0600 Received: from localhost (thacker@localhost) by sol.acs.unt.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id IAA25054; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:09:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:09:48 -0600 (CST) From: Thacker Mark Douglas Subject: Re: cso nameserver support To: "J.J.Bailey" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, J.J.Bailey wrote: > Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? > Does anyone want it besides me? > > -Jack > At our campus, we are planning on using Pine's native address book format and simply exporting CSO data to it. However, I WOULD LOVE CSO SUPPORT IN PINE!!! That would make my life so much easier. I realize that CSO isn't cut out to be a 'browse' like utility such as address books (i.e., you have to actually search for something to use CSO), but it would be great if Pine (PC-Pine included, hint, hint) had the ability to either call an external CSO program, or do a simply CSO formatted query itself. For a good implementation of this, see the UNIX Gopher client from UMN. > J.J.Bailey > Consultant > jjb@jagware.bcc.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 07:24:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26130; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:24:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19938; Wed, 16 Mar 94 06:54:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ariel.msci.memst.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19932; Wed, 16 Mar 94 06:53:59 -0800 Received: from mathsci.msci.memst.edu by ariel with SMTP id AA12484 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:53:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199403161453.AA12484@ariel> Received: from MATHSCI/MAILQUEUE by mathsci.msci.memst.edu (Mercury 1.1); Wed, 16 Mar 94 8:53:58 -0600 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: "Tom Barton" Organization: Mathematical Sciences Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:53:30 CDT Subject: Re: cso nameserver support Reply-To: t-barton@memst.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) > I WOULD LOVE CSO SUPPORT IN PINE!!! "Me too!" Tom Tom Barton Director of Network Services Memphis State University Memphis TN 38152 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 07:45:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26835; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:45:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08465; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:17:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from utsw.swmed.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08445; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:17:41 -0800 Received: from iliad.swmed.edu by UTSW.SWMED.EDU (PMDF V4.2-14 #3937) id <01HA19FSAZ409EMNYB@UTSW.SWMED.EDU>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:18:03 CDT Received: by iliad.swmed.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for @utsw.swmed.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA08325; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:25:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:24:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Daniel P. Joy" Subject: l after pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have aliased l to be ls -CF. Sometimes when I exit pine I get a directory listing in the format of ls -CF. The history command does not show a ls. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Joy Systems Manager Internet: joy@howie.swmed.edu Howard Hughes Medical Institute BITNET: joy@utsw UT Southwestern Medical School Phone: (214) 648-5034 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 08:13:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27861; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:13:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20698; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:42:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20692; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:42:33 -0800 Received: by mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca id AA20593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:43:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:43:01 -0500 (EST) From: Muriel McKay Subject: Re: cso nameserver support Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199403161453.AA12484@ariel> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Tom Barton wrote: > > I WOULD LOVE CSO SUPPORT IN PINE!!! > Us to - Muriel McKay , on behalf of @7000 happy PINE users at McMaster University . =============================================================================== Muriel McKay, Analyst, Desktop Computing Support. CIS. JHE122 Phone 905-525-9140 ext. 23630 McMaster University , Hamilton , Ontario, Canada From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 08:15:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27947; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:15:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10011; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:41:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from medusa.unm.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10003; Wed, 16 Mar 94 07:41:06 -0800 Received: from MEDUSA.UNM.EDU by MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (PMDF V4.2-14 #5028) id <01HA17OPAPV4003KJ6@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:43:37 MDT Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:36:32 -0600 (MDT) From: "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Subject: Re: Script needed... In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:11:46 +0800 (TPE)" To: Ed Greshko Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, "Stephen F. Day [Med Ctr Comp Svcs]" Message-Id: <01HA189213OS003KJ6@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID HGasVNJXAUNXqQ3Zdy5t8Q)" --Boundary (ID HGasVNJXAUNXqQ3Zdy5t8Q) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Return-path: Return-path: egreshko@cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (PMDF V4.2-14 #5028) id <01HA0J821TO0003I8V@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU>; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 20:47:23 MDT Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25953; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:11:23 -0800 Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25947; Tue, 15 Mar 94 19:11:20 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA19888; Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:11:09 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA26051; Wed, 16 Mar 94 11:11:47 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:11:46 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Script needed... Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Errors-to: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello, Does anyone have a script to convert elm aliases into pine aliases? Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C --Boundary (ID HGasVNJXAUNXqQ3Zdy5t8Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII #! /usr/local/gnu/bin/perl # --------------------------------------------------------------------- # # File: e2p_addr.pl # Title: Converts elm aliases.text to pine's .addressbook # # Use: perl e2p_addr.pl # -or- # e2p_addr.pl # # Created: 9-OCT-1992, Stephen F. Day # Updated: 12-OCT-1992, SDAY -- added write_distrib_lines and # remove_CIRT_Unix_host subroutines # 12-OCT-1992, SDAY -- bug fixes and finishing comments # # Purpose: Converts the file ~/.elm/aliases.text to pine's .addressbook. # If .addressbook already exists, then the new addresses are # appended to it. # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # location of elm and pine alias files $elm_addr = $ENV{'HOME'}.'/.elm/aliases.text'; $pine_addr = $ENV{'HOME'}.'/.addressbook'; # flag for continuation of distribution lists $cont = 0; open (ELMADDR, "< $elm_addr") || die "Couldn't find $elm_addr: $!\n"; open (PINEADDR, ">> $pine_addr") || die "Couldn't open $pine_addr: $!\n"; while ($line = ) { chop $line; # remove \n at end of line # check to see if line defines an alias (it will has a '=' if it does) if ($line =~ /=/) { ($nicknames, $description, $email_addr) = split(/=/, $line); &strip_white_ends(*description); # if multiple aliases, make 2nd..nth ones point to the first alias @nicknames = split(',',$nicknames); $first_alias = shift(@nicknames); foreach $alias (@nicknames) { &strip_white_ends(*alias); print PINEADDR "$alias\t$description\t$first_alias\n"; } print PINEADDR "$first_alias\t$description\t"; # a comma indicates alias is a distribution list if ($email_addr =~ /,/) { print PINEADDR "(\n"; &write_distrib_line(*email_addr); # no comma means not a distribution list -- just write e-mail address } else { &strip_white_ends(*email_addr); &remove_CIRT_Unix_host(*email_addr); print PINEADDR "$email_addr\n"; } # no '=' means that this line is a continuation of the previous one } else { &write_distrib_line(*line); } } # close the files being read and written to close ELMADDR; close PINEADDR; # subroutine that strips leading/trailing whitespace sub strip_white_ends { local(*somestring) = @_; $somestring =~ s/^[ \t\r\n]+//; $somestring =~ s/[ \t\r\n]+$//; } # subroutine that writes e-mail address for distribution lists sub write_distrib_line { local(*dist_addr) = @_; # a trailing comma means this list will be continued on next line if ($dist_addr =~ /,[ \t\n\r]*$/) { $cont = 1; } else { $cont = 0; } # write each e-mail address on a separate line (just for clarity) @dist_addr = split(',',$dist_addr); foreach $addr (@dist_addr) { &strip_white_ends(*addr); print PINEADDR " $addr,\n"; } # if last line of distribution list, write closing parenthesis print PINEADDR " )\n" if (!$cont); } --Boundary (ID HGasVNJXAUNXqQ3Zdy5t8Q)-- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 09:18:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00554; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:18:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21948; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:43:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21936; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:43:46 -0800 Received: by poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it (5.65/1.34) id AA20358; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:40 +0100 Organization: Istituto di Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:38 +0100 (MET) From: Lucio Chiappetti Reply-To: Lucio Chiappetti Subject: pine with Sun's xterm To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I have been using for a long time Pine on my DECstation. We are now starting to use Pine (3.89) as mail agent in our institute, both on DECs and on Suns (we are running OpenWindows 3 under SunOS 4.1.3). We have an arrangement by which workstation users (as opposed to terminal users) invoke a command which opens an additional window in which pine runs. When the user exits pine, the window disappears. This is essentially an xterm -e pine (or dxterm -e pine). Now, what is happening on our Suns using the /usr/openwin/bin/xterm bundled with OpenWindows, is that a "core" file is left around after pine exits. This does not occur with DEC's xterm nor with dxterm. Apparently, if we insert a "sleep" command, creating a script like pine sleep 1 and invoke such script as xterm -e script there is no core dump. However this is not a very elegant solution. What is the reason of the core dump (who is dumping core ? pine or Sun's xterm ?) ? Are there any more elegant solution that a sleepy wrapper script ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 09:21:01 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00677; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:21:01 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22140; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:53:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22134; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:53:39 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02894; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:52:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:52:19 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: cso nameserver support To: "J.J.Bailey" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jack, Gee, you started a bit of a groundswell ;) One of the big items on our agenda is adding support for the IMSP protocol and big part of it is support for server-based addressbooks. The current proposed API definitions call for a driver-based implementation, much like the current support for multiple folder formats. When we get the core of that code written, it should be a pretty simple matter to write a CSO driver. I don't know if we will write one, but I expect someone will contribute a CSO driver in short order if we don't... Thanks for the request (all of you)! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, J.J.Bailey wrote: > Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? > Does anyone want it besides me? > > -Jack > > J.J.Bailey > Consultant > jjb@jagware.bcc.com > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 09:36:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01508; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:36:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11868; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:04:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11829; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:04:32 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA19850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:04:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:04:20 EST From: Joe Brennan In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Lookup in /etc/passwd To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: In init.c, I see the following comment, regarding the domain variables: 3. When expanding/fully-qualifying unqualified addresses during composition when a local entry in the password file exists for name. If no userdomain is given, then this lookup is always done. Localdomain or hostname is used to qualify this address. If userdomain matches localdomain then the local lookup is done and localdomain is used on these addresses. Pine may also be configured to do local lookup even if the user has placed himself in another domain. In that case the lookup is kind of a strange thing to do, but if so desirest... We seem to have that strange case here. The sending hosts have names like bonjour.cc.columbia.edu, but we want the From line of outgoing mail (and replies) to use just columbia.edu, our central mail hub. We have the user-domain set to columbia.edu in the pine.conf. We can't use use-only-domain-name because we are removing the first *two* parts of the real hostname. So what's the way to configure pine do local lookup in /etc/passwd? I can't identify a way short of hacking the code a little. Maybe that isn't what the quoted text refers to? Thanks, Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 09:54:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02169; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12330; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:20:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12322; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:20:48 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA20870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:20:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 12:20:45 EST From: Joe Brennan To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine not quitting on HUP Message-Id: We are investigating a problem of Pine 3.89 processes continuing with no tty after users are disconnected from our SunOS hosts. Using the .pine-debug* files we have narrowed it down to cases where people are composing outgoing mail and then get disconnected suddenly, e.g. telephone line noise, telnet connection dropped, turn off modem. So far we cannot reproduce it, so we are not certain precisely what causes it. Killing the pine process with a TERM signal results in a .pine-debug file reporting that it got a HUP signal. We think it may have to do with signal handling in the pico code, but since we have not found the answer yet we cannot say for sure. The debug file of a killed process nearly always ends the same way: === send called === IMAP 2:23 3/11 mm_log babble: Check completed ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Bad file number Save composition on HUP succeeded ** Received SIGHUP ** IMAP 9:23 3/11 mm_log babble: mailhub.cc.columbia.edu IMAP2bis server terminating connection about to end_tty_driver (9:23 is when root sent a TERM to kill this; mailhub.cc.columbia.edu is where mail spool is, accessed using IMAP.) I am writing to ask whether this sounds familiar to anyone. We take it the problem does not manifest itself at Washington. Has anyone else faced this? Much more detail is available, but this may be something local to our own system, so I'm omitting it for now, just hoping this is a known problem to someone else or similar to one. Thanks, Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 10:09:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02764; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:09:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12593; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:31:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12587; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:31:22 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03763; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:30:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine with Sun's xterm To: Lucio Chiappetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lucio, We have not yet completely isolated the cause of the core files. Until we get a fix in place, the sleepy wrapper is the recommended work-around. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > I have been using for a long time Pine on my DECstation. > We are now starting to use Pine (3.89) as mail agent in our institute, > both on DECs and on Suns (we are running OpenWindows 3 under SunOS 4.1.3). > > We have an arrangement by which workstation users (as opposed to terminal > users) invoke a command which opens an additional window in which pine > runs. When the user exits pine, the window disappears. > > This is essentially an xterm -e pine (or dxterm -e pine). > > Now, what is happening on our Suns using the /usr/openwin/bin/xterm > bundled with OpenWindows, is that a "core" file is left around after > pine exits. > This does not occur with DEC's xterm nor with dxterm. > > Apparently, if we insert a "sleep" command, creating a script like > > pine > sleep 1 > > and invoke such script as xterm -e script > > there is no core dump. > However this is not a very elegant solution. > > What is the reason of the core dump (who is dumping core ? pine or > Sun's xterm ?) ? > Are there any more elegant solution that a sleepy wrapper script ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign > via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign > Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | > Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 10:11:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02816; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:11:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12804; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:41:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12775; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:40:59 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <03609-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:40:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:40:38 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: cso nameserver support To: Thacker Mark Douglas Cc: "J.J.Bailey" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/Plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:09:48 -0600 (CST) Thacker Mark Douglas wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, J.J.Bailey wrote: > > > Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? > > Does anyone want it besides me? > > I WOULD LOVE CSO SUPPORT IN PINE!!! .......... OK you guys - WTF is CSO ?! Myabe it's a FAQ, or I should RTFM, but it's a TLA I don't know ... John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 10:47:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04294; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:47:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24373; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:23:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24367; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:23:38 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04644; Wed, 16 Mar 94 10:23:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: pine not quitting on HUP To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, This was definitely a problem in earlier versions of Pine 3.8x, but the major cause is fixed in Pine 3.89. This is the second report of the hangs still occurring in Pine 3.89. In the other one there was some indication that the session might have been suspended when (or shortly before) the connection was dropped. If you can figure out how to reproduce it, or get a stack trace from a core file, please let us know! Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > > We are investigating a problem of Pine 3.89 processes continuing with > no tty after users are disconnected from our SunOS hosts. Using the > .pine-debug* files we have narrowed it down to cases where people are > composing outgoing mail and then get disconnected suddenly, e.g. > telephone line noise, telnet connection dropped, turn off modem. So > far we cannot reproduce it, so we are not certain precisely what > causes it. Killing the pine process with a TERM signal results in a > .pine-debug file reporting that it got a HUP signal. We think it may > have to do with signal handling in the pico code, but since we have > not found the answer yet we cannot say for sure. The debug file of a > killed process nearly always ends the same way: > > > === send called === > IMAP 2:23 3/11 mm_log babble: Check completed > ioctl(TIOCWINSZ) failed :Bad file number > Save composition on HUP succeeded > > > ** Received SIGHUP ** > > > > IMAP 9:23 3/11 mm_log babble: mailhub.cc.columbia.edu IMAP2bis server terminating connection > about to end_tty_driver > > > (9:23 is when root sent a TERM to kill this; mailhub.cc.columbia.edu > is where mail spool is, accessed using IMAP.) > > I am writing to ask whether this sounds familiar to anyone. We take > it the problem does not manifest itself at Washington. Has anyone > else faced this? > > Much more detail is available, but this may be something local to our > own system, so I'm omitting it for now, just hoping this is a known > problem to someone else or similar to one. > > Thanks, > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 15:40:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13099; Wed, 16 Mar 94 15:40:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00192; Wed, 16 Mar 94 15:21:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00186; Wed, 16 Mar 94 15:21:19 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08565; Wed, 16 Mar 94 15:21:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: multipart/digest To: Chris Garrigues Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, Thanks for the suggestion and bug report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Thu, 3 Mar 1994, Chris Garrigues wrote: > Two things: > > First, it would be nice if display of the parts of a multipart/digest > message showed the subject line rather than the string "Attached Text". > (Also, it should show the subject line in the Parts/Attachments "header.") > > Second, any Content-Transfer-Encoding header in the individual parts appears > to be ignored. > > Chris > > > > Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com > Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 > 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 > Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 17:46:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16677; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:46:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02734; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:24:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from riscy.scott-scott.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02728; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:24:38 -0800 Received: from [192.152.12.66] by riscy.scott-scott.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15717; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:23:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:27:11 PST From: Donald Bird Reply-To: Donald Bird Subject: Problems running PC-PINE 3.89 on AST Premium 386/25 with 3C509 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: dbird@rwbeck.com Message-Id: . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We are having problems installing PINE 3.89 on an AST Premium 386/25 with a 3COM 3C509TP network interface and DOS 6.2. We have successfully run the same version of PINE on other PCs e.g. Compaq Deskpro 486/33i with 3C509TP and generic 386/33 with 3C507TP, etc. On the AST we have tried both packet drivers (Crynwr 3C509.COM ver. 10.1) and NDIS driver (ELNK3.DOS ver. 2.0 dated 11/25/92 from LAN Manager 2.2) with an NDIS to packet interface (DIS_PKT.GUP ver. 1.31 dated 1/25/93). In both of these scenarios the packet driver or the NDIS/packet combination seem to load OK but PINE hangs displaying the [Opening "INBOX" ...] message. We are using the same configuration files that work on the Compaq and trying them on the AST without success. During testing we monitored the network traffic using LAN Watch and didn't see any packets transmitted by the PC. Using a small TSR to monitor the PCs activity it seemed to hang in a tight loop while executing code in low memory in the DOS code or in the SYSTEM BIOS area. Have you run across this problem before on this type of PC and do you know of a solution? We would like to continue using public domain software if possible. Thank you for any suggestions you might have to solve this problem. Don Bird R. W. Beck (206)727-4674 dbird@rwbeck.com From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 16 22:10:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22929; Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:10:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26390; Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:46:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26384; Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:46:58 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23915; Wed, 16 Mar 94 21:46:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller Subject: Re: Problems running PC-PINE 3.89 on AST Premium 386/25 with 3C509 To: Donald Bird Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: . Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don, Does telnet work OK on the same machine? Can you telnet to port 143 on the IMAP server? Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Donald Bird wrote: > > We are having problems installing PINE 3.89 on an AST Premium 386/25 with > a 3COM 3C509TP network interface and DOS 6.2. We have successfully run > the same version of PINE on other PCs e.g. Compaq Deskpro 486/33i with > 3C509TP and generic 386/33 with 3C507TP, etc. > > On the AST we have tried both packet drivers (Crynwr 3C509.COM ver. 10.1) > and NDIS driver (ELNK3.DOS ver. 2.0 dated 11/25/92 from LAN Manager 2.2) > with an NDIS to packet interface (DIS_PKT.GUP ver. 1.31 dated 1/25/93). In > both of these scenarios the packet driver or the NDIS/packet combination > seem to load OK but PINE hangs displaying the [Opening "INBOX" ...] > message. We are using the same configuration files that work on the Compaq > and trying them on the AST without success. During testing we monitored > the network traffic using LAN Watch and didn't see any packets transmitted > by the PC. Using a small TSR to monitor the PCs activity it seemed to hang > in a tight loop while executing code in low memory in the DOS code or in > the SYSTEM BIOS area. > > Have you run across this problem before on this type of PC and do you > know of a solution? We would like to continue using public domain > software if possible. > > Thank you for any suggestions you might have to solve this problem. > > Don Bird > R. W. Beck > (206)727-4674 > dbird@rwbeck.com > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 17 12:41:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12398; Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:41:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20766; Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:22:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sugar.NeoSoft.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20760; Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:22:40 -0800 Received: by sugar.NeoSoft.COM id AA10046 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 14:22:31 -0600 From: Gary Rosin Message-Id: <199403172022.AA10046@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> Subject: Shell escape in pico? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 14:22:27 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 354 The title says it all. Neither the man page nor the on-line help says anything about whether pico permits shell escapes. Does it? If so, what is the command? Thanks ******************************************************************* Gary S. Rosin grosin@sugar.neosoft.com ******************************************************************* From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 17 15:55:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18884; Thu, 17 Mar 94 15:55:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25079; Thu, 17 Mar 94 15:38:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lilliwaup.amath.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25073; Thu, 17 Mar 94 15:38:45 -0800 Received: by lilliwaup.amath.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id AA16052; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 15:38:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Ted Stern Subject: advanced use of incoming folders To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am subscribed to several mailing lists (including this one!). Rather than have them clutter up my incoming mailbox, is it possible to redirect messages to other folders using the 'incoming folders=' option in the .pinerc file? I realize it is possible to save messages to folders, but I was looking for an automatic filter. Or does 'incoming folders=' only work if there are several /usr/spool/mail files that one has permission to read from? -- Ted ______________________________________________________________________________ Ted Stern UW phone: (206) 685-8068 Dept. of Applied Math, FS-20 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 17 17:12:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21005; Thu, 17 Mar 94 17:12:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26284; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:46:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from xanth.CS.ORST.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26276; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:46:49 -0800 Received: from santiam.CS.ORST.EDU by instruction.CS.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.4/1.35) id AA14735; Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:46:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9403180046.AA14735@instruction.CS.ORST.EDU> To: Ted Stern Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: advanced use of incoming folders In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 17 Mar 94 15:38:44 -0800. From: thorpej@cs.orst.edu Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 16:38:28 PST > > I am subscribed to several mailing lists (including this one!). Rather > than have them clutter up my incoming mailbox, is it possible to redirect > messages to other folders using the 'incoming folders=' option in the > .pinerc file? I realize it is possible to save messages to folders, but > I was looking for an automatic filter. Look at the elm 'filter' program. Later... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@cs.orst.edu 737-9533 OSU CS Support CSWest Room 12 737-2552 'These are my opinions and not necessarily those of anyone else.' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 17 18:45:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22926; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:45:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17104; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:21:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17071; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:21:00 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA00795; Thu, 17 Mar 94 20:20:49 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA22388; Fri, 18 Mar 94 10:20:40 +0800 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:20:39 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: advanced use of incoming folders To: Ted Stern Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Mar 1994, Ted Stern wrote: > I am subscribed to several mailing lists (including this one!). Rather > than have them clutter up my incoming mailbox, is it possible to redirect > messages to other folders using the 'incoming folders=' option in the > .pinerc file? I realize it is possible to save messages to folders, but > I was looking for an automatic filter. > > Or does 'incoming folders=' only work if there are several /usr/spool/mail > files that one has permission to read from? Well, pine is "only" a mail UA. It does not have any involvement with the delivery of mail to your mailbox. To do what you want you will need to get either "procmail" or the "filter" routines from the elm distribution. Both work in similar fashion in that they make use of the .forward file to forward incoming mail to a process that distributes the mail according to a set of rules. Regards, Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 17 19:07:32 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23369; Thu, 17 Mar 94 19:07:32 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17366; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:38:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17360; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:38:19 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02408; Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:38:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Subject: Re: Shell escape in pico? To: Gary Rosin Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199403172022.AA10046@sugar.NeoSoft.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Invoke as "pico -z" and you can *suspend* to the shell via Ctl-Z, but that's as close as you're going to get... -teg On Thu, 17 Mar 1994, Gary Rosin wrote: > The title says it all. Neither the man page nor the on-line help says > anything about whether pico permits shell escapes. Does it? If so, what > is the command? Thanks > > ******************************************************************* > Gary S. Rosin grosin@sugar.neosoft.com > ******************************************************************* > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 18 08:49:08 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04718; Fri, 18 Mar 94 08:49:08 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27438; Fri, 18 Mar 94 08:05:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from welchgate.welch.jhu.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27432; Fri, 18 Mar 94 08:05:57 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu by welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA03507; Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:02:38 EST Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14352; Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:00:25 EST Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher Subject: pine3.89 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 827 Sometimes I've noticed that a pine session will get niced to -25 and eat up all the CPU on my machine, is anyone else experiencing this problem ? ___ __ ___ _ .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ ---- "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." (Samuel Adams) ---- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 18 14:16:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15392; Fri, 18 Mar 94 14:16:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15608; Fri, 18 Mar 94 13:52:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15598; Fri, 18 Mar 94 13:52:24 -0800 Received: from [128.219.128.57] by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.6.7/1.34) id QAA08814; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:52:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199403182152.QAA08814@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: jnm@cosmail2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:52:16 -0500 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: jnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (Jamey Maze) Subject: X Windows version of Pine??? It seems I remember someone talking about working on an X version of Pine. Is that true? Thanks! -- Phone: 615-574-6355 Fax: 615-576-4992 "Personally, I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught." -- Winston Churchill From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 18 16:19:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18605; Fri, 18 Mar 94 16:19:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18125; Fri, 18 Mar 94 16:04:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from booster.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18117; Fri, 18 Mar 94 16:04:38 -0800 Received: by booster.u.washington.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21179; Fri, 18 Mar 94 16:04:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Corey Lawson Subject: Re: Pine wish-list...arrow keys for select/back to previous To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Or, what about something along the lines of UWIN? L gets you into a display sort of like this: Local folders -----> Work IMAP1 Access-l-----> Johnvon IMAP2 BCNN ... where using the right-arrow command (either key or emacs-ish) moves you to the right into heirarchical local folders... and left-arrow command moves you back one level, and up- and down-arrow work intuitively. -Corey Lawson alfalfa@booster.u.washington.edu ------------------------------------- U U W W W Bothell Campus U U W W W W =================== UUU W W Computer Facilities ------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, Mr Brian M Bullen wrote: > > > One thing I've noticed that annoys me... > > the behavior of TAB and moving through folders. The behavior of it now is that > > it stops at the last folder in the list. To go back, one must L to list > > folders and select a folder that way. Why not make it so that either > > you can SHIFT+TAB to move back through the folder list or so that TAB will > > wrap back to the first folder in the list? > > This sounds sensible - but I have an alternative. > Though I like the multi item per line display of folder names (since > I have loads of folders) I think it confuses the interface (and > anyway I should be using hierarchical folders to impose order on my > mailboxes). > > Where there is a list of items to choose from, would it not be more > consistent to have a vertical list, with the DOWN_ARROW and UP_ARROW keys > to move down and up the list (with wrap around at top and bottom). > > One could then add RIGHT and LEFT arrow > (as in the unix character WWW lynx command, and in usenet news TIN), i.e. > > RIGHT_ARROW - activate current select on a list > LEFT_ARROW - back to previous menu > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 19 10:03:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04771; Sat, 19 Mar 94 10:03:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20678; Sat, 19 Mar 94 09:49:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from UCS.ORST.