From xemacs-m  Tue Sep  2 02:38:19 1997
Received: from ns.jsys.co.jp (ns.jsys.co.jp [202.33.240.82])
	by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20871
	for <xemacs-beta@xemacs.org>; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 02:38:17 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from cosmos.jsys.co.jp (cosmos.jsys.co.jp [172.31.80.5])
	by ns.jsys.co.jp (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26511;
	Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:23:03 +0900 (JST)
Received: from skywalk.jsys.co.jp (j-04110.jsys.co.jp [172.31.49.72])
	by cosmos.jsys.co.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7/NOTES) with ESMTP id QAA14876;
	Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:23:02 +0900 (JST)
Received: (from ienaga@localhost) by skywalk.jsys.co.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl2) id QAA05529; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:22:18 +0900 (JST)
To: Jens-Ulrik Holger Petersen <petersen@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Cc: XEmacs Beta List <xemacs-beta@xemacs.org>,
        SKK List <skk@sato.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Subject: Re: japanese in the modeline (eg skk)
References: <lbn2lww7wu.fsf@orion.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108)
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
 boundary="Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: Kazuyuki IENAGA <ienaga@jsys.co.jp>
Date: 02 Sep 1997 16:22:17 +0900
In-Reply-To: Jens-Ulrik Holger Petersen's message of "02 Sep 1997 15:23:45 +0900"
Message-ID: <rysk9h089jq.fsf@skywalk.jsys.co.jp>
Lines: 162
X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.65/XEmacs 20.3(beta18) - "Bratislava"
X-Face:  9{'tf33,11#K2A'RDL?p:oEk{~%v;iFL63&]_`FnV~q9]UoqU:"Z*;!l8*yw(91jLdj'8ca
 ~kD1b`lzQ>o[fU=>6g(Er\.fiQPm[~<w?Is+rkeQnV9B~6|>`*Nw1,kCrfo(IH??{i~'F


--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

What kind of plathome and X server are you using?
Not Sun's?  O.K. go ahead.

Jens-Ulrik Holger Petersen <petersen@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp> writes:

> [1  <text/plain; US-ASCII (7bit)>]
> I don't know if this is a well-known problem with XEmacs-20.  I
> noticed this a long time ago, but didn't bother to report it until
> now.
> 
> In XEmacs-20.3-beta18, when I go into skk (a Japanese input system for
> Emacs; I am using skk-10.34k):
> 
>    M-x skk-mode RET
> 
> two Japanese hiragana characters (together pronounced "kana") appear
> in the modeline of the buffer to indicate the skk (minor) input mode.
> 
> However the problem is that the modeline is not high enough to display
> them properly.  There is a similar problem with the minibuffer and
> echo-area: when Japanese text is input or output, the buttom part of
> the glyphs is not visible.
>
> Probably this problem is not particular skk related, it is just that
> skk is the only package I use under XEmacs that puts Japanese in the
> modeline and minibuffer/echo area.

Yes, it's not skk related problem, but of your text font.
(I do not (yet) have skk and running Wnn for input method)

If I use the default setting in lisp/mule/mule-x-init.el on my FreeBSD 
box, I'll get the same result.
And I also found that the default setting makes good representation
with Sun's CDE/OpenWindows X server.

--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1
Content-Type: image/gif
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="xsnap-ienaga.gif"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII


> If I redisplay (with "C-l") the top the "kana" text that appears on
> the buffer above the modeline and on its edge disappears.

If you `eval' the following lines, you'll get the same result of me:

;; Martin mentioned me this:
;; (set-face-font 'default "-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-*")
;; The other way here:
(set-face-font 'default ;; face
	       '(
		 "-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-*" ;; font
		 )
	       'global ;; locale
	       '(mule-fonts) ;; tag-set
	       'prepend) ;; how-to-add

Like this:

--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1
Content-Type: image/gif
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="xsnap-ienaga.gif"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

-- 
Kazz

--Multipart_Tue_Sep__2_16:22:17_1997-1--

