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From: Kyle Jones <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs 20.3-beta12 "Helsinki" is released
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Hrvoje Niksic writes:
 > wmperry@aventail.com (William M. Perry) writes:
 > 
 > > > In fact, if I were to put the definition in my .emacs, I'd probably
 > > > choose the exact values RMS put in there, i.e. disabling of minibuffer
 > > > history errors, buffer-read-only, buffer-movement and such.
 > > 
 > > if you have debug-on-error set, you should get the errors.  Period.
 > 
 > You do get the errors.  The dubious thing is whether you want the
 > debugger. :-)

Yes, I want the debugger.  Two recent VM bugs were heralded by
buffer-read-only and end-of-buffer being signaled at strange
times.  Much to my surprise I found that both of these are in the
current default value of debug-ignored-errors, which explained
why the way that I'd been telling users to get backtraces didn't
work.

 > I mean, why is `debug-ignored-errors' such of annoyance to you
 > all of a sudden?  It's been in GNU Emacs for more than a year
 > (if not much more), and in XEmacs for some time, too.

I like to hold things inside and then fly into a towering rage
when the topic is finally mentioned.  Righteous fire and all
that. :)

More seriously, the feature was only recently added to XEmacs.
I don't care much about new features, so the consequences of it
rolled right past me.  And I pay almost no attention to FSF
Emacs.