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20672; Sat, 19 Mar 94 09:49:43 -0800 Received: by ucs.orst.edu (5.57/fma-120691); id AA04750; Sat, 19 Mar 94 09:49:43 -0800 Message-Id: <9403191749.AA04750@ucs.orst.edu> Subject: PC-PINE over slip To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 09:49:42 -0800 From: irwink@ucs.orst.edu X-Mts: smtp Could you let me know what it takes to run Pc-Pine over slip? So far, the UMSLIP.COM driver doesn't seem to work. It doesn't interface with BOOTP, I think. SLIPPER13 *does* work when I use the "ether" emulation, but won't find my host machine, which is using imap2bis, or something like that. I get a message, like, "128.193.4.5,143" not found. I've tried telnetting to 143, and sure enough I get something, but I don't know the commands to type in to test it, and I suspect that PC-PINE doesn't either, or does it? --Keith From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 19 20:14:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21581; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:14:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01509; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:02:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01503; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:02:41 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA13580; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:09:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Re: cso nameserver support To: Ed Greshko Cc: "J.J.Bailey" , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, J.J.Bailey wrote: > > > Is anyone planning the addition of cso nameserver support? > > Does anyone want it besides me? > I would like to have it... Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 20 21:53:47 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04855; Sun, 20 Mar 94 21:53:47 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18849; Sun, 20 Mar 94 21:24:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from manila.cc.columbia.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18843; Sun, 20 Mar 94 21:24:26 -0800 Received: by manila.cc.columbia.edu id AA11602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 00:24:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 0:24:24 EST From: Margarita Suarez To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine not quitting on HUP Cc: unix@columbia.edu, brennan@columbia.edu Message-Id: joe brennan (brennan@columbia.edu) recently reported to you that we were seeing pine processes that hadn't heared HUP signals. we were able to fix most instances of this hanging by not setting signal handlers to SIG_IGN but instead calling sigblock(). then instead of setting the signal handler back, you just call sigsetmask(). i'm not sure how portable the sigblock system call is but our situation improved 90% with this fix installed. it couldn't hurt to patch pine to use sigblock/sigsetmask on systems that have it. the fix was pretty straightforward, but let me know if you need diffs. the only place i wasn't able to easily fix was in pico's SIGHUP handler, do_hup_signal() in os_unix.c. it looks like a user is composing a message and sitting in pico when the HUP is delivered. it's a little confusing because of the longjmp. attached is the stack from a process that didn't hear a HUP, and started looping. i think gdb got a little confused when we longjmp'ed out of do_hup_signal. not sure where the QUIT is coming from... marg (gdb) where #0 0xef793c40 in select () #1 0x51934 in read_with_timeout (time_out=600) at ttyin.c:342 #2 0x51e18 in read_char (time_out=600) at ttyin.c:454 #3 0x4dc78 in radio_buttons ( prompt=0x139f48 "\aPine emergency exit. REALLY ABORT PINE RIGHT NOW? (y/n/^C ) [n]: ", line=-3, column=0, buttons=0x106ea4 "yn", labels=0xefffe664, deefault=110, on_ctrl_C=110, help_text=0xd4058, help_on=0) at status.c:583 #4 0x4da88 in want_to ( question=0x1069e8 "\aPine emergency exit. REALLY ABORT PINE RIGHT NOW", dflt=110, on_ctrl_C=110, help=0xd4058, display_help=0) at status.c:512 #5 0x4c1b0 in quit_signal () at signals.c:203 ~#6 0xef76ec54 in _sigtramp () #7 0x75f20 in do_hup_signal () at osdep.c:771 #8 0x462dc in pine_send (outgoing=0x136070, body=0xeffff678, editor_title=0x105d7b "COMPOSE MESSAGE", fcc=0x0, are_replying=0, att=0x0) at send.c:996 #9 0x4534c in compose_mail (given_to=0x0) at send.c:366 #10 0x44c50 in compose_screen (pine_state=0x126160) at send.c:178 #11 0x3a0fc in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffffbcc) at pine.c:611 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 00:49:52 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06363; Mon, 21 Mar 94 00:49:52 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20995; Mon, 21 Mar 94 00:29:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from stein.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20989; Mon, 21 Mar 94 00:29:34 -0800 Received: by stein2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14688; Mon, 21 Mar 94 00:29:33 -0800 X-Sender: absweger@stein2.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 00:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew B. Sweger" Reply-To: "Andrew B. Sweger" Subject: Suggestion, new messages, status To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I have several Incoming Message Folders, all filled by procmail. Presently, I have a small script I wrote that will tell me how many new messages there are in each folder. I also have a small script that informs me which folders have new messages since the command prompt was last displayed (by examining the procmail.log). Unfortunately, that information is not on the screen when I go into the Folder List and I loose track of which ones I want to visit. I propose that pine use the status line while in the Folder List to display the number of unread messages of the highlighted folder while in the Incoming Folders portion. This would be a very positive feature for an already very successful program. Thank you. -- / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office) // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail) / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. ============================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 06:02:10 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11042; Mon, 21 Mar 94 06:02:10 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24964; Mon, 21 Mar 94 05:42:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24958; Mon, 21 Mar 94 05:42:01 -0800 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27585; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:38:26 +0200 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27879; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:38:22 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:38:22 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: Re: X Windows version of Pine??? To: Jamey Maze Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199403182152.QAA08814@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Mar 1994, Jamey Maze wrote: > It seems I remember someone talking about working on an X version of Pine. > Is that true? A Motif-interface version is under work. As my boss has forced me into doing some real work for the company, it will take some time before I can do an initial release. Several weeks maybe. Depends on how busy my 'real work' makes me (and my girlfriend :-). Anyone who has a Hewlett-Packard HP9000/73x workstation, can have a binary executable demo-version. It is 193737 bytes gzip'ed, and very incomplete. But you can use it to read mail and get an idea of the look-and-feel. What you can't do yet is to send mail or update the addressbook or modify the folder/collection lists. You can however browse the addressbook and the folder/collection lists. You can view/save/delete/print messages. If I can come up with an easy & quick solution to get the interface to work under Tcl/Tk, I will do this, as the portability problems would be reduced significantly. You wouldn't need to have Motif-library for example. It would be easy to modify the interface. -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 Development Engineer mail: TL2E, P.O. BOX 12, FIN-02611 Espoo, Finland Data Communications internet: IAN.LEIMAN@ntc.nokia.com Transmission Systems x400: C=FI,A=Elisa,or A=Mailnet,P=Nokia Telecom, NOKIA Telecommunications SUR=LEIMAN,GIV=IAN,(UNIT=DCO) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 11:02:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19430; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:02:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11654; Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:27:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11644; Mon, 21 Mar 94 10:26:56 -0800 Received: by poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it (5.65/1.34) id AA27145; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 19:31:38 +0100 Organization: Istituto di Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 19:31:38 +0100 (MET) From: Lucio Chiappetti Subject: how to install and configure imapd To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Cc: Dario Bottini In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have been PERSONALLY using Pine very happily since 3.05, and now we are going to have Pine as DEFAULT MAILER for Unix and DOS here at IFCTR (this is motivated by the fact we are dropping a Vax used by a good deal of my colleagues here). We have 3.89 happily running on Unix (Ultrix and SunOS). In order to use PC-Pine we need to install and configure imapd, using the distributed binaries. The documentation in Pine Technical Notes (pag. 13) are quite terse, and in particular at pag. 14 there is a mention of two files (/etc/imapdrc and .imapdrc) which are NOT explained ANYWHERE. We have also retrieved the imap-3.2.tar file and I have extracted a few files : imap-3.2/ANSI/c-client/Internal.DOC imap-3.2/ANSI/imapd/imapd.8c imap-3.2/RFC1176.TXT * imap-3.2/README imap-3.2/Updates.DOC but none of them look an installation AND configuration guide. Where should I look (in the tar file or in the cac.washington.edu archives) ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our arrangement will be like the following (there are strangeness for historical reasons). Please confirm my understanding of how pine, pc-pine and imapd interact is correct. There are here two "privileged" machines : [A] is a DECstation which is domain nameserver, mail exchanger for the domain, and Internet-Decnet gateway [B] is a Sun which is NIS server and our main disk file server Then there are a number of "personal" workstations [X] and PCs [x]. ------------- All workstations [X,A,B] send their internet mail directly. Decnet and Bitnet mail is gatewayed to machine [A] Mail exits as from "user@ifctr.mi.cnr.it" All incoming mail for the domain comes to machine [A], which knows the netwide aliases file (kept on [B]), and is delivered currently as : - to workstations [X] for their owners - to the Vax for most of the others (this will be dropped) - to workstation [B] for the "general" unix users machine [A] is the only one to have a "special" sendmail.cf ---------- What we would like now is to have 4 classes of users : a) owners of [X], which should continue sending and receiving mail from their workstation b) generic unix users, which should continue sending and receiving mail on [B] c) local users with a PC [x]. They should receive mail in an inbox on machine [B] (or [A] ?), read it via pc-pine/imapd and keep it on their PC via auto-save feature, and set it from [x]. - to allow them sending mail we should designate [A] as smtp-server, shouldn't we ? - is there any special arrangement needed in sendmail.cf on [A] ? - do they need to have an account on [B], or can imapd work without an account ? d) local users with PC [x] which however need access to their mail via remote login. In this case we plan to provide them an account on [B], and they should be able to use either pine or pc-pine via imapd to read all of their mail (new and old). - for an imapd user, can|must the inbox be the usual /var/spool/mail/user ? - can an imapd user also access a set of folders on a private directory (we would like to have read mail stored under the user login directory, and not on /var, for quota reasons. - is there any preference to have imapd on [A] or [B] ? ----------- Is all of this sensible and what are the steps to configure imapd (pointers to documentation files to read will be appreciated) ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 12:57:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23809; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:57:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02661; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:30:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02649; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:30:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20024; Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:30:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine3.89 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Keith, Can you tell what the Pine session is doing at the time? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 18 Mar 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > Sometimes I've noticed that a pine session will get niced to -25 and eat > up all the CPU on my machine, is anyone else experiencing this problem ? > > > > ___ __ ___ _ > .----------------------. ///\\ |\\ /| || // ` /\\ > | Keith Christopher | __ /// \\ | \\ /|| ||(( __ / \\ > | Proud owner - A4000 | \\\///--- \\l \/ ll ll \\_ll/--- \\ > `----------------------' \XX/------------------------------\\ > > ---- > > "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude > greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in > peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick > the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our > countrymen." > (Samuel Adams) > ---- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 13:27:47 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25736; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:27:47 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15164; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:05:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from valiant.te.CdnAir.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15140; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:04:59 -0800 Received: by valiant.te.CdnAir.CA (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33240; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:05:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:05:04 -0800 (PST) From: Grant Fengstad Subject: Compilation of Pine on SVR4.2 To: Pine Info Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just obtained an Intel based Unixware system. Has anyone compiled pine on this platform? If so, can you provide any insight to me as I plan on attempting this. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 14:04:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27262; Mon, 21 Mar 94 14:04:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04446; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:35:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04440; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:34:58 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21206; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:34:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Margarita Suarez Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, unix@columbia.edu, brennan@columbia.edu Subject: Re: pine not quitting on HUP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Marg, Most of the hanging problems have been fixed in the current Pine 3.89 release. There are still a couple unresolved reports, but the occurances seem to be pretty uncommon. You are correct that there are portability problems with alot of the signal handling routines. Thanks for the suggestions! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Margarita Suarez wrote: > joe brennan (brennan@columbia.edu) recently reported to you that we were > seeing pine processes that hadn't heared HUP signals. > > we were able to fix most instances of this hanging by not setting signal > handlers to SIG_IGN but instead calling sigblock(). then instead of > setting the signal handler back, you just call sigsetmask(). i'm not > sure how portable the sigblock system call is but our situation improved > 90% with this fix installed. it couldn't hurt to patch pine to use > sigblock/sigsetmask on systems that have it. > > the fix was pretty straightforward, but let me know if you need diffs. > > the only place i wasn't able to easily fix was in pico's SIGHUP handler, > do_hup_signal() in os_unix.c. it looks like a user is composing a > message and sitting in pico when the HUP is delivered. it's a little > confusing because of the longjmp. attached is the stack from a process > that didn't hear a HUP, and started looping. i think gdb got a little > confused when we longjmp'ed out of do_hup_signal. not sure where the > QUIT is coming from... > > marg > > (gdb) where > #0 0xef793c40 in select () > #1 0x51934 in read_with_timeout (time_out=600) at ttyin.c:342 > #2 0x51e18 in read_char (time_out=600) at ttyin.c:454 > #3 0x4dc78 in radio_buttons ( > prompt=0x139f48 "\aPine emergency exit. REALLY ABORT PINE RIGHT NOW? (y/n/^C > ) [n]: ", line=-3, column=0, buttons=0x106ea4 "yn", labels=0xefffe664, > deefault=110, on_ctrl_C=110, help_text=0xd4058, help_on=0) at status.c:583 > #4 0x4da88 in want_to ( > question=0x1069e8 "\aPine emergency exit. REALLY ABORT PINE RIGHT NOW", > dflt=110, on_ctrl_C=110, help=0xd4058, display_help=0) at status.c:512 > #5 0x4c1b0 in quit_signal () at signals.c:203 > ~#6 0xef76ec54 in _sigtramp () > #7 0x75f20 in do_hup_signal () at osdep.c:771 > #8 0x462dc in pine_send (outgoing=0x136070, body=0xeffff678, > editor_title=0x105d7b "COMPOSE MESSAGE", fcc=0x0, are_replying=0, att=0x0) > at send.c:996 > #9 0x4534c in compose_mail (given_to=0x0) at send.c:366 > #10 0x44c50 in compose_screen (pine_state=0x126160) at send.c:178 > #11 0x3a0fc in main (argc=1, argv=0xeffffbcc) at pine.c:611 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 14:09:26 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27471; Mon, 21 Mar 94 14:09:26 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04579; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:39:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04573; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:39:13 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21302; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:39:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Andrew B. Sweger" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suggestion, new messages, status In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Andrew, Our current experimental code includes a command to display the counts of messages in all of your incoming folders on the folder-list. It also has a flag for messages that have arrived since you viewed the index of a folder. Unfortunately this command is quite slow at present. It turns out to be almost as fast to open each folder in turn, viewing each index... Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Andrew B. Sweger wrote: > I have several Incoming Message Folders, all filled by procmail. > Presently, I have a small script I wrote that will tell me how many new > messages there are in each folder. I also have a small script that informs > me which folders have new messages since the command prompt was last > displayed (by examining the procmail.log). Unfortunately, that information > is not on the screen when I go into the Folder List and I loose track of > which ones I want to visit. > > I propose that pine use the status line while in the Folder List to > display the number of unread messages of the highlighted folder while in > the Incoming Folders portion. This would be a very positive feature for > an already very successful program. Thank you. > > -- > / Andrew B. Sweger absweger@u.washington.edu > // Computer Support Manager csg@fammed.washington.edu > \\ Department of Family Medicine, HQ-30 (206) 543-2461 (Office) > // UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON (206) 685-4337 (Voice Mail) > / Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 685-0610 (FAX) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. > ============================================================================== > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 15:22:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29524; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:22:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17608; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:00:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17602; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:00:08 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22684; Mon, 21 Mar 94 14:59:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 14:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Lucio Chiappetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, Dario Bottini Subject: Re: how to install and configure imapd In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lucio, It sounds like you have found most of the documentation we have. Basically, you copy the imapd binary to the appropriate directory and add a line to the services and inetd.conf files. Then send a SIGHUP to the inetd process and you should be ready to go. The imapdrc and .imapdrc files are only used in very unusual configurations that you probably will not be using. Your configuration looks pretty good. One caution is that if the [X] workstations are NFS mounting any of their folders, you should use IMAP to access them directly from the system that physically stores them. Pine and imapd have trouble trying to lock files on an NFS mounted filesystem. The IMAP only clients need accounts on the server, but they do not necessarily need a login shell. The INBOX is usually in the usual system location, but can be moved with appropriate /usr/local/lib/pine.conf or ~/.pinerc entries. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > Hello, > I have been PERSONALLY using Pine very happily since 3.05, and > now we are going to have Pine as DEFAULT MAILER for Unix and DOS here > at IFCTR (this is motivated by the fact we are dropping a Vax used by > a good deal of my colleagues here). We have 3.89 happily running on Unix > (Ultrix and SunOS). > > In order to use PC-Pine we need to install and configure imapd, using > the distributed binaries. The documentation in Pine Technical Notes (pag. > 13) are quite terse, and in particular at pag. 14 there is a mention of > two files (/etc/imapdrc and .imapdrc) which are NOT explained ANYWHERE. > > We have also retrieved the imap-3.2.tar file and I have extracted a few > files : > > imap-3.2/ANSI/c-client/Internal.DOC > imap-3.2/ANSI/imapd/imapd.8c > imap-3.2/RFC1176.TXT > * imap-3.2/README > imap-3.2/Updates.DOC > > but none of them look an installation AND configuration guide. > Where should I look (in the tar file or in the cac.washington.edu > archives) ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Our arrangement will be like the following (there are strangeness > for historical reasons). Please confirm my understanding of how pine, > pc-pine and imapd interact is correct. > > There are here two "privileged" machines : > > [A] is a DECstation which is domain nameserver, mail exchanger for > the domain, and Internet-Decnet gateway > > [B] is a Sun which is NIS server and our main disk file server > > Then there are a number of "personal" workstations [X] and PCs [x]. > > ------------- > > All workstations [X,A,B] send their internet mail directly. Decnet and > Bitnet mail is gatewayed to machine [A] > Mail exits as from "user@ifctr.mi.cnr.it" > > All incoming mail for the domain comes to machine [A], which knows the > netwide aliases file (kept on [B]), and is delivered currently as : > > - to workstations [X] for their owners > - to the Vax for most of the others (this will be dropped) > - to workstation [B] for the "general" unix users > > machine [A] is the only one to have a "special" sendmail.cf > > ---------- > > What we would like now is to have 4 classes of users : > > a) owners of [X], which should continue sending and receiving mail > from their workstation > b) generic unix users, which should continue sending and receiving > mail on [B] > c) local users with a PC [x]. They should receive mail in an inbox > on machine [B] (or [A] ?), read it via pc-pine/imapd and keep it > on their PC via auto-save feature, and set it from [x]. > > - to allow them sending mail we should designate [A] as smtp-server, > shouldn't we ? > - is there any special arrangement needed in sendmail.cf on [A] ? > - do they need to have an account on [B], or can imapd work > without an account ? > > d) local users with PC [x] which however need access to their mail > via remote login. In this case we plan to provide them an account > on [B], and they should be able to use either pine or pc-pine via > imapd to read all of their mail (new and old). > > - for an imapd user, can|must the inbox be the usual > /var/spool/mail/user ? > - can an imapd user also access a set of folders on a private > directory (we would like to have read mail stored under the > user login directory, and not on /var, for quota reasons. > > - is there any preference to have imapd on [A] or [B] ? > > ----------- > > Is all of this sensible and what are the steps to configure imapd (pointers > to documentation files to read will be appreciated) ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign > via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign > Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | > Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 15:59:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01385; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:59:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18437; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:41:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18400; Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:40:53 -0800 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27126; Mon, 21 Mar 94 18:21:49 EST Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Roy Subject: Re: Compilation of Pine on SVR4.2 To: Grant Fengstad Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Grant Fengstad wrote: > I've just obtained an Intel based Unixware system. Has anyone compiled > pine on this platform? If so, can you provide any insight to me as I > plan on attempting this. > I am running Pine on unixware. The way i did it with the sdk is to compile with sysv type of compiler. Everything but pine should compile ok. To compile Pine too, copy the 2 header files that give you an error int he pine directoty, erase the 2 lines that gives an error and include I. in the libflags or ccflags and thats it. It a funny include bug. Pierre Roy Porretta Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 16:24:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02370; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:24:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07562; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:06:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07556; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:06:15 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23917; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:05:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Pierre Roy Cc: Grant Fengstad , Pine Info Subject: Re: Compilation of Pine on SVR4.2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alternatively you might be able to get away with just adding "-Dconst=" to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sv4... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Grant Fengstad wrote: > > > I've just obtained an Intel based Unixware system. Has anyone compiled > > pine on this platform? If so, can you provide any insight to me as I > > plan on attempting this. > > > > I am running Pine on unixware. > > The way i did it with the sdk is to compile with sysv type of compiler. > Everything but pine should compile ok. > To compile Pine too, copy the 2 header files that give you an error int > he pine directoty, erase the 2 lines that gives an error and include I. > in the libflags or ccflags and thats it. It a funny include bug. > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 17:14:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04032; Mon, 21 Mar 94 17:14:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19881; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:56:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.cc.trincoll.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19875; Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:56:33 -0800 Received: from [157.252.32.109] (veronica.pc.trincoll.edu) by mail.trincoll.edu (5.0/14-main-dsc) id AA27089 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu; Mon, 21 Mar 94 19:56:43 EST Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 19:56:43 EST Message-Id: <9403220056.AA27089@mail.trincoll.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: Thaumaturgy Dept. Subject: bootp config. Content-Length: 259 I haven't been successful in getting pc pine to get all the information that is needed from our bootp server. The critical bits are: IP address Subnet Mask Default gateway Do you have any helpful hints? Thanks, Al Twomey, Alan.Twomey@mail.trincoll.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 20:47:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07301; Mon, 21 Mar 94 20:47:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23063; Mon, 21 Mar 94 20:31:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turing.mathworks.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23057; Mon, 21 Mar 94 20:31:08 -0800 Received: (pascoe@localhost) by turing.mathworks.com (8.6.8/8.6-dp) id XAA27114; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:31:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Pascoe Subject: Pine 3.89 questions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two questions: 1) Is there any way to have Pine scan /var/spool/mail more frequently while Pine is open? Displaying a new message seems to lag xbiff by a bit. Is there a config option? I couldn't find one..... 2) What is the easiest way to include a custom header (like X-Face:) on each mail message? -- Dave Pascoe The MathWorks, Inc. Internet: pascoe@MathWorks.Com 24 Prime Park Way WWW: http://www.mathworks.com Natick, MA 01760 USA Phone: (508) 653-1415 x362 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 21:19:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07761; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:19:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11987; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:03:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11981; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:03:35 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26326; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:03:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Dave Pascoe Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Pine 3.89 questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Dave Pascoe wrote: > Two questions: > > 1) Is there any way to have Pine scan /var/spool/mail more frequently > while Pine is open? Displaying a new message seems to lag xbiff by a > bit. Is there a config option? I couldn't find one..... > Not without changing the source. You can force an update by pressing ^L though. > 2) What is the easiest way to include a custom header (like X-Face:) on > each mail message? > Use Elm? ;-) The next release of Pine will probably have a mechanism to allow custom headers though. > -- > > Dave Pascoe > The MathWorks, Inc. Internet: pascoe@MathWorks.Com > 24 Prime Park Way WWW: http://www.mathworks.com > Natick, MA 01760 USA Phone: (508) 653-1415 x362 > Thanks for the requests! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 22:01:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08384; Mon, 21 Mar 94 22:01:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24003; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:38:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23997; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:38:20 -0800 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28670; Tue, 22 Mar 94 00:20:47 EST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:20:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Roy Subject: Re: Compilation of Pine on SVR4.2 To: David L Miller Cc: Grant Fengstad , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Alternatively you might be able to get away with just adding "-Dconst=" > to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sv4... If that works, can you tell me so i can pass the word around. Thanks Pierre > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > Pierre Roy Porretta Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 21 22:01:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08410; Mon, 21 Mar 94 22:01:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23973; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:36:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23967; Mon, 21 Mar 94 21:36:20 -0800 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28656; Tue, 22 Mar 94 00:18:47 EST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Roy Subject: Re: how to install and configure imapd Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, is imapd compatible with pop readers, Can i say to the pop readers to use impad at port 117 ( ithink)??? Thanks Pierre Roy Porretta Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 01:41:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12068; Tue, 22 Mar 94 01:41:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26966; Tue, 22 Mar 94 01:11:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26960; Tue, 22 Mar 94 01:11:36 -0800 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue, 22 Mar 94 03:11:32 CST Received: by quads.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA07004; Tue, 22 Mar 94 03:10:39 CST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 03:10:38 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: problemns with pine... To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I ve been using Pine 3.88 ( I cant find 3.89 ) 2 months now. During the las week I ve faced many different small problems. The most serious and most constant of all seems to be the one I m facing now... every 10 minutes pine tells me " Folder shrank from **** to **** bytes, aborted " ; and after that every message goes blank, so I have to leave and reenter pine... The folders seem unchanged after that, although i have had some minor problems with them a few days ago... Thank you. Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 07:36:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18522; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:36:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02139; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:14:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ncc1701d.INEL.GOV by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02133; Tue, 22 Mar 94 07:13:59 -0800 Received: by ncc1701d.inel.gov id AA19620 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 08:13:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 08:13:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Remien Subject: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Howdy! If my memory is working (not a likely thing), a discussion of the Reply-To: field went by a couple of weeks ago. Was the end result that Reply-To: would be in Pine 3.90? TIA, Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 09:13:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21371; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:13:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03670; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:44:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03664; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:44:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00655; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:44:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Pierre Roy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how to install and configure imapd In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pierre, No, but the UW IMAP distribution contains ipop2d and ipop3d servers. Get mail/imap.tar.Z from ftp.cac.washington.edu. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > Hi, > is imapd compatible with pop readers, Can i say to the pop readers to > use impad at port 117 ( ithink)??? > > Thanks > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 09:20:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21541; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:20:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03920; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:55:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03914; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:55:48 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00884; Tue, 22 Mar 94 08:55:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 08:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Dave Remien Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Dave Remien wrote: > > Howdy! > > If my memory is working (not a likely thing), a discussion of the > Reply-To: field went by a couple of weeks ago. Was the end result that > Reply-To: would be in Pine 3.90? > > TIA, > > Dave From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 09:26:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21726; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:26:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04111; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:01:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04103; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:01:50 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01325; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:01:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Pierre Roy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: how to install and configure imapd In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pierre, Alas, no. IMAP is a functional superset of POP, but not a syntactic superset. In other words, the two protocols are not compatible. I know of one POP client (POPmail from U Minnesota, I think) that can be configured to use either POP or IMAP servers. (But, in POP tradition, it will delete messages from the server after retrieving them.) -teg p.s. IMAP's default port is 143. On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > Hi, > is imapd compatible with pop readers, Can i say to the pop readers to > use impad at port 117 ( ithink)??? > > Thanks > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 09:34:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22016; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:34:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21656; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:02:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21650; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:02:39 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01359; Tue, 22 Mar 94 09:02:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Dave Remien Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. -teg On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Dave Remien wrote: > > Howdy! > > If my memory is working (not a likely thing), a discussion of the > Reply-To: field went by a couple of weeks ago. Was the end result that > Reply-To: would be in Pine 3.90? > > TIA, > > Dave > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 10:52:09 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23801; Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:52:09 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23157; Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:27:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23151; Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:27:16 -0800 Received: from march.