From xemacs-m  Mon Mar 17 13:00:01 1997
Received: from newman (root@newman.aventail.com [38.225.141.10])
	by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11435
	for <xemacs-beta@xemacs.org>; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:00:00 -0600 (CST)
Received: from kramer.in.aventail.com.aventail.com (wmperry@kramer [192.168.1.12]) by newman (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01485; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:57:27 -0800
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:57:27 -0800
Message-Id: <199703171857.KAA01485@newman>
From: "William M. Perry" <wmperry@aventail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
To: Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch>
Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: Some gratuitous rantings about tm
In-Reply-To: <bywwr68ibw.fsf@midget.math.ethz.ch>
References: <byhgigf9lh.fsf@math.ethz.ch>
	<m2u3manc49.fsf@altair.xemacs.org>
	<bywwr68ibw.fsf@midget.math.ethz.ch>
Errors-to: wmperry@aventail.com
Reply-to: wmperry@aventail.com
X-Face: O~Rn;(l][/-o1sALg4A@xpE:9-"'IR[%;,,!m7</SYF`{vYQ(&RI1&EiH[FvT;J}@f!4kfz
 x_!Y#=y{Uuj9GvUi=cPuajQ(Z42R[wE@{G,sn$qGr5g/wnb*"*ktI+,CD}1Z'wxrM2ag-r0p5I6\nA
 [WJopW_J.WY;

Jan Vroonhof writes:
[...]
>> I've gotten from Kyle, VM also has the ability to deal with sending MIME
>> attachments properly.  This is a matter of education and the sooner we
>> all become familiar with the technology and adept at it, the better.
>> The code is there folks.
>
>I have seen VM's mime code at work now because a colleage uses VM. If Kyle
>had just added this nice code to tm we wouldn't have the problem I am
>ranting about. Why is there a vm-mime.el anyway?

  Because tm is large, not intuitive to set up, and relies on external
files too much.

  There needs to be _ONE_ MIME encoder/decoder that is standard across
Emacsen, so that VM, GNUS, W3, and whoever else wants to can use it.  This
is the case for quite a few things like this.

  The one thing that drives me batty about everyone else's MIME support is
you went through all that trouble to support MIME, why didn't you support
MAILCAP FILES?!?! :)  We have a standard way of sending and receiving these
nice little gifs and images, _AND_ a quasi-standard for handling how to
pass them to external viewers!

-Bill P.

