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From: Derrell Lipman <derrell@vis-av.com>
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Subject: Re: Un-fixed problem #2 in 19.15-really-final
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>>>>> "  Kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:

  Kyle> I don't think the TM or VM flaw reports are relevant to
  Kyle> XEmacs.  Best to discuss those on their appropriate lists I
  Kyle> think.  If the bug/flaw is in XEmacs itself, then the package
  Kyle> author or designate can report it here.  A good idea for the
  Kyle> rest of the major packages too, probably.

As long as TM and/or VM are part of the distributed XEmacs, and we are
supposed to be beta testing them as part of the XEmacs beta testing
program, then I feel that these reports belong here.  If I had to keep
up with TM and VM and GNUS and W3 and (I could go on ad infinitum)
email lists, I wouldn't have any time for work, let alone having a
life.  I'm not even subscribed to any of those lists.

Microsoft includes Java code written by Sun in their products.  Their
beta testers and their customers don't care who wrote the stuff.
These testers and customers only know and care that it's a Microsoft
product.  Here, I (as a beta tester) and the XEmacs customers (all
those soon to be picking up the distribution) only know that it's
XEmacs that isn't working properly.

So, once per beta, I will repost problems still pending in that beta
version of the XEmacs distribution, in the hope that I won't need to
report them again with the next beta.

Derrell