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:26:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:03:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ross Wakelin Subject: Re: Compilation of Pine on SVR4.2 To: Pierre Roy Cc: David L Miller , Grant Fengstad , Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Received: from march.co.uk by march.co.uk; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:03 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1340 On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > > > Alternatively you might be able to get away with just adding "-Dconst=" > > to the CFLAGS line in pine/makefile.sv4... > > If that works, can you tell me so i can pass the word around. > Thanks > Pierre > > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > > Yep it does.... We have been using 3.89 on various flavours of 4.0 and 4.2 since it came out (we did some of the 5.4 port stuff for pine, way back in 3.0xxx.) This works on both Intel and Sparc platforms, but we can not say for sure with unixware, because we run destiny code, not novell. Ross Wakelin r.wakelin@march.co.uk Open Systems Director March Systems Consultancy Ltd +44 734 304 224 or rossw@manuka.demon.co.uk at home PGP signature available From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 13:04:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27310; Tue, 22 Mar 94 13:04:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08332; Tue, 22 Mar 94 12:42:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08326; Tue, 22 Mar 94 12:42:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA07868; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 14:47:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 14:47:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As long as we're talking about things for the 'next version': Any chance the ability to automatically BCC to distributions instead of having to mess with the full headers and all that can be added/considered? *ducks* ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 16:24:02 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04103; Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:24:02 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29360; Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:10:39 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29354; Tue, 22 Mar 94 16:10:35 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA24657; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:10:30 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA25088; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:03:10 +0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:03:09 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > As long as we're talking about things for the 'next version': When will 3.90 be out. I've heard it is in beta test at the moment. Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 18:40:46 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08485; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:40:46 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15410; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:27:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15404; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:27:12 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26736; Tue, 22 Mar 94 18:27:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 18:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Ed Greshko Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > When will 3.90 be out. Ed, We've given up answering that question for Lent :) > I've heard it is in beta test at the moment. Gosh... we didn't know that! Email from Pine team members will typically say 3.90 in the MsgID since we do try to inflict new code on ourselves before others, but so far the 3.90 development code has only been used by us, and development is continuing. We were just talking about schedules this morning, and didn't reach a conclusion, except that it was definitely past next Tuesday :) Since there is still have more stuff we want to get in, I'm guessing a Beta release in May or thereabouts. But that's a guess, and Mike hasn't heard me say it before now... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 22 23:20:27 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12255; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:20:27 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05827; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:05:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05821; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:05:27 -0800 Received: by mail.teleport.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.2) id ; Tue, 22 Mar 94 22:50 PST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Nehalem PPP Subject: simple imapd question To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, all- I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed to be done on the server side... from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. Any help greatly appreciated! >>-Darci-> (dlc@gasco.com is best) ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) \/ About Me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 01:04:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13868; Wed, 23 Mar 94 01:04:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07060; Wed, 23 Mar 94 00:48:06 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07048; Wed, 23 Mar 94 00:48:03 -0800 Received: by mail.teleport.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.2) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 94 00:47 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: nehalem Subject: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, all- I'm in desperate need of a Reply-To line! I'm dialing up via ppp and accessing my remote mail over the ppp line. The problem is that my local uid is one thing, and my remote uid another. I have no problems getting my remote mail with this other uid but sending email is turning out to hellish because it looks like it comes from dlc@teleport.com (non existant) instead of nehalem@teleport.com (hint, don't use dlc@teleport.com if you reply to this). Assuming the two uid's are never in sync, what can I do? Once again, pointers/suggestions will receive my deep gratitude! >>-Darci-> -- ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) \/ About Me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 03:37:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16751; Wed, 23 Mar 94 03:37:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08858; Wed, 23 Mar 94 03:10:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08850; Wed, 23 Mar 94 03:10:11 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA28128; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:10:03 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA29900; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:56:16 +0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:56:15 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: simple imapd question To: Nehalem PPP Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Nehalem PPP wrote: > I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate > entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed > to be done on the server side... > > from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a > remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. Did you send a SIGHUP to your inetd process, or reboot your machine, so that it will recognize the changes you made to the files? Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 05:05:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18701; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:05:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10186; Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:40:46 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from unhh.unh.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10180; Wed, 23 Mar 94 04:40:44 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 7:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: J_CERNY@UNHH.UNH.EDU Message-Id: <940323073927.20c0551b@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Subject: Where was idea of a pine USENENT newsgroup left?? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"pine-info@cac.washington.edu" There has been several bursts of discussion about creating a pine USENET newsgroup as an alternative way to distribute pine-info. What became of that? Was that a yes/no/maybe? I've been trying to hang on to my pine subscription until such a day, but I am able to read less and less of the traffic and will probably drop off the list soon. For those of us with access to a newsfeed and threaded newsreader, a newsgroup is a marvelous solution to the signal-to-noise ratio inherent in matching any one subscriber's interests to a high-volume discussion. Jim Cerny, Computing and Information Services, Univ.N.H. jim.cerny@unh.edu P.S. The closest I can find to a pine newsgroup is rec.skiing.alpine :-) ^^^^ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 05:54:59 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20060; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:54:59 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10700; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:20:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hopi.dtcc.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10694; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:20:19 -0800 Received: by hopi.dtcc.edu (5.4R2.10/200.1.1.4) id AA11363; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:20:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Weaverling Subject: Re: Where was idea of a pine USENENT newsgroup left?? To: J_CERNY@unhh.unh.edu Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <940323073927.20c0551b@UNHH.UNH.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > There has been several bursts of discussion about creating > a pine USENET newsgroup as an alternative way to distribute > pine-info. What became of that? Was that a yes/no/maybe? I originally said I would step y'all through the procedure, in case the readers here aren't used to the rules of newsgroup creation. The things we need to do though, before an RFD is issued (request for discussion) on news.announce.newsgroups is: 1) Decide if the group will be gated to the mailing list, and if so, who will handle this. My site isn't a logical choice for this since we a leaf site at the end of a 56K link. 2) Decide the name (comp.mail.pine sounds good to me) 3) Get a committment from the pine developers to participate in the group (not run it, just read and post) like they do here. That will add a lot of value to it. Note that if it is gated to the mailing list, this is a moot point. 4) Write the RFD that will be submitted to n.a.n. Decide what other groups the RFD should be cross-posted to. (news.groups, comp.mail.misc, comp.mail.elm -- whoops, sorry, Pine Is Not Elm -- forgot! :-) Below is an RFD for another group I scarfed from n.a.n. The RFD should somewhat match the below one, including things like moderation status (un-moderated), group charter, and rationale for wanting it (why is the mailing list not a viable solution anymore for many, etc...) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc Subject: RFD: comp.compilers.pccts Followup-To: news.groups Date: 22 Mar 1994 17:14:43 -0500 Request For Discussion (RFD): comp.compilers.pccts This message seeks to initiate a discussion on the creation of a new USENET newsgroup "comp.compilers.pccts" as described below. Discussion should take place in news.groups. Anyone interested in the topic is encouraged to participate. Purpose: -------- This newsgroup would be for discussion of tools used in compiler construction, specifically those which are bundled into the software package known as PCCTS (Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set). Currently this set of tools includes DLG for lexical analysis, ANTLR for syntax analysis and parsing, and SORCERER for tree parsing. Possible topics include exchange of information on getting, building, installing, and using the tools, broadcasting examples, bug reports and patches, suggestions for enhancements, and new tools to be added to the set. Rationale: ---------- The Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set currently has over 1000 known users in over 37 countries. The tools are freely available with source code by anonymous ftp and are actively maintained. There is also a very active mailing list which is used to provide support as outlined above. With the recent release of the SORCERER tool, traffic on the mailing list has increased substantially. The existing comp.compilers newsgroup provides a forum for general compiler-related issues, but is not intended to address tools issues or PCCTS specifically. The proposed newsgroup comp.compilers.pccts would provide a focused forum for the users of PCCTS to exchange information as outlined in the possible topics mentioned above. Upon creation of the newsgroup, the existing mailing list will be converted to a mail gateway to retain access for users unable to receive Usenet news. Charter: -------- comp.compilers.pccts is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve as a forum for all topics related to the installation, operation, and development of the Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set (PCCTS), including all of its current tools, as well as any which may be added in the future. Some of the topics to be discussed are: - How to obtain the PCCTS package. - Questions and answers on building and using the tools. - How to write an ANTLR/SORCERER grammar. - How to use Semantic/Syntactic predicates. - Announcement of conferences and workshops. - Ideas for Enhancements/New tools for the set. - Posting of sample grammars and lexclasses. Distribution: ------------- This RFD is being cross-posted to the following groups. Please relay this proposal to anyone you feel may be interested. news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.compilers In addition, this RFD is being posted to the existing pccts-users mailing list. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 05:56:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20178; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:56:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24055; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:26:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gateway.welch.jhu.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24049; Wed, 23 Mar 94 05:26:24 -0800 Received: by welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA25985; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:23:05 EST From: mhorn@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Melissa Horn) Message-Id: <9403231323.AA25985@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> Subject: To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 8:23:05 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] unsubscribe mhorn@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 06:25:13 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20687; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:25:13 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11419; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:02:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11413; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:02:26 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09714; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:02:18 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 23 Mar 94 14:52:25+0100 Date: 23 Mar 94 14:52:25+0100 From: Melissa Horn Message-Id: <623247*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , Pine Info From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 06:48:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21103; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:48:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24910; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:19:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from swix.nvg.unit.no by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24904; Wed, 23 Mar 94 06:19:10 -0800 Received: from trondviggo.nvg.unit.no by swix.nvg.unit.no with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0pjTlo-0005UoC; Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:18 MET Received: by trondviggo.nvg.unit.no (smallmail 0.5); Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:18:56 MET Message-Id: <29559.16277.764432336@trondviggo.nvg.unit.no> From: agulbra@nvg.unit.no Subject: RFD: comp.mail.pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:18:54 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1061 This is a private, unofficial RFD, in the sense that I'm tired of the "wouldn't a newsgroup be a good idea" on the pine-info mailing list. Here's an RFD, now D. The group would be unmoderated, cover use and development of the Pine mail user agent from Washington University, and take over from pine-info@cac.washington.edu. I don't know whether it should be gated to that list. If there's any agreement in news.groups that it's a good idea and a charter is established, I'll ask Ron Dippold to run the vote. If nobody cares, I'll unsubscribe to the mailing list and forget it. This RFD is sent to pine-info@cac.washington.edu in addition to the newsgroups in the header; the CFV should, too. --Arnt (Note for pine-info: RFD's are posted to a moderated group, news.announce.newsgroups, so the posting won't appear until Dave Lawrence approves it. Discussion (the D in RFD) takes place in news.groups, and if there's agreement on the group name and charter, a vote takes place. If you want a group, get on news.groups one of the next days and say it.) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 08:00:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22919; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:00:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12787; Wed, 23 Mar 94 07:37:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12759; Wed, 23 Mar 94 07:36:44 -0800 Received: from [131.111.10.53] [131.111.10.53] by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.28.1 #136) id m0pjUyx-000BzFC; Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:36 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 15:32:46 GMT From: Barry Landy Subject: Re: I think this went by a coupla weeks ago.... To: Terry Gray Cc: Ed Greshko , Pine Info X-Sender: bl10@bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > When will 3.90 be out. > > > We were just talking about schedules this morning, and didn't reach a > conclusion, except that it was definitely past next Tuesday :) > > Since there is still have more stuff we want to get in, I'm guessing > a Beta release in May or thereabouts. But that's a guess, and Mike > hasn't heard me say it before now... > "Early Spring" (a previous estimate) is clearly late this year :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:Barry.Landy@ucs.cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 08:44:12 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24085; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:44:12 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13439; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:14:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13433; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:14:55 -0800 Received: by mail.teleport.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.2) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:14 PST Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: nehalem Subject: Re: simple imapd question To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Nehalem PPP wrote: > > > I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate > > entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed > > to be done on the server side... > > > > from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a > > remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. > > Did you send a SIGHUP to your inetd process, or reboot your machine, > so that it will recognize the changes you made to the files? > Yes, actually, I did both. I recently set up a http server (but that was in standalone mode, not through inetd). Is it possible to run imapd in a "standalone" mode? What other items to look for? Thanks. >>-Darci-> (PS remove references to dlc@teleport.com or you'll get bounced! :-) -- ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) \/ About Me From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 09:12:19 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25673; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:12:19 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27203; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:39:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cc.lut.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27191; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:39:35 -0800 Received: (from goodgulf@localhost) by cc.lut.fi (8.6.8/8.6.6/1.16.kim) id SAA01526; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:39:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:39:28 +0300 (EETDST) From: Hannu Martikka Subject: HP-pine(3.89) & TZ To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! Hp-version of pine-3.89 sets Date:-header incorrecty. Our TZ (finland) is now +2 (EET), but in summer it will be +3(EETDST). Pine seems to think we're already in summer-timezone... Time (17:31) is correct. (8.6.5/8.6.5/1.12.kim) id RAA21960; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:13:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:13:51 +0300 (EETDST) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is incorrect! It should be +0200 (EET). -- Regards from Goodi From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 09:31:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26942; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:31:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14289; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14282; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:00:01 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08918; Wed, 23 Mar 94 08:59:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray Reply-To: Terry Gray To: Barry Landy Cc: Ed Greshko , Pine Info Subject: Re: Pine 3.90 schedule In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Barry Landy wrote: > > Since there is still have more stuff we want to get in, I'm guessing > > a Beta release in May or thereabouts. But that's a guess, and Mike > > hasn't heard me say it before now... > > > > "Early Spring" (a previous estimate) is clearly late this year :-) See, I *knew* I should never answer any question concerning dates! :) Clearly, we are better at design and coding than prediction; however, let me take this opportunity to jump further into the deep end... o First, I'll observe that May is still Spring in Seattle, and indeed up thru May 5th or so, perhaps even *early* Spring :) o Second, we are planning to use the term "Beta" for this upcoming release as a matter of Truth in Advertising and as an attempt to properly set expectations. It doesn't necessarily mean the code will be any worse than usual :), but we want to be clear that it will have a bunch of new features, and a corresponding number of new bugs to complement the bugs that are fixed in it. o Since Pine has now been ported to a lot more platforms than we use internally, we have discovered the concept of "platform-specific bugs". We want to be conservative in how the release is advertised, and that suggests that folks with different environments should have a chance to find some of those platform-specific bugs before the general populace assumes that a higher version number is in all respects superior to a lower one :) o Schedules are vaguely related to feature sets. We try to avoid committing to specific feature sets in releases (or schedules, for that matter!) so that if our internal estimates should ever prove overly optimistic (what??) we can "readjust" the goal without having to eat too much crow. In this case, there are still a few things we know you are all waiting for that aren't done yet, so --alas-- it won't be March, especially with IETF next week. Beyond that, we'll see. We have some local requirements that will prevent us from delaying this blessed event *too* much longer... So in short: "late this year" is probably when some very conservative folks will adopt this code, or its successor, but by then we certainly intend to have another new version with additional features to confuse the issue. On the other hand, *some* places will probably be running 3.90 in production before Spring is over. (Hey, *I'm* using it in production already... but then it did crash once yesterday :) -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 09:44:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27623; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:44:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28278; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:21:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28272; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:21:29 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18808; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:21:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Nehalem PPP Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: simple imapd question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you restart inetd (kill -HUP)? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Nehalem PPP wrote: > > Hello, all- > > I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate > entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed > to be done on the server side... > > from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a > remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. > > Any help greatly appreciated! > > >>-Darci-> (dlc@gasco.com is best) > > ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com > \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" > \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! > \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) > \/ About Me > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 10:09:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28627; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:09:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15101; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:30:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15093; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:30:52 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19000; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:30:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:30:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: nehalem Cc: dlc@gasco.com, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: simple imapd question In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oops, I should have read the followups :) Yes, you can run imapd standalone. The following is a sample: shiva1_783:pine% /usr/local/etc/imapd * PREAUTH shiva1.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.6(74) at Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) * logout * BYE shiva1.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis server terminating connection * OK LOGOUT completed This should work either local to the server or telnetting to port 143. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, nehalem wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Nehalem PPP wrote: > > > > > I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate > > > entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed > > > to be done on the server side... > > > > > > from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a > > > remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. > > > > Did you send a SIGHUP to your inetd process, or reboot your machine, > > so that it will recognize the changes you made to the files? > > > > Yes, actually, I did both. I recently set up a http server (but that was > in standalone mode, not through inetd). Is it possible to run imapd in > a "standalone" mode? What other items to look for? > > Thanks. > > >>-Darci-> > > (PS remove references to dlc@teleport.com or you'll get bounced! :-) > > -- > ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com > \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" > \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! > \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) > \/ About Me > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 10:20:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28888; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:20:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28794; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:43:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28788; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:43:21 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19471; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:43:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: nehalem , nehalem@teleport.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Darci, The next release of Pine will support the reply-to header. You can change the domain by setting "user-domain=gasco.com" in your .pinerc file. I have also heard of people editing postponed messages and using kludges with procmail... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, nehalem wrote: > > Hello, all- > > I'm in desperate need of a Reply-To line! I'm dialing up via ppp and > accessing my remote mail over the ppp line. The problem is that my > local uid is one thing, and my remote uid another. I have no problems > getting my remote mail with this other uid but sending email is turning > out to hellish because it looks like it comes from dlc@teleport.com > (non existant) instead of nehalem@teleport.com (hint, don't use > dlc@teleport.com if you reply to this). Assuming the two uid's are > never in sync, what can I do? > > Once again, pointers/suggestions will receive my deep gratitude! > > >>-Darci-> > > -- > ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com > \ --/--- Bumpersticker of the Week: "Support Mental Health or I'll Kill You" > \ \/ / Don't support discrimination -- don't support the OCA! > \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) > \/ About Me > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 10:36:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29451; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:36:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29107; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:58:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29101; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:58:33 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19960; Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:58:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Ken Weaverling Cc: J_CERNY@unhh.unh.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Where was idea of a pine USENENT newsgroup left?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Item (3) should not be a problem. I may not get to it quite as diligently as the mailing list, but I will definitely participate. I'll add a question 1a) If there is not a bi-directional gateway, how do you clearly distinguish between the charters of the list and newsgroup? Some way to minimize the cross-posting would be essential! |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ken Weaverling wrote: > > There has been several bursts of discussion about creating > > a pine USENET newsgroup as an alternative way to distribute > > pine-info. What became of that? Was that a yes/no/maybe? > > I originally said I would step y'all through the procedure, in case > the readers here aren't used to the rules of newsgroup creation. > > The things we need to do though, before an RFD is issued (request for > discussion) on news.announce.newsgroups is: > > 1) Decide if the group will be gated to the mailing list, and if so, who > will handle this. My site isn't a logical choice for this since we a leaf > site at the end of a 56K link. > > 2) Decide the name (comp.mail.pine sounds good to me) > > 3) Get a committment from the pine developers to participate in the > group (not run it, just read and post) like they do here. That will add > a lot of value to it. Note that if it is gated to the mailing list, this > is a moot point. > > 4) Write the RFD that will be submitted to n.a.n. Decide what other groups > the RFD should be cross-posted to. (news.groups, comp.mail.misc, > comp.mail.elm -- whoops, sorry, Pine Is Not Elm -- forgot! :-) > > > Below is an RFD for another group I scarfed from n.a.n. The RFD should > somewhat match the below one, including things like moderation status > (un-moderated), group charter, and rationale for wanting it (why is the > mailing list not a viable solution anymore for many, etc...) > > > Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.misc > Subject: RFD: comp.compilers.pccts > Followup-To: news.groups > Date: 22 Mar 1994 17:14:43 -0500 > > Request For Discussion (RFD): comp.compilers.pccts > > This message seeks to initiate a discussion on the creation of a > new USENET newsgroup "comp.compilers.pccts" as described below. > Discussion should take place in news.groups. Anyone interested in the topic > is encouraged to participate. > > Purpose: > -------- > This newsgroup would be for discussion of tools used in compiler > construction, specifically those which are bundled into the software package > known as PCCTS (Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set). Currently this set of > tools includes DLG for lexical analysis, ANTLR for syntax analysis and parsing, > and SORCERER for tree parsing. Possible topics include exchange of information > on getting, building, installing, and using the tools, broadcasting examples, > bug reports and patches, suggestions for enhancements, and new tools to be > added to the set. > > Rationale: > ---------- > The Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set currently has over 1000 > known users in over 37 countries. The tools are freely available with > source code by anonymous ftp and are actively maintained. There is also a very > active mailing list which is used to provide support as outlined above. With > the recent release of the SORCERER tool, traffic on the mailing list has > increased substantially. The existing comp.compilers newsgroup provides a forum > for general compiler-related issues, but is not intended to address tools issues > or PCCTS specifically. The proposed newsgroup comp.compilers.pccts would provide > a focused forum for the users of PCCTS to exchange information as outlined in > the possible topics mentioned above. Upon creation of the newsgroup, the > existing mailing list will be converted to a mail gateway to retain access for > users unable to receive Usenet news. > > Charter: > -------- > comp.compilers.pccts is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve as a > forum for all topics related to the installation, operation, and development > of the Purdue Compiler Construction Tool Set (PCCTS), including all of its > current tools, as well as any which may be added in the future. Some of the > topics to be discussed are: > > - How to obtain the PCCTS package. > > - Questions and answers on building and using the tools. > > - How to write an ANTLR/SORCERER grammar. > > - How to use Semantic/Syntactic predicates. > > - Announcement of conferences and workshops. > > - Ideas for Enhancements/New tools for the set. > > - Posting of sample grammars and lexclasses. > > Distribution: > ------------- > This RFD is being cross-posted to the following groups. Please relay > this proposal to anyone you feel may be interested. > > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.compilers > > In addition, this RFD is being posted to the existing pccts-users > mailing list. > > > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 10:45:45 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29869; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:45:45 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15928; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:08:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15920; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:08:41 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20455; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:07:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Hannu Martikka Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: HP-pine(3.89) & TZ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hannu, Thanks for the report! This is a known bug that will be fixed in the next release of Pine. --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Hannu Martikka wrote: > Hi! > > Hp-version of pine-3.89 sets Date:-header incorrecty. > Our TZ (finland) is now +2 (EET), but in summer it will be +3(EETDST). > Pine seems to think we're already in summer-timezone... > Time (17:31) is correct. > > (8.6.5/8.6.5/1.12.kim) id RAA21960; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:13:52 +0200 > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:13:51 +0300 (EETDST) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > This is incorrect! > It should be +0200 (EET). > -- > Regards from Goodi > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 11:30:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01317; Wed, 23 Mar 94 11:30:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00164; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:44:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gasco.gasco.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00158; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:43:56 -0800 Received: by gasco.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.4) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:43 PST Received: by gasco.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:43 PST From: dlc@gasco.com (Darci Chapman, Paradise Cowgirl x5930) Message-Id: <9403231043.ZM5818@gasco.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:43:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: David L Miller "Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89" (Mar 23, 9:43) References: Reply-To: dlc@gasco.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.0 10/27/92) To: David L Miller Subject: Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu +On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, nehalem wrote: + +> +> Hello, all- +> +> I'm in desperate need of a Reply-To line! I'm dialing up via ppp and +> accessing my remote mail over the ppp line. The problem is that my +> local uid is one thing, and my remote uid another. I have no problems +> getting my remote mail with this other uid but sending email is turning +> out to hellish because it looks like it comes from dlc@teleport.com +> (non existant) instead of nehalem@teleport.com (hint, don't use +> dlc@teleport.com if you reply to this). Assuming the two uid's are +> never in sync, what can I do? +> +> Once again, pointers/suggestions will receive my deep gratitude! +> +> >>-Darci-> >From the keyboard of David L Miller: + +Darci, + +The next release of Pine will support the reply-to header. You can +change the domain by setting "user-domain=gasco.com" in your .pinerc +file. I have also heard of people editing postponed messages and using +kludges with procmail... + +--DLM Hello, David- Thanks for the response, however... The problem isn't the domain name--I want mail to go to teleport.com --but the user id. On my local system where I run pine, I'm dlc. On the dial up host end (where my mail really gets sent from and where I really want replies to go), I'm nehalem. Pine is stamping my email as from: dlc@teleport.com -- I want nehalem@teleport.com... Any other suggestions? >>-Darci-> or helpful hints? -- ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com \ --/--- Boycott Rush Limbaugh oranges! \ \/ /Don't support discrimination and bigotry -- don't support the OCA! \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) \/ About Me "What would happen if the far right held a campaign and nobody came?" -Lee Lynch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 11:37:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01486; Wed, 23 Mar 94 11:37:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16880; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:59:13 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16874; Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:59:11 -0800 Received: from localhost by helix.nih.gov (8.6.4/1.35(helix-1.0)) id NAA18128; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:59:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:59:09 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Troxel Subject: Editing of inbound messages? To: Pine Discussion List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yet another feature request: Would it be possible to enable editing of an inbound message? Of particular interest is the ability to justify paragraphs with long lines, for easier reading. Thanks, Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 12:50:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03925; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:50:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18617; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:31:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18611; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:31:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23920; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:30:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: dlc@gasco.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: <9403231043.ZM5818@gasco.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm afraid that is about all I have to offer. We are hoping to get the next release of Pine ready for Beta release around May..... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 dlc@gasco.com wrote: > > +On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, nehalem wrote: > + > +> > +> Hello, all- > +> > +> I'm in desperate need of a Reply-To line! I'm dialing up via ppp and > +> accessing my remote mail over the ppp line. The problem is that my > +> local uid is one thing, and my remote uid another. I have no problems > +> getting my remote mail with this other uid but sending email is turning > +> out to hellish because it looks like it comes from dlc@teleport.com > +> (non existant) instead of nehalem@teleport.com (hint, don't use > +> dlc@teleport.com if you reply to this). Assuming the two uid's are > +> never in sync, what can I do? > +> > +> Once again, pointers/suggestions will receive my deep gratitude! > +> > +> >>-Darci-> > > >From the keyboard of David L Miller: > > + > +Darci, > + > +The next release of Pine will support the reply-to header. You can > +change the domain by setting "user-domain=gasco.com" in your .pinerc > +file. I have also heard of people editing postponed messages and using > +kludges with procmail... > + > +--DLM > > Hello, David- > > > Thanks for the response, however... > > The problem isn't the domain name--I want mail to go to teleport.com > --but the user id. On my local system where I run pine, I'm dlc. On > the dial up host end (where my mail really gets sent from and where I really > want replies to go), I'm nehalem. Pine is stamping my email as from: > dlc@teleport.com -- I want nehalem@teleport.com... Any other suggestions? > > >>-Darci-> > > or helpful hints? > > -- > ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com > \ --/--- Boycott Rush Limbaugh oranges! > \ \/ /Don't support discrimination and bigotry -- don't support the OCA! > \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) > \/ About Me > "What would happen if the far right held a campaign and nobody came?" -Lee Lynch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 12:53:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04024; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:53:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18647; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:32:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from suma2.rdg.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18635; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:32:13 -0800 Received: from reading.ac.uk by mail.reading.ac.uk with SMTP - Local (PP) id <23372-0@mail.reading.ac.uk>; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:32:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:31:51 GMT From: John Stumbles Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine To: agulbra@nvg.unit.no Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Sender: suqstmbl@suma1.rdg.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <29559.16277.764432336@trondviggo.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 agulbra@nvg.unit.no wrote: > > If there's any agreement in news.groups that it's a good idea and a > charter is established, I'll ask Ron Dippold to run the vote. If > nobody cares, I'll unsubscribe to the mailing list and forget it. > > > (Note for pine-info: RFD's are posted to a moderated group, > news.announce.newsgroups, so the posting won't appear until Dave > Lawrence approves it. Discussion (the D in RFD) takes place in > news.groups, and if there's agreement on the group name and charter, > a vote takes place. If you want a group, get on news.groups one of > the next days and say it.) I'm in favour of a newsgroup. Please pass this on: at the moment my news is read-only so I can't say so myself (shouldn't be that way, but until I find out what went wrong in my news setup my posting is to /dev/nul :-( John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk University of Reading 0734 318435 Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 12:54:57 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04097; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:54:57 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02015; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:25:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02009; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:25:37 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23745; Wed, 23 Mar 94 12:25:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Rick Troxel Cc: Pine Discussion List Subject: Re: Editing of inbound messages? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rick, This is already on the list for future consideration. Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Rick Troxel wrote: > Yet another feature request: Would it be possible to enable editing of > an inbound message? Of particular interest is the ability to justify > paragraphs with long lines, for easier reading. > > Thanks, > > Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his > heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and > the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 13:50:58 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06399; Wed, 23 Mar 94 13:50:58 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03530; Wed, 23 Mar 94 13:27:57 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from lykos.netpart.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03516; Wed, 23 Mar 94 13:27:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (phil@localhost) by lykos.netpart.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA06793; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:22:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Trubey Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 agulbra@nvg.unit.no wrote: > This is a private, unofficial RFD, in the sense that I'm tired of > the "wouldn't a newsgroup be a good idea" on the pine-info mailing > list. Here's an RFD, now D. > > The group would be unmoderated, cover use and development of the > Pine mail user agent from Washington University, and take over from > pine-info@cac.washington.edu. I don't know whether it should be > gated to that list. I would think this should be essential - at least for the first while. Unless this gatewaying is done you will have to follow *two* info sources for info on pine as not all people will be able to migrate from e-mail to USENET. Ken Weaverling mentioned that he might offer to act as the mail/news gateway except that his site is at the end of a 56 kbps pipe - actually, I don't see how this is a major problem if your site on the Internet - message propagation times are very fast (you should be able to turn around e-mails into postings in a few minutes and vice versa) and there isn't a lot of volume to in this mailing list - and all you're doing to your leaf node is increasing the link utilization that this mailing list takes up by a factor of two - a drop in the bucket compared to a reasonable USENET feed. In fact *I'll* volunteer to act as as a mail/usenet gateway if no one else is up to the task - I too have a 56 kbps Internet leaf node. BTW, I agree with the name comp.mail.pine - it is the only logical choice given the current USENET mail group hierarchy. FYI, the others are: comp.mail.elm Discussion and fixes for ELM mail system. comp.mail.headers Gatewayed from the Internet header-people list. comp.mail.maps Various maps, including UUCP maps. (Moderated) comp.mail.mh The UCI version of the Rand Message Handling system. comp.mail.mime Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions of RFC 1341. comp.mail.misc General discussions about computer mail. comp.mail.multi-media Multimedia Mail. comp.mail.mush The Mail User's Shell (MUSH). comp.mail.sendmail Configuring and using the BSD sendmail agent. comp.mail.uucp Mail in the uucp network environment. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Trubey | NetPartners | | Providing independent consulting in the E-mail: phil@netpart.com | application of Internet technology Phone: 714-759-1641 | Fax: 714-644-0577 | ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 14:35:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07512; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:35:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04372; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:08:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04360; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:08:39 -0800 Received: from marimba.cellbio.duke.edu by duke.cs.duke.edu (5.65/3.8G/4.1.3) id AA29147; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:08:37 -0500 Received: by marimba.cellbio.duke.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @duke.cs.duke.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA01248; Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:08:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 17:08:37 -0500 From: zhang@marimba.cellbio.duke.edu (Martin Zhang) Message-Id: <9403232208.AA01248@marimba.cellbio.duke.edu> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu unsubscribe zhang@marimba.cellbio.duke.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 15:15:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08769; Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:15:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21470; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:58:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21464; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:58:22 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09870; Wed, 23 Mar 94 14:58:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Hubert To: agulbra@nvg.unit.no Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine In-Reply-To: <29559.16277.764432336@trondviggo.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 agulbra@nvg.unit.no wrote: > The group would be unmoderated, cover use and development of the > Pine mail user agent from Washington University, and take over from > pine-info@cac.washington.edu. I don't know whether it should be > gated to that list. I just wanted to clear up one minor point. Actually, we're the University of Washington (in Seattle, Washington) not Washington University (which is in St. Louis). Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 16:27:55 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10631; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:27:55 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22776; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:10:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22760; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:10:17 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA00390; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:10:04 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA02891; Thu, 24 Mar 94 08:10:12 +0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 08:10:11 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: simple imapd question To: nehalem Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, nehalem wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Nehalem PPP wrote: > > > > > I followed he instructions for installing imapd (made the appropriate > > > entries in /etc/services and /etc/inetd); I'm assuming this only needed > > > to be done on the server side... > > > > > > from pine (v. 3.89) I get "connection refused" when trying to access a > > > remote INBOX. Am I missing something? This is on SunOS 4.1.3 for the server. > > > > Did you send a SIGHUP to your inetd process, or reboot your machine, > > so that it will recognize the changes you made to the files? > > > > Yes, actually, I did both. I recently set up a http server (but that was > in standalone mode, not through inetd). Is it possible to run imapd in > a "standalone" mode? What other items to look for? Do you really mean you edited /etc/inetd? It should be /etc/inetd.conf. Regards, Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 16:31:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10743; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:31:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06536; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:08:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pear.wustl.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06530; Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:08:28 -0800 Received: by pear.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA06919; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:03:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:02:56 -0600 (CST) From: "G. H. Chinoy" Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine To: Steve Hubert Cc: agulbra@nvg.unit.no, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Steve Hubert wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 agulbra@nvg.unit.no wrote: > > > The group would be unmoderated, cover use and development of the > > Pine mail user agent from Washington University, and take over from > > pine-info@cac.washington.edu. I don't know whether it should be > > gated to that list. > > I just wanted to clear up one minor point. Actually, we're the > University of Washington (in Seattle, Washington) not Washington > University (which is in St. Louis). > > Steve Hubert > Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle > > Although, we do use Pine here and love it! Hussain Chinoy Asst. System Administrator, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab Cupples I, Room 213 Washington University in St. Louis (314) 935-4353 fruitaid@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 23 18:28:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14167; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:28:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25014; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:10:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25008; Wed, 23 Mar 94 18:10:05 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA00710; Wed, 23 Mar 94 20:09:50 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA23981; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:56:12 +0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 09:56:12 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Reply-To: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: RFD: comp.mail.pine To: agulbra@nvg.unit.no Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <29559.16277.764432336@trondviggo.nvg.unit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Mar 1994 agulbra@nvg.unit.no wrote: > This is a private, unofficial RFD, in the sense that I'm tired of > the "wouldn't a newsgroup be a good idea" on the pine-info mailing > list. Here's an RFD, now D. > > The group would be unmoderated, cover use and development of the > Pine mail user agent from Washington University, and take over from > pine-info@cac.washington.edu. I don't know whether it should be > gated to that list. If a newsgroup is established I'd hope (expect) that a di-directional gate be set up between the newsgroup and pine-info@cac.washington.edu. Some of us don't get news. Ed From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 07:00:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24527; Thu, 24 Mar 94 07:00:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18685; Thu, 24 Mar 94 06:29:23 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gmdzi.gmd.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18679; Thu, 24 Mar 94 06:29:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by gmdzi.gmd.de with SMTP id AA05657 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:29:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199403241429.AA05657@gmdzi.gmd.de> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Cc: bruening@gmdzi.gmd.de Subject: Info on pine Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 15:29:14 +0100 From: Inke.Bruening@gmd.de X-Mts: smtp Hi, while looking for a new mailreader which is able to compose and read MIME mail I just heard about pine. Could you please give me some more information about pine? Thanks in advance, Inke Bruening ************************************************************ Inke Bruening National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD) - Network Engineering - D-53754 Sankt Augustin e-mail: bruening@gmd.de ************************************************************ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 08:01:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25834; Thu, 24 Mar 94 08:01:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19752; Thu, 24 Mar 94 07:40:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19746; Thu, 24 Mar 94 07:40:12 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12589; Thu, 24 Mar 94 07:40:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Inke.Bruening@gmd.de Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, bruening@gmdzi.gmd.de Subject: Re: Info on pine In-Reply-To: <199403241429.AA05657@gmdzi.gmd.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Inke, I will send you some info separately. -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 09:51:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29869; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:51:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21754; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:14:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21748; Thu, 24 Mar 94 09:14:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA15731; Thu, 24 Mar 1994 09:15:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 09:14:20 -0800 (PST) From: Joe James Subject: How To Subscribe? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How do you subscribe to the Pine mailing list? --------------------------------------------------- Christians Online Organization Internet jbjames@netcom.com CompuServe 71054,3202 Prodigy KBSM15D Livermore, CA Packet Radio N6OYX @ N6QMY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA --------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 11:06:08 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02399; Thu, 24 Mar 94 11:06:08 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23614; Thu, 24 Mar 94 10:44:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23608; Thu, 24 Mar 94 10:44:13 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11193; Thu, 24 Mar 94 10:44:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 10:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Cc: Pine Lista Subject: Re: problemns with pine... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ippokratis, Pine 3.89 is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in the mail directory. It sounds like you have some other mail application running on your system that is modifying your INBOX without bothering to check file locks. Do you know if your INBOX is NFS mounted? Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Ippokraths Karakasoglou wrote: > I ve been using Pine 3.88 ( I cant find 3.89 ) 2 months now. During the > las week I ve faced many different small problems. The most serious and > most constant of all seems to be the one I m facing now... every 10 > minutes pine tells me " Folder shrank from **** to **** bytes, aborted " > ; and after that every message goes blank, so I have to leave and reenter > pine... The folders seem unchanged after that, although i have had some > minor problems with them a few days ago... > > Thank you. > > > Ippokratis > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 15:06:54 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10125; Thu, 24 Mar 94 15:06:54 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28686; Thu, 24 Mar 94 14:29:34 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28680; Thu, 24 Mar 94 14:29:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (rwilkins@localhost) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1) id OAA29639; Thu, 24 Mar 1994 14:29:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Wilkins Subject: subscribe To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe -- Bob Wilkins work bwilkins@cave.org Berkeley, California home rwilkins@ccnet.com 94701-0710 play n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.us.noam From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 24 19:13:00 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16559; Thu, 24 Mar 94 19:13:00 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03840; Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:55:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nic.cic.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03834; Thu, 24 Mar 94 18:55:49 -0800 Received: (from holbrook@localhost) by nic.cic.net (8.6.7/8.6.6) id VAA00897; Thu, 24 Mar 1994 21:55:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 21:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Holbrook Subject: Re: pine not quitting on HUP To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe Brennan reported a problem with Pine exiting properly. Iwant to note that we've seen this problem quite freqently, on the order of several times per week on our system of nearly 500 accounts. We did report this to the Pine folk, but since we haven't been able to replicate it (or even get accurate reports of when it occurs), we haven't gotten anywhere on getting it fixed. All of our users are dial-up coming from terminal servers, so the general scenario you described of having connections dropped during message composition sounds quite plausible. I encourage you to continue your investigations and report them to the Pine developers. I would love to see a fix for this problem; I'm contemplating having a .logout file check for lingering pine processes. I've already got a custom script that users can run if they get a Pine hang. It's a rather nasty blemish on an excellent program. J. Paul Holbrook CICNet Network Services Manager holbrook@cic.net (313) 998-7680 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 02:20:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22513; Fri, 25 Mar 94 02:20:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09459; Fri, 25 Mar 94 01:58:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09447; Fri, 25 Mar 94 01:58:16 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id BAA11002; Fri, 25 Mar 1994 01:59:19 -0800 From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Message-Id: <199403250959.BAA11002@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Automatic Outgoing Message Save To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine@cac.washington.edu Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 01:59:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 275 How do I configure pine so that outgoing mail will be saved in my Mail folder in a file with the same name as the recipient, rather than in the generic "sent-mail"? -- Thanks, Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com U.S. Computer Saratoga, CA 95070 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 05:30:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25731; Fri, 25 Mar 94 05:30:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12093; Fri, 25 Mar 94 05:11:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12087; Fri, 25 Mar 94 05:11:29 -0800 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18355; Fri, 25 Mar 94 15:11:15 +0200 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10211; Fri, 25 Mar 94 15:11:14 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:11:13 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Subject: Re: Automatic Outgoing Message Save To: Will Estes Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <199403250959.BAA11002@netcom9.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Will Estes wrote: > How do I configure pine so that outgoing mail will be saved in my > Mail folder in a file with the same name as the recipient, rather > than in the generic "sent-mail"? ^R for rich headers IN THE HEADER AREA, then edit the Fcc: there is no mechanism that would automatically insert anything else than "sent-mail" there (or default-fcc variable) this mechanism would be difficult to implement: - you need a rule syntax in .pinerc and code to parse it - you need code to parse the To: header and match against rules - you need some rules to determine where to save when there are multiple recipients, and all have defined save-folders, multiple fcc copies don't make sense elm has this feature, enabled by setting 'savename', but it only checks the name up to @. It is possible that different people have same login names in different systems, so this is dumb. Also in elm the folder name is the same as login name, you can't change this, which is dumb. Suppose you want to save mail addressed to a certain group of people to same folder. Of course you can link the folder to multiple names, but this gets confusing in the long run. And your folder list will be a mess. -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 07:14:53 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26875; Fri, 25 Mar 94 07:14:53 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13287; Fri, 25 Mar 94 06:46:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from watsun.cc.columbia.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13277; Fri, 25 Mar 94 06:46:51 -0800 Received: by watsun.cc.columbia.edu id AA19980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:46:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 9:46:25 EST From: Joe Brennan To: Paul Holbrook Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine not quitting on HUP In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 24 Mar 1994 21:55:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: J. Paul Holbrook wrote-- > Joe Brennan reported a problem with Pine exiting properly. > Iwant to note that we've seen this problem quite freqently, on the order > of several times per week on our system of nearly 500 accounts. We have 9000 accounts on a cluster of 8 Suns (5 login timeshares, 2 file servers, 1 mailhub). We saw 20 problems per day. This did not happen with pine 3.05, the previous version we used. The fix described to pine-bugs by Marg Suarez of our staff has dropped that to less than 1 per day. We could not replicate the problem either and relied on the .pine-debug files, gdb, and asking people until we got a few who had clear memories. You have to get disconnected just when pine is doing an "important" operation like a file write. It could probably be replicated if you have the patience to try over and over. It wasn't clear to me what was being done with our fix. Hey guys, do you want the diffs Marg offered? Will this be in the next version? Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems Columbia University in the City of New York brennan@columbia.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 09:03:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29530; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:03:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29305; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:24:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29297; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:24:10 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00209; Fri, 25 Mar 94 08:23:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 08:23:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Ian Leiman Cc: Will Estes , Pine Info Subject: Re: Automatic Outgoing Message Save In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A slightly less ambitious version of this is on our list of future enhancements. It may or may not make it into 3.90, but it should come soon... |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Ian Leiman wrote: > On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Will Estes wrote: > > > How do I configure pine so that outgoing mail will be saved in my > > Mail folder in a file with the same name as the recipient, rather > > than in the generic "sent-mail"? > > ^R for rich headers IN THE HEADER AREA, then edit the Fcc: > there is no mechanism that would automatically insert anything else than > "sent-mail" there (or default-fcc variable) > this mechanism would be difficult to implement: > - you need a rule syntax in .pinerc and code to parse it > - you need code to parse the To: header and match against rules > - you need some rules to determine where to save when there are multiple > recipients, and all have defined save-folders, multiple fcc copies don't > make sense > > elm has this feature, enabled by setting 'savename', but it only checks > the name up to @. It is possible that different people have same login > names in different systems, so this is dumb. Also in elm the folder name > is the same as login name, you can't change this, which is dumb. Suppose > you want to save mail addressed to a certain group of people to same > folder. Of course you can link the folder to multiple names, but this > gets confusing in the long run. And your folder list will be a mess. > > -- > Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 > ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com > homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 09:40:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01285; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:40:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15900; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:05:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15894; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:05:33 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA08172; Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:06:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joe James Subject: Organization Line Automatically In Header? To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there any way to configure Pine to automatically insert an organization line in your header? --------------------------------------------------- Internet jbjames@netcom.com CompuServe 71054,3202 Prodigy KBSM15D Livermore, CA Packet Radio N6OYX @ N6QMY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA --------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 10:11:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02258; Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:11:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16736; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:47:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16730; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:47:20 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02290; Fri, 25 Mar 94 09:47:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Joe James Cc: Pine Lista Subject: Re: Organization Line Automatically In Header? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, Not currently, but we are working on that capability for Pine 3.90. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Joe James wrote: > Is there any way to configure Pine to automatically insert an organization > line in your header? > > --------------------------------------------------- > Internet jbjames@netcom.com CompuServe 71054,3202 > Prodigy KBSM15D Livermore, CA > Packet Radio N6OYX @ N6QMY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA > --------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 10:50:27 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03347; Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:50:27 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17374; Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:18:12 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from elwha.evergreen.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17368; Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:18:09 -0800 Received: by elwha.evergreen.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26547; Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:23:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 10:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Pollock Reply-To: Joe Pollock Subject: Re: pine not quitting on HUP To: Joe Brennan Cc: Paul Holbrook , pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII We're seeing this same problem on a regular basis, also. It was quite common in 3.07, and still seems to be happening in 3.89, although because of Spring Break this rev is still untested by the masses... :-) It's most common on modem dial-ups. The two major factors seem to be user error and data communication problems. 1. Our users, when confronted with a screen of garbage or non-response from their session, respond with a push of the reset button or hanging up of connection. I keep working on this, but have had little success. Ususlly, they will try some random sequence of ctrl-c, ctrl-z, ctrl-q, ctrl-d, esc, - everything they have ever used to get out of a program. They are NOT comfortable with UNIX. They don't understand the concept of logging off, and that turning off their computer doesn't do that for them. 2. If there is a severe data communication disruption, such as 9600 baud modems attempting to renegotiate the connection because of line noise, pine (actually, usually pico) hangs, and the connection breaks anyway, leaving a hung session that can often be captured by the next dial-in on that port. And this kind of disruption happens quite often, usually when someone picks up an extension on the modem line. My guess is that the random data spewed out during a modem renegotiation puts pico into just the state required to generate a hang. In fairness to the Pine folks, though, it should be noted that much of UNIX is vulnerable to severe errors from random data entry. Interestingly, the lock behavior of Pine 3.89 appears to exacerbate the problem. At least with the older versions users were confronted with a locked inbox when they logged back in, and knew they had a problem. Now they just go on their way, and never realize they have another session active. I've considered a process check at login, but need to think carefully about it to avoid confusing the issue further. This begins to depart a bit from pine-related information, but may help some sites with this problem. We have a very complicated data-communications path - the dial-up modems are on a Micom data PBX which connects users to the terminal servers. Although the connections appear correct, and a static hangup works fine, as does unplugging the phone line, etc., during a renegotiation attempt the resulting race conditions appear to break the hangup sequence, and the result is that the connection is maintained from the modem through the PBX and the terminal server. The only connection dropped is the phone line. We plan to eliminate the Micom this summer, and go to modems directly on a terminal server in the hope of eliminating this problem. I have some doubts, however. My users have never failed to find a way to generate totally-unanticipated errors. Joe Pollock The Evergreen State College Olympia, WA 98505 On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > J. Paul Holbrook wrote-- > > Joe Brennan reported a problem with Pine exiting properly. > > Iwant to note that we've seen this problem quite freqently, on the order > > of several times per week on our system of nearly 500 accounts. > > We have 9000 accounts on a cluster of 8 Suns (5 login timeshares, 2 > file servers, 1 mailhub). We saw 20 problems per day. This did not > happen with pine 3.05, the previous version we used. The fix > described to pine-bugs by Marg Suarez of our staff has dropped that to > less than 1 per day. > > We could not replicate the problem either and relied on the > .pine-debug files, gdb, and asking people until we got a few who had > clear memories. You have to get disconnected just when pine is doing > an "important" operation like a file write. It could probably be > replicated if you have the patience to try over and over. > > It wasn't clear to me what was being done with our fix. Hey guys, do > you want the diffs Marg offered? Will this be in the next version? > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 11:35:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04738; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:35:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18580; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:14:43 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mail.swip.net by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18574; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:14:39 -0800 Received: by mail.swip.net (8.6.8/2.01) id UAA14896; Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:14:34 +0100 Received: by datan.sk.uppsala.se (4.1/Uppsala-930825-1) id AA27068; Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:13:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:13:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9403251913.AA27068@datan.sk.uppsala.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Klaus Zeuge To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: default-bcc ? There is a variable defulat-fcc in the .pinerc, but there doesn't to be any counterpart to set a default BCC field in the messages one sends. Am I doing something wrong here, or is there a way to BCC all messages I send to myself too? (No, I don't like using FCC if I can help it; also pressing C-r to manually enter my address in the BCC field while composing a new message is cumbersome and error prone). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 12:09:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06117; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:09:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19213; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:44:33 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19205; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:44:31 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04873; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:44:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 11:44:15 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Klaus Zeuge Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: default-bcc ? In-Reply-To: <9403251913.AA27068@datan.sk.uppsala.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Klaus, We were just discussing header customization when your request arrived. The next release of Pine will have this capability. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > > There is a variable defulat-fcc in the .pinerc, but there doesn't to > be any counterpart to set a default BCC field in the messages one > sends. > > Am I doing something wrong here, or is there a way to BCC all messages > I send to myself too? (No, I don't like using FCC if I can help it; > also pressing C-r to manually enter my address in the BCC field while > composing a new message is cumbersome and error prone). From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 12:19:04 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06410; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:19:04 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03716; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:57:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from guava.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03708; Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:57:36 -0800 Received: by guava.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA08635; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:58:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:53:55 -0600 (CST) From: "G. H. Chinoy" Subject: errors using 3.87 on NeXT 3.0 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We're attempting to place a restricted shell on users whose accounts are going to be deleted, but we'd like them to still be able to use pine. Pine, unfortunately, won't send a letter, outputing an error: sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: restricted sh: /bin/rm: restricted Our restricted shell is replacing /bin/csh as a shell: /bin/lvl1rsh: #!/bin/csh clear cat /usr/local/bin/lvl1messsage /usr/bin/sleep 15 clear /bin/csh I didn't think it was too complicated to just place a message (lvl1message) about impending account deletion and then drop users into a normal shell, but apparently pine does. Any ideas? NeXT 3.0 (bsd 4.3), Pine 3.87 Hussain ________________________________ G. Hussain Chinoy Asst. System Administrator Washington University, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab Cupples I, Room 213 314.935.4353 hussain@artsci.wustl.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 12:25:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06644; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:25:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03796; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:01:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03790; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:01:03 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05202; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:00:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 12:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Daniel P. Joy" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: l after pine In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Daniel, I have a similar alias but have not seen or heard of this problem before. If you can isolate it further or figure out how to reproduce it, please let us know! Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Daniel P. Joy wrote: > > I have aliased l to be ls -CF. Sometimes when I exit pine I get a directory > listing in the format of ls -CF. The history command does not show a ls. > Any ideas? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Daniel Joy > Systems Manager Internet: joy@howie.swmed.edu > Howard Hughes Medical Institute BITNET: joy@utsw > UT Southwestern Medical School Phone: (214) 648-5034 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 12:26:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06676; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:26:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19805; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:07:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19799; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:07:47 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05282; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:07:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 12:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Joe Brennan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Lookup in /etc/passwd In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe, I don't see a way to get what you want without some hacking either. Unfortunately some of the comments in the code are very ancient and have not reflected reality for a few years... ;) Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, Joe Brennan wrote: > In init.c, I see the following comment, regarding the domain variables: > > 3. When expanding/fully-qualifying unqualified addresses during > composition when a local entry in the password file exists for > name. > If no userdomain is given, then this lookup is always done. > Localdomain or hostname is used to qualify this address. > If userdomain matches localdomain then the local lookup is > done and localdomain is used on these addresses. Pine may > also be configured to do local lookup even if the user > has placed himself in another domain. In that case the lookup > is kind of a strange thing to do, but if so desirest... > > We seem to have that strange case here. The sending hosts have names > like bonjour.cc.columbia.edu, but we want the From line of outgoing > mail (and replies) to use just columbia.edu, our central mail hub. We > have the user-domain set to columbia.edu in the pine.conf. We can't > use use-only-domain-name because we are removing the first *two* parts > of the real hostname. > > So what's the way to configure pine do local lookup in /etc/passwd? > I can't identify a way short of hacking the code a little. Maybe that > isn't what the quoted text refers to? > > Thanks, > > Joseph Brennan Academic Information Systems > Columbia University in the City of New York > brennan@columbia.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 12:55:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07660; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:55:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20285; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:31:16 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20279; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:31:14 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05465; Fri, 25 Mar 94 12:31:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 12:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "G. H. Chinoy" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: errors using 3.87 on NeXT 3.0 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hussain, Pine does invoke external programs for several operations, including the calls to sendmail and rm when sending mail. The particular problem with sending could be avoided by setting the smtp-server variable in a special pine.conf file then alias pine to "pine -P restricted.pine.conf". Printing can also encounter a similar problem... I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, G. H. Chinoy wrote: > > We're attempting to place a restricted shell on users whose accounts > are going to be deleted, but we'd like them to still be able to use pine. > Pine, unfortunately, won't send a letter, outputing an error: > > sh: /usr/lib/sendmail: restricted > sh: /bin/rm: restricted > > Our restricted shell is replacing /bin/csh as a shell: > /bin/lvl1rsh: > > #!/bin/csh > clear > cat /usr/local/bin/lvl1messsage > /usr/bin/sleep 15 > clear > /bin/csh > > I didn't think it was too complicated to just place a message > (lvl1message) about impending account deletion and then drop users into a > normal shell, but apparently pine does. > > Any ideas? > > NeXT 3.0 (bsd 4.3), Pine 3.87 > > Hussain > > ________________________________ > G. Hussain Chinoy > Asst. System Administrator > Washington University, Arts & Sciences NeXT Lab > Cupples I, Room 213 > 314.935.4353 > hussain@artsci.wustl.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 13:26:28 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09074; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:26:28 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21218; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:09:59 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gasco.gasco.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21212; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:09:57 -0800 Received: by gasco.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.4) id ; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:09 PST Received: by gasco.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:09 PST From: dlc@gasco.com (Darci Chapman, Paradise Cowgirl x5930) Message-Id: <9403251309.ZM8608@gasco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:09:54 -0800 Reply-To: dlc@gasco.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.0 10/27/92) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: filtering Hello, all! First, I want to publicly thank all of you who have written in response to my queries about Reply-To: lines, impad problems, etc. You all are definitely a helpful bunch! So, I know that recently I either read somewhere in the pine documentation or on this list that while filtering within pine is not built-in, there are ways to do it: procmail or ??? I'm a currently zmail user, subscribe to (too) many lists and run several lists; I'm really going to need some way of filtering all my incoming mail, even if it means downloading my entire remote inbox and then doing it locally. Reccommendations, anyone? Thanks again! >>-Darci-> -- ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com \ --/--- Boycott Rush Limbaugh oranges! \ \/ /Don't support discrimination and bigotry -- don't support the OCA! \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) \/ About Me "What would happen if the far right held a campaign and nobody came?" -Lee Lynch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 14:24:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11399; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:24:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05977; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:38:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05971; Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:38:17 -0800 Received: from dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com by dshp04.trs.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28200; Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:38:09 +0200 Received: by dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11311; Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:38:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 23:38:08 +0300 (EETDST) From: Ian Leiman Reply-To: Ian Leiman Subject: Re: Automatic Outgoing Message Save To: Will Estes Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <199403251930.LAA15351@mail.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In my use the elm-type fcc wouldn't work, because I usually send mail to multiple recipients and my mail is related to projects not recipients. Many people to whom I write are in many projects too. Then there's personal and business related mail, which would have to go to separate folders. See my point? The "dumb" solution would indeed be easy to implement. The place to put it is on line 909 in pine/send.c source file. You could parse the login-name from first address in outgoing->to and fill pbuf.fccbuf appropriately. As I'm not an official pine developer, I leave this as a trivial programming excercise for those interested in the problem. But like David Miller already told, it's coming... On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Will Estes wrote: > But the "dumb" solution takes care of 90% of the problem, which is > saving the information into some sort of partitioned group of files > that can later be searched via something that the user can remember > (i.e., the user's login name). Waiting for the "smart" > solution solves 0% of the problem because the information is not > partitioned in *any* fashion. > > So my own take on this is that this line of reasoning is a > perfectionist's logic, but it does very little for the needs of the > user. Better to pursue the sloppy solution as a first cut, and then > pursue the elegant solution as time allows. -- Ian Leiman, M.Sc. phone +358 0 5104 4453, fax +358 0 5104 4764 ian.leiman@ntc.nokia.com homepage: http://dshp02.trs.ntc.nokia.com:3000/~leiman/index.html From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 14:31:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11705; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:31:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22284; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:00:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22278; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:00:49 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06793; Fri, 25 Mar 94 14:00:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: dlc@gasco.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: filtering In-Reply-To: <9403251309.ZM8608@gasco.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Darci, Personally, I use "filter" from the Elm distribution. It is pretty easy to get working and does what I need fairly well. Procmail is more powerful, but it does come at a price of more cryptic syntax. Deliver is another possibility, but I haven't looked at it very much. All of these programs divert the incoming messages before final delivery, so there should not be any extra downloading. I hope that helps! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Fri, 25 Mar 1994 dlc@gasco.com wrote: > Hello, all! > > First, I want to publicly thank all of you who have written in response > to my queries about Reply-To: lines, impad problems, etc. You all are > definitely a helpful bunch! > > So, I know that recently I either read somewhere in the pine documentation > or on this list that while filtering within pine is not built-in, there > are ways to do it: procmail or ??? > > I'm a currently zmail user, subscribe to (too) many lists and run several > lists; I'm really going to need some way of filtering all my incoming > mail, even if it means downloading my entire remote inbox and then doing > it locally. > > Reccommendations, anyone? > > Thanks again! > > >>-Darci-> > > -- > ------ Darci L. Chapman - Northwest Natural Gas - dlc@gasco.com > \ --/--- Boycott Rush Limbaugh oranges! > \ \/ /Don't support discrimination and bigotry -- don't support the OCA! > \/\ / (I do not speak for the Gas Company, and They do not speak for Me) > \/ About Me > "What would happen if the far right held a campaign and nobody came?" -Lee Lynch From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 17:58:15 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17035; Fri, 25 Mar 94 17:58:15 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10598; Fri, 25 Mar 94 17:44:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10592; Fri, 25 Mar 94 17:44:04 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA11102; Fri, 25 Mar 94 19:43:53 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06936; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:42:24 +0800 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 09:42:23 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: filtering To: dlc@gasco.com Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403251309.ZM8608@gasco.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Mar 1994 dlc@gasco.com wrote: > So, I know that recently I either read somewhere in the pine documentation > or on this list that while filtering within pine is not built-in, there > are ways to do it: procmail or ??? The two methods that come to mind are "procmail" and "filter". The "filter" program comes as part of the "elm" distribution. Both of them function is similar fashion. That is, you make an entry in your .forward like, "|/usr/lbin/filter". Then, based on a set of rule you've defined you mail is delivered to the appropriate folder, or fed to another process, or deleted if that's what you want. The rule language of "procmail" is more flexible. It allows for chaining rules. I'd started out using "filter" and still do... mostly since I don't really need the flexibility of "procmail". That, and I too busy (read lazy) to change. Had I started with procmail... I don't think I would consider changing to "filter". Regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 20:56:49 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19698; Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:56:49 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29270; Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:44:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sadye.emba.uvm.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29264; Fri, 25 Mar 94 20:44:03 -0800 Received: from banzai.UUCP by sadye.emba.uvm.edu with UUCP id AA06043 (5.65/1.23); Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:42:08 -0500 Received: from godzilla.PCC.COM by banzai.PCC.COM with smtp (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0pkQE1-0000toC; Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:43 EST Received: by godzilla.PCC.COM (Smail3.1.26.7 #1) id m0pkQC0-0000JfC; Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:41 EST Message-Id: From: jay%banzai.pcc.com@sadye.EMBA.UVM.EDU (Jay Schuster) Subject: Re: filtering To: gasco.com!dlc@sadye.emba.uvm.edu Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 23:41:51 EST Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu (Pine List) In-Reply-To: <9403251309.ZM8608@gasco.com>; from "Darci Chapman, Paradise Cowgirl x5930" at Mar 25, 94 1:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Darci Chapman, Paradise Cowgirl x5930 writes: > So, I know that recently I either read somewhere in the pine documentation > or on this list that while filtering within pine is not built-in, there > are ways to do it: procmail or ??? We run deliver here. I like deliver over other choices because it uses scripts to determine where the mail goes, and not `yet another configuration language'. Of course, that same reason can make it unfriendly to novice users (who wouldn't have a very hard time learning just enough sh to get simple stuff working). -- Jay Schuster uunet!uvm-gen!banzai!jay, attmail!banzai!jay The People's Computer Company `Revolutionary Programming' From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Fri Mar 25 22:25:48 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20482; Fri, 25 Mar 94 22:25:48 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00417; Fri, 25 Mar 94 22:10:24 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00411; Fri, 25 Mar 94 22:10:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id AAA15370; Sat, 26 Mar 1994 00:15:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 00:15:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: filtering To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm wondering if it might be possible (and don't hit too hard) for future versions of pine to include filter with it. Here's why. Many sites have chosen pine over elm as their mail reader. So when someone says "we shoudl install this program even though it comes with elm", there can be a lot of administrative headaches. If it came with pine, it would be all considered "one package" and would get installed without each student having to find filter (archiing for filter won't help) compile the whole elm set, and install the program in their private account. Just a quick thought at some ingodly AM hour. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 08:51:51 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27575; Sat, 26 Mar 94 08:51:51 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21033; Sat, 26 Mar 94 08:34:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21027; Sat, 26 Mar 94 08:34:04 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00698; Sat, 26 Mar 94 08:33:56 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Robert A. Hayden" Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: filtering In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Robert, This is certainly worth some consideration. Here are some thoughts: o Filter is certainly simpler than procmail, but is it simple enough for Pine's primary target audience (the very novice)? o How much extra customer support overhead would it generate? o Filter only supports the Berkeley mailbox format. This could be a severe limitation for sites and users preferring other formats. Discussion? --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote: > I'm wondering if it might be possible (and don't hit too hard) for future > versions of pine to include filter with it. > > Here's why. Many sites have chosen pine over elm as their mail reader. > So when someone says "we shoudl install this program even though it comes > with elm", there can be a lot of administrative headaches. > > If it came with pine, it would be all considered "one package" and would > get installed without each student having to find filter (archiing for > filter won't help) compile the whole elm set, and install the program in > their private account. > > Just a quick thought at some ingodly AM hour. > > ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu > \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- > \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is > \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ > n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 09:47:38 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28179; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:47:38 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08780; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:25:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ftp.celestial.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08774; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:25:15 -0800 Received: by camco1.celestial.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0pkc5n-0003FmC; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:24 PST Message-Id: From: bill@celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: filtering To: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "David L Miller" at Mar 26, 94 08:33:55 am Reply-To: bill@Celestial.COM Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA 98040 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2310 > > > Robert, > > This is certainly worth some consideration. Here are some thoughts: > > o Filter is certainly simpler than procmail, but is it simple > enough for Pine's primary target audience (the very novice)? > I would suggest looking at Chip Salzenberg's deliver program. This is much simpler for the novice to use than deliver. Each user can put a program in $HOME/.deliver that determines the disposition of each incoming mail message. The program can be anything from a simple shell script 'echo $user' to an arbitrarily complex program. Deliver usually receives the mail through a .forward or alias of the form: "|/usr/lib/mail/deliver usrname" (deliver gets very picky if usrname is root and runs at sub-root priviledges). It has separated the message into two files, $HEADER, and $BODY, and set several environment variables with useful things like sender and destination addresses. It also provides a utility function to select specified headers from a file easily using expressions like: dests=`header -f to -f apparently-to -f cc $HEADER` The user program communicates with deliver via standard output with simple things like: echo $user # deliver to the user's normal mailbox. echo DROP # deep six this mail. echo $mailpath # deliver to an arbitrary mail address echo $user:filename # store in a specific mailbox file. The .deliver program can do anything it wants beyond this. I use it to filter mailing-list traffic by comparing incoming Message-Id with a history file to eliminate duplicates, then to archive the traffic by mailing list name. Traffic other than mailing lists is archived by system/user. > o How much extra customer support overhead would it generate? > Probably a lot less than a program like filter since the .deliver program is usually a shell script or perl program so the user doesn't have to learn a new language. > o Filter only supports the Berkeley mailbox format. This could > be a severe limitation for sites and users preferring other > formats. > Deliver understands Berkeley and mmdf. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: camco!bill 8545 SE 68th Street FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 10:06:50 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28411; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:06:50 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09154; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:54:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from flipper.pvv.unit.no by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09148; Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:54:04 -0800 Received: (from agulbra@localhost) by flipper.pvv.unit.no (8.6.8/8.6.6) id SAA29517; Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:53:54 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-Id: <199403261753.SAA29517@flipper.pvv.unit.no> Subject: Re: filtering To: dlm@cac.washington.edu (David L Miller) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 18:53:51 +0100 (MET) Cc: hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu, pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: from "David L Miller" at Mar 26, 94 08:33:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 546 > This is certainly worth some consideration. Here are some thoughts: > > o Filter is certainly simpler than procmail, but is it simple > enough for Pine's primary target audience (the very novice)? No. Not least because it doesn't really work. Its man page lists capabilities it doesn't have, and some things are buggy (at least I ran into trouble trying to use "contains" rules and the syntax didn't seem to be as flexible as the man page said). I use filter, but I say "filter -r" every single time I change my setup at all. --Arnt From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 10:19:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28571; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:19:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09251; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:03:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09245; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:03:36 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA21190; Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:08:34 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:08:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: filtering To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > o Filter is certainly simpler than procmail, but is it simple > enough for Pine's primary target audience (the very novice)? I think it's simple enough. There is no need to bother with crazy outside scripts like with procmail or deliver (thus, no need to even know HOW to make a script or learn Yet Another Scripting Language). There is also a fairly complete filter refereance manual that comes with elm that could be included (doc/filter.guide or something like that in the elm distribution). By placing that alongside the tech-notes (or, I suppose, building it into pine like the help system), you can get fairly complete documentation to the users. Filtering isn't exactly a novice activity, but it doesn't have to be the programmers dream/nightmare that procmail or deliver is. > o How much extra customer support overhead would it generate? Some, but the well written guide could/should be pointed to first. And advanced filter questions (setting up file servers, for example) could be pointed towards elm forums. > o Filter only supports the Berkeley mailbox format. This could > be a severe limitation for sites and users preferring other > formats. This is a problem, unfortunately with no easy solution. A) We could include filter and just warn people that it will only work with berkeley. Perhaps pointing other systems to procmail and/or deliver. This is nice because pine is actually saying "Here's a program you might find useful. If not, here's some other outside ones that may also work." It points it out as an only mildly supported program. B) We could hack filter to work with others (could be icky) C) We could write up our own filter program with the simplicity of filter and the ability to handle other systems. Nice, but time consuming and the pine people probably have better things to do. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 10:24:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28650; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:24:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22141; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:07:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22135; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:07:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA21217; Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:12:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:12:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: filtering To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Bill Campbell wrote: > I would suggest looking at Chip Salzenberg's deliver program. This is > much simpler for the novice to use than deliver. Each user can put a > program in $HOME/.deliver that determines the disposition of each > incoming mail message. The program can be anything from a simple > shell script 'echo $user' to an arbitrarily complex program. But that assumes that the users know how to even write that simple shell script. We have to remember that we are moving into the age of communications, where people utilize these computer systems not to program, but to talk. Many don't know the first thing about shell scripts or other forms of programming. Their only goal is to read and write information among themselves. Filter, while being limited, has the benefit of the fact that it is also very easy to implement (granted, it isn't newbie stuff, but it also doesn't require any time to learn scripting techniques and the like)/ ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 11:05:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28963; Sat, 26 Mar 94 11:05:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22563; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:46:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22557; Sat, 26 Mar 94 10:46:43 -0800 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat, 26 Mar 94 12:46:41 CST Received: by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA29575; Sat, 26 Mar 94 12:46:00 CST Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 12:46:00 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: How can I set pine-info to NOMAIL? To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried SET PINE-INFO NOMail but the listserv told me that pine-info does not exist as a list...? Thanx. Ippokratis From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 18:25:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02345; Sat, 26 Mar 94 18:25:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14698; Sat, 26 Mar 94 18:11:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14692; Sat, 26 Mar 94 18:11:02 -0800 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23592; Sat, 26 Mar 94 20:55:49 EST Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 20:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Roy Subject: Help with unixware To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using pine on unixware SystemV. On the console, when i try CTRL-T, it doesn't work. Is theyre a way to fix that??? When i log from modem or tcp, theyre is no problems??? i Can it be the type of terminal??? Thanks Pierre Roy Porretta Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sat Mar 26 20:23:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03191; Sat, 26 Mar 94 20:23:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16067; Sat, 26 Mar 94 20:10:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16061; Sat, 26 Mar 94 20:10:02 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21815; Sat, 26 Mar 94 20:09:48 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 20:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Pierre Roy Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Help with unixware In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pierre, You might try "stty -a" at the shell to see if anything is assigned to ^T. "ESC ESC t" is a work-around for ^T if you can't get it working otherwise. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > > I am using pine on unixware SystemV. On the console, when i try CTRL-T, > it doesn't work. Is theyre a way to fix that??? > When i log from modem or tcp, theyre is no problems??? > i > Can it be the type of terminal??? > > Thanks > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 27 08:19:59 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10351; Sun, 27 Mar 94 08:19:59 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24243; Sun, 27 Mar 94 08:05:48 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24237; Sun, 27 Mar 94 08:05:44 -0800 Received: from mnt-pleasant.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <01623-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:41:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (sh391@localhost) by mnt-pleasant.city.ac.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA02132; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:42:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:42:49 +0100 (BST) From: David Brownlee Subject: Filter/procmail To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would procmail be a better 'filter' program to recommend? D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London EC1V 0HB. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 27 13:33:35 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12547; Sun, 27 Mar 94 13:33:35 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09696; Sun, 27 Mar 94 13:18:17 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from saturn.soils.umn.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09690; Sun, 27 Mar 94 13:18:14 -0800 Received: by saturn.soils.umn.edu (4.1) id AA06741; Sun, 27 Mar 94 15:16:20 CST Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 15:16:20 CST From: "John Ladwig" Message-Id: <9403272116.AA06741@saturn.soils.umn.edu> To: David Brownlee Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Filter/procmail In-Reply-To: David Brownlee's message of 27 March 1994 References: >>>>> On Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:42:49 +0100 (BST), David Brownlee said: DB> Would procmail be a better 'filter' program to recommend? Given that one of the maintainers of elm (home of filter) recommends that folks use procmail or deliver, yes. There are significant file locking and consistency issues that filter doesn't do very well with, that procmail does better than almost anything. Procmail's syntax might be daunting for casual users, however. -jml From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 27 14:24:21 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12960; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:24:21 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28153; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:07:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28147; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:07:56 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26933; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:07:47 -0800 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: John Ladwig Cc: David Brownlee , pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Filter/procmail In-Reply-To: <9403272116.AA06741@saturn.soils.umn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What would be nice is a program that works like filter with some of the rough edges knocked off and that uses c-client for folder access.... Any volunteers? |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, John Ladwig wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:42:49 +0100 (BST), David Brownlee said: > > DB> Would procmail be a better 'filter' program to recommend? > > Given that one of the maintainers of elm (home of filter) recommends > that folks use procmail or deliver, yes. > > There are significant file locking and consistency issues that filter > doesn't do very well with, that procmail does better than almost > anything. > > Procmail's syntax might be daunting for casual users, however. > > -jml > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sun Mar 27 14:43:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13174; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:43:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10496; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:32:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10490; Sun, 27 Mar 94 14:32:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA04766; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:37:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:37:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Filter/procmail To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: <9403272116.AA06741@saturn.soils.umn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, John Ladwig wrote: > Procmail's syntax might be daunting for casual users, however. That is what I consider to be a very serious drawback with procmail, and why I eventually abandoned it for filter. It is just too much of a headache and pain in the rear to get the rules writeen and implemented, espicially if you are a very novice user. Filter, with all of it's problems, does function as at least a low-level mail sorter. If you want to do something more fancy than that, well, you probably also have the skill to move on to another program. As always, IMHO. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 28 08:05:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24501; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:05:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10859; Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:37:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sony.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10853; Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:37:17 -0800 Received: by sony.com id AA13587; Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:37:16 -0800 X-Btw: sony.com is also sonygate.sony.com Received: from ccmail.nhq.sony.com (nhqgw.corpmis.sel.sony.com) by sjcmail1.sjc.sony.com (4.0/SONY-4.0MX) id AA00177; Mon, 28 Mar 94 07:36:59 PST Return-Path: Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.nhq.sony.com id AA764879973 Mon, 28 Mar 94 10:39:33 EST Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 10:39:33 EST From: "Bruce Lilly" Message-Id: <9402287648.AA764879973@ccmail.nhq.sony.com> To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, nehalem Subject: Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 I hacked in Reply-To in pine 3.07. It's not terribly difficult if you have good tools (e.g. cscope). I put it in the ``rich headers'' by copying the code used for bcc. The nastiest part is modifying the interface to pico so that the reply-to header is carried across. Assuming that 3.89 hasn't changed drastically from 3.07, you should be able to change the code in a couple of hours maximum. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 28 08:52:04 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25965; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:52:04 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11690; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:27:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from Sony.COM by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11684; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:27:43 -0800 Received: by sony.com id AA13969; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:27:42 -0800 X-Btw: sony.com is also sonygate.sony.com Received: from ccmail.nhq.sony.com (nhqgw.corpmis.sel.sony.com) by sjcmail1.sjc.sony.com (4.0/SONY-4.0MX) id AA00256; Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:27:23 PST Return-Path: Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.nhq.sony.com id AA764882997 Mon, 28 Mar 94 11:29:57 EST Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 11:29:57 EST From: "Bruce Lilly" Message-Id: <9402287648.AA764882997@ccmail.nhq.sony.com> To: Klaus.Zeuge@sk.uppsala.se Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: default-bcc ? On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Klaus Zeuge wrote: > also pressing C-r to manually enter my address in the BCC field while > composing a new message is cumbersome and error prone). If you have your own address installed in your addressbook, you can use the usual pine-ish methods of copying that address from the addressbook into the bcc header field. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Mon Mar 28 12:43:24 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02287; Mon, 28 Mar 94 12:43:24 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16711; Mon, 28 Mar 94 12:24:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16705; Mon, 28 Mar 94 12:24:35 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08229; Mon, 28 Mar 94 12:24:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Bruce Lilly Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, nehalem Subject: Re: Reply-To: in pine 3.89 In-Reply-To: <9402287648.AA764879973@ccmail.nhq.sony.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FWIW, the next release of Pine will include support for Reply-To. A beta version should be ready later this spring. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Mon, 28 Mar 1994, Bruce Lilly wrote: > > I hacked in Reply-To in pine 3.07. It's not terribly difficult if you have > good tools (e.g. cscope). I put it in the ``rich headers'' by copying the > code used for bcc. > > The nastiest part is modifying the interface to pico so that the reply-to > header is carried across. > > Assuming that 3.89 hasn't changed drastically from 3.07, you should be able to > change the code in a couple of hours maximum. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 07:48:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23492; Tue, 29 Mar 94 07:48:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03839; Tue, 29 Mar 94 07:19:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from afep.yorku.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03833; Tue, 29 Mar 94 07:19:01 -0800 Received: from vortex.yorku.ca (vortex.yorku.ca [130.63.232.15]) by afep.yorku.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA20328; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:19:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (ian@localhost) by vortex.yorku.ca (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA25536; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:20:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Lumb Subject: Browsing while creating Pine distribution lists To: PINE INFO Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Once of our local pine enthusiasts wrote: > But I tell you what would be great: a feature that would let you "browse" > your address book and select each name you want to add to your list. If > you are ever talking to the Pine folks maybe you could pass along the > suggestion. To which I responded: I guess that you could always suspend your address book composition, browse, and then add to the existing list ... Does the Pine Team, or anyone else, have anything else to add to this? Is this a possible feature/enhancement request for a future release of Pine :) Ian. -- Ian Lumb Internet: Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 08:29:10 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24268; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:29:10 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04443; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:01:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04437; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:01:35 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA13643; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:53:25 EST Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:53:23 -0500 From: James Dryfoos Subject: Processing of application types and Postscript? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: <9403291053.AA12388@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When is the following expected to be implemented: Lastly, Pine can- not display any attachments which are of the "application" type; these must be saved to files and then processed outside of Pine. In a future release, we intend to support the mail- cap facility to allow automatic processing of display of additional MIME types. Also, shouldn't it be easy for Pine to support viewing of Postscript files in a similar manner to the way it supports image/gif? This would be a nice next version capability. Thanks, -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 09:10:16 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25917; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:10:16 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16313; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:43:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16307; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:43:28 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20253; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:43:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 08:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: James Dryfoos Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Processing of application types and Postscript? In-Reply-To: <9403291053.AA12388@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim, The next release of Pine _will_ include mailcap support. There are some types mailcap entries that Pine will not be able to handle, but it should work for most of the common types. Thanks for the followup! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > When is the following expected to be implemented: > > Lastly, Pine can- > not display any attachments which are of the > "application" type; these must be saved to > files and then processed outside of Pine. In a > future release, we intend to support the mail- > cap facility to allow automatic processing of > display of additional MIME types. > > Also, shouldn't it be easy for Pine to support viewing of Postscript > files in a similar manner to the way it supports image/gif? > This would be a nice next version capability. > > Thanks, > > -- Jim > > > ========================================================================== > James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu > MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | > 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office > Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax > ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 09:10:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25950; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:10:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16228; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:39:40 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16222; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:39:38 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20180; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:39:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 08:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Ian Lumb Cc: PINE INFO Subject: Re: Browsing while creating Pine distribution lists In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm... So, basically what you are asking for is to have ^T work in the CreateList command? I can see how it would be useful when your addressbook gets very large. I'll add this to the requested enhancements list... Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Ian Lumb wrote: > Once of our local pine enthusiasts wrote: > > > But I tell you what would be great: a feature that would let you "browse" > > your address book and select each name you want to add to your list. If > > you are ever talking to the Pine folks maybe you could pass along the > > suggestion. > > To which I responded: > > I guess that you could always suspend your address book composition, > browse, and then add to the existing list ... > > Does the Pine Team, or anyone else, have anything else to add to this? Is > this a possible feature/enhancement request for a future release of > Pine :) > > Ian. > > > -- > Ian Lumb Internet: > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 09:26:40 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26500; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:26:40 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16600; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:56:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ursa.calvin.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16594; Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:56:49 -0800 Received: by Calvin.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02527; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:56:40 EST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: Omi Chandiramani Subject: Cut Text in Pico. To: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. Anybody else for this change? Omi Chandiramani ochand70@calvin.edu From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 10:32:03 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29102; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:32:03 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07128; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:56:15 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from isumvs.iastate.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07120; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:56:13 -0800 Received: from 147.155.30.12 by ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:56:53 CST Received: by tc2.fi.ameslab.gov (920110.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @isumvs.iastate.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA09320; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:52:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:51:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregory J. Atchity" Subject: Re: reply-to patches. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <9403291053.AA12388@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone posted that they'd patched in the reply-to header already, but I accidentally deleted that message. Would you be willing to post the patches here, or email privately to me? --- Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 10:34:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29220; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:34:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18064; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:57:00 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18058; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:56:58 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21661; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:56:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Omi Chandiramani Cc: PINE INFO Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Omi, There are at least some folks at Pine Central that would be happier with an emacs-style ^K as well... as it happens, that's what we started with four years ago, and we soon got feedback that this was not the behavior novices expected, so we switched. We will be investigating the feasibility of having an emacs-style ^K option. -teg On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote: > When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del > Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line > rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in > Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line > and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I > could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. > Anybody else for this change? > > Omi Chandiramani > ochand70@calvin.edu > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 10:35:29 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29270; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:35:29 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07242; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:00:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from blas.cis.McMaster.CA by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07227; Tue, 29 Mar 94 09:59:55 -0800 Received: by blas.cis.mcmaster.ca id AA29234 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for pine-info@cac.washington.edu); Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:01:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199403291801.AA29234@blas.cis.mcmaster.ca> From: johnb@blas.cis.mcmaster.ca (John Benjamins) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:01:07 -0500 X-Department: Computing and Information Services, McMaster University X-Disclaimer: These are MY opinions, not CIS' or McMaster University's X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: PINE INFO Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. , On Mar 29, 11:56am, Omi Chandiramani wrote: } Subject: Cut Text in Pico. } When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del } Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line } rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in } Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line } and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I } could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. } Anybody else for this change? } }-- End of excerpt of Mar 29, 11:56am without waiting for any reasons why this might not be a good idea, i would say YES, PLEASE DO! -- -- E. John Benjamins -- -- Computing and Information Services, McMaster University "Missiles of ligneous or petrous consistency have the potential of fracturing my osseous structure, but appellations will eternally remain innocuous." From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 10:35:34 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29279; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:35:34 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18265; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18259; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:03 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23294; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:05:02 CST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:05:02 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: ^T Question To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since pine doesn't know how to rotate sigs yet, to read in a new one, I have to go the ^R ^T route... Unfortunately, the only way to get into the .sigfiles directory is to type in /home3/zarthac/.sigfiles/ then hit ^T. Needless to say this gets annoying. Could you fix ^T so that either I can merely type .sigfiles/ or ~/.sigfiles/ or even have it display . files automatically? thanks zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu Matt Simmons Bradley University, Peoria, IL Found in the BU Scout Personals: "Jane--I don't want to be alone again for Valentine's Day. I want to work this out. I was just hurt that you would sleep with my best friend ... repeatedly ... in my bed. Actually, never mind. Go to hell. John" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 10:42:20 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29852; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:42:20 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07376; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:30 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07370; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:24 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA03162; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:22 PST Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17102; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:21 PST Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09508; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:05:20 PST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:05:20 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Filter/procmail To: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Perhaps I shouldn't jump into this without first having tried filter and deliver, and whatever else may have been suggested. But I lean towards procmail because it is so powerful, and as at least one person mentioned, safe to use in many different mail formats and systems. However, it can be somewhat cryptic, but whether this is bad or good I think is subject to debate. What are sys-admins for, anyways? You'll probably need one to install the software to begin with. Besides, if the user wants to filter mail into different folders, then chances are that she or he is not a true novice. And if she or he is a true novice (this happened to me!) then that person really should have help from a sys-admin. Even though I use procmail and recommend it, I don't think that the Pine team should really be involved. Frankly, I wouldn't wish the extra hassle on them because I'd like to see them dedicate that time to Pine itself. But since the range of Pine users is so wide, with so many different levels of expertise and opinions (wow!), I think it would be best to just make a few suggestions for filtering software and tell where to find the source code. I know that elm includes "filter", but it just doesn't seem right for Pine to follow suit. We've all heard the discussions about adding too many features to Pine... besides, the source code is big enough as it is. :-) What I might do is include a page in the docs (stick it way in the back) about filtering software, perhaps with a ***brief*** explanation of the three (or so) top packages. I might even describe how to filter incoming messages from a particular address to a particular folder, and then tell where to look for more information. For example: Here is how to filter mail from the Pine Info group into another folder using procmail. Create a .procmailrc file in your home directory with the following lines: # Please check if all the paths in PATH are reachable, remove the # ones that are not. PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/local/bin MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists :0: * ^From.*owner-pine-info pine-info # will be saved to $HOME/mail/pine-info For more information, see the man page on procmailrc(5), ask your system administrator, or send mail to procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de. There now, that wasn't too painful, was it? Yes, I know, it's a little more involved than all that, but you get the idea. The point is I think we have enough experienced users/administrators who would be willing to provide this type of information that the Pine Team could then incorporate into the documentation. Later! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | | University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 | | The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 | | University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, | | Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:20:44 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00876; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:20:44 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19053; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:38:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19045; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:38:40 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23735; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:38:35 CST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:38:34 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: Omi Chandiramani Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote: > When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del > Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line > rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in > Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line > and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I > could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. > Anybody else for this change? No, because then you'd have to make sure you were at the beginning of a line every time you wanted to delete something... Why don't you just hit Ctrl-^,Ctrl-E,Ctrl-K? Though it's slight more messy, it works (and I don't feel like having to type Ctrl-A Ctrl-K.. =) )... And by all means, if you want Emacs functionality, use emacs! zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu Matt Simmons Bradley University, Peoria, IL Found in the BU Scout Personals: "Jane--I don't want to be alone again for Valentine's Day. I want to work this out. I was just hurt that you would sleep with my best friend ... repeatedly ... in my bed. Actually, never mind. Go to hell. John" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:24:11 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01238; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:24:11 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08324; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:47:52 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mercury.bih.harvard.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08318; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:47:50 -0800 Received: by BIH mail router (4.1/SMI-4.1916) id AA13350; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:47:25 EST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: Scott McWilliams Subject: pine 3.90 To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The last couple of messages came through with a smtp header of pine 3.90 on them. Did I miss an announcement or is this in-house only? ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: scott@bih.harvard.edu | | Sysadmin, Postmaster | | | | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | | Network Services | | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | | Boston, Mass. 02215 | -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:26:38 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01361; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:26:38 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18989; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:37:07 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ULTRIX.UOR.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18978; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:37:00 -0800 Received: by ultrix.uor.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01995; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:44:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:44:28 -0800 (PST) From: Sharon Deng Subject: Distribution List To: David L Miller Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII David: I am so glad you will add this feature to the new version. Thank you in advance. Please don't say I am getting greedy. It will be very helpful if we can take the address from the incoming mail and add the address directly to the distribution list. On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Hmmm... So, basically what you are asking for is to have ^T work in the > CreateList command? I can see how it would be useful when your addressbook > gets very large. I'll add this to the requested enhancements list... > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Ian Lumb wrote: > > > Once of our local pine enthusiasts wrote: > > > > > But I tell you what would be great: a feature that would let you "browse" > > > your address book and select each name you want to add to your list. If > > > you are ever talking to the Pine folks maybe you could pass along the > > > suggestion. > > > > To which I responded: > > > > I guess that you could always suspend your address book composition, > > browse, and then add to the existing list ... > > > > Does the Pine Team, or anyone else, have anything else to add to this? Is > > this a possible feature/enhancement request for a future release of > > Pine :) > > > > Ian. > > > > > > -- > > Ian Lumb Internet: > > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > > > > Sharon Deng Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:32:57 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01734; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:32:57 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19510; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:59:50 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sstcx1.lanl.gov by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19502; Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:59:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by sstcx1.lanl.gov (8.6.4/10.0) id LAA27149; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:53:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:53:50 -0700 (MST) From: Stephen Smoogen Subject: Re: reply-to patches. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > Someone posted that they'd patched in the reply-to header already, but > I accidentally deleted that message. > > Would you be willing to post the patches here, or email privately to > me? I would also be very interested in this, as that is why I just subscribed to this mail-group. I was also wondering if it is possible to add X-lines with pine? Stephen Smoogen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen John Smoogen NIS-2 (ALEXIS project) Mail Stop: D436 Off Phone: 667-2893 SOC Phone: 665-5975 Group Phone: 667-5127 FAX: 665-4414 Home Phone: 662-4313 EMAIL: smooge@sstcx1.lanl.gov GCS/M/S/SS d--- -p+ c++++ l+(++) u+ e+(-(*)) m+(---) s+/-- !n(---) h+(+(*)) f++(*) g+ w+ t++ r++ y+(-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:43:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02378; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:43:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08757; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:11:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from sstcx1.lanl.gov by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08751; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:11:20 -0800 Received: from localhost by sstcx1.lanl.gov (8.6.4/10.0) id MAA27524; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:05:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:05:22 -0700 (MST) From: Stephen Smoogen Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Omi, > There are at least some folks at Pine Central that would be happier with > an emacs-style ^K as well... as it happens, that's what we started with > four years ago, and we soon got feedback that this was not the behavior > novices expected, so we switched. > > We will be investigating the feasibility of having an emacs-style ^K option. You could always make it a part of growth, could you not? As in sapling kills the entire line, while old-growth uses emacs style deletion. I think that emacs has become big enough now that many novice users will be more familiar with its editing style than 4 years ago. > > -teg > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen John Smoogen NIS-2 (ALEXIS project) Mail Stop: D436 Off Phone: 667-2893 SOC Phone: 665-5975 Group Phone: 667-5127 FAX: 665-4414 Home Phone: 662-4313 EMAIL: smooge@sstcx1.lanl.gov GCS/M/S/SS d--- -p+ c++++ l+(++) u+ e+(-(*)) m+(---) s+/-- !n(---) h+(+(*)) f++(*) g+ w+ t++ r++ y+(-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 11:47:18 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02616; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:47:18 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08697; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:08:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from mason1.gmu.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08691; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:08:23 -0800 Received: by mason1.gmu.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3/GMUv3) id AA19016; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:07:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry H. Lake" Subject: When's Pine's next Release? To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII More to the point... what will be included in the next release of pine? What bug fixes, what new features, etc.? I am really interested in what's new in news reading (like, is posting a new feature?). ---- Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu Electronic Mail Consultant George Mason University From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 12:02:37 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03115; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:02:37 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20504; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:37:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from Krypton.Mankato.MSUS.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20492; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:37:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (hayden@localhost) by krypton.mankato.msus.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA17750; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:42:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:42:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert A. Hayden" Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: Omi Chandiramani Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote: > When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del > Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line > rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in > Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line > and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I > could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. > Anybody else for this change? If you want to delete from the cursor to the end of the line, jsut press return and then ^k. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*) From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 12:16:26 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03825; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:16:26 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09871; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:51:26 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from iris.phar.umich.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09865; Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:51:11 -0800 Received: from sun4.phar.umich.edu (sun4.phar.umich.edu [35.211.128.4]) by iris.phar.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA14167 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:51:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Traigle Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > Omi, > There are at least some folks at Pine Central that would be happier with > an emacs-style ^K as well... as it happens, that's what we started with > four years ago, and we soon got feedback that this was not the behavior > novices expected, so we switched. > > We will be investigating the feasibility of having an emacs-style ^K option. I rather like Pico the way it is in this regard. Wouldn't it make more sense (and be less effort) to just get the feature of Pine implimented that will put people directly into their alternative editor so all of these people who prefer emacs commands can easily use emacs within Pine instead of insisting that Pico be changed? Just a thought. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Traigle | | Systems Administrator | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | University of Michigan University of Michigan | | College of Pharmacy Biophysics Research Division | | Pharmacy Building, Room 1033 Chemistry Building, Room 3080 | | Ann Arbor MI 48109 Ann Arbor MI 48109 | | (313) 747-2340 (313) 763-5449 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | traigle@umich.edu Pager: (313) 617-8793 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 12:43:19 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04391; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:43:19 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21445; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:15:18 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from pobox.csc.fi by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21439; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:15:12 -0800 Received: from tellus.csc.fi by pobox.csc.fi with SMTP id AA26752 (5.65c8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 29 Mar 1994 23:15:02 +0300 Received: from localhost.csc.fi by tellus.csc.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03896; Tue, 29 Mar 94 23:15:01 +0300 Message-Id: <9403292015.AA03896@tellus.csc.fi> To: Stephen Smoogen Cc: PINE INFO Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:05:22 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 23:15:00 +0300 From: Pekka Kytolaakso Your message dated: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:05:22 PDT > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Terry Gray wrote: > = > > Omi, > > There are at least some folks at Pine Central that would be happier wi= th > > an emacs-style ^K as well... as it happens, that's what we started wit= h > > four years ago, and we soon got feedback that this was not the behavio= r > > novices expected, so we switched. = > > We will be investigating the feasibility of having an emacs-style ^K o= ption > You could always make it a part of growth, could you not? As in = > sapling kills the entire line, while old-growth uses emacs style = > deletion. I think that emacs has become big enough now that many novice = I don't think this is a good idea. Even the small changes that have been made in pine 3.8* have caused local complaints. Pekka Kyt=F6laakso PS If y haven't noticed there is a two-chacracter emacs-like kill-to-end-of-line: ^M^K ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------- netmgr@tellus.csc.fi CSC - Tieteellinen laskenta Pekka.Kytolaakso@csc.fi PL 405 FIN-02101 Espoo FINLAND Phone: +358 0 4571 Telefax: + 358 0 4572302 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 13:21:35 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05946; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:21:35 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11168; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:57:22 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from hertz.asso.etsmtl.ca by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11162; Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:57:17 -0800 Received: by asso.etsmtl.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06735; Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:43:24 EST Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 15:43:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Roy Subject: To: pine listserv Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Is it possible to compile pine with some configuration already set up. I mean that i would like the H header option working without having to modify the .pinerc or having a pine.conf file??? Pierre Pierre Roy Porretta Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 13:54:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06829; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:54:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23026; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:28:41 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shivafs.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23020; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:28:39 -0800 Received: from ester.dsv.su.se by shivafs.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03013; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:28:36 -0800 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SUNET/ADMD=_/C=SE/; Relayed; 29 Mar 94 23:24:10+0200 Date: 29 Mar 94 23:24:10+0200 From: Pierre Roy Message-Id: <630003*@su-kom.dsv.su.se> To: "Pine mailer discussions group (pine-infoEcac.washington.edu)" , pine listserv From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 13:54:14 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06830; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:54:14 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22859; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:22:31 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22853; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:22:30 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02762; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:22:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Stephen Smoogen Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: reply-to patches. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stephen and Gregory, The next release of Pine (later this spring) will include support for Reply-To without any patches. There will also be some support for extra headers, though the details of exactly how that will work are not yet firm. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > > > Someone posted that they'd patched in the reply-to header already, but > > I accidentally deleted that message. > > > > Would you be willing to post the patches here, or email privately to > > me? > > I would also be very interested in this, as that is why I just subscribed > to this mail-group. I was also wondering if it is possible to add X-lines > with pine? > > Stephen Smoogen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stephen John Smoogen NIS-2 (ALEXIS project) Mail Stop: D436 > Off Phone: 667-2893 SOC Phone: 665-5975 Group Phone: 667-5127 > FAX: 665-4414 Home Phone: 662-4313 EMAIL: smooge@sstcx1.lanl.gov > GCS/M/S/SS d--- -p+ c++++ l+(++) u+ e+(-(*)) m+(---) s+/-- !n(---) > h+(+(*)) f++(*) g+ w+ t++ r++ y+(-) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 13:54:37 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA06886; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:54:37 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11910; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:25:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11904; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:25:42 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02901; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:25:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:25:37 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Sharon Deng Cc: PINE INFO Subject: Re: Distribution List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ummm... I didn't exactly promise this for the next release... It is "on the list" and I can see how it would be usefull, but it is hard to tell yet when it will get to the top... --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Sharon Deng wrote: > David: > I am so glad you will add this feature to the new version. Thank you in > advance. > > Please don't say I am getting greedy. It will be very helpful if we can > take the address from the incoming mail and add the address directly to > the distribution list. > > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > > > Hmmm... So, basically what you are asking for is to have ^T work in the > > CreateList command? I can see how it would be useful when your addressbook > > gets very large. I'll add this to the requested enhancements list... > > > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > > > --DLM > > > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Ian Lumb wrote: > > > > > Once of our local pine enthusiasts wrote: > > > > > > > But I tell you what would be great: a feature that would let you "browse" > > > > your address book and select each name you want to add to your list. If > > > > you are ever talking to the Pine folks maybe you could pass along the > > > > suggestion. > > > > > > To which I responded: > > > > > > I guess that you could always suspend your address book composition, > > > browse, and then add to the existing list ... > > > > > > Does the Pine Team, or anyone else, have anything else to add to this? Is > > > this a possible feature/enhancement request for a future release of > > > Pine :) > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Lumb Internet: > > > Earth & Atmospheric Science, York University > > > North York, Ontario M3J 1P3, CANADA > > > Voice: (416) 736-5245; Fax: (416) 736-5817 > > > > > > > > > > Sharon Deng > Assistant Director Internet: deng@ultrix.uor.edu > Academic Computer Center deng@jccvms.uor.edu > University of Redlands Phone: (909)793-2121 x.4963 > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 13:59:46 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA07048; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:59:46 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23164; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:36:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from snare.dorm.umd.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23158; Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:36:38 -0800 Received: (kashmir@localhost) by snare.dorm.umd.edu (8.6.8.1/3l33t) id QAA00291; Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:36:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:36:29 +0000 From: Mike Grupenhoff Reply-To: Mike Grupenhoff Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: Omi Chandiramani Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote: > When c omposing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del > Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line > rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in > Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line > and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. You could always push - to delete from the middle of the line. I like ^K the way it is. --- Mike Grupenhoff kashmir@wam.umd.edu There's no place like ~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 15:51:58 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA11164; Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:51:58 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25523; Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:27:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bruny.cc.utas.edu.au by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25517; Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:27:18 -0800 Received: (from jw_lamp@localhost) by bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA09874; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:26:15 +1000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:24:23 +1000 (EST) From: John Lamp Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: Omi Chandiramani Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When I am in that situation, I tend to just then if I want to join the line back up. fixes any reformatting if necessary. Much simpler than all the 's Cheers John _--_|\ John Lamp, originating in Hobart, Tasmania / \ Phone: 002 20 2957 - Fax: 002 34 5685 \_.--._/ email: jw_lamp@postoffice.utas.edu.au v <----------<<< jw_lamp@calvados.apana.org.au On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Omi Chandiramani wrote: > When composing a message in Pico it would be really nice if Ctrl-k (Del > Line/Cut Text) would only delete from the cursor to the end of the line > rather than removing the whoel line - just like what Ctrl-k does in > Emacs. So often I have to advance to somewhere in the middle of the line > and bang Ctrl-d 15 or more times. If I wanted to delete the whole line I > could easily move the cursor to the beggining of it by pressing Ctrl-a. > Anybody else for this change? > > Omi Chandiramani > ochand70@calvin.edu > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 18:22:36 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15224; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:22:36 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28693; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:09:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28687; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:09:19 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12674; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:08:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Pierre Roy Cc: pine listserv Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pierre, Not without some code hacking. Take a look at pine/init.c... Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Pierre Roy wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to compile pine with some configuration already set up. I > mean that i would like the H header option working without having to > modify the .pinerc or having a pine.conf file??? > > Pierre > > > Pierre Roy Porretta > Ecole de technologie superieure (ETS) Tel:(514) 289-8883 > AEETS Fax:(514) 289-9480 > e-mail:Pierre@asso.ETSmtl.ca > Root@asso.ETSmtl.ca > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 18:28:39 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15350; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:28:39 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17800; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:12:14 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17794; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:12:13 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12767; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:12:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Scott McWilliams Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: pine 3.90 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Scott, This is strictly in-house. We usually increment the Message-Id on our experimental version shortly after the previous release... Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Scott McWilliams wrote: > > The last couple of messages came through with a smtp header of pine 3.90 > on them. Did I miss an announcement or is this in-house only? > > ------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ > | Scott A. McWilliams Internet: scott@bih.harvard.edu | > | Sysadmin, Postmaster | > | | > | Snail: Beth Israel Hospital | > | Network Services | > | Mail Stop BL-320 Vox: +1 617.735.5559 | > | 330 Brookline Avenue Facs: +1 617.735.3966 | > | Boston, Mass. 02215 | > -------------------- - -Deinimid iarracht ni/os fearr!- - ------------------ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 18:37:16 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15464; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:37:16 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17964; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:23:25 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17958; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:23:23 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12937; Tue, 29 Mar 94 18:23:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Sherry H. Lake" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: When's Pine's next Release? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sherry, The final feature-list for Pine 3.9x is still a moving target. Some of the major features that have been coded so far include mailcap support, news subscription and posting, aggregate operations, and several smaller changes. Implementation of user-definable headers is currently in progress. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Sherry H. Lake wrote: > More to the point... what will be included in the next release of pine? > What bug fixes, what new features, etc.? I am really interested in > what's new in news reading (like, is posting a new feature?). > > ---- > Sherry H. Lake slake@gmu.edu > Electronic Mail Consultant > George Mason University > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Tue Mar 29 22:55:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18355; Tue, 29 Mar 94 22:55:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02116; Tue, 29 Mar 94 22:34:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02110; Tue, 29 Mar 94 22:34:18 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18828; Wed, 30 Mar 94 00:34:17 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 00:34:17 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Partial solution to locking problem To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've found a solution to the wait for pine to realize that it's running on top of a suspended pine process. It ignores everything except ctrl-\. (just out of idle curiosity, why is it programmed to ignore ^Z while it's looking for the oher process?) It'll dump core and the other process will be read-only, but you can get rid of that pesky 15 second wait.. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 00:46:32 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19900; Wed, 30 Mar 94 00:46:32 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22493; Wed, 30 Mar 94 00:07:21 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22465; Wed, 30 Mar 94 00:06:08 -0800 Received: from hrz.tu-chemnitz.de by saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de via Local Delivery channel id <20871-0@saturn.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:02:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:59:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Richter Subject: How to setup an anonymous imap access To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have a local mailing list archive and want to make it accessible by an anonymous read-only IMAP server. It is possible? How? Regards, Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Richter Computing Services, Technical University Chemnitz, Germany Email: Frank.Richter@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (MIME welcome) | see X.500 entry Tel: +49 (0)371 668-361 >> Alles wird besser, aber nichts wird gut... << From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 02:30:25 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22040; Wed, 30 Mar 94 02:30:25 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04691; Wed, 30 Mar 94 01:55:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from gate.ggr.co.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04685; Wed, 30 Mar 94 01:54:55 -0800 Received: from mailhub.ggr.co.uk by gate.ggr.co.uk; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:53:29 +0100 Received: from uk0x04 by mailhub.ggr.co.uk; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:50:34 +0100 Received: by uk0x04 (8.6.8.1/imd160294) id KAA07666; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:53:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:52:59 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Dunkin Subject: Re: Cut Text in Pico. To: Stephen Smoogen Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > There are at least some folks at Pine Central that would be happier with > > an emacs-style ^K as well... > You could always make it a part of growth, could you not? As in > sapling kills the entire line, while old-growth uses emacs style > deletion. I think that emacs has become big enough now that many novice > users will be more familiar with its editing style than 4 years ago. Yes, that would be nice, so that it can stay simple for the novices, but can be made to behave EMACS-style for those familiar with EMACS. The problem is not that kill-to-end-of-line behaviour is not achievable some other way, but that an EMACS user's typing ahead fingers incorrigibly assume that this is what ^K will do.. I. -- Ian Dunkin -- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 02:50:48 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22264; Wed, 30 Mar 94 02:50:48 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04907; Wed, 30 Mar 94 02:08:28 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from reks.uia.ac.be by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04901; Wed, 30 Mar 94 02:08:23 -0800 Received: from reks.uia.ac.be by reks.uia.ac.be (8.6.8/Ultrix4.2-C) id MAA09818; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:08:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:06:58 PST From: Wim Holemans Subject: mime extentions To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII What are the plans/possiblities to include decoding of other MIME types such as external in pine ? Is there a way to add the metamail program to pine for MIME types that are not automatically decoded ? Thanks, W. Holemans holemans@uia.ac.be From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 05:37:23 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25857; Wed, 30 Mar 94 05:37:23 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26351; Wed, 30 Mar 94 04:52:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from rye.city.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26341; Wed, 30 Mar 94 04:52:33 -0800 Received: from victoria.city.ac.uk by Rye.city.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <18888-0@Rye.city.ac.uk>; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:48:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:50:39 +0100 (BST) From: David Brownlee Subject: ^K cut to end of line To: Pine-Info Maillist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please do NOT make this part of old-growth! By all means make it a option, but please don't include it in the old-growth set! Old-growth enables extra feature, not makes changes to the user interface! (As I see it :) David D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London EC1V 0HB. From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 06:23:15 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26542; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:23:15 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26926; Wed, 30 Mar 94 05:32:44 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from welchgate.welch.jhu.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26920; Wed, 30 Mar 94 05:32:25 -0800 Received: from tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu by welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA09090; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:28:51 EST Received: by tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu.tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19932; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:26:10 EST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:26:10 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Christopher Subject: Re: Browsing while creating Pine distribution lists To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 639 David, I understand about not having a backtab option to tab back through incoming folders, however how about not forcing a backtab on people let them choose at compile time ? Basically, How about adding the backtab as a makefile option ? ,,, (o o) +----------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------------------------------------+ | Keith Christopher | Unix System Adminstrator | | Welch Medical Library | Part Time SuperHero | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 06:52:41 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27070; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:52:41 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27492; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:08:35 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27486; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:08:31 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA21107; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:06:55 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:06:55 -0500 From: James Dryfoos Subject: Re: Distribution List (actually, a new request) To: David L Miller Cc: Sharon Deng , PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9403300906.AA20507@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:25:37 -0800 (PST) > From: David L Miller > To: Sharon Deng > Cc: PINE INFO > Subject: Re: Distribution List > > > Ummm... I didn't exactly promise this for the next release... > > It is "on the list" and I can see how it would be usefull, but it is hard > to tell yet when it will get to the top... > > --DLM While on the subject of next release, I cannot resist asking for more. As most mailers now support delivery receipts, could this optino be added to Pine (that is, the option to request a delivery receipt). It should just be a matter of adding one header line. Also, maybe it would be nice to allow old-growth users the ability to add their own header lines (I can see why this would be debatable). Thanks for the great work. -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 07:29:20 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA27676; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:29:20 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08883; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:51:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from cs1.bradley.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08877; Wed, 30 Mar 94 06:51:09 -0800 Received: by cs1.bradley.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28814; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:51:03 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:51:03 -0600 (CST) From: Matt Simmons Subject: Quoting problem To: Pine Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1430303733-756068430-765039063:#28782" This message is in MIME format. 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Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:11:40 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28930; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:43:45 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from turtle.mcc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28922; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:43:42 -0800 Received: from avarice.mcc.com by turtle.mcc.com (4.1/isd-master_921116_15:19) id AA28521; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:43:13 CST Received: by avarice.mcc.com (4.1/isd-other_920825_17:05) id AA06140; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:43:12 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:43:11 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Garrigues Subject: Re: ^K cut to end of line To: David Brownlee Cc: Pine-Info Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David Brownlee wrote: > Please do NOT make this part of old-growth! > > By all means make it a option, but please don't include it in > the old-growth set! > > Old-growth enables extra feature, not makes changes to the user > interface! (As I see it :) I agree with this. I also think you should make it an option because if you don't, the question will keep coming up over and over and over and over. I know some people there may be purists about what does or doesn't go into Pine, but the simple fact is that adding this as an option would eliminate an entire class of email on this mailing list, and as we all know, anything which limits the amount of email that you receive is good. (Of course, we would then ask that the same emacs-compatibility-flag also enable the meta key. ;-) Chris Chris Garrigues (MIME capable) cwg@mcc.com Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation +1 512 338 3328 3500 West Balcones Center Drive Fax +1 512 338 3838 Austin, TX 78759-6509 USA From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 08:15:06 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA28921; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:15:06 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09742; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:46:04 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from tamarin.bath.ac.uk by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09699; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:42:54 -0800 Received: from midge.bath.ac.uk by tamarin.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09471-0@tamarin.bath.ac.uk>; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:37:23 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:37:23 +0100 (BST) From: Andy Powell Reply-To: Andy Powell Subject: re: MMDF format mailboxes To: Mark Crispin Cc: Pine-Info Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Nov 1993, Mark Crispin wrote: > In order to enable MMDF support, you need to add a mail_link(&mmdfdriver) call > in pine.c. You will probably have to do some other hacking as well; at the > present time the bezerkdriver and the mmdfdriver do not tolerate each other > very well. Also, it isn't clear how well the mmdfdriver actually works; it is > contributed code. > > I have recently spent a great deal of effort with c-client (it's now available > with IMAP toolkit 3.2, mail/imap-3.2.tar.Z on ftp.cac.washington.edu) to get > mmdfdriver and bezerkdriver to co-exist and a number of other highly desirable > internal improvements. This doesn't answer whether or not the mmdfdriver > actually works (I don't know, not having an MMDF system to play with), but it > should make experimentation with MMDF format much easier. I've finally got round to playing with Pine in an MMDF environment again. Some good news some bad news. First the good news... I've hacked pine/send.c so that it calls the MMDF submit library routines directly (rather than having to interface via the MMDF sendmail replacement or over an SMTP connection). This allows for immediate reporting of address errors. The code is currently being tested here but I hope to get something to you soon, hopefully with the aim of getting it incorporated into a future release? (The code changes are fairly small and #ifdef in cleanly). Now the bad news... I can't get the mmdf driver to work at all on our MMDF mailboxes. Is anyone using these drivers with MMDF update 43 (or any other version for that matter)? The VALID macro (from mmdf.h) is looking for a mailbox with messages separated by 4 CTRL-A's, then a newline, then a line like "From blah blah blah". Our mailboxes here don't look like that :-(. They just have the 4 CTRL-A's followed by a newline - then you go straight into the message. I've tried making the VALID macro much simpler (i.e it just checks for "\001\001\001\001\n") but unfortunately routines like mmdf_parse() appear to want to do things with that non-existant From line :-(. I think I need some explanation of how the "From " line is being used and whether mmdf driver routines can be written that don't rely on having such a line at the start of each message. Do any of the other drivers not rely on such a line? BTW, I've been working with the c-client libraries from imap-3.3. You should note that both the mmdf and bezerk drivers include (different) definitions of the VALID macro. This may account for the difficulties in trying to use both drivers together? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Andy. -- BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK Voice: +44 225 826485 A.Powell@bath.ac.uk Fax: +44 225 826176 From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 08:21:30 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29084; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:21:30 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09893; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:55:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms2.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09887; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:55:10 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA03043; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:54:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 07:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: David Brownlee Cc: Pine-Info Maillist Subject: Re: ^K cut to end of line In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It would not be part of the old-growth macro set of features; it would be a separate feature. This is a personal preference issue that would not be universally welcomed even by power users. -teg p.s. for those who have suggested that one simply hit return first... this will not work in the header. That's the one place you can't simulate the emacs-style behavior via ^M^K. On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David Brownlee wrote: > Please do NOT make this part of old-growth! > > By all means make it a option, but please don't include it in > the old-growth set! > > Old-growth enables extra feature, not makes changes to the user > interface! (As I see it :) > > David > > > D.K.Brownlee@city.ac.uk. Network Analyst. Postmaster. Hostmaster. > <_.-^-._> Telephone: (+44) 71 477 8000 Ext:3757. <_.-^-._> > Snailmail:E308, City University, Northampton Sq, Islington, London EC1V 0HB. > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 08:26:29 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29244; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:26:29 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09815; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:51:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09805; Wed, 30 Mar 94 07:51:47 -0800 Received: by poseidon.ifctr.mi.cnr.it (5.65/1.34) id AA12926; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 17:55:38 +0200 Organization: Istituto di Fisica Cosmica e Tecnologie Relative Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 17:55:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lucio Chiappetti Subject: Help with PC-pine authentication To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu Cc: Dario Bottini Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We need some help with PC-Pine, which we intend to install on our PCs. We are already using Pine on Unix (me personally since 3.05, and now it's becoming the default mailer), and have an impad server on one of the Suns, which we manage to access from the other workstations. We have now done our first installation on a PC (with FTP Inc. PC-TCP) and have problems accessing the remote imapd inbox (Pine looks all right, in fact it can SEND mail without problems). Our inetd.conf looks like : # # for PINE imapd # imap stream tcp nowait root /data1/pine/imapd-bin.sun imapd In addition in /etc we have a link lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 25 Mar 24 16:13 rimapd -> /data1/pine/imapd-bin.sun This link was essential to have access to remote folder working on Unix, but, as the doc says, is not what is needed for PCs. What we have done on the PC is : have a PINERC file with all the same settings as on Unix (pine.conf), plus putting a user-id equal to the Unix username. The inbox-path is {helios.ifctr.mi.cnr.it}INBOX We get error : can't connect to helios.ifctr.mi.cnr.it,143 Refused (61) (It's imapd, because we can e.g. telnet to host helios, or send mail via smtp-server kronos). By the way mail outgoing from the PC says "UNauthenticated mail". I have read the documentation, found mentions of a password, and of a file PINE.PWD (but not of its content), but we are NEVER prompted any password (and the Setup Newpassword option is n/a to PCs). We tried some fudges with .rhosts and hosts.equiv, but with no success. Could you provide us any clue ? I'm sending this in reply to a colleague which is looking after the PC business (I'm on the Unix end). Please reply in cc: to him too, since I'm away tomorrow. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 08:38:05 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29568; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:38:05 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10025; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:03:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10019; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:03:56 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05611; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:03:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Keith Christopher Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Browsing while creating Pine distribution lists In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Keith, The problem is that (Unix) Pine is constrained to deal with ascii, and backtab is not an ascii character, nor does it seem to have a universal definition via a sequence of characters (ala arrow keys.) Also, unless a key is *very* widely available on keyboards, trying to add support for it leads to serious support headaches for us. If this impression is incorrect, please let us know, and we can look at the issue again. -teg (pretending to be David...) On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Keith Christopher wrote: > David, > I understand about not having a backtab option to tab back through > incoming folders, however how about not forcing a backtab on people let > them choose at compile time ? Basically, > > How about adding the backtab as a makefile option ? > > > > ,,, > (o o) > +----------------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------------------------------------+ > | Keith Christopher | Unix System Adminstrator | > | Welch Medical Library | Part Time SuperHero | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 08:43:30 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29740; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:43:30 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29395; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:06:37 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA29385; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:06:25 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA05717; Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:06:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:06:04 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: James Dryfoos Cc: David L Miller , Sharon Deng , PINE INFO Subject: Re: Distribution List (actually, a new request) In-Reply-To: <9403300906.AA20507@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > While on the subject of next release, I cannot resist asking for more. > As most mailers now support delivery receipts, could this optino be added > to Pine (that is, the option to request a delivery receipt). It should > just be a matter of adding one header line. Also, maybe it would be nice > to allow old-growth users the ability to add their own header lines (I > can see why this would be debatable). It is indeed debatable, but we've pretty much caved in on trying to hold the line on user-defined headers. Details later, after we are further along with the new code... -teg From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 09:43:12 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02241; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:43:12 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00709; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:03:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA00703; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:03:47 -0800 Received: from modem66.ucdavis.edu by bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (8.6.8/UCD2.50) id IAA29891; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:44:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:44:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199403301644.IAA29891@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez006683@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu From: ddtodd@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) Subject: Yet another platform support request X-Mailer: Hi There, Any hope of seeing pine for .... MSWindows? I love pine but I am now running through a slip account in Windows so I am stuck with PCEudora for now. I miss some of the functionality of pine but I really like using a graphical editor. PCPine is not going to work with winsock, or is it? Anyway, If someone out htere knows of a good windows mail prog. until Pine is available (that will be a long wait). Let me know. thanks, Dan ============================================================================ ====== Dan Todd ddtodd@ucdavis.edu kc6uud@ke6lw.#nocal.ca.us.na 1750 Hanover #102 Davis, CA 95616 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Clinton and Al Gore know that the Constitution guarantees an individuals basic right to keep and bear arms, and they will uphold that right. - Whitehouse Position Paper ============================================================================ ====== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 10:39:28 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04059; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:39:28 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12637; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:59:36 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from peach.wustl.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12631; Wed, 30 Mar 94 09:59:34 -0800 Received: by peach.wustl.edu (NX5.67c/NeXT-3.0-SLT/GHC) id AA02043; Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:00:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:58:39 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Lawrence Kornbluh Subject: Re: Delivery Receipts To: James Dryfoos Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: <9403300906.AA20507@LL.MIT.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > While on the subject of next release, I cannot resist asking for more. > As most mailers now support delivery receipts, could this optino be added > to Pine (that is, the option to request a delivery receipt). It should > just be a matter of adding one header line. I would like to second this request. For important e-mail, one likes to know that it arrives. Mark Kornbluh From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 10:40:33 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04107; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:40:33 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02275; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:09:38 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA02265; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:09:35 -0800 Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:09:33 CST Received: by ellis.uchicago.edu (4.1/UCCO-1.0A) id AA18081; Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:09:31 CST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:09:30 -0600 (CST) From: Ippokraths Karakasoglou Subject: NOMAIL???? To: Pine Lista Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can i set myself to NOMAIL?? Thanx. Ippokraths From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 10:52:03 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA04415; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:52:03 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13283; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:28:51 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Received: from LL.MIT.EDU by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13277; Wed, 30 Mar 94 10:28:44 -0800 Received: by ll.mit.edu (4.1/LL-1.3) id AA28348; Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:20:59 EST Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:20:58 -0500 From: James Dryfoos Subject: Re: Delivery Receipts To: Mark Lawrence Kornbluh Cc: PINE INFO In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9403301320.AA04990@LL.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Mark Lawrence Kornbluh wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:58:39 -0600 (CST) > From: Mark Lawrence Kornbluh > To: James Dryfoos > Cc: PINE INFO > Subject: Re: Delivery Receipts > > On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, James Dryfoos wrote: > > While on the subject of next release, I cannot resist asking for more. > > As most mailers now support delivery receipts, could this optino be added > > to Pine (that is, the option to request a delivery receipt). It should > > just be a matter of adding one header line. > I would like to second this request. For important e-mail, one likes to > know that it arrives. > Mark Kornbluh > I would like to remark that the reception of a requested delivery receipt does not mean the mail reached its destination. Picture an SMTP gateway that receives the SMTP mail and then forwards it to its actual destination -- could be a cc:Mail system ... The receipt would be sent out from the SMTP gateway sysytem which does not mean the message got to the cc:Mail mailbox. Also, there are still systems that do not generate return receipts. However, as I am the one that requested the receipt request in Pine, I do recognize that it would be a nice feature. Once you understand the system you are sending mail to, you can learn how to interpretate the receipt. -- Jim ========================================================================== James D. Dryfoos | dryfoos@ll.mit.edu MIT Lincoln Labs, Group 28 | 244 Wood Street, MailStop: C159 | (617) 981-2008 - office Lexington, MA 02173, Earth | (617) 981-0782 - fax ========================================================================== From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 15:15:24 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA12875; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:15:24 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19008; Wed, 30 Mar 94 14:47:54 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19002; Wed, 30 Mar 94 14:47:52 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19817; Wed, 30 Mar 94 14:47:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 14:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Wim Holemans Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: mime extentions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wim, The next release of Pine will include metamail support, though not quite everything in mailcap is currently supported. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Wim Holemans wrote: > What are the plans/possiblities to include decoding of other MIME types such > as external in pine ? Is there a way to add the metamail program to pine for > MIME types that are not automatically decoded ? > > > Thanks, > > W. Holemans > holemans@uia.ac.be > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 15:27:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13338; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:27:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19355; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:03:27 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19349; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:03:25 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20112; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:03:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Matt Simmons Cc: Pine Mailing List Subject: Re: Quoting problem In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1271300243-765068601=:18749" Content-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1271300243-765068601=:18749 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Matt, The source of the problem here is the "Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary" header. This is on the list for further investigation. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Matt Simmons wrote: > Attached is a message that does not get quoted when I reply to it. The > note above my text is replaced by the note saying on blah blah Olaf said > , followed by my text quoted just like it is in his letter, and no > quoting for his message. > > zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu Matt Simmons Bradley University, Peoria, IL > Found in the BU Scout Personals: > "Jane--I don't want to be alone again for Valentine's Day. I want to work > this out. I was just hurt that you would sleep with my best friend ... > repeatedly ... in my bed. Actually, never mind. Go to hell. 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Atchity" Reply-To: Greg Atchity Subject: Question about default collection To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <199403301644.IAA29891@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How can I set the initial folder for the 'Goto' command to be something other than my first folder collection in 'folder-collections'? I'd MUCH rather it was the Incoming folder collection instead. I've recently reorganized my mail directory into a couple subdirectories in the hopes of getting a bit more organized. So I created an Incoming directory which contains all my filtered incoming mail files, an Archives which contains mail I got a while back but still want to hang onto for a bit, and Sent which contains my sent mail. My .pinerc looks something like this: inbox-path=Mail/Incoming/atchity incoming-folders=friends Mail/Incoming/friends, work Mail/Incoming/work folder-collections=Sent Mail/Sent/[], Archives Mail/Archive/[] When I fire up pine, I see folder 'Mail/Incoming/atchity' as I want. HOWEVER, I then want to type 'g' (for GOTO), then 'work', and see my work-related mail. However, it goes like this instead: GOTO folder in : work [No such file or directory: Mail/Sent/work] --- Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 15:46:22 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14041; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:46:22 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09322; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:17:58 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA09316; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:17:55 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20353; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:17:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:17:47 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Lucio Chiappetti Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu, pine-bugs@cac.washington.edu, Dario Bottini Subject: Re: Help with PC-pine authentication In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lucio, The imapd configuration on your server (helios) is not correct. A simple test is to telnet to port 143 on the server, e.g. telnet helios.ifctr.mi.cnr.it 143 There are variations between different versions of Unix in the specific configuration of inetd, so it is hard to give specific advice without more information. Thanks for the report! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > We need some help with PC-Pine, which we intend to install on our PCs. > We are already using Pine on Unix (me personally since 3.05, and now > it's becoming the default mailer), and have an impad server on one of > the Suns, which we manage to access from the other workstations. > > We have now done our first installation on a PC (with FTP Inc. PC-TCP) > and have problems accessing the remote imapd inbox (Pine looks all right, > in fact it can SEND mail without problems). > > Our inetd.conf looks like : > > # > # for PINE imapd > # > imap stream tcp nowait root /data1/pine/imapd-bin.sun imapd > > In addition in /etc we have a link > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 25 Mar 24 16:13 rimapd -> /data1/pine/imapd-bin.sun > > This link was essential to have access to remote folder working on Unix, > but, as the doc says, is not what is needed for PCs. > > What we have done on the PC is : have a PINERC file with all the same > settings as on Unix (pine.conf), plus putting a user-id equal to the > Unix username. > > The inbox-path is {helios.ifctr.mi.cnr.it}INBOX > > We get error : can't connect to helios.ifctr.mi.cnr.it,143 Refused (61) > > (It's imapd, because we can e.g. telnet to host helios, or send mail > via smtp-server kronos). By the way mail outgoing from the PC says > "UNauthenticated mail". > > I have read the documentation, found mentions of a password, and of > a file PINE.PWD (but not of its content), but we are NEVER prompted > any password (and the Setup Newpassword option is n/a to PCs). > > We tried some fudges with .rhosts and hosts.equiv, but with no success. > Could you provide us any clue ? > > I'm sending this in reply to a colleague which is looking after the > PC business (I'm on the Unix end). Please reply in cc: to him too, since > I'm away tomorrow. > Thanks. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > A member of G.ASS : Group for Astronomical Software Support > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lucio Chiappetti - IFCTR/CNR | Ma te' vugl' da' quost avis a ti' Orsign > via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano | Buttet rabios intant te se' pisnign > Internet: LUCIO@IFCTR.MI.CNR.IT | > Decnet: IFCTR::LUCIO | (Rabisch, II 46, 119-120) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 15:55:18 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14358; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:55:18 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19981; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:30:20 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19975; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:30:18 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20660; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:30:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Daniel D. Todd" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Yet another platform support request In-Reply-To: <199403301644.IAA29891@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dan, We currently have someone working on a winsock version of Pine. For now it will look just like PC-Pine and will not have any GUI. We are hoping to have something available this summer. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Daniel D. Todd wrote: > Hi There, > > Any hope of seeing pine for .... MSWindows? I love pine but I am now > running through a slip account in Windows so I am stuck with PCEudora for > now. I miss some of the functionality of pine but I really like using a > graphical editor. PCPine is not going to work with winsock, or is it? > > Anyway, If someone out htere knows of a good windows mail prog. until Pine > is available (that will be a long wait). Let me know. > > > thanks, > Dan > ============================================================================ > ====== > Dan Todd ddtodd@ucdavis.edu kc6uud@ke6lw.#nocal.ca.us.na > 1750 Hanover #102 Davis, CA 95616 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Clinton and Al Gore know that the Constitution guarantees an > individuals basic right to keep > and bear arms, and they will uphold that right. - Whitehouse Position Paper > > ============================================================================ > ====== > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 16:02:07 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14662; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:02:07 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20341; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:44:05 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20329; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:43:53 -0800 Received: by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (4.1/1.34) id AA20090; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:45:59 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: Debbi Patton Subject: windows To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In all this discussion I do not see any mention of a pine for Windows. Is there one? Debbi Patton debbip@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 16:27:01 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15491; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:27:01 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20563; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:54:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20553; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:53:41 -0800 Received: by nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (4.1/1.34) id AA20136; Wed, 30 Mar 94 15:55:23 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: Debbi Patton Subject: imap To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We do not have an imap server. We cannot use PC Pine. Any suggestions besides the imap server? Debbi Patton debbip@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 16:32:43 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15732; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:32:43 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21033; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:13:10 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21027; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:13:09 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21596; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:12:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Debbi Patton Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: windows In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Debbi, We are currently working on a winsock-compatible version of Pine. We are hoping to have something available for testing this summer. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Debbi Patton wrote: > In all this discussion I do not see any mention of a pine for Windows. Is > there one? > > Debbi Patton > debbip@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 16:33:56 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA15807; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:33:56 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20961; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:11:19 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20955; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:11:16 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21527; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:11:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Elmar Kurgpold Cc: Pine Info Subject: Re: Filter/procmail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Elmar, All well and good. Unfortunately, from the requests I have seen for a "filter" capability (including many to pine-bugs), it is apparent that the people who are requesting this capability are the ones who would never be able to figure out procmail. Even something like "filter" would require a fair amount of hand-holding if it were routinely installed as part of the Pine distribution. It would be good to have something like you suggest in the yet-to-be-written Pine FAQ though. Would you be willing to flush out your example section for possible inclusion? Thanks for the suggestion! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > Perhaps I shouldn't jump into this without first having tried filter and > deliver, and whatever else may have been suggested. But I lean towards > procmail because it is so powerful, and as at least one person mentioned, > safe to use in many different mail formats and systems. However, it can > be somewhat cryptic, but whether this is bad or good I think is subject to > debate. What are sys-admins for, anyways? You'll probably need one to > install the software to begin with. Besides, if the user wants to filter > mail into different folders, then chances are that she or he is not a true > novice. And if she or he is a true novice (this happened to me!) then > that person really should have help from a sys-admin. > > Even though I use procmail and recommend it, I don't think that the Pine > team should really be involved. Frankly, I wouldn't wish the extra hassle > on them because I'd like to see them dedicate that time to Pine itself. > But since the range of Pine users is so wide, with so many different > levels of expertise and opinions (wow!), I think it would be best to just > make a few suggestions for filtering software and tell where to find the > source code. I know that elm includes "filter", but it just doesn't seem > right for Pine to follow suit. We've all heard the discussions about > adding too many features to Pine... besides, the source code is big enough > as it is. :-) > > What I might do is include a page in the docs (stick it way in the back) > about filtering software, perhaps with a ***brief*** explanation of the > three (or so) top packages. I might even describe how to filter incoming > messages from a particular address to a particular folder, and then tell > where to look for more information. For example: > > Here is how to filter mail from the Pine Info group into another > folder using procmail. Create a .procmailrc file in your home > directory with the following lines: > > # Please check if all the paths in PATH are reachable, remove the > # ones that are not. > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/local/bin > MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists > :0: > * ^From.*owner-pine-info > pine-info # will be saved to $HOME/mail/pine-info > > For more information, see the man page on procmailrc(5), ask your > system administrator, or send mail to procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de. > > There now, that wasn't too painful, was it? Yes, I know, it's a little > more involved than all that, but you get the idea. The point is I think > we have enough experienced users/administrators who would be willing to > provide this type of information that the Pine Team could then incorporate > into the documentation. > > Later! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | > | University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 | > | The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 | > | University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, | > | Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 16:40:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16045; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:40:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10821; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:15:01 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from usc.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10811; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:14:58 -0800 Received: from Law.USC.EDU by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA00382; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:14:48 PST Received: from hal.Law.USC.EDU by Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21023; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:14:47 PST Received: by hal.Law.USC.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19441; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:14:47 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: Elmar Kurgpold Subject: Re: Filter/procmail To: David L Miller Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That is pretty much my view of things. Putting it in a FAQ is a Good Idea! Yes, I'd be glad to contribute, just let me know! Elmar On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, David L Miller wrote: > > Elmar, > > All well and good. Unfortunately, from the requests I have seen for a > "filter" capability (including many to pine-bugs), it is apparent that > the people who are requesting this capability are the ones who would > never be able to figure out procmail. Even something like "filter" would > require a fair amount of hand-holding if it were routinely installed as > part of the Pine distribution. > > It would be good to have something like you suggest in the yet-to-be-written > Pine FAQ though. Would you be willing to flush out your example section for > possible inclusion? > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > --DLM > > |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 > |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) > University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 > 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA > > On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Elmar Kurgpold wrote: > > > Perhaps I shouldn't jump into this without first having tried filter and > > deliver, and whatever else may have been suggested. But I lean towards > > procmail because it is so powerful, and as at least one person mentioned, > > safe to use in many different mail formats and systems. However, it can > > be somewhat cryptic, but whether this is bad or good I think is subject to > > debate. What are sys-admins for, anyways? You'll probably need one to > > install the software to begin with. Besides, if the user wants to filter > > mail into different folders, then chances are that she or he is not a true > > novice. And if she or he is a true novice (this happened to me!) then > > that person really should have help from a sys-admin. > > > > Even though I use procmail and recommend it, I don't think that the Pine > > team should really be involved. Frankly, I wouldn't wish the extra hassle > > on them because I'd like to see them dedicate that time to Pine itself. > > But since the range of Pine users is so wide, with so many different > > levels of expertise and opinions (wow!), I think it would be best to just > > make a few suggestions for filtering software and tell where to find the > > source code. I know that elm includes "filter", but it just doesn't seem > > right for Pine to follow suit. We've all heard the discussions about > > adding too many features to Pine... besides, the source code is big enough > > as it is. :-) > > > > What I might do is include a page in the docs (stick it way in the back) > > about filtering software, perhaps with a ***brief*** explanation of the > > three (or so) top packages. I might even describe how to filter incoming > > messages from a particular address to a particular folder, and then tell > > where to look for more information. For example: > > > > Here is how to filter mail from the Pine Info group into another > > folder using procmail. Create a .procmailrc file in your home > > directory with the following lines: > > > > # Please check if all the paths in PATH are reachable, remove the > > # ones that are not. > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/local/bin > > MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists > > :0: > > * ^From.*owner-pine-info > > pine-info # will be saved to $HOME/mail/pine-info > > > > For more information, see the man page on procmailrc(5), ask your > > system administrator, or send mail to procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de. > > > > There now, that wasn't too painful, was it? Yes, I know, it's a little > > more involved than all that, but you get the idea. The point is I think > > we have enough experienced users/administrators who would be willing to > > provide this type of information that the Pine Team could then incorporate > > into the documentation. > > > > Later! > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | Elmar Kurgpold, Network Administrator | EMAIL: ekurgpol@Law.USC.EDU | > > | University of Southern California | VOICE: (213) 740-2571 | > > | The Law Center | FAX: (213) 740-5502 | > > | University Park | "I got the boogie, boogie, | > > | Los Angeles, CA 90089-0071 | in my socks!" (Where else?) | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 17:17:31 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA17864; Wed, 30 Mar 94 17:17:31 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21847; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:50:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21841; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:50:10 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22580; Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:49:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: Debbi Patton Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: imap In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII PC-Pine (and the upcoming winsock port) do require IMAP. We do not have any short term plans to support PC-Pine without an IMAP server either. Sorry. |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Debbi Patton wrote: > We do not have an imap server. We cannot use PC Pine. Any suggestions > besides the imap server? > > Debbi Patton > debbip@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 17:43:23 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18440; Wed, 30 Mar 94 17:43:23 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22820; Wed, 30 Mar 94 17:27:29 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from stonewall.sph.umich.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22814; Wed, 30 Mar 94 17:27:25 -0800 Received: from pcm5134.sph.umich.edu by sph.umich.edu (5.67/2.2) id AA06171; Wed, 30 Mar 94 20:23:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 20:32:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard J. Foote" Subject: Re: Filter/procmail To: David L Miller Cc: Pine Info In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To be honest, I don't get much of a chance to read much pine-info mail due to being incredible busy at work, as well as the high volume of the list. Here at UofM, we're buying in big to the IMAP/Pine system. I'm currently working with a team very interested in setting up socket-based IMAP filters. Is anybody else working on the same? If so, I would be very interested in starting to a separate "IMAP Server protocols" list for this sort of discussion. Of particular interest to me, and many of the people I work with, are object oriented programs and various perl scripts (perl5 being the ideal, of course). Thanks. Richard Foote (rfoote@umich.edu) School of Public Health ITD/User Services Universtiy of Michigan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 19:01:52 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA19577; Wed, 30 Mar 94 19:01:52 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13907; Wed, 30 Mar 94 18:46:09 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA13901; Wed, 30 Mar 94 18:46:08 -0800 Received: by shiva2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA14784; Wed, 30 Mar 94 18:46:05 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 18:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Richard J. Foote" Cc: Pine Info , imap@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Filter/procmail In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Richard, You might want to take the IMAP discussion to the imap@cac.washington.edu discussion list. That is where you will find the real IMAP expertise. To subscribe, send a message to imap-request@cac.washington.edu. It is manually maintained so the format of the request is not important. Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Richard J. Foote wrote: > > To be honest, I don't get much of a chance to read much pine-info mail > due to being incredible busy at work, as well as the high volume of the > list. Here at UofM, we're buying in big to the IMAP/Pine system. I'm > currently working with a team very interested in setting up socket-based > IMAP filters. Is anybody else working on the same? If so, I would be very > interested in starting to a separate "IMAP Server protocols" list > for this sort of discussion. Of particular interest to me, and many of > the people I work with, are object oriented programs and various perl > scripts (perl5 being the ideal, of course). Thanks. > > Richard Foote (rfoote@umich.edu) > School of Public Health > ITD/User Services > Universtiy of Michigan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 22:17:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21855; Wed, 30 Mar 94 22:17:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16304; Wed, 30 Mar 94 21:46:02 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from soda.Berkeley.EDU by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16298; Wed, 30 Mar 94 21:46:00 -0800 Received: (hkuo@localhost) by soda.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/PHILMAIL-1.10) id VAA29814; Wed, 30 Mar 1994 21:45:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 21:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Henry @(0-0)" Subject: News server To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! Is there any way to setup two news servers if I have two servers available? Thanks!! =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Wed Mar 30 22:58:06 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA22197; Wed, 30 Mar 94 22:58:06 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16680; Wed, 30 Mar 94 22:18:08 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA16674; Wed, 30 Mar 94 22:18:06 -0800 Received: by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26727; Wed, 30 Mar 94 22:18:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: David L Miller To: "Henry @(0-0)" Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: News server In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Henry, You can set up as many News collections as you want on the news-collestions entry in your .pinerc file. Note that they will all use the same .newsrc file... Thanks for the request! --DLM |\ | |\/| David L. Miller dlm@cac.washington.edu (206) 685-6240 |/ |_ | | Software Engineer, Pine Development Team (206) 685-4045 (FAX) University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing, JE-20 4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Henry @(0-0) wrote: > > Hi! Is there any way to setup two news servers if I have two servers > available? > > > Thanks!! > > > =Henry= From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 01:33:17 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24538; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:33:17 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18864; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:11:32 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from castor.cc.utu.fi by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18858; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:11:24 -0800 Received: from indi by utu.fi id <165629-4>; Thu, 31 Mar 1994 12:11:14 +0300 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 12:11:07 +0300 From: Kari Sutela Subject: Re: When's Pine's next Release? To: David L Miller Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If the set of new features in then next pine release is not locked, yet, I'd like to make a suggestion: support for RFC 1522 (using non-ASCII characters in headers). This is something our users miss badly. /KS From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 01:55:25 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24766; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:55:25 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18990; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:23:47 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: <@helios.hertfordshire.ac.uk:C.Monaghan@hertfordshire.ac.uk> Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA18978; Thu, 31 Mar 94 01:23:41 -0800 Via: uk.ac.hertfordshire.helios; Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:22:42 +0100 Received: from altair.herts.ac.uk by helios.herts.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <24808-0@helios.herts.ac.uk>; Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:19:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:22:11 +0100 (BST) From: Colette Monaghan Original-Sender: Colette Monaghan Reply-To: Colette Monaghan Subject: pine faq (fwd) To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sir, I originally sent the following message to owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu and had a pleasant reply from David Miller who advised me to look at comp.mail.mime FAQ and to get in touch with you. I have looked at the mime FAQ but didn't really find what I was looking for. Could you possibly point me to where I might find some fairly basic information on BASE64. Also if you have received queries on Pine features (or possible lack of them!) I'd be grateful if you could pass them (and of course your answers) onto me. I attach my original message for your information *************************************** Colette Monaghan, User Services, Computer Centre, University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, Herts., AL10 9AB, United Kingdom E-mail c.monaghan@herts.ac.uk ************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:11:03 +0100 (BST) From: Colette Monaghan To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: pine faq Sir, I have managed to find some messages relating to queries about BASE64 encoding and was wondering if there was an FAQ dealing with this and other Pine related issues. I've tried searching using gopher but have had no luck. If there is such an FAQ I'd be grateful if you could let me know where it is to be found. I'm very impressed with Pine, and for my sins I'm supposed to be the expert here, but there is still an awful lot I'm not sure about. Any good pointers would be gratefully received. Yours faithfully, Colette Monaghan From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 03:44:34 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA26312; Thu, 31 Mar 94 03:44:34 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20389; Thu, 31 Mar 94 03:22:49 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA20383; Thu, 31 Mar 94 03:22:46 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA07633; Thu, 31 Mar 94 05:22:16 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09663; Thu, 31 Mar 94 19:22:04 +0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 19:22:02 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: pine faq (fwd) To: Colette Monaghan Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Colette Monaghan wrote: > Sir, > > I originally sent the following message to > owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu and had a pleasant reply from David > Miller who advised me to look at comp.mail.mime FAQ and to get in touch > with you. > > I have looked at the mime FAQ but didn't really find what I was looking for. > > Could you possibly point me to where I might find some fairly basic > information on BASE64. Also if you have received queries on Pine features > (or possible lack of them!) I'd be grateful if you could pass them (and > of course your answers) onto me. > To learn about Base64 encoding reference rfc1521 starting on page 21. It has a very good discussion. Regards, Ed P.S. As for features/lack of features/bugs in pine....this is the ongoing discussion group that you posted this message to. You should be aware that pine has no bugs....only "undocumented features". :-) :-) Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 08:32:31 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA01111; Thu, 31 Mar 94 08:32:31 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24339; Thu, 31 Mar 94 08:02:55 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from carson-oms1.u.washington.edu by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24333; Thu, 31 Mar 94 08:02:53 -0800 Received: from shiva2.cac.washington.edu by carson-oms1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA23638; Thu, 31 Mar 94 08:02:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 08:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Gray To: Greg Atchity Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Subject: Re: Question about default collection In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg, We will be looking at providing more options on what the default collection context is for GOTO. Until then, you need to press ^P before entering the folder name "work" in your example below. -teg On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, Gregory J. Atchity wrote: > How can I set the initial folder for the 'Goto' command to be something > other than my first folder collection in 'folder-collections'? I'd MUCH > rather it was the Incoming folder collection instead. > > I've recently reorganized my mail directory into a couple > subdirectories in the hopes of getting a bit more organized. > > So I created an Incoming directory which contains all my filtered > incoming mail files, an Archives which contains mail I got a while back > but still want to hang onto for a bit, and Sent which contains my sent > mail. My .pinerc looks something like this: > > inbox-path=Mail/Incoming/atchity > incoming-folders=friends Mail/Incoming/friends, > work Mail/Incoming/work > folder-collections=Sent Mail/Sent/[], > Archives Mail/Archive/[] > > When I fire up pine, I see folder 'Mail/Incoming/atchity' as I want. > HOWEVER, I then want to type 'g' (for GOTO), then 'work', and see my > work-related mail. However, it goes like this instead: > GOTO folder in : work > [No such file or directory: Mail/Sent/work] > > --- > Greg Atchity (atchity@IaState.edU and atchity@ameslab.gov) > Iowa State University and Ames Laboratory - USDOE > > > From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 18:52:43 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21955; Thu, 31 Mar 94 18:52:43 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08464; Thu, 31 Mar 94 18:35:11 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from uu3.psi.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA08458; Thu, 31 Mar 94 18:35:08 -0800 Received: from naz.edu by uu3.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08500 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 94 21:33:22 -0500 Received: by naz.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI) id AA10066; Thu, 31 Mar 94 20:16:56 EST Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 20:15:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael A. Naud " Subject: Help To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is this a pine related listserv? If so, can I get subsribed to it? Thanks, Michael A. Naud Michael A. Naud SNAIL MAIL: (716) 586-2525 ext.460 VOICE Nazareth College of Rochester (716) 248-8766 FACSIMILE 4245 East Avenue manaud@naz.edu E-MAIL Rochester, NY 14618-0950 USA "...you're Norma Desmond. You were big." Gloria Swanson to William "I am big. It's the pictures that got small." Holden in "Sunset Boulevard" From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 22:01:36 1994 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA24476; Thu, 31 Mar 94 22:01:36 -0800 Received: by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10890; Thu, 31 Mar 94 21:42:03 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from shamash.cdc.com by mx1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA10883; Thu, 31 Mar 94 21:42:00 -0800 Received: by shamash.cdc.com (4.1/SMI-4.0/CDC1.1) id AA10348; Thu, 31 Mar 94 23:40:56 CST Received: by cosmo.twntpe.cdc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA13346; Fri, 1 Apr 94 13:36:40 +0800 Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 13:36:39 +0800 (TPE) From: Ed Greshko Subject: Re: Help To: "Michael A. Naud " Cc: pine-info@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Michael A. Naud wrote: > Is this a pine related listserv? If so, can I get subsribed to it? listserv, no. Distribution List....yes. Send your request to pine-info-request@cac.washington.edu regards, Ed Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C From owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Thu Mar 31 23:04:50 1994 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu by shivams.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA25509; Thu, 31 Mar 94 23:04:50 -0800 Received: by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21246; Thu, 31 Mar 94 22:51:53 -0800 Errors-To: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Sender: owner-pine-info@cac.washington.edu Return-Path: Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by mx2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW94.3/UW-NDC Revision: 2.30 ) id AA21240; Thu, 31 Mar 94 22:51:52 -0800 Received: from insti.physics.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V4.2-15 #3281) id <01HAN6IWJCY89YE7NR@ccmail.sunysb.edu>; Fri, 1 Apr 1994 01:51:42 EST Received: by insti.physics.sunysb.edu (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ccmail.sunysb.edu:pine-info@cac.washington.edu id AA18978; Fri, 1 Apr 94 01:51:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 1994 01:51:39 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Tyurin Subject: How to customise pager in PINE 3.89? To: Pine-Info list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I posted this question in comp.mail.mime couple of days ago and got no respone, so I hope to get it here. I'd like to be able to invoke some shell scripts on some of my plain text e-mail messages. It would be ideal to for me to find a way to replace Pine's builtin text viewer with my own. How can I do this? Can I declare my own Attachment type - viewer pair? I tried to use printer option, but didn't succeed because of the weird line-by-line output. Thanks for help. -- MIME mail is welcome Active Ingredient: Eugene Tyurin http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Bio-degradable, made of 100% recycled substance. Handle with care: fragile, toxic and flammable.